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Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: building 5.1 on HP-UX 
We're trying to build the latest Andrew release for hp700_ux805 under
AFS 3.1.  
The HP-UX link editor reports the following error, when attempting to
run "makedo" on atk/basics/common/path.o: 
> ld: DP-Relative Code in file /usr/afsws/lib/afs/libsys.a(rmtsysc.o) -
> Shared Library must be Position-Independent 
This seems an odd error, as "libsys.a" is not a shared library. 
Previously, we encountered other build problems involving an AFS header
file (<netinet/in.h>) whose inclusion seemed to be missing from several
source files in andrew/overhead. 
Has anyone successfully compiled Andrew 5.1 on HP-UX with AFS defined? 
Thanks for any help, 
-Bob 

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At the risk of torching up another fire storm:  Isn't it about time we
removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? 
Does anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? 
I know that there used to be a problem with sending mail if one of the
AFS file servers in your MSPATH went down. 
In the interest of making porting easier, and making the system simpler
and thereby easier to maintain, could we investigate removing all the
AFS_ENV code? 
-wdc 

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If there is an FAQ for this group, could someone please send it to me? 
Thanks. 

			-AJS 
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03:31:54 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com  (Zalman Stern)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: AFS dependencies
in ez (Was:  building 5.1 on HP-UX) Message-Id:
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In article <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill 
Cattey) writes: > At the risk of torching up another fire storm:  Isn't
it about time > we removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? > > Does
anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? 
1) File saving and restoring code calls vclose for final saves (not 
checkpoints) to ensure that the file really made it to the server. 
2) The code that handles '?' at a filename completion prompt appeneds a 
slash ('/') to names depending on the least significant bit of the inode
 number. This is a gross ugly performance hack that made a lot of
difference  in user satisfaction. 
3) The error messages that come up on an error return from a file system
 call were written with AFS in mind. 
4) Ez checks the error return from close. 
1 and 2 won't work without AFS. (And if I recall were #ifdef'ed 
appropriately from day one.) 3 is a user interface anomaly ("What's a
file  server?") and 4 is good programming practice no matter what. I
carefully  avoided building in any knowledge about access control lists
for example.  (Using "access" where needed.) It would be diffcult to do
that for DCE since  files can have ACL's. This corresponds to ez as it
was originally written.  Things have probably changed. My memory is also
far from infallible. -- Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962
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Several respondents to my previous post about the Andrew Consortium
newsletter have raised questions which point out other ways to read the
news: 
on AFS, the newsletter is at
	/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d 
To interpret the .d file, you should read it with ez, the Andrew object
editor.  For other versions see .../newsletters/ASCII/92Sept.ascii and
.../newsletters/PostScript/92Sept.ps 
Best of all, you can read the Andrew version via the remote demo
service.  To get the service started, 	finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu 		or
	finger help@128.2.30.51 and follow directions.  After the service is
running and displays its initial window, click on the "ez" button to get
the editor.  Then type control-X-control-V and answer the prompt with
the file name:
	/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d 
Have fun reading the news. 
Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium 

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(Bill Marshall) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Subject:
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I used Andrew this summer at IBM Rochester (to anyone in Rochester: nice
setup!) so now I am trying to run Andrew from an HP750. It runs fine,
but I have a monochrome X-terminal and things are hard to read to ez.
(The background is shaded or the text is) 
I have read through help on preferences and ez, but I can't get the
write items in my .preferences file. Here is what I have: 
ez.background: 			white ez.foreground: 			black *.BackgroundColor:
		white *.ForegroundColor: 		black AMShome:cs.iastate.edu 
Thanks, Bill 
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In-Reply-To: <marshall.718315579@stimpy.cs.iastate.edu> References:
<marshall.718315579@stimpy.cs.iastate.edu> 
For whatever reason, a black background setting can cause Andrew display
problems on some black & white monitors.  We have similar problems with
a b&w high resolution HP monitor, and with Graphon X-terminals. 
To work around the problem, try a shaded background, like 
	xterm -fg white -bg darkslategrey 

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.de!fhg!ise.fhg.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU 
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Deutschland Subject: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id:
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I'm running ATK on Sparcstations under Openwindows 3 as well as X11 R5.
My problem is that I occasionally get eternally long delays (up to 5
seconds :-) when viewing formatted text, such as in the help files. The
lags seem to come at font changes in the text. 
I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then I
noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been
created and are in the font path. 
Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do
about it? 
Thanks. 
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> I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then > I
noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been
created and are in the font path. 
The delays you are noticing are caused when a font is called for that is
not already in the Xserver.  Once loaded the delay should cease -- for
that particular font-family/size combination.  Let me know if you have a
repeatable case where this delay happens over and over for the same
font. 
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> Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can
do about it? 
The most likely sources for delay are the network, disk access, and of
course scaling.  There is basically nothing which can be done short of
using fewer different fonts.  I suppose it might be useful to have a
client connect to the server and allocate commonly used fonts to
minimize the need to reload fonts from disk. 
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The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures)
has reached the point where it needs a name.  
What name do you like: 
vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, draft, odraw,
g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, <write-in vote>, <not voting, text is
enough for me>, <not voting, I'll use it enough to remember any name> 
The decision of the judges is final.  Duplicate prizes will be awarded
in case of ties.  
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Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 7-Oct-92 Re: Newsletter from
Andrew .. Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (451) 
> The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures)
> has reached the point where it needs a name.  
> What name do you like: 
> vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, > draft,
odraw, g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, 
Since I'm responsible for the program, I believe I'll explain some of
these.... 
Vel: This is the current name. It was chosen because the editor is
intended to replace Zip. And, see, using velcro is very similar to using
a zip, except that velcro is cheaper, easier to use, never breaks or
jams.... :-) 
Gecko: Geckos are cute. (Well, not very.) 
Andraw: Like MacDraw, only without the Mac. 
Figure: From the same people who brought you inset names like Text,
Raster, Chart, Table, Footnote...  On the other hand, every time you
started it up, you could say "Go Figure!" 
Lined: Well, you can edit lines with it. Among other things. 
Elvis: Your guess is as good as mine. 
Adraw: See Andraw. 
Drawl: See Adraw. (Only this is cornier.) 
Draft: A drafting table? I dunno. 
Odraw: See Drawl. 
G-Ode: Graphic Object Drawing Editor. Advantages: sounds cool.
Disadvantages: we can't use it, because the hyphen will crash all of our
preprocessors and compilers. 
Ode: Object Drawing Editor. Like G-Ode, but without either the
advantages or disadvantages. 
Yahoo: When Rob sent me his list of suggestions, the subject line was "Yahoo". 
AAAHCHHH: This would be the very first program name that you *cannot*
say quietly; you *must* scream it, or you're pronouncing it wrong. This
would be great fun at conferences, demos, etc. Imagine Fred Hansen
standing up and saying "We are proud to announce our new drawing editor
AAAHCHHH!!!!" (You would all have to do it too, of course.) 
Consider these factors well, before you choose a name (or make up your own.) 
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I've finaly managed to build Andrew under AIX 3.2 by making some slight
modifications to config/rs_aix31/* (commenting #undef ANSI_C_SOURCE and
some other slight mofifications). 
Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like they cannot
find the approriate fonts - everything is always displayed with same
font and size, except the menu bar, which has the correct font (I've
used Andrew before, so i know what it has to look like). 
I have already tried xset +fp /usr/andrew/X11fonts and xset fp rehash
several times, but i can't figure out what's needed to make ez and other
applications using the right fonts. I've build with and without DPS_ENV
yet, without any luck. What irritates me is that no error message is
displayed at all. 
Thanks in advance for any hints on the subject. 
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<bold><excerpt>Excerpts from mail: 8-Oct-92 Re: Font Problem Todd
Inglett@rchl= and.ibm (805+0)</excerpt></bold><nl> <nl>
<excerpt><bold><excerpt>Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 5-Oct-92
Font Prob= lem Z. Horvat@RCHGATE.rchlan (1078)</excerpt></bold><nl>
</excerpt><nl> <excerpt><excerpt>Apllications start and seem to run
fine, but it looks like t= hey cannot find the approriate
fonts</excerpt><nl> </excerpt><nl> <excerpt>If you don't have an X11r5
server (you don't if you are running the p= roduct AIX server), make
sure you install .snf rather than .pcf fonts.  To get=  .snf fonts,
simply put a #undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in your site.h.  Until you g= et
things working, you might want to put the following into your
~/preferences=  file:<nl> </excerpt><nl>
<excerpt>*.AnnounceFontSubstitutions: true<nl> *.ErrorsToConsole:
false<nl> </excerpt><nl> <excerpt>Does xset q show that
/usr/andrew/X11fonts is on your font path?  If = not, the X server
doesn't like your new fonts.  Does a fonts.dir file exist in=  the font
directory?  If not, you probably forgot to build the xmkfontd direct=
ory.<nl> </excerpt><nl> <excerpt>-todd inglett<nl> </excerpt><nl> Thanks
for your answers. In the meantime, i have really been frustrated by usi=
ng the IBM Product Server (X11R4 based) too much and have switched
without pro= blems to R5. I rebuilded Andrew entirely (make World) and
don't had any more p= roblems with Andrew so far. So i can't tell if
your suggesting will help or no= t, sorry.<nl> <nl> One thing i noticed
with ATK 5.1 under AIX 3.2 is that without ANDREW_MALLOC_E= NV defined
any program with the menu point "Delete window" would crash by usin= g
it. I have built with ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV and DEBUG_MALLOC (or something
simil= ar, i can't remember ...) and so far i have not seen problems.
<nl> And, yes, i had to make some minor changes to some .c files which
included<nl>= 
<lt>errno.h> and then<nl> <lt>andrewos.h> to swap the two lines to make
them read<nl> <nl> <lt>andrewos.h><nl> <lt>error.h><nl> so that they got
compiled. Funny, but it worked.<nl> <nl> Greetings,<nl> <nl> <nl>
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Horvat<nl> Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz<nl> ++49-7531-88-2405<nl>
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IP address 
The correct IP address for 	atk.itc.cmu.edu is 128.2.45.46 
Please accept my apologies if you tried the incorrect address I posted
last week. The remote demo service is 	finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu 
(The IP address for emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, the Andrew Consortium ftp
server, is now 128.2.45.40.) 
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18:50:48 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com  (Zalman Stern)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: PLANEMASK_ENV
Message-Id: <1992Oct9.185048.7057@adobe.com> References:
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In article <wepP50m00Woi5W80ZR@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
(Robert  Andrew Ryan) writes: > In basics/x/xgraphic.c there is some
code ifdefed on PLANEMASK_ENV. > Does anyone know what this is for, and
if it is used by anyone? > > Thanks for any info, > -Rob Ryan > Andrew
Consortium Really really vague memories gradually come back to me... (I
didn't write  this code though I've tried to find bugs in it.) 
ATK used to do certain operations by setting the planemask to the xor of
the  foregound and background pixel values and then xor'ing in the
foreground  color. This allows you to get something like standard xor
rubberbanding on a  color display where you are only using two colors.
(I think that at one time  Xgraphic wired the planemask to this xor'ed
value and left it that way until  you changed the fore and back colors.) 
There are a few problems with this: first actually using the planemask 
turned out to be dog slow on certain servers. Second, there were bugs in
 using the planemask on other servers. (Yet another X11 feature that you
 didn't want to use because it didn't get performance and QA attention.)
 Thirdly, this scheme completely falls apart when there are more than
two  colors in a window. 
If I recall, PLANEMASK_ENV at one time set things up to do xor mode
drawing  by xor'ing with the xor of the fore and back colors instead of
setting the  planemask. I'm not sure which direction the flag went.
Also, I think other  stuff has been added under PLANEMASK_ENV that
probably doesn't have anything  to do with the above. 
The last time I dealt with ATK (~two years ago), I had to compile it
with  different values of PLANEMASK_ENV for my 1 bit NCD and my 8 bit
Magnum. And  there were still a few bugs either way. I'd suggest
figuring out what the  correct X11 like thing to do is, riping out the
PLANEMASK_ENV code (and  anything else that looks suspect) and
rewritting it. (Understand that at the  time xgraphic was written, X11
theory and practice were relatively  undeveloped. People actually
believed GC's and Windows were dirt cheap for  example.) 
The above ramble may be pure fiction. If you'd like a more direct
source,  talk to Andy Palay or Mark Sherman. -- Zalman Stern		  
zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd.,
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03:34:00 GMT From: kum.kaist.ac.kr!usenet@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Lee Ki
Seob) Organization: KAIST Subject: Is there any internationalized Andrew
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Hi all Is there any internationalized Andrew ? So to speak, I hope to
use ez with all of alphabets including korean hangul, japanese kana,
chinese hanja. 
Anyone who have infos about it, let me know.  Thanks in advance. 
		 

-- 

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a!kwhite@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Isabelle Tourneux) Organization: MCRLab -
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texts, and flip page. Message-Id: <1992Oct6.193005.12811@csi.uottawa.ca>
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I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange
behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and
texts associated with views. 
I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple
string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple
string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1
to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them
with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName
in the CallBack of each button. 
I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the
page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with
text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not
visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text
and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible
to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized
the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not
visible) ? 
So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in
InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the
controller's InitializeObject ? 
I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the
CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button,
the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but
only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the
controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already
visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ?
It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made
visible for the first time. So I would like to force these
initializations in the code of the button CallBack. 
What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible
? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is
the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or
text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be
added somewhere else ? 

Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. 
 Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa.   
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I'm trying to install the full source distribution on a SPARCsystem
670MP, and am encountering a puzzling error during the make of all the
Makefiles.  The following directories were missing and caused make
errors (my entire source tree starts at /fac4/atk/build, and I've
pointed DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV to /fac4/atk/andrew): 
	/fac4/atk/build/overhead/util/pobbconf
	/fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/machdep/pobbconf
	/fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/pobbconf
	/fac4/atk/build/overhead/eli/pobbconf 
There were many more others under the "overhead" tree, and they all have
the "pobbconf" subdirectory missing at various points in the tree.  Can
someone please point me to some documentation that explains what
pobbconf is, and how I could be missing these subdirectories? 
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Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: org and monochrome SS2
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I'm quite a fan of org, despite all the bugs. I recently noticed a nasty
problem, though. I normally work on a Sun SLC and there everything works
fine. Last week I was working on a SparcStation 2 and to my dismay,
couldn't get my main org file to appear. At first I thought I had
somehow lost all the information I had stored in the file and so was
relieved when everything was fine when working on my SLC. 
It looks to me like somehow org doesn't get along with the 19"
monochrome monitor on the SS2. We also have IPCs in our group, and org
works fine with them, too. 
Has anybody had this problem? Is there a way to fix it? 

Matthew Wyneken 
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Hello, 
	I am trying to find out if AFS will meet our needs at University of
Houston. We have a wide variety of unix based workstations and also many
machines running VMS. I would really like to know if we can use
VMS-based machines with the Andrew File System. Also, is there a
domonstration package that we can install here for the purpose of
testing only before we commit ourselves to AFS. 
Thanks in advance
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-------- initializations + flip page
------------------------------------------------ 
I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange
behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and
texts associated with views. 
I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple
string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple
string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1
to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them
with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName
in the CallBack of each button. 
I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the
page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with
text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not
visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text
and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible
to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized
the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not
visible) ? 
So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in
InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the
controller's InitializeObject ? 
I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the
CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button,
the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but
only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the
controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already
visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ?
It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made
visible for the first time. So I would like to force these
initializations in the code of the button CallBack. 
What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible
? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is
the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or
text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be
added somewhere else ? 
--------- spawn a new process
-------------------------------------------------- 
I know how to run an inset in a new window from the CallBack of an Adew
button, and in that case runadew still controls the new window with the
inset (it is the same  process). But I would like to be able to spawn a
new process (adew or atk) from a CallBack, with the first runadew not
having the control of this new application : if an adew controller is
spawned, another runadew will control it; and if an atk application is
spawned, this application will control itself in the new window. What is
the typical code I will have to add ? What does exactly application_Fork
do ? 
How can I spawn an adew controller (with no control button) in the code
of an ATK application ? I have tried to run an adew controller+view from
.startxrc : I have added a line "path/doController &" in .startxrc, and
the view appears correctly but the controller doesn't work . What is the
right way to spawn runadew (with the associated view and controller)
from .startxrc ? 
                   -------------------------------------------- 
Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. 
 Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa.   
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hangs after printing the initial title message. 
Do I need to re-compile on AIX 3.2 or will I get the same problem when I do ? 
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Hi all ! 
Andrew support andy, andysans, andytype, ... font family. But I hope to
use another font family. Anyone who knows this, let me know. 
PS. I have a plan of displaying multi-lingual text in ez. 
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<lupine!grant!kriso@uunet.UU.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: CUI
question 
I want to execute a CUI command that: 1) reads my mail from
/usr/spool/mail/... and places it in ~/Mailbox 2) then exits without
further processing. 
I need this because /usr/spool/mail is on a host that doesn't run
Messages.  I want the data read into my home directory so that I can
read the mail on an HP system that has my home account NFS mounted. 
I've tried: 	$cui updatetext822, 90531 
