\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 13;andrew.cmu.edu;Fred Hansen Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:26:05 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.aos4 via MS.5.6.emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_aos4; Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Hansen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 478+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium \begindata{text,271226644} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The September, 1992 edition of the Andrew View, newsletter of the Andrew Consortium, is available for anonymous ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.45.40) as ./newsletters/92Sept.d. Subdirectories ASCII and PostScript contain versions for the ATK-deprived. If you haven't got ftp access, please send mail to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium PS: You can try AUIS remotely. For instructions: finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu\ \enddata{text,271226644} \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 2178} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:26 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: building 5.1 on HP-UX We're trying to build the latest Andrew release for hp700_ux805 under AFS 3.1. The HP-UX link editor reports the following error, when attempting to run "makedo" on atk/basics/common/path.o: > ld: DP-Relative Code in file /usr/afsws/lib/afs/libsys.a(rmtsysc.o) - > Shared Library must be Position-Independent This seems an odd error, as "libsys.a" is not a shared library. Previously, we encountered other build problems involving an AFS header file () whose inclusion seemed to be missing from several source files in andrew/overhead. Has anyone successfully compiled Andrew 5.1 on HP-UX with AFS defined? Thanks for any help, -Bob \enddata{text822, 2178} \begindata{text822, 4462} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1082+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,539199076} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Oct-92 building 5.1 on HP-UX Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (659*)} \quotation{The HP-UX link editor reports the following error, when attempting to }\quotation{run "makedo" on atk/basics/common/path.o: } \quotation{> ld: DP-Relative Code in file /usr/afsws/lib/afs/libsys.a(rmtsysc.o) - }\quotation{> Shared Library must be Position-Independent } On HP-UX you cannot combine position-independent code (pic) and absolutely referenced code from regular old static archive libs. The ATK dynamic objects are implemented as shared libraries and Transarc doesn't ship shared client libraries. Most libraries on HP-UX come in both shared and absolute flavors. They only need build their client libs with the -z (make pic) flag or provide shared libs and everything would be fine. \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Oct-92 building 5.1 on HP-UX Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (659*)} \quotation{Has anyone successfully compiled Andrew 5.1 on HP-UX with AFS defined? } No, but I have thought of some possible workarounds, all involving methods I find distasteful, and finally decided to wait for Transarc to do the right thing. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539199076} \enddata{text822, 4462} \begindata{text822, 6935} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for gk5g+; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:24 EDT Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23928; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:15 EDT Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA08906; Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:43:12 -0400 Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cattey To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX Cc: In-Reply-To: References: At the risk of torching up another fire storm: Isn't it about time we removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? Does anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? I know that there used to be a problem with sending mail if one of the AFS file servers in your MSPATH went down. In the interest of making porting easier, and making the system simpler and thereby easier to maintain, could we investigate removing all the AFS_ENV code? -wdc \enddata{text822, 6935} \begindata{text822, 8821} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 3 Oct 92 20:30:12 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26156; Sat, 3 Oct 92 17:23:55 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Oct 92 15:19:47 GMT From: fmrco!fmrco!asherman@uunet.uu.net (Aaron Sherman) Organization: I-Kinetics, 19 Bishop-Allen Dr., Cambridge, MA Subject: Request for FAQ Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu If there is an FAQ for this group, could someone please send it to me? Thanks. -AJS PS: If there is none, could someone please send me whatever info would be useful to someone looking into this software (how to get, limitations, benefits, etc...) -- -------- Disclaimer: I am solely responsible for the content of this message. The views expressed here may not be the views of I-Kinetics, Fidelity, any of the Fidelity-owned corporations or my mother. \enddata{text822, 8821} \begindata{text822, 10576} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:02:50 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA04245; Sun, 4 Oct 92 20:53:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 03:31:54 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: AFS dependencies in ez (Was: building 5.1 on HP-UX) Message-Id: <1992Oct5.033154.22456@adobe.com> References: <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <8enA9kAGf047QWi4Bo@athena.mit.edu> wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill Cattey) writes: > At the risk of torching up another fire storm: Isn't it about time > we removed the AFS dependencies from AUIS? > > Does anyone remember the reason why EZ needs to know about AFS? 1) File saving and restoring code calls vclose for final saves (not checkpoints) to ensure that the file really made it to the server. 2) The code that handles '?' at a filename completion prompt appeneds a slash ('/') to names depending on the least significant bit of the inode number. This is a gross ugly performance hack that made a lot of difference in user satisfaction. 3) The error messages that come up on an error return from a file system call were written with AFS in mind. 4) Ez checks the error return from close. 1 and 2 won't work without AFS. (And if I recall were #ifdef'ed appropriately from day one.) 3 is a user interface anomaly ("What's a file server?") and 4 is good programming practice no matter what. I carefully avoided building in any knowledge about access control lists for example. (Using "access" where needed.) It would be diffcult to do that for DCE since files can have ACL's. This corresponds to ez as it was originally written. Things have probably changed. My memory is also far from infallible. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 10576} \begindata{text822, 13459} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for outnews+netnews.comp.text; Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:42:25 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred Hansen To: Info-Andrew , XANNOUNCE@expo.lcs.mit.edu, outnews+netnews.comp.text@andrew.cmu.edu, outnews+netnews.cmu.cs.general@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium In-Reply-To: References: Sender: wjh@LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU Several respondents to my previous post about the Andrew Consortium newsletter have raised questions which point out other ways to read the news: on AFS, the newsletter is at /afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d To interpret the .d file, you should read it with ez, the Andrew object editor. For other versions see .../newsletters/ASCII/92Sept.ascii and .../newsletters/PostScript/92Sept.ps Best of all, you can read the Andrew version via the remote demo service. To get the service started, finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu or finger help@128.2.30.51 and follow directions. After the service is running and displays its initial window, click on the "ez" button to get the editor. Then type control-X-control-V and answer the prompt with the file name: /afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/atk-sm-X5-ftp/newsletters/92Sept.d Have fun reading the news. Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium Send comments or requests to info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu Send bug reports to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu \enddata{text822, 13459} \begindata{text822, 15922} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:48:56 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA13500; Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:40:21 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 20:06:19 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!marshall@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Bill Marshall) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Subject: Monochrome Setup Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I used Andrew this summer at IBM Rochester (to anyone in Rochester: nice setup!) so now I am trying to run Andrew from an HP750. It runs fine, but I have a monochrome X-terminal and things are hard to read to ez. (The background is shaded or the text is) I have read through help on preferences and ez, but I can't get the write items in my .preferences file. Here is what I have: ez.background: white ez.foreground: black *.BackgroundColor: white *.ForegroundColor: black AMShome:cs.iastate.edu Thanks, Bill -- Bill Marshall Computer Science Department Iowa State University marshall@cs.iastate.edu \enddata{text822, 15922} \begindata{text822, 17877} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:49:33 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Monochrome Setup In-Reply-To: References: For whatever reason, a black background setting can cause Andrew display problems on some black & white monitors. We have similar problems with a b&w high resolution HP monitor, and with Graphon X-terminals. To work around the problem, try a shaded background, like xterm -fg white -bg darkslategrey -Bob \enddata{text822, 17877} \begindata{text822, 19926} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:51:59 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05551; Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:41:06 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 13:09:05 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fhg!ise.fhg.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm running ATK on Sparcstations under Openwindows 3 as well as X11 R5. My problem is that I occasionally get eternally long delays (up to 5 seconds :-) when viewing formatted text, such as in the help files. The lags seem to come at font changes in the text. I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then I noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been created and are in the font path. Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 19926} \begindata{text822, 22393} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:07:33 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA15267; Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:06:34 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 06:50:24 GMT From: gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Keim) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: References: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 5-Oct-92 Annoying delay when loading.. Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (1032) > I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then > I noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been created and are in the font path. The delays you are noticing are caused when a font is called for that is not already in the Xserver. Once loaded the delay should cease -- for that particular font-family/size combination. Let me know if you have a repeatable case where this delay happens over and over for the same font. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 22393} \begindata{text822, 24371} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:37:42 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA18345; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:33:45 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 07:11:54 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: References: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 5-Oct-92 Annoying delay when loading.. Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (1032) > Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do about it? The most likely sources for delay are the network, disk access, and of course scaling. There is basically nothing which can be done short of using fewer different fonts. I suppose it might be useful to have a client connect to the server and allocate commonly used fonts to minimize the need to reload fonts from disk. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 24371} \begindata{text822, 26298} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:52:39 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Adam Stoller Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium Cc: info-andrew@ANDREW.CMU.EDU In-Reply-To: References: The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures) has reached the point where it needs a name. What name do you like: vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, draft, odraw, g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, , , The decision of the judges is final. Duplicate prizes will be awarded in case of ties. FredH \enddata{text822, 26298} \begindata{text822, 28071} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8779;andrew.cmu.edu;Andrew C. Plotkin Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:18:25 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from orac.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.orac.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 7-Oct-92 Re: Newsletter from Andrew .. Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed (451) > The new editor for structured image objects (line drawings or figures) > has reached the point where it needs a name. > What name do you like: > vel, gecko, andraw, figure, lined, elvis, adraw, drawl, > draft, odraw, g-ode, ode, yahoo, AAAHCHHH, Since I'm responsible for the program, I believe I'll explain some of these.... Vel: This is the current name. It was chosen because the editor is intended to replace Zip. And, see, using velcro is very similar to using a zip, except that velcro is cheaper, easier to use, never breaks or jams.... :-) Gecko: Geckos are cute. (Well, not very.) Andraw: Like MacDraw, only without the Mac. Figure: From the same people who brought you inset names like Text, Raster, Chart, Table, Footnote... On the other hand, every time you started it up, you could say "Go Figure!" Lined: Well, you can edit lines with it. Among other things. Elvis: Your guess is as good as mine. Adraw: See Andraw. Drawl: See Adraw. (Only this is cornier.) Draft: A drafting table? I dunno. Odraw: See Drawl. G-Ode: Graphic Object Drawing Editor. Advantages: sounds cool. Disadvantages: we can't use it, because the hyphen will crash all of our preprocessors and compilers. Ode: Object Drawing Editor. Like G-Ode, but without either the advantages or disadvantages. Yahoo: When Rob sent me his list of suggestions, the subject line was "Yahoo". AAAHCHHH: This would be the very first program name that you *cannot* say quietly; you *must* scream it, or you're pronouncing it wrong. This would be great fun at conferences, demos, etc. Imagine Fred Hansen standing up and saying "We are proud to announce our new drawing editor AAAHCHHH!!!!" (You would all have to do it too, of course.) Consider these factors well, before you choose a name (or make up your own.) Andrew Plotkin Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 28071} \begindata{text822, 31390} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:24:42 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA21266; Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:11:09 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 17:56:52 GMT From: darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de!nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de!zh@gatech.edu (Z. Horvat) Organization: Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz Subject: Font Problem Message-Id: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've finaly managed to build Andrew under AIX 3.2 by making some slight modifications to config/rs_aix31/* (commenting #undef ANSI_C_SOURCE and some other slight mofifications). Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like they cannot find the approriate fonts - everything is always displayed with same font and size, except the menu bar, which has the correct font (I've used Andrew before, so i know what it has to look like). I have already tried xset +fp /usr/andrew/X11fonts and xset fp rehash several times, but i can't figure out what's needed to make ez and other applications using the right fonts. I've build with and without DPS_ENV yet, without any luck. What irritates me is that no error message is displayed at all. Thanks in advance for any hints on the subject. -- --------------------------------------------------- SYS337654 Could not locate coffee - Operator halted --------------------------------------------------- Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz ++49-7531-88-2405 zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de \enddata{text822, 31390} \begindata{text822, 33839} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:14:59 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1746; Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:17:23 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:11:39 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:11:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 805+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> \begindata{text,539384440} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 5-Oct-92 Font Problem Z. Horvat@RCHGATE.rchlan (1078)} \quotation{Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like they cannot find the approriate fonts} If you don't have an X11r5 server (you don't if you are running the product AIX server), make sure you install .snf rather than .pcf fonts. To get .snf fonts, simply put a #undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in your site.h. Until you get things working, you might want to put the following into your ~/preferences file: *.AnnounceFontSubstitutions: true *.ErrorsToConsole: false Does xset q show that /usr/andrew/X11fonts is on your font path? If not, the X server doesn't like your new fonts. Does a fonts.dir file exist in the font directory? If not, you probably forgot to build the xmkfontd directory. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539384440} \enddata{text822, 33839} \begindata{text822, 36738} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:32:25 EDT Received: by nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19108; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:25 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.nike.rz.uni.konstanz.de.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:24 +0100 (NFT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:24 +0100 (NFT) From: "Z. Horvat" X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2018+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Excerpts from mail: 8-Oct-92 Re: Font Problem Todd Inglett@rchl= and.ibm (805+0) Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 5-Oct-92 Font Prob= lem Z. Horvat@RCHGATE.rchlan (1078) Apllications start and seem to run fine, but it looks like t= hey cannot find the approriate fonts If you don't have an X11r5 server (you don't if you are running the p= roduct AIX server), make sure you install .snf rather than .pcf fonts. To get= .snf fonts, simply put a #undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in your site.h. Until you g= et things working, you might want to put the following into your ~/preferences= file: *.AnnounceFontSubstitutions: true *.ErrorsToConsole: false Does xset q show that /usr/andrew/X11fonts is on your font path? If = not, the X server doesn't like your new fonts. Does a fonts.dir file exist in= the font directory? If not, you probably forgot to build the xmkfontd direct= ory. -todd inglett Thanks for your answers. In the meantime, i have really been frustrated by usi= ng the IBM Product Server (X11R4 based) too much and have switched without pro= blems to R5. I rebuilded Andrew entirely (make World) and don't had any more p= roblems with Andrew so far. So i can't tell if your suggesting will help or no= t, sorry. One thing i noticed with ATK 5.1 under AIX 3.2 is that without ANDREW_MALLOC_E= NV defined any program with the menu point "Delete window" would crash by usin= g it. I have built with ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV and DEBUG_MALLOC (or something simil= ar, i can't remember ...) and so far i have not seen problems. And, yes, i had to make some minor changes to some .c files which included= errno.h> and then andrewos.h> to swap the two lines to make them read andrewos.h> error.h> so that they got compiled. Funny, but it worked. Greetings, --------------------------------------------------- SYS337654 Could not locate coffee - Operator halted --------------------------------------------------- Z. Horvat Rechenzentrum Universitaet Konstanz ++49-7531-88-2405 zh@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de rzhorv@nyx.uni-konstanz.de \enddata{text822, 36738} \begindata{text822, 40912} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.att.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ghoti+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:41:08 EDT Received: by inet; Thu Oct 8 10:18 EDT 1992 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gargoyle.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.gargoyle.sun4_41; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Schell X-Andrew-Message-Size: 191+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Adam Stoller , Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: drawing editor name Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8eonzi600gpm01J3kT@cs.cmu.edu> \begindata{text,2596752} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} My vote is for anything but the 'ode' names. We use 'ode' for our object oriented database. 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Horvat"@RCHGATE.rchl (2018+0)} \quotation{One thing i noticed with ATK 5.1 under AIX 3.2 is that without ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV defined any program with the menu point "Delete window" would crash by using it. I have built with ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV and DEBUG_MALLOC (or something similar, i can't remember } Well, unfortunately ANDREW_MALLOC_ENV \italic{will} cause problems. Try running bush for example. You can work around the problem by setting the MALLOCTYPE environment variable to the value "3.1". You can apply the following patch to atk/apps/runapp.c to permanently "fix" the problem. *** /tmp/T0WFACzR Thu Oct 8 09:42:34 1992 --- runapp.c Thu Oct 8 09:42:34 1992 *************** *** 86,91 **** --- 86,111 ---- fd = open("/dev/zero", O_RDWR); dup(fd); /* one greater */ close(fd); + #endif + + #if SY_AIX32 + \{ + /* This masks some memory corruption problems. */ + extern char **environ; + char *envent = environ[0]; + void *foo; + + /* This is tricky. The first call to malloc checks + * MALLOCTYPE, but putenv uses malloc so we can't use + * it. We probably don't want to propogate MALLOCTYPE + * to other progs either, so we temporarly put it into + * our environment, call malloc, then put things back. + */ + environ[0] = "MALLOCTYPE=3.1"; + foo = malloc(1); + free(foo); + environ[0] = envent; + \} #endif initClass(); These problems will be fixed "for real" in the next release of Andrew. -todd inglett \enddata{text,539384440} \enddata{text822, 45727} \begindata{text822, 49527} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 506+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Font Problem In-Reply-To: References: <1992Oct5.185652@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de> \begindata{text,538688776} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 8-Oct-92 Re: Font Problem Todd Inglett@rchland.ibm (805+0)} \quotation{Until you get things working, you might want to put the following into your ~/preferences file: } \quotation{*.AnnounceFontSubstitutions: true }\quotation{*.ErrorsToConsole: false } I believe the ErrorsToConsole preference is not present in the current release. It's purpose is to determine if the stderr of ATK apps should be sent to the console program, or left to go wherever it otherwise would. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538688776} \enddata{text822, 49527} \begindata{text822, 51406} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for wjh+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:28:51 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu To: Info-Andrew , XANNOUNCE@expo.lcs.mit.edu, outnews+netnews.comp.text@andrew.cmu.edu, outnews+netnews.cmu.cs.general@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: atk.itc.cmu.edu IP address The correct IP address for atk.itc.cmu.edu is 128.2.45.46 Please accept my apologies if you tried the incorrect address I posted last week. The remote demo service is finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu (The IP address for emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, the Andrew Consortium ftp server, is now 128.2.45.40.) Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 51406} \begindata{text822, 52990} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:38:53 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3613; Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:41:17 EDT Reply-To: "Robert Kemmetmueller" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:36:11 CDT Received: via switchmail; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:36:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rsaix1.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix31; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Kemmetmueller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 783+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: eq bugs \begindata{text,538714248} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{center attr:[Justification Centered Point 0]} \define{h attr:[FontFamily rom Int 0] attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 6]} \define{a attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#F0A000']} \define{b attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#E08000']} \define{c attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#D06000']} \define{d attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -1] attr:['color' '#C05000']} \define{e attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -2] attr:['color' '#B03000']} \define{f attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point 6] attr:['color' '#A02000']} \define{g attr:['color' '#CD8500']} Not sure if these are \italic{known} bugs or not, but \bold{eq} (the inset for drawing equations) has a few problems: 1. It doesn't ever set its "modified" flag, so the text object you embedded it in has no clue that it's been changed. 2. It doesn't chop up its outputted lines \smaller{(per datastream standard)}, so some network mailers might not appreciate them. 3. Pressing Enter will start a new "formula", but there's no way to get rid of it. \smaller{(A bit of investigating shows that \typewriter{eq_DeleteCarefully} \underline{does} remove the zilch when you Cut or ^D or ^H it, but then the same routine adds a zilch back IN because it thinks a formula isn't \typewriter{deletable}. Ideally, it should NOT add it, and, in addition, should remove the empty \typewriter{begin} and \typewriter{end} tokens that still remain.)} \begindata{eq,539281992} { lpile d_eqstyle { { cpile { ( { 2 5 * 1 0 sup { 3 } * x sub { 1 , 2 } + 3 0 * 1 0 sup { 2 } * x sub { 2 , 2 } } ) * y sub { i , j } } over { 2 2 * 1 0 sup { 4 } } } } { zilch } { zilch } { zilch } { zilch } { y o u - c a n n o t ( { d e l e t e } ) + t h o s e sup { 4 } e m p t y sub { f o r m u l a e } } } \enddata{eq,539281992} \view{eqview,539281992,29,0,0} \center{ \h{\f{R\e{o\d{b\c{er\b{t K\a{emme}tmu}el}l}e}r }\g{rskm@rchland 3-4968 }}}\enddata{text,538714248} \enddata{text822, 52990} \begindata{text822, 56968} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:22:04 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 183+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: PLANEMASK_ENV \begindata{text,538674432} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} In basics/x/xgraphic.c there is some code ifdefed on PLANEMASK_ENV. Does anyone know what this is for, and if it is used by anyone? Thanks for any info, -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538674432} \enddata{text822, 56968} \begindata{text822, 58318} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:30:31 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05850; Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:15:07 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Oct 92 18:50:48 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: PLANEMASK_ENV Message-Id: <1992Oct9.185048.7057@adobe.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes: > In basics/x/xgraphic.c there is some code ifdefed on PLANEMASK_ENV. > Does anyone know what this is for, and if it is used by anyone? > > Thanks for any info, > -Rob Ryan > Andrew Consortium Really really vague memories gradually come back to me... (I didn't write this code though I've tried to find bugs in it.) ATK used to do certain operations by setting the planemask to the xor of the foregound and background pixel values and then xor'ing in the foreground color. This allows you to get something like standard xor rubberbanding on a color display where you are only using two colors. (I think that at one time Xgraphic wired the planemask to this xor'ed value and left it that way until you changed the fore and back colors.) There are a few problems with this: first actually using the planemask turned out to be dog slow on certain servers. Second, there were bugs in using the planemask on other servers. (Yet another X11 feature that you didn't want to use because it didn't get performance and QA attention.) Thirdly, this scheme completely falls apart when there are more than two colors in a window. If I recall, PLANEMASK_ENV at one time set things up to do xor mode drawing by xor'ing with the xor of the fore and back colors instead of setting the planemask. I'm not sure which direction the flag went. Also, I think other stuff has been added under PLANEMASK_ENV that probably doesn't have anything to do with the above. The last time I dealt with ATK (~two years ago), I had to compile it with different values of PLANEMASK_ENV for my 1 bit NCD and my 8 bit Magnum. And there were still a few bugs either way. I'd suggest figuring out what the correct X11 like thing to do is, riping out the PLANEMASK_ENV code (and anything else that looks suspect) and rewritting it. (Understand that at the time xgraphic was written, X11 theory and practice were relatively undeveloped. People actually believed GC's and Windows were dirt cheap for example.) The above ramble may be pure fiction. If you'd like a more direct source, talk to Andy Palay or Mark Sherman. -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 58318} \begindata{text822, 62053} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:59:39 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA07311; Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:55:22 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 8 Oct 92 03:34:00 GMT From: kum.kaist.ac.kr!usenet@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Lee Ki Seob) Organization: KAIST Subject: Is there any internationalized Andrew ? Message-Id: <1992Oct8.033400.28142@kum.kaist.ac.kr> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi all Is there any internationalized Andrew ? So to speak, I hope to use ez with all of alphabets including korean hangul, japanese kana, chinese hanja. Anyone who have infos about it, let me know. Thanks in advance. -- Lee, Ki Seob System Architecture Lab. Computer Science Department KAIST Seoul, Republic of Korea phone: +82-42-869-3554 (Office) email: leeks@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr \enddata{text822, 62053} \begindata{text822, 63747} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:00:29 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11793; Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:52:19 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Oct 92 19:30:05 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!biosci!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!kwhite@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Isabelle Tourneux) Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa Subject: ADEW : initializations of values and texts, and flip page. Message-Id: <1992Oct6.193005.12811@csi.uottawa.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and texts associated with views. I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1 to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName in the CallBack of each button. I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not visible) ? So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the controller's InitializeObject ? I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button, the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ? It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made visible for the first time. So I would like to force these initializations in the code of the button CallBack. What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible ? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be added somewhere else ? Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa. isabelle@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca \enddata{text822, 63747} \begindata{text822, 67427} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:02:21 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA07998; Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:07:47 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 92 18:18:22 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!news@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Anthony Yen) Organization: Coffee R Us Subject: Installation Question Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm trying to install the full source distribution on a SPARCsystem 670MP, and am encountering a puzzling error during the make of all the Makefiles. The following directories were missing and caused make errors (my entire source tree starts at /fac4/atk/build, and I've pointed DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV to /fac4/atk/andrew): /fac4/atk/build/overhead/util/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/machdep/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/class/pobbconf /fac4/atk/build/overhead/eli/pobbconf There were many more others under the "overhead" tree, and they all have the "pobbconf" subdirectory missing at various points in the tree. Can someone please point me to some documentation that explains what pobbconf is, and how I could be missing these subdirectories? -- ____ tyen@cs.utexas.edu.....Kowabunga!... /ony -- Claimer: Views expressed here == mine && only mine. Sail tough. \enddata{text822, 67427} \begindata{text822, 69589} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:19:06 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA25056; Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:13:48 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 92 16:11:26 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!think.com!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!ira.uka.de!news.belwue.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: org and monochrome SS2 Message-Id: <1992Oct12.161126.3138@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm quite a fan of org, despite all the bugs. I recently noticed a nasty problem, though. I normally work on a Sun SLC and there everything works fine. Last week I was working on a SparcStation 2 and to my dismay, couldn't get my main org file to appear. At first I thought I had somehow lost all the information I had stored in the file and so was relieved when everything was fine when working on my SLC. It looks to me like somehow org doesn't get along with the 19" monochrome monitor on the SS2. We also have IPCs in our group, and org works fine with them, too. Has anybody had this problem? Is there a way to fix it? Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 69589} \begindata{text822, 71980} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:52:33 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA25409; Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:50:33 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 92 15:45:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!jetson.uh.edu!acslp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (M M Uddin (Pablo) acslp@jetson.uh.edu) Organization: University of Houston Subject: request for some information about AFS Message-Id: <13OCT199210453322@jetson.uh.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello, I am trying to find out if AFS will meet our needs at University of Houston. We have a wide variety of unix based workstations and also many machines running VMS. I would really like to know if we can use VMS-based machines with the Andrew File System. Also, is there a domonstration package that we can install here for the purpose of testing only before we commit ourselves to AFS. Thanks in advance ________________________________________________________________________________ Name: Mohammed Moin Uddin (Alias: Pablo) Email: MUddin@uh.edu or acslp@jetson.uh.edu (H): 8431 Hearth #36, Houston, Tx 77054. Tel: (713) 667-0826 (W): University of Houston, Houston, Tx 77204-5502 Tel: (713) 743-1561 "For him who follows a path of seeking knowledge, Allah will ease for him the path to Paradise." [Muslim] \enddata{text822, 71980} \begindata{text822, 74178} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 19:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 19:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 17 Oct 92 19:13:22 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA19518; Sat, 17 Oct 92 16:04:35 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 92 15:05:07 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Isabelle Tourneux) Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa Subject: ADEW : spawn a new process + initializations + flip page Message-Id: <1992Oct14.150507.18096@csi.uottawa.ca> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu -------- initializations + flip page ------------------------------------------------ I am writing a User Interface with Adew, and Adew has a strange behaviour towards flipping pages, and initializations of values and texts associated with views. I have got 2 buttons and a page . In this page, there are a multiple string entry view (menterstrV) and a text. The value of the multiple string entry and the text have to be initialized. I would like button 1 to flip page to the menterstrV, and button 2 to the text, both of them with the right text displayed . So I have put a page_SEtNowPlayingByName in the CallBack of each button. I have noticed that if the textview is the first view visible of the page , I can initialize the text in the controller_go (with text_AlwaysInsertCharacters). But it doesn't work if the textview is not visible at the beginning (if menterstrV is visible). I thought the text and the textview would be more independant than that. Is it not possible to initialize a text without its view being displayed ? How is memorized the text ? Is it static or dynamic (and lost when the view is not visible) ? So I have tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in InitializeObject. It is not accepted. So what is the use of the controller's InitializeObject ? I have also tried to initialize the text and the menterstrV value in the CallBack of the button which calls the view. When I click on a button, the view is correctly displayed and the value or text initialized , but only if the view is visible or HAS BEEN ALREADY VISIBLE since I ran the controller. It puzzles me that it works if the view has been already visible, and is not visible now. Could somebody explain that behaviour ? It seems that some initializations are done when the view is made visible for the first time. So I would like to force these initializations in the code of the button CallBack. What is the code to flip page when the view has NEVER been once visible ? (because page_SEtNowPlayingByName doesn't work in that case ). What is the code I could add to the button CallBack to initialize a value or text, when the view has NEVER been once visible ? And could this code be added somewhere else ? --------- spawn a new process -------------------------------------------------- I know how to run an inset in a new window from the CallBack of an Adew button, and in that case runadew still controls the new window with the inset (it is the same process). But I would like to be able to spawn a new process (adew or atk) from a CallBack, with the first runadew not having the control of this new application : if an adew controller is spawned, another runadew will control it; and if an atk application is spawned, this application will control itself in the new window. What is the typical code I will have to add ? What does exactly application_Fork do ? How can I spawn an adew controller (with no control button) in the code of an ATK application ? I have tried to run an adew controller+view from .startxrc : I have added a line "path/doController &" in .startxrc, and the view appears correctly but the controller doesn't work . What is the right way to spawn runadew (with the associated view and controller) from .startxrc ? -------------------------------------------- Thank you for all explanation and advice you could give me. Isabelle Tourneux, multimedia Lab of the University of Ottawa. isabelle@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca \enddata{text822, 74178} \begindata{text822, 79045} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 23:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 17 Oct 1992 23:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 17 Oct 92 23:26:57 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01985; Sat, 17 Oct 92 20:25:30 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 92 17:43:39 GMT From: mcsun!dxcern!dxcern!tbel@uunet.uu.net Organization: IBM Subject: CD Rom version running on AIX 3.2 Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've downloaded the CD ROM version of Andrew and unpacked the AIX 3.1 version. Most of the applications run fine but the messages application hangs after printing the initial title message. Do I need to re-compile on AIX 3.2 or will I get the same problem when I do ? Tim. -- Tim Bell IBM High Energy Physics European Centre CERN, Geneva, Switzerland TBEL@CERNVM.CERN.CH \enddata{text822, 79045} \begindata{text822, 80668} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 06:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daiduk.kaist.ac.kr by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 18 Oct 92 06:37:06 EDT Received: from mani.kaist.ac.kr ([192.104.15.2]) by daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (4.1/hana-relay-3.1) id AA15292; Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:36:05 KST Received: by mani.kaist.ac.kr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09321; Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:35:32 KST From: leeks%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr (Ki Seob Lee) Message-Id: <9210181035.AA09321@mani.kaist.ac.kr> Errors-To: Postmaster%mani.kaist.ac.kr@daiduk.kaist.ac.kr Subject: How to use another font family ? To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:35:31 KST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3h1-2 PL11] Hi all ! Andrew support andy, andysans, andytype, ... font family. But I hope to use another font family. Anyone who knows this, let me know. PS. I have a plan of displaying multi-lingual text in ez. -- Lee, Ki Seob System Architecture Lab. Computer Science Department, KAIST Seoul, Republic of Korea phone: +82-42-869-3554 (Office) email: leeks@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr \enddata{text822, 80668} \begindata{text822, 82316} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 20:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:50:20 EDT Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7499; Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:52:41 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 18 Oct 92 14:15:54 CDT Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1992 14:15:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 914+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: CD Rom version running on AIX 3.2 In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,538983016} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 14-Oct-92 CD Rom version running on A.. tbel@uunet.uu.net (375)} \quotation{I've downloaded the CD ROM version of Andrew and unpacked the AIX }\quotation{3.1 version. Most of the applications run fine but the messages }\quotation{application hangs after printing the initial title message. } Try to determine where it is hanging. Do a cd /usr/andrew/dlib/atk (or where ever you put it). Now bring up messages and let it hang. Do a ps to find the process id of messages. Now do a dbx -a pidnum, where pidnum is the process id number. When you get the dbx prompt, type 'where'. On an AIX 3.2 machine you should get a pretty good traceback. If it doesn't make sense to you, post it here and someone may see the problem. \quotation{Do I need to re-compile on AIX 3.2 or will I get the same problem when I do ? } You will have difficulties porting the code to AIX 3.2. It can be done with a little effort. -todd inglett \enddata{text,538983016} \enddata{text822, 82316} \begindata{text822, 85372} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: Received: from neptun.kapsch.co.at by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 11:07:52 EDT Return-Path: @neptun.kapsch.co.at:fodatec@harare.kapsch.co.at Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07 MET Received: from harare.kapsch.co.at [148.198.10.5] by neptun.kapsch.co.at with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07 MET Received: by harare.kapsch.co.at (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18594; Mon, 19 Oct 92 16:07:30 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.harare.kapsch.co.at.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:07:29 +0100 (MET) From: Fodatec Project To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ATK on SunSPARC10 Is there anybody running ATK on SunSPARC10 ? If so then under SunOS, Solaris 1.x or Solaris 2.0 ? Is anybody aware of any problems that may occur when trying to run CD binaries/building from sources on SS10 ? Thanks, -Kazimierz Zielinski Kapsch AG, Vienna, Austria email: fodatec@kapsch.co.at \enddata{text822, 85372} \begindata{text822, 87184} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1480+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: building 5.1 on HP-UX In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,7029024} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Earlier it was pointed out that Andrew could not be compiled under hp-ux with AFS_ENV defined. This was because the AFS libraries shipped by Transarc do not all contain position-independent code, which is necessary in building ATK's dynamic-object shared libraries. Lack of an AFS_ENV might suggest that the Andrew Message Delivery System (AMDS) cannot be built under hp-ux. But it turns out that Andrew compiles without any complaints when AFS_ENV is left undefined, while AMS_DELIVERY_ENV and RUN_AMDS_ENV are both included as compile time build options. AMDS client programs work fairly well when compiled without AFS_ENV, with the single exception of the dropoff routine. Normally, once a user's outgoing mail is deposited in ~/.Outgong, dropoff sends a datagram to the local queuemail daemon instructing it wake up and deliver the contents of the user's outgoing mail queue. Under hp-ux, dropoff has trouble obtaining the host machine's IP address, which is needed in building the queuemail wakeup datagram. Dropoff subsequently fails, leaving a user's outgoing mail deposited in ~/.Outgoing, where it may be picked up later by an AMDS postoffice queuemail daemon running a routine scan of the outgoing mail queues. I think its interesting that AMDS works as well as it does when compiled without AFS_ENV. Furthermore, the dropoff problem doesn't appear related to lack of an AFS_ENV, though I don't know why the droproff procedure, getaddr(), is failing. -Bob \enddata{text,7029024} \enddata{text822, 87184} \begindata{text822, 90531} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:25:39 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 14:19:28 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14005; Mon, 19 Oct 92 14:19:27 -0400 Received: from lupine.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 141748.5277; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:17:48 EDT Received: from grant.ncd.com by lupine.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05731; Mon, 19 Oct 92 09:29:27 PDT Received: by grant.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15644; Mon, 19 Oct 92 09:43:24 PDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.grant.ncd.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.grant.ncd.com.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Olander Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: CUI question I want to execute a CUI command that: 1) reads my mail from /usr/spool/mail/... and places it in ~/Mailbox 2) then exits without further processing. I need this because /usr/spool/mail is on a host that doesn't run Messages. I want the data read into my home directory so that I can read the mail on an HP system that has my home account NFS mounted. I've tried: $cui update\; exit and $cui update \;quit but these always brings me into the CUI READ> interface. -Kris Olander NCD Field SE \enddata{text822, 90531} \begindata{text822, 92828} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from mobius via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mobius via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mobius.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.mobius.sun4_40; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 438+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Kris Olander Subject: Re: CUI question In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,3507448} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Something like $cui set level expert \\; check \\; quit should do it. Actually, CUI is pulling mail from /usr/spool/mail/... into ~/Mailbox and is then pulling it into ~/.MESSAGES/mail with this command, but that's no different from what your ``cui update'' was doing. The key difference is that you use ``cui check'' rather than ``cui update''. You have to ensure that the expertise level is adeqate to run ``check'', though. Craig \enddata{text,3507448} \enddata{text822, 92828} \begindata{text822, 94586} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Received: from VEGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for susan+; Mon, 19 Oct 92 15:03:28 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 15:01:45 EDT From: MESSAGE AGENT Subject: Re: FAQ To: Susan Straub Dear Susan Straub, This is an automatic reply. Feel free to send additional mail, as only this one notice will be generated. The following is a prerecorded message, sent for andi I'm away on vacation, and will address your problem when I return. If there's anything urgent, please contact someone else for help. I suggest: Mail to Help@cs.cmu.edu for questions you'd like answered within a few days. Phone x2607 to report any problem that needs immediate attention. \enddata{text822, 94586} \begindata{text822, 95702} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 15:24:03 EDT Received: from relay.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/910110.SGI) for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu id AA03586; Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:23:54 -0700 Received: from rock.csd.sgi.com by relay.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @sgi.sgi.com:info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu id AA06454; Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:23:47 -0700 Received: from shamu.csd.sgi.com by rock.csd.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/910805.SGI) for @oni.sgi.com:info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu id AA26118; Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:23:45 -0700 Received: by shamu.csd.sgi.com (920110.SGI/910605.CSDSGI) for @rock.csd.sgi.com:info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu id AA02135; Sun, 18 Oct 92 12:38:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 12:38:17 -0700 From: krishna@shamu.csd.sgi.com (Krishna `Shamu' Sethuraman) Message-Id: <9210181938.AA02135@shamu.csd.sgi.com> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew Problems on SGI machines Reply-To: krishna@sgi.com Hi ... I've recently accepted a position at SGI, and I would like to know if there's a list of bugs that Andrew has on SGI machines, both for my own education in case I have to port it myself, as well as to see if I can provide this group some insight as to their possible causes and workarounds or fixes for them. If someone would be so kind as to either cull a bug list for me or point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Many thanks, Krishna Sethuraman krishna@sgi.com \enddata{text822, 95702} \begindata{text822, 97809} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0eslSoO0ts4jE1W5AA@alw.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , krishna@sgi.com Subject: Re: Andrew Problems on SGI machines In-Reply-To: <9210181938.AA02135@shamu.csd.sgi.com> References: <9210181938.AA02135@shamu.csd.sgi.com> We've run into only two major prolems: 1) Source code for "getstats" in andrew/atk/console/stats is missing. This means that Andrew's "console" program won't monitor cpu load activity. 2) Andrew uses the "lockf" system call in certain AMS functions, as will as in its "dofix" utility, which is called extensively when ATK is built from source. "Lockf" doesn't work on NFS-mounted directories under IRIX. If you build ATK or run Andrew applications on an SGI from an NFS-mounted directory, you'll likely encounter errors. -Bob \enddata{text822, 97809} \begindata{text822, 100109} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 22:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 22:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 19 Oct 92 22:00:31 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11433; Mon, 19 Oct 92 18:56:18 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Oct 92 10:53:19 GMT From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!dxcern!dxcern!tbel@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics Subject: Re: CD Rom version running on AIX 3.2 Message-Id: References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Found the problem ... my home directory was NFS mounted and there was a problem with NFS locking on the base machine. It is working now ... Thanks for the help. By the way, has anyone a TeX insert or a version of Andrew that will integrate with a TeX environment ? Tim. -- Tim Bell IBM High Energy Physics European Centre CERN, Geneva, Switzerland TBEL@CERNVM.CERN.CH \enddata{text822, 100109} \begindata{text822, 101900} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 11:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 11:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 21 Oct 92 11:32:39 EDT Received: from hatti5.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se id AA03828; Wed, 21 Oct 92 16:32:19 +0100 Received: by hatti5 id AA03088; Wed, 21 Oct 92 16:32:16 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti5.cs.chalmers.se.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti5.cs.chalmers.se.pmax_ul4; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 16:32:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 16:32:14 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 249+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Four AMS questions 1. Can I have WP without AMDS and AFS ? 2. Can I setup AMS bboards without setting up full AMDS or AFS ? 3. Has anyone ever succeded using the .amsalien = mechanism ? 4. Is there a way of making Messages collect new mail when deiconified? Chris. \enddata{text822, 101900} \begindata{text822, 103859} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from mobius via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 12:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mobius via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 12:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mobius.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.mobius.sun4_40; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 12:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 12:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 618+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Christer Bernerus Subject: Re: Four AMS questions In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,2986584} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 21-Oct-92 Four AMS questions Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (249+0)} \quotation{1. Can I have WP without AMDS and AFS ? } Sure. There's even some AndrewSetup preference to let you install your local WP somewhere other than a pathname beginning with /afs/ . But if you have AFS, it seems senseless not to use it. \quotation{2. Can I setup AMS bboards without setting up full AMDS or AFS ? } Sure. \quotation{3. Has anyone \bold{\italic{ever}} succeded using the .amsalien }\quotation{mechanism ? } Don't know. Never tried. \quotation{4. Is there a way of making Messages collect new mail when deiconified? } Doubt it. You can use CUI for this, though. \enddata{text,2986584} \enddata{text822, 103859} \begindata{text822, 105915} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:22:59 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Wed, 21 Oct 92 15:19:20 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 21 Oct 92 15:19:15 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 21 Oct 92 15:19:13 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 407+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Christer Bernerus Subject: Re: Four AMS questions Cc: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Oct-92 Four AMS question= s Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (249+0) 3. Has anyone ever succeded using the .= amsalien mechanism ? Yes, but it was mind-bogglingly inefficient to run the necessary scavenger dae= mon. I believe that all that is really needed to make this scheme fly is to o= ptimize the scavenging code, but I haven't ever gotten around to doing that. = -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 105915} \begindata{text822, 108314} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 22:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 22:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:57:03 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA04658; Wed, 21 Oct 92 19:33:32 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Oct 92 17:26:58 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Changing prefs on the fly? Message-Id: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Is there some way I can change preferences "on the fly", i.e. only for the current session? For example, once in a while I'd like to change CompileCommand to something other than "make -k" just for one go without having to edit my prefs file, start a new ez, do the make, change my prefs file back to its default state ... Or what about changing bodyfont temporarily so that I don't have to go through the editing and start a new ez? Matthew Wyneken ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 108314} \begindata{text822, 110731} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 04:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 04:05:02 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 04:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 22 Oct 92 04:03:43 EDT Received: from muppet82.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se id AA13456; Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:03:36 +0100 Received: by muppet82.cs.chalmers.se id AA05144; Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:03:33 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muppet82.cs.chalmers.se.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.muppet82.cs.chalmers.se.sun4_41; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:03:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:03:32 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 841+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Four AMS questions Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from AFS: 21-Oct-92 Re: Four AMS questions Craig_Everh= art@transarc. (618+0) Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 21-Oct-92 Fo= ur AMS questions Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (249+0) 1. Can I have WP without AMDS and AFS ? Sure. There's even some AndrewSetup preference to let you install yo= ur local WP somewhere other than a pathname beginning with /afs/ . But if you have AFS, it seems senseless not to use it. Well, not everybody use AFS here, so in this case I'll have to prete= nd that I haven't. 2. Can I setup AMS bboards without setting up full AMDS or A= FS ? Sure. Fine, next question: When I set up bboards without AMDS, what kind of addresses should I use in th= e .MS.DirectPost files to enable posting to bboards. I imagine my sendmail wil= l complain if it receives a posting to bboards+internal.news@cs.chalmers.se. \enddata{text822, 110731} \begindata{text822, 113700} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 08:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 07:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cobia.larc.nasa.gov (cobia.icase.edu) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 22 Oct 92 07:58:50 EDT Received: by cobia.larc.nasa.gov (5.65.1/lanleaf2.4.9) id AA22676; Thu, 22 Oct 92 07:58:17 -0400 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cobia.icase.edu.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.cobia.icase.edu.sun4_41; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Crockett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1033+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: wyneken@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Matthew Wyneken) Subject: Re: Changing prefs on the fly? Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> \begindata{text,1963648} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{global } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 19-Oct-92 Changing prefs on the fly? Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (960)} \quotation{For example, once in a while I'd like to change CompileCommand }\quotation{to something other than "make -k" just for one go without having }\quotation{to edit my prefs file, start a new ez, do the make, change my }\quotation{prefs file back to its default state ... } Assuming that you have something like \example{\smaller{addkey compile-build ^X^E textview}} in your \italic{.ezinit} file, then the sequence \typewriter{\smaller{^U^X^E}} (as opposed to just \typewriter{\smaller{^X^E}}) puts the "CompileCommand" in the message line so you can edit it to anything you like before you fire it off. Furthermore, \italic{ez} remembers the most recent value, so subsequent \typewriter{\smaller{^X^E}} sequences will use that instead of the "CompileCommand". I use this feature \italic{all} the time. \italic{Tom Crockett} \smaller{\bold{ICASE} Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering \smaller{M.S. 132C e-mail: tom@icase.edu NASA Langley Research Center phone: (804) 864-2182 Hampton, VA 23681-0001 } \smaller{ }}\smaller{ } \enddata{text,1963648} \enddata{text822, 113700} \begindata{text822, 116577} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 602;andrew.cmu.edu;Adam Stoller Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 08:15:50 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from commander.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 08:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.commander.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 08:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 08:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Stoller X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2328+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Changing prefs on the fly? In-Reply-To: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> \begindata{text,539153236} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 19-Oct-92 Changing prefs on the fly? Matthew Wyneken@ucbvax.B (959)} \quotation{For example, once in a while I'd like to change CompileCommand to something other than "make -k" just for one go without having to edit my prefs file, start a new ez, do the make, change my prefs file back to its default state ... } Yes/No - From the compile.help file [2nd paragraph specifically] ---------------- \section{Quick reference }\leftindent{ The default command for compile is "build -k", if you wish to use another command (i.e. "make -k"), you can set the ez.CompileComand preference to the comand you wish to execute. For example, the following line in your preferences file will tell compile to use make instead of build: \example{ez.CompileCommand: make -k } If, while running ez, you want to execute some command other than the default, prefix the the ^X^E with a ^U (i.e. ^U^X^E). The compile package will then prompt you for the command to execute. The default will then become the last command that was executed. This can be useful in conjunction with the "-n" flag to egrep. }---------------- Once you use ^U^X^E - each subsequent use of ^X^E will execute that command. Unfortunately I have no idea how to bind the ^U^X^E functionality to a menu-item - but I imagine once used - that any menu-binding you have for compilation should work as described. I also assume, though have not verified, that if you have the compile-build bound to some other key sequence - that using ^U should also work HOWEVER, this is a specific functionality of the compile package - and not general functionality of the toolkit. So unless something has changed recently, I do not believe that you have the ability to modify preferences like font options automatically on a per-session basis without modifying you preferences (or equivalent) file and restarting the application. The one alternative I can think of off-hand is that you can also, say within an individual EZ-buffer - ask to Edit Styles and modify the global font style - and *not* save the file. That would generally have the effect - but not quite the functionality that you are looking for. --fish (I claim no real knowledge of ness, so if it is possible to do what you want via ness I am confident that Fred Hansen will indicate so as soon as he reads this) \enddata{text,539153236} \enddata{text822, 116577} \begindata{text822, 120508} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:46:43 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:45:33 EDT Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:45:31 EDT Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:45:30 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 824+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Christer Bernerus Subject: Re: Four AMS questions Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 22-Oct-92 Re: Four AMS ques= tions Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (841+0) When I set up bboards without AMDS, what kind of addresses should I = use in the .MS.DirectPost files to enable posting to bboards. I imagine my sen= dmail will complain if it receives a posting to bboards+internal.news@cs.chalm= ers.se. I have a non-AMDS bboard setup here at Bellcore. What I use is something like= this: "bb.andrew" andrew@thumper> In standard RFC 822 addresses, the part inside the angle brackets is the real = delivery address. The part in quotes at the front is NOT a comment -- so mail= ers aren't supposed to munge it -- but is not used for delivery, so you can ma= ke it into whatever you want, more or less, and then key on that part in your = FLAMES file for putting things into bboards. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 120508} \begindata{text822, 123396} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from mobius via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 11:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mobius via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mobius.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.mobius.sun4_40; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 11:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8etgdrP0BwwSIX=m5P@transarc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 11:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 685+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , Nathaniel Borenstein Subject: Re: Four AMS questions CC: Christer Bernerus In-Reply-To: References: , \begindata{text,3548400} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Oct-92 Re: Four AMS questions Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (824+0)} \quotation{I imagine my sen}\quotation{dmail will complain if it receives a posting to bboards+internal.news@cs.chalm}\quotation{ers.se. } This is indeed the hangup with not using AMDS. You're basically on your own. Putting the decorated address in a comment is no guarantee that they'll be there once the message is received. (Imagine adding the decoration in a distribution list on site A, to be sent to site B. The decoration won't get to site B.) Of course, you could run AMDS on the site that actually processes the incoming-bboard mail, but it looks like you've already decided against that. Craig \enddata{text,3548400} \enddata{text822, 123396} \begindata{text822, 125653} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 18:02:11 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 306+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Change Bar style attribute \begindata{text,538740896} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} We are planning to accept a patch which will change the name of the ChangeBar style attribute to StrikeThrough (since that is what it does...). The patch will also add support for real change bars. (though not initially an auto change bar mode.) Any objections, or comments? -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,538740896} \enddata{text822, 125653} \begindata{text822, 127143} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 24 Oct 1992 01:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 24 Oct 1992 01:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 24 Oct 92 01:40:11 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11218; Fri, 23 Oct 92 22:28:04 -0700 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Oct 92 09:59:33 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!toivo@uunet.uu.net (Toivo Pedaste) Organization: The University of Westrn Australia Subject: messages - question Message-Id: <1c0la5INNo9b@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I've compiled up the andrew software on my workstation and am trying out the the mail system - messages specifically. Sending mail works fine but I have been quite unable to work out how to receive mail. Is there some way to persuade it to look in /usr/spool/mail/ or is there another program you have to run to insert it into the .MESSAGES directory. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Toivo Pedaste Email: toivo@ucs.uwa.edu.au University Computing Services, Phone: +61 9 380 2605 University of Western Australia Fax: +61 9 380 1014 \enddata{text822, 127143} \begindata{text822, 129039} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1992 23:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1992 23:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeta.saintjoe.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sun, 25 Oct 92 23:49:16 EST Received: by zeta.saintjoe.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA05131; Sun, 25 Oct 92 22:47:19 CST Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.zeta.saintjoe.edu.sun3.4 via MS.5.6.zeta.saintjoe.edu.sun3_4; Sun, 25 Oct 92 22:47:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 92 22:47:18 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Davisson To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Name validation with Messages Hello Andrew folk! I am having a problem getting Messages to recognize my aliases which I am creating in /etc/aliases. I 'make' the aliases file and normal "mail " recognizes the aliases and sends the message to the respective recipients but Messages does not. Any suggestions? Mark Davisson - SJC Student Administrator markd@zeta.saintjoe.edu How come it's always "a penny for your thoughts" and "put your two cents in".... Someone's making money on this. \enddata{text822, 129039} \begindata{text822, 130709} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:35:43 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:35:40 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for munnari.oz.au!uniwa!toivo@uunet.uu.net; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:35:39 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: messages - question Cc: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!toivo@uunet.uu.net (Toivo Pedaste) In-Reply-To: <1c0la5INNo9b@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> References: <1c0la5INNo9b@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> It should be able to read mail from /usr/spool/mail/your-id with no problem -- that's how most people, including me, use it. Probably you've got it slightly mis-configured. Try "help andrewsetup" for more information. In particular, you should make sure you are NOT configured to use AMDS, the Andrew Message Delivery System, which bypasses /usr/spool/mail entirely. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 130709} \begindata{text822, 132899} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:43:38 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:37:48 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:37:46 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 26 Oct 92 09:37:46 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:37:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 09:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Name validation with Messages In-Reply-To: References: In general, Andrew doesn't look in /etc/aliases or /usr/lib/aliases. I don't know about the former, but the latter is delivery-system-level aliasing, and should take effect during delivery even if it doesn't affect the validation stage inside messages. For the validation stage, you want personal aliases, which go in the ~/.AMS_aliases file. Try "help ms-aliases" for more details. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 132899} \begindata{text822, 135058} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:12:55 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cobia.larc.nasa.gov (cobia.icase.edu) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 28 Oct 92 09:08:08 EST Received: by cobia.larc.nasa.gov (5.65.1/lanleaf2.4.9) id AA09343; Wed, 28 Oct 92 09:07:58 -0500 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cobia.icase.edu.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.cobia.icase.edu.sun4_41; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Crockett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1052+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Name validation with Messages In-Reply-To: References: \begindata{text,1615632} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \define{global } \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Oct-92 Re: Name validation with Me.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (402*)} \quotation{In general, Andrew doesn't look in /etc/aliases or /usr/lib/aliases. } I don't believe this is true. I remember working on this section of code a couple of years ago to get it to look in the YP aliases database, in addition to \italic{/usr/lib/aliases}. The stuff I did was cleaned up and incorporated into subsequent releases. As I recall, the pathname \italic{/usr/lib/aliases} was hardcoded at that time; you might need to hack the code to get it to look in \italic{/etc/aliases} (or else just symlink \italic{/usr/lib/aliases} to point to \italic{/etc/aliases}). You can specify \typewriter{YELLOWPAGES_ENV} in your \italic{site.h} file to turn on the YP code. I don't believe this feature ever made it into the documentation. \italic{Tom Crockett} \smaller{\bold{ICASE} Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering \smaller{M.S. 132C e-mail: tom@icase.edu NASA Langley Research Center phone: (804) 864-2182 Hampton, VA 23681-0001 } \smaller{ }}\smaller{ } \enddata{text,1615632} \enddata{text822, 135058} \begindata{text822, 138012} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:44:30 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 10:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Name validation with Messages In-Reply-To: References: > Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Oct-92 Re: Name validation with > Me.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (402*) >> In general, Andrew doesn't look in /etc/aliases or /usr/lib/aliases. > I don't believe this is true. I remember working on this section of > code a couple of years ago to get it to look in the YP aliases database, > in addition to /usr/lib/aliases. You can direct non-AMDS messages to consult /usr/lib/aliases for local address validation by specifying "AMS_AliasesValidation: yes" in the AndrewSetup configuration file. Using this configuration option, alias names will validate as "alias_name@ThisDomain", where "ThisDomain" refers to the AMS postoffice machine name. Mail sent to such addresses will be delivered first to the AMS postoffice machine, where sendmail will resolve the alias and forward the mail as specified in the postoffice machine's /usr/lib/aliases file. So, as long as the AMS client uses the same aliases file as the AMS postoffice machine, messages address validation via /usr/lib/aliases will work. (The delivery process involves an extra routing hop, however). -Bob \enddata{text822, 138012} \begindata{text822, 140925} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 11:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 11:23:08 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 11:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 28 Oct 92 11:11:30 EST Received: from greenbush.bellcore.com by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 28 Oct 92 11:11:28 EST Received: by greenbush.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 28 Oct 92 11:11:27 EST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.greenbush.galaxy.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.greenbush.galaxy.sun4_41; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Borenstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Name validation with Messages In-Reply-To: References: Oops, mea culpa. I guess it has been too long since I looked at that code for me to go shooting off my mouth without reading it. Sorry. -- Nathaniel \enddata{text822, 140925} \begindata{text822, 142921} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 21:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 21:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 28 Oct 92 21:29:02 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA08045; Wed, 28 Oct 92 18:26:55 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 92 02:25:28 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Anthony Yen) Organization: Coffee R Us Subject: HELP: Display Problems Under Andrew/SPARCserver 670MP Message-Id: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hmm, after an embarrassingly inept attempt to install Andrew that Craig straightened out, I find that I can't print or preview anything. So, I went back and tried several things just to be sure that I wasn't being an ignoramus again. Well, I give up. To be on the safe side though, before I think I've encountered a bug, I'd like to ask this group if anyone is currently running Andrew on a SPARCserver 670MP (2-processor) or SPARCstation 2, under SunOS 4.1.2, and successfully previewing and printing documents produced with ez. -- ____ tyen@cs.utexas.edu.....Kowabunga!... /ony -- Claimer: Views expressed here == mine && only mine. Sail tough. \enddata{text822, 142921} \begindata{text822, 144893} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 22:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 22:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zero.ucc.su.OZ.AU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 28 Oct 92 22:35:29 EST Received: by zero.ucc.su.OZ.AU id AA00673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Thu, 29 Oct 1992 14:28:16 +1100 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 14:25:26 +1100 (EST) From: Nicholas Andrew Comanos Subject: Re: HELP: Display Problems Under Andrew/SPARCserver 670MP To: Anthony Yen Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII By the way, the fax printing should work. If you have any problems, please report them to me. Also finger should be working now. Remember to use the address: item%shop@dir.su.oz.au or item%shop@dir.su.edu.au Note: If you are withing Sydney University and your software supports it, you may be able to leave off the .su.oz.au part. Thanks Nick Comanos -- Nicholas Comanos Information Services, H08 Email: nickyc@ucc.su.oz.au Cnr Codrington and Boundary Lane Phone: +61 2 6923495 University of Sydney FAX: +61 2 6606557 NSW, Australia 2006 \enddata{text822, 144893} \begindata{text822, 146906} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 02:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 02:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 29 Oct 92 02:30:03 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA24445; Wed, 28 Oct 92 23:25:49 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 92 13:09:05 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!fhg!ise.fhg.de!sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!wyneken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Wyneken) Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland Subject: Annoying delay when loading fonts Message-Id: <1992Oct5.130905.26669@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I'm running ATK on Sparcstations under Openwindows 3 as well as X11 R5. My problem is that I occasionally get eternally long delays (up to 5 seconds :-) when viewing formatted text, such as in the help files. The lags seem to come at font changes in the text. I at first thought that maybe fonts were being resized but then I noticed that the delays also come for font sizes that have already been created and are in the font path. Can anybody tell me what is causing the lags? Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | Universitaet Freiburg | e-mail: Friedrichstr. 50 | mpw@supreme.coling.uni-freiburg.de W - 7800 Freiburg | Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Matthew Wyneken Deutsches Seminar I | Tel.: ++49-761-2034897 Linguistische Informatik | \enddata{text822, 146906} \begindata{text822, 149337} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 05:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU via qmail ID ; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 20:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4.mach via MS.5.6.LOAN1.SP.CS.CMU.EDU.sun4_mach; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 20:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 20:16:59 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 380+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: dag@atomica.fi Subject: Re: Include files in ez ? CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <1992Oct28.170435.2970@atomica.fi> References: <1992Oct28.170435.2970@atomica.fi> \begindata{text,6315136} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 28-Oct-92 Include files in ez ? Dag Nygren@atomica.fi (678)} \quotation{is there any way of getting an effect like #include when using ez ? } \quotation{I would like to have a document made with one relatively stable part }\quotation{including table references to quite frequently updated tables. } Make it a template. Try: % \bold{help templates} Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,6315136} \enddata{text822, 149337} \begindata{text822, 151074} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu3.psi.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:26:39 EST Received: from panix.com by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) id AA07514; Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:26:30 -0500 Received: by panix.com (5.64/A/UX-2.01-AMR) id AA21570; Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:08:47 EST From: miner@panix.com (Ed Miner) Message-Id: <9210292108.AA21570@panix.com> Subject: Question concerning EZ and EZprint To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:08:47 EST Yes, hello, I will be shortly ordering the andrew cdrom, we have a number of workstations on site here, including suns, decs, etc. My question concerns printing EZ documents? What will have to be done to our printers so that the EZ documents can be printed using the EZprint command? Currently we have a printer hooked up that can accept nroff/troff files and thats it. Is there postscript support? will there be? Has someone written a tool to do nroff/troff to postscript? Any help will be extremely appreciated. thanks, edward miner miner@panix.com \enddata{text822, 151074} \begindata{text822, 152738} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 3653+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Question concerning EZ and EZprint In-Reply-To: <9210292108.AA21570@panix.com> References: <9210292108.AA21570@panix.com> \begindata{text,538979684} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} The following fragment of the faq contains some useful info re: printing. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \bold{Q9. How can I print Andrew documents?} \leftindent{ Printing requires two steps, text formatting and then driving the printer. ATK utilizes troff for text formatting. That is adequate for printing documents with styled texts, but some insets such as rasters and zip require that the printer be driven with PostScript. Print processing is controlled via the FormatCommand and PrintCommand options, which can be specified in site.h during system build, the global preferences in $ANDREWDIR/lib/global.prf, or the user's ~/preferences file. The most general defaults are: \leftindent{*.FormatCommand: eqn -Tpsc /tmp/%s.n | troff -Tpsc - | *.PrintCommand: lpr -n }The -Tpsc flags specify that the troff output is ultimately intended for a PostScript printer. If you do not have one, this value must be set to whatever is appropriate for your printer. ATK documents containing only styled text can be printed via most versions of troff and most print drivers. To print ATK documents via PostScript printers, you have three options: troff - psroff ditroff - psdit groff These differ in cost and the difficulty of installation. See Q8 for hints on acquiring these packages. \italic{troff - psroff} Standard Unix systems are often delivered with an old troff which generates output for the "CAT" typesetter. This troff can be used to print ATK documents by sending the output through the psroff processor, available freely on the internet. See the psroff documentation. \italic{ditroff - psdit} This is the route we use at CMU. \italic{ditroff} is the device independent troff which comes with the Documenters Work Bench portion of Unix System V. \italic{psdit} is part of the "Transcript" package available from Adobe software. Both ditroff and Transcript cost money. Adjust the FormatCommand to utilize the ditroff version of troff (it is usually called \italic{troff}). The PrintCommand should usually use the -n switch and the lpr daemon will run psdit. }\italic{ }\leftindent{\italic{groff } This package is free from the Free Software Foundation, the gnu people. The only hitch is that to build \italic{groff} you must first build \italic{g++} and to build \italic{g++} you must first build \italic{gcc}. We have compiled groff without any problems with g++-1.39.1. g++ also compiled gpic, geqn, gtbl. Groff includes gtroff to do text formatting and grops to generate PostScript. To To use both, have this specification: *.formatcommand: groff -pte -E /tmp/%s.n | *.PrintCommand: lpr -v Note: The -pte switches tell it to run gpic, gtbl, and geqn before running gtroff. The output of gtroff is automatically piped into grops, which generates the PostScript. (This assumes that /usr/gnu/bin (or wherever groff is installed) is on one's path.) The drawback of this simple approach is that the ATK preview option will no longer work. To retain the preview command, I believe, one can use specifications something like this: *.FormatCommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | gpic|gtbl|geqn|gtroff -Tpsc | *.PrintCommand: grops | lpr -v } \bold{Q10. Ezprint outputs rasters in PostScript. Can I print those rasters?} \leftindent{If you just want to print one raster from an Andrew document, you can extract the raster from the troff output with a raw text editor and print it directly. You may have to add the line 20 20 translate to get it out of the bottom corner. You may also have to add an initial line containing only %! If you haven't got a postscript printer, the raster image can still be massaged with the pbm package. pbm understands the Andrew format or you can use the output of ezprint -t which will include the raster encoded in PostScript / hex form. } \enddata{text,538979684} \enddata{text822, 152738} \begindata{text822, 157902} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 30 Oct 1992 02:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Oct 1992 02:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 30 Oct 92 02:06:58 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA02051; Thu, 29 Oct 92 22:59:51 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 23 Oct 92 02:33:20 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: Changing prefs on the fly? Message-Id: <1992Oct23.023320.7978@adobe.com> References: <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1992Oct19.172658.28951@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> wyneken@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Matthew Wyneken) writes: [...] > For example, once in a while I'd like to change CompileCommand > to something other than "make -k" just for one go without having > to edit my prefs file, start a new ez, do the make, change my > prefs file back to its default state ... You used to be able to prefix the compile-command with ^U if you are typing it from the keyboard and have it prompt you for a compilation command. It would then use that command until you either changed it again or quit ez. My defense for this is James Gosling's quote "Besides, you can learn to love anything." Look it up in the Gosling Emacs manual. (If I recall its refering to a different UI grot but the sentiment applies.) -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson \enddata{text822, 157902} \begindata{text822, 160249} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 02:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 31 Oct 92 02:09:47 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA05379; Fri, 30 Oct 92 23:07:51 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 28 Oct 92 17:04:35 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac (Dag Nygren) Organization: Oy Atomica Ab, ESBO, FINLAND Subject: Include files in ez ? Message-Id: <1992Oct28.170435.2970@atomica.fi> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi, is there any way of getting an effect like #include when using ez ? I would like to have a document made with one relatively stable part including table references to quite frequently updated tables. Because there are several different documents that need the same updated references, I would like to have only one file to update when getting new table values. I tried to use the hyperlink feature, but this has the problem that the linked files wont be printed together with the base document. Is there a solution out there ( or even already here )? -- Dag Nygren email: dag@atomica.fi Oy Atomica Ab or santra!atomica!dag Box 22 (Ahventie 4A) 02170 Esbo \enddata{text822, 160249} \begindata{text822, 162354} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 2 Nov 1992 18:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 2 Nov 1992 18:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 2 Nov 92 18:31:24 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA23514; Mon, 2 Nov 92 15:17:05 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 92 18:14:35 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!hecto!irani@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Erach A. Irani) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Subject: Problems with printing/previewing an ez file, copy rasters Message-Id: <1992Oct29.181435.3620@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I'm having problems printing/previewing an ez file 1. Previewing (even using the finger run-demo@) of README.ez supplied with Andrew displays *nothing*. Trying to print on a apple IIg printer, results in some bytes (about 2000) being spooled but nothing gets printed. Trying to preview the file by running troff and then trying to view the troff output gives nothing. Regarding rasters: How do we copy rasters from any portion of the screen / include sun-rasters. Does it take grey-scale images or only black-and-white images. Thanks in advance, Erach (irani@mail.cs.umn.edu) -- Phone : (Home) (612) 341-4436 Work : (612) 626-7502 InterNet : irani@cs.umn.edu UUCP: uunet!umn-cs!irani Post: Erach A.Irani; 1630 S. 6th Street, #D409; Minneapolis, MN 55454 \enddata{text822, 162354} \begindata{text822, 164563} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 2 Nov 1992 20:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 2 Nov 1992 20:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 2 Nov 92 20:26:01 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28580; Mon, 2 Nov 92 17:06:21 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 92 18:48:46 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!hecto!irani@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Erach A. Irani) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Subject: Read FAQ, printing problem, have groff, troff Message-Id: <1992Oct29.184846.4270@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I read the FAQ and did several experiments with groff / troff but cannot print README.ez Can someone send me a command line (without using ezprint) but using groff/troff directly saying how to print it. Thanks, Erach -- Phone : (Home) (612) 341-4436 Work : (612) 626-7502 InterNet : irani@cs.umn.edu UUCP: uunet!umn-cs!irani Post: Erach A.Irani; 1630 S. 6th Street, #D409; Minneapolis, MN 55454 \enddata{text822, 164563}