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GDB 4.x includes support for SunOS 4.x dynamically-loaded code, both
shared libraries and "dlopen()"ed stuff.  GDB 4.1 handles shared
libraries better, in that it automatically finds them; you still have
to use the "sharedlibrary" command to load up the symbol tables for
stuff loaded up by "dlopen()" - "sharedlibrary", with no arguments,
appears to find every shareable object that's been "dlopen()"ed since
the last time it checked, and read its symbols in.

There is a bug in GDB 4.1 where it doesn't set the "end of text" address
in the "partial symbol table" entry for a shareable object correctly; it
relocates the *beginning of text* address to put it where the object was
actually loaded, but not the end of text address.  One consequence of
this is that you can't always (can't ever?) step into a routine in a
"dlopen()"ed shareable object.  The following patch appears to fix that
(and has been sent to "bug-gdb"):

*** dbxread.c.dist	Fri Sep 20 23:47:25 1991
--- dbxread.c	Mon Sep 30 18:20:27 1991
***************
*** 1708,1714 ****
  #ifdef END_OF_TEXT_DEFAULT
    end_of_text_addr = END_OF_TEXT_DEFAULT;
  #else
!   end_of_text_addr = text_addr + text_size;
  #endif
  
    symtab_input_desc = desc;	/* This is needed for fill_symbuf below */
--- 1708,1714 ----
  #ifdef END_OF_TEXT_DEFAULT
    end_of_text_addr = END_OF_TEXT_DEFAULT;
  #else
!   end_of_text_addr = text_addr + addr + text_size;	/* Relocate */
  #endif
  
    symtab_input_desc = desc;	/* This is needed for fill_symbuf below */
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Subject: AMS captions searching problem 

The latest release of AMS seems to have a problem searching captions. 
It does not seem to be able to find a caption if that caption has not
been revealed since I have switched into a mailbox.  

For example I can switch into a folder in which a I have many pieces
from a given address.  If I do a reverse search on that persons name I
will find the two or three pieces of mail that already have the captions
revealed, but then further reverse searching fails.  If I scroll back
revealing more captions from this person, then reverse searching seems
to find those but starts failing at the furthest point I scrolled back
to.

Is this just a problem at this site.  Have other people noticed it?  Am
I misinterpretting how searching should work?

                             Mark R. Leeper
                          leeper@mtgzy.att.com,
                             +1 908 957 5619
                         AT&T Bell Laboratories,
                       MT 3D-441, 200 Laurel Ave,
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I haven't tried out the new version yet, but this is an eminently likely
bug for someone to have introduced.  The captions code includes a
"virtual scroll bar" that lets you scroll backwards through the captions
without retreiving them all first -- it retrieves them as needed. 
Things that need to go back, like reverse searching, first call a
routine that basically says "fill in all the old captions -- never mind
the 'virtual' part."  A bug like the one you describe would have been
introduced if someone changed it to be calling textview_ReverseScroll
(or whatever it is called) instead of captions_ReverseScroll (or
whatever it is called). 

Did anyone at the ITC play with these functions in the latest release? 
That would almost certainly account for the bug... -- Nathaniel
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My build in pobbconf seems to be hanging on an awk:

(file pobb-install.msh)

	echo "startup" | awk -f config.awk.msh > startup.awkout

startup.awkout never seems to get changed when I "ls -l."  After
communicating with someone else who has installed Andrew, I have
discovered that this is a known problem that has a patch, but
he's forgotten what it is.  Does anyone remember?
 
This is similar to the problem I encountered when building my
binary tree for the white pages.  The "newbt" program supplied
by the Release 10 distribution doesn't work and will hang also.
(Has this been fixed?) 
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 27-Sep-91 Re: printing 
Fred Hansen (919+0)}


\quotation{To use this, I put in my .atkinit (or whatever) the lines (the 
first of which is only needed once in the file):

}
\quotation{load ness

}\quotation{call ness-load /afs/andrew/usr13/wjh/nesslib/printselection.n

}
\quotation{Then when I want to print a piece of a file, I select it and choose 
the menu option PrintSelection from the File menu card.

}

I did what Fred said in his post about adding the PrintSelection menu option 
to print a section of a document.  However, it seems the .atkinit and my 
.ezinit conflict with each other.  The menu option does not appear in ez when 
I have a .ezinit file (but it appears in other ATK programs like messages), 
but if I rename my .ezinit file, the menu option appears.


Is it not possible to have a .atkinit and a .ezinit at the same time?  Should 
I just remove my .ezinit file (since it really doesn't do anything anyway)? 
 Can I move the lines from my .atkinit to my .ezinit file?


Dave\
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Gillen (973+0)}


\quotation{I did what Fred said in his post about adding the PrintSelection 
menu option to print a section of a document.  However, it seems the .atkinit 
and my .ezinit conflict with each other.  The menu option does not appear in 
ez when I have a .ezinit file (but it appears in other ATK programs like 
messages), but if I rename my .ezinit file, the menu option appears.

}
I think that you want to put the line in your .atkinit and then include your 
.atkinit in your .ezinit:


% cat .ezinit

include /afs/andrew/usr/dg2y/.atkinit

<other stuff>

%

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Is there some machine I can ftp pieces of andrew from, so that I
don't have to use the andrew archive server?

Sorry if this is not an appropriate alias to send this message to.
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Printing documents from within an AMS messages window is sometimes encumbered 
with lengthly delays.


Selecting \italic{print} from the pop-up menu initiates a message-line display 
at the bottom of the messages window which reads,  "message queued for 
printing".  However, several minutes, sometimes many minutes, elapse before 
ezprint is evoked, as indicated by a console display which reads, "Starting 
ezprint".


What causes this skewed, and sometimes lengthly delay in starting ezprint from 
a messages window?



Bob Dew

National Institutes of Health

Bethesda, MD  20814\
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From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
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Subject: Re: slow printing from messages
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This all stems from an attempt to be "ecologically correct".

The original problem was that when people printed a lot of mesages, and
ezprint was started immediately for each one, each one generated (on CMU
printers) its own cover sheet.  This was incredibly wasteful -- the
typical message was one page, so it doubled the paper use.  So, I
implemented a messages-to-print queue.  When Messages queues things for
printing, it just writes them somewhere (~/.MS.ToPrintMumble..).  Then,
periodically, if there are things in that queue, it prints them.  This
means that if you print 10 messages in rapid succession, they'll print
as a single job with a single cover sheet.

Now, when does this happen?  Oh, whenever.  Seriously, there are several
options that can control this, notably CheckpointFrequency.  One option
even turns off delayed printing altogether, reinstating the
paper-wasting but immediate printing behavior (and perfectly suitable if
your printer doesn't generate cover sheets anyway).  I don't remember
for sure, but that's something like "*.DelayPrinting: no".

Before you take that drastic a step, however, why not consider doing
what I do:  In general, live with the delays, but if you ever need the
printouts urgently, type the following to the UNIX shell:

cui quit

This starts the cui program, the dumb-terminal interface to AMS, but
immediately exits it.  One of the thing its exit-procressing does is to
kick any pending print requests to the printer.  Thus you can use it as
an "empty the AMS print queue" command if you're so inclined.

Hope that helps.  -- Nathaniel
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Nathaniel only seems to remember half the problem -- As I recall it, the other 
problem is that people were running Messages on machines with only 3 megs of 
memory - and having Messages running and starting up \italic{N} ezprint 
processes could easily cause the machine to thrash.


Even with larger machines it was questionable as to how much it was okay to 
thrash the machine.


Enter the LoadAverage code which attempts to make sure that the load average 
on the workstation is below a certain point before firing off the print jobs. 
 If you quit Messages it will attempt to fire it off regardless of the load 
average.


(I don't remember the details of what the target load average is, etc. -- but 
it's in the code somewhere......;=)


Regardless of which reason - the 'cui quit' works around it.


--fish

(at cmu it was more often 'rem -any cui q' -- which found a remote machine 
that wasn't being used, to startup and imediately quite cui - forcing the 
printing processes to be run on that workstation instead of the local one - 
clever eh? [rem is a local-to-cmu program])

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 4-Oct-91 Re: slow 
printing from mess.. Adam Stoller@andrew.cmu. (1063+0)}


\quotation{Nathaniel only seems to remember half the problem

}
Well, perhaps Nathaniel only has half a brain... Thanks for filling in the 
rest, Adam!  -- Nathaniel

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Here are the relevant preference descriptions:


\bold{AlwaysPrintImmediately:\italic{ no}}

\leftindent{Controls whether print requests from within Messages are sent to 
the printer as soon as possible.  The default is setting of "no" means that 
the Message System program waits until you quit it before printing any 
messages, putting them all together in one print job, and giving you only one 
header page.  A setting of "yes" means each message is sent as soon as 
possible after you choose to print it, giving you a header page for each.  

}\leftindent{
}\bold{DelayPrinting:\italic{ no}}

\leftindent{Controls when your message printing requests get sent to a 
printer.  With a "no" setting, Messages waits until it thinks your machine 
load is "light" before printing messages.  With a "yes" setting, the message 
program you are running will never print the messages you want printed until 
you quit the program.  With the option set to "yes," you can force a print at 
any time while you are using the program by moving into the typescript and 
typing 


\leftindent{cui quit}


(which starts and quits CUI, forcing the pending prints to go out).}


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Subject: Inaccurate folder clicking

In messages, If your mouse click is more than about 3 pixels below the
bottom entry in the folders window, you get the "What do you want to do
with ...?" dialog box instead of the folder contents.  This doesn't
happen, oddly enough, when the last folder is inaccurately clicked on.

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From: cameron@cs.adelaide.edu.au

Three problems.

Site Description
Sun Sparcstation 2 (server)
SunOS 4.1.1
X11R4
Andrew @ patchlevel 10
Student Laboratories populated with Xterminals.


1. Printing
Is it possible to change the name of the temporary file
used during the format->print pipe from /tmp/%s.n to
something more unique (e.g. /tmp/%s.<uid>.n)?
This is essential in an Xterminal environment.

2. Menu Pointer
Could somebody point me to the code that displays the arrow
when the cascading menus appear? It is appearing in reverse
video on our Xterminals which causes no end of confusion
since a white arrow on a white background is quite
"traumatic" for users. I am assuming that it is displayed
using GXor which apparently is slightly buggy in the X
server on our Xterminals but can be tweaked to give correct
output (so I'm told anyway).

3. Groff for printing
I have currently configured andrew to use groff to print
documents from ez,eq and table. It doesn't appear to handle
encapsulated PostScript however which is necessary when
printing zip figures (and rasters I guess). I seem to
remember somebody coming up which a script (possibly in
perl) which allowed groff to print zip figures. 
Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks
-Cameron
Cameron Humphries
Department of Computer Science         email: cameron@cs.adelaide.edu.au
The University of Adelaide	       phone: +61 +8 228 5583
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From: cameron@cs.adelaide.edu.au

Site description:
Sun Sparcstation 2
SunOS 4.1.1
X11R4
andrew @ patchlevel 10

Example session
---------------

achilles[cameron] /users/cs/cameron ==> which ispell
/usr/local/gnu/bin/ispell
achilles[cameron] /users/cs/cameron ==> cat .atkinit
addmenu "spell-check-document" "Search/Spell~1,Check Spelling~30" textview
achilles[cameron] /users/cs/cameron ==> 

If I now run ez and select "Check Spelling" it crashes.

Have I missed something?

No I haven't compiled with -g. That will is my next choice.

Thanks
-Cameron
Cameron Humphries
Department of Computer Science         email: cameron@cs.adelaide.edu.au
The University of Adelaide	       phone: +61 +8 228 5583
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I have been trying to install Andrew on SCO unix, with no success yet.
There have been problems with missing libraries and with preprocessor
symbols. cc causes functions to collide with macros, while gcc would not
accept some variable redefinitions. Can anybody help me out ?

                                 Thank you for your attention

                                                    Michael Kedem
                                                    Electrical Engineering
                                                    University of Ottawa
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I think that this is actually an oddity in, believe it or not, the TEXTVIEW
code.  Why?  Because the captions and folders views are just subviews of
textview, and they leave all the low-level mouse analysis to textview.  They
then look to see where "dot" has been put, and use that to figure out 
what to do.  In this case, if you click a few pixels below the last visible
entry, textview seems to decide that the hit actually appeared somewhere
else.  (You may notice it has the wrong folder name in the dialog box
often, too!)

I can't swear this is right, because I haven't looked at the code for years,
and right now I'm using CUI over a slow-bandwidth link, but my recollection
is that this is basically a textview problem.  I'm sure someone will tell
me if I'm wrong... -- Nathaniel
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Subject: Andrew for SCO Unix 

I was wonder if (or when) Andrew will work under SCO Unix (or any other
DOS box version of Unix).

Any information would be appreciated.

-Russ
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Dear Sir,
I am conducting a research in multimedia systems for CAI. The hardware
platform is a Silicon Graphics IRIS Indigo computer running IRIX 4.0 as
operating system which should be X Window compatible. Is Andrew Toolkit
available for the above platform? What is the easiest way for me to get
a copy of ATK?
Many Thanks
Fai
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Hi,

  Recently we obtained the Andrew Distribution. Now we would like to know about
books concerning this toolkit. Is it possible to give us a list of books 
(ISBN number, ...) describing this toolkit?

Thanks in advance,


Dominique Delaere                   Email : delaere@esat.kuleuven.ac.be
Wilfried Houtput                            houtput@esat.kuleuven.ac.be
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Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 7-Oct-91 BOOKS concerning ANDREW ???
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>   Recently we obtained the Andrew Distribution. Now we would like to know about
> books concerning this toolkit. Is it possible to give us a list of books 
> (ISBN number, ...) describing this toolkit?

[WARNING: Self-serving reply follows]

If you're interested in Andrew *programming* (as opposed to just using
the tools, which is what most people are interested in) there's the
following:

Multimedia Applications Development with the Andrew Toolkit
by Nathaniel S. Borenstein (ahem)
Prentice-Hall, 1990
ISBN # 0-13 036633-1

It doesn't really have much of anything for non-programmers, however. 
For that, the documentation and technical articles are probably your
best bet.

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Our latest release supports SGI computers running IRIX 4.0. ATK is available 
via any of the standard X11R5 contrib mechanisms, via anonymous ftp to 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62), and through the mail (send email to 
andrew-service+@andrew.cmu.edu).


--david

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Hi,
	What is the standard distribution site for andrew? Is it
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu or export.lcs.mit.edu?

Steve.
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}\quotation{emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu or export.lcs.mit.edu?

}
Releases that coincide with MIT releases (X11R5 for example) are to be found 
on both export and emsworth.  Patches to those MIT releases are only to be 
found on emsworth.


Gary Keim

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X11R5 file on export, README/README.ez refer to these files for
config:

DEC MIPS			Ultrix 3.0			pmax_3
DEC MIPS			Ultrix 4.1			pmax_41
DEC MIPS			Ultrix 4.2			pmax_42

however on my box:

brolga% ls  -d /usr/local/src//andrew/config/pm*
/usr/local/src/andrew/config/pmax_3         
/usr/local/src/andrew/config/pmax_41
/usr/local/src/andrew/config/pmax_ul4
brolga%

Brief perusal of pmax_ul4 makes me suspect its pmax_42, but it might prove
confusing! 


	-George
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Is there, or has someone out there implemented an 'undo' feature for ez?

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There is an undocumented ez command line parameter "+nnn" that, at startup,
positions ez at line nnn in the file (a la emacs).  This should probably be
documented in the ez help, including how to get around it for filenames such
as +AcxOM6w91HumIw3iBD (\typewriter{ez ./+AcxOM6w91HumIw3iBD}).


Wayne Richardson

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This is, I believe, an artifact of a decision made at Transarc (the people who 
are marketing and developing AFS).  They call the system pmax_ul4, so we do 
too.  It would be a hassle for us if we used a different name.  But perhaps we 
should have pmax_42 and make pmax_ul4 a link to it.


-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group

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\quotation{Brief perusal of pmax_ul4 makes me suspect its pmax_42, but it 
might prove confusing! 

}
The README is incorrect and should state that the system files for Ultrix 4.2 
are in andrew/config/pmax_ul4.  


-Susan

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emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu, our ftp server, is down.  We will post a notice when
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From: mcsun!unido!mcshh!rrzbu!arne@uunet.uu.net  (Arne Ludwig)
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klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes:
>... Retrieving this file by
>FTP is a pain. It has a size of 10 MBytes, and at least I had problems with
>it: Several times I tried to get it, and several times FTP got stuck
>anywhere.

RFC959 specifies a facility that allows partially transferred requests to
be continued at the point where they have been aborted. The MIT ftpd does
support this facility. Using a modern Berkeley client, it is invoked with
"restart" followed by "get" or simply "reget".
-- 
Arne Ludwig		arne@rrzbu.hanse.de	...uunet!??????!rrzbu!arne
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In article <3883@laura.UUCP> klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
(Rainer Klute) writes:

   [about problems when FTPing multi-megabyte files to Germany]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to mirror the /contrib directory on some
other servers (on this side of the pond).  Using the "mirror" package
on src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/archiving/mirror.shar, this should not be too
difficult.  Perhaps some of the people that provided the official FTP
servers for the MIT R5 distribution have some disk space left...
-- 
Simon.
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The ATK Group plans to announce the availability of Release 5.0 of Andrew
within the next few days.  We will place a split version of the Andrew tree
on export as well as emsworth.  Since the version currently on export may 
differ slightly from the actual MIT tape, we suggest that you wait until our
announcement before picking up a copy.  

Thanks, 

Susan 
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.. Simon Leinen@uunet.uu.ne (508)}



\quotation{Wouldn't it be a good idea to mirror the /contrib directory on some

}\quotation{other servers (on this side of the pond).  Using the "mirror" 
package

}\quotation{on src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/archiving/mirror.shar, this should not be too

}\quotation{difficult.  Perhaps some of the people that provided the official 
FTP

}\quotation{servers for the MIT R5 distribution have some disk space left...

}\quotation{-- 

}\quotation{Simon.

}
emsworth is mirrored to src.doc.ic.ac.uk in the directory 
\bold{graphics/andrew}. It isn't all there yet, but soon will be.


Steve.

-----

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Department of Computing, Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine,

180 Queen's Gate, London SW7. Phone : 071 589 5111 x5085, Fax : 071 581 8024 

Email: sjl@doc.ic.ac.uk     Hold the MAYO & pass the COSMIC AWARENESS...

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From: rsg1.er.usgs.gov!ornl!tdum.ctd.ornl.gov!jnm@g.ms.uky.edu  (Jamey Maze)
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I just subscribed to this newsgroup. I would like to get some info on Andrew EZ,
which I understand is a UNIX-based word processor. Would someone e-mail me enough
info to get me jump-started. At this point, I'm not interested in the big
picture, just this one application. Also, if there's a list of answers to FAQ's
(Frequently Asked Questions) that I could read, that would help too...

Thanks!


-- 
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"Years ago my mother said to me, 'In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so
 smart or oh so pleasant.' For years I was smart. I recommend pleasant." 
        	- Elwood P. Dowd, "Harvey"
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From: borg!news_server!menges@mcnc.org  (John Menges)
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Let me rephrase that.  What I want to do is to convert lots of files,
each of which contains a bunch of messages in emacs RMAIL or ucb mail
format, into AMS folders.  I already have scripts that convert between
RMAIL and ucb mail formats.
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Does anyone have a program that converts regular emacs (RMAIL) or ucb
mail files to AMS format?  Or can anyone point me to a reasonable way
to do this?
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The "eatmail" program, which is included in the "contrib" directory in
recent releases, can be used to convert a UCB mail-format file into a
directory full of one-file-per-message.  If the directory you point it
at is an AMS message directory, you can then use the CUI reconstruct
command to rebuild the index files and complete the conversion into an
AMS folder.
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To convert UCB mail to AMS mail, I set my MAIL environment variable to
point at the UCB mail file, then run cui or messages.

Bill
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Is \typewriter{.preferences} supported?  I've been running for some time with
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\typewriter{preferences} (no dot) for me and stored the changes into it.


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\majorheading{Andrew Toolkit Release 5.0}


The Information Technology Center at Carnegie Mellon is pleased to announce 
the release of new versions of the Andrew Toolkit and the Andrew Message 
System as part of the release of MIT's X.V11R5 Window System.  


\indent{The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that 
runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment 
wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could use our 
'generic-object' editor (ez) to edit text that, in addition to containing 
multiple fonts, contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing 
editors, equations, simple animations, etc.. These embedded objects could 
themselves contain other objects, including text. With the toolkit, 
programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those 
that come with the system. Many objects, including those mentioned above, 
along with a help system, a system monitoring tool (console), an editor based 
shell interface (typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents, 
are included in the release, making it useful to programmers and 
non-programmers alike. 


The Andrew Message System(AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and 
bulletin-boards.  AMS contains many advanced  features including 
authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection 
and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription 
management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and 
low-function personal computers in addition to the high-function workstations. 

}
This release of Andrew contains many bug fixes, updates and improvements in 
both code and documentation. Release 5.0 also contains a variety of new 
facilities. Items featured in this release are:


\indent{- Compiled and tested with X11R5 on the following platforms:  RS 6000, 
Ultrix 4.2, Sun4.411, SGI IRIX 4.0


- Removal of dependency on G0 libraries for DecStation platforms


- New scroll-bars (type % \bold{help preferences})


- Dean Rubine's gesture recognition work & Scott Hassan's gesture textview 
(gtextv)


- Dialog boxes that take advantage of transient windows


- Improved color performance


- Menubar improvements


- Option of how to deal with editing of documents that are referenced through 
UNIX links


- Support for SGI IRIX 4.0 platform


- Fixed indentation of switch statements in ctext


- Charles Hayden's Audio Link inset (contrib)


- "Make Window Dump" and "Make Area Dump" menu items added to raster


}This release can be obtained in several ways.  The entire X distribution is 
available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host export.lcs.mit.edu 
(Internet address:  18.30.0.238).  The sources of ATK and AMS are located in 
the andrew tree, one of the contributed toolkits.  Just the andrew tree from 
the X distribution, as well as the latest patches, is available via anonymous 
ftp from the Internet host, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (Internet: 128.2.30.62). 
  Due to its size, the compressed tar'd tree is split into 11 files, andrew.aa 
through andrew.ak (about 1MB each) in the split/ directory.    You should cat 
andrew.* together into andrew.tar.Z, uncompress the tree then tar -xvpf.  


\bold{Remote Andrew Demo Service}


This revolutionary network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit 
applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew 
software.  You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running 
the X11 window system.  A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience 
ATK applications firsthand.  You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, 
navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message 
System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups.


To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on 
your machine:


\leftindent{finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu}


The service will give you any further instructions that may be necessary.


\bold{Known Problems}


We are already aware of a few problems you may encounter with the 
distribution.  

\indent{
}1)  Building the system with  LINKINSTALL_ENV defined will fail in two 
directories:  overhead/class/lib and xmkfontd.   Since that is set by default, 
you will have to either #undef LINKINSTALL_ENV in your site.h file or change 
the following two files:  


overhead/class/lib/Imakefile:\indent{


29,32d28

< #ifdef LIBDL_ENV

< install.time:: libclass.a

< 	$(INSTALL) $(INSTLIBFLAGS) libclass.a $(DESTDIR)/lib

< #else /* LIBDL_ENV */

34d29

< #endif /* LIBDL_ENV */


}xmkfontd/Imakefile:

\indent{
18c18

< 	$(INSTALL)  $\{INSTLIBFLAGS\} non-andrew.fonts.alias 
 $\{DESTDIR\}/X11fonts/fonts.alias	

---

> InstallFileToFile(non-andrew.fonts.alias, $\{INSTLIBFLAGS\}, 
$\{DESTDIR\}/X11fonts/fonts.alias)


}2) if libX11.a is not located in /usr/lib, then some contrib/gestures 
Imakefiles won't be able to find it. 


contrib/gestsrc/gdp/Imakefile:


	7,8c7,8

	< 

	< ProgramTarget(gdp,$(OBJS),$(LIBS),-lX11 -lm)

	---

	> XLIB = -L$\{XLIBDIR\} -lX11

	> ProgramTarget(gdp,$(OBJS),$(LIBS),$\{XLIB\} -lm)


contrib/gestsrc/gdev/Imakefile:


	8a9

	> XLIB = -L$\{XLIBDIR\} -lX11

	12c13

	< ProgramTarget(gtest,gtest.o,libgdev.a,-lX11)

	---

	> ProgramTarget(gtest,gtest.o,libgdev.a,$\{XLIB\})


contrib/gestsrc/record/Imakefile:


	10a11

	> XLIB = -L$\{XLIBDIR\} -lX11

	12c13

	< ProgramTarget(mrecord, $(OBJS), $(LIBS),-lX11 -lm)

	---

	> ProgramTarget(mrecord, $(OBJS), $(LIBS),$\{XLIB\} -lm)


3) on hpux, return value for routine long clock() in 
contrib/gestures/gtext/gtextv.c should be (unsigned long)


	48,49c48,53

	< 

	< long clock()

	---

	> #ifdef hpux

	> unsigned long

	> #else

	> long

	> #endif

	> clock()


4) contrib/mit/annot/\{noteview.c,psview.c\} :  these two modules define a 
routine called close().  This may confuse your compiler-- we renamed the 
function definitions and usage to Close() (capital C)\indent{


}contrib/mit/annot/noteview.c:\indent{


37c37

< close(v,l)

---

> Close(v,l)

79c79

<     \{"noteview-close",NULL,0,"notes,close~2", 0,0,close,"close the note"\},

---

>     \{"noteview-close",NULL,0,"notes,close~2", 0,0,Close,"close the note"\},


}contrib/mit/annot/psview.c:\indent{


91c91

< close(v,l)

---

> Close(v,l)


}5) The README states that the system files for Ultrix 4.2 are located in 
andrew/config/pmax_42, although the directory name is actually pmax_ul4. 
\indent{


}
Your bug reports are welcome; send them to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu and 
we will periodically post a status report to info-andrew.


We also distribute the following related materials:


\leftindent{Hardcopies of the documentation for ATK and AMS (available now).

Nathaniel S. Borenstein's book: \italic{Multimedia Applications Development 
with the Andrew Toolkit }(Prentice-Hall, available now).

ODA Project Book: \italic{Multi-media Document Interchange: ODA and the EXPRES 
Project }(Springer Verlag, available soon).

Introductory video tape: \italic{Welcome to Andrew: An Overview of the Andrew 
System}\italic{ }(available now).

Technical video tape: \italic{The Andrew Project: A Session at the Winter 1988 
Usenix Conference}\italic{ }(available now).


}More information about these materials is available from:


\leftindent{Information Requests

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

USA

phone: +1-412-268-6700

fax: +1-412-268-6787

info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

}
The info-andrew unmoderated distribution list contains informal conversations 
between Andrew users and developers. Send mail to 
info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu to be added to the Andrew mailing list (or 
to request any other service that we provide, like hard copy documentation or 
redistribution of contributed materials). The info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu 
address provides an easy method for reporting bugs in the software to members 
of the ITC (it is not a public distribution list).


There is also a netnews distribution list, called comp.soft-sys.andrew, which 
is identical to the info-andrew distribution list except that it does not 
support the multi-media capabilities of info-andrew.\
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Please answer the following questions about installation of ditroff for ATK:

- Which version of ditroff do you use with Andrew on SUN SPARC 2 (SunOS 4.1.1)
  (version number, release date) ?
- What directories and files does it use ?
- Have you set some specific preferences or environment variables for that 
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Subject: Andrew w/out ditroff ??
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Can anyone tell whether it is possible (and what is involved) in using Andrew
without ditroff (which we don't have here)? Can groff be used instead?

Am I right when I guess that the major issue is the macro for passing embedded
PostScript?  In short - Help! Can we avoid buying ditroff?

Thanks in advance,Nigel.
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Subject: Ditroff replacements ??
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Apologies if this is a duplicate - don't know whether previous got out ...

Can anyone help with alternatives to ditroff (groff??) for Andrew printing??
Any other ways of passing the embedded postscript through ... ??

Thanks in advance, Nigel.
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The Information Technology Center of Carnegie Mellon University is proud to 
announce...


\center{\bold{THE REMOTE ANDREW DEMO SERVICE!}}


This revolutionary network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit 
applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew 
software.  It used to be that trying out Andrew required ftp'ing 35 megabytes 
of sources and spending a day compiling... but no longer!  The Remote Andrew 
Demo service will have you running Andrew software within 5 minutes.


You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 
window system.  A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience ATK 
applications firsthand.  You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, 
navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message 
System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups.


\center{\bold{HOW TO USE THE SERVICE}}


To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on 
your machine:


\leftindent{finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu}


The service will give you any further instructions that may be necessary.


\center{\bold{WHAT IS ANDREW?}}


The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a fully-general, multimedia graphical toolkit 
running under X11.  It provides, among other things, an editor for composing 
rich-text documents complete with embedded insets such as raster images, 
spreadsheets, graphs, drawings, animations -- even embedded audio and video. 
 Documents can be cross-referenced with embedded "hyperlinks."


ATK includes an application builder, extension language, and a rich set of 
object types which make the creation of complex graphical interfaces easy. 
 New object types can be written in C.  There's also an ATK-based mail/news 
program which allows the sending of graphical ATK documents through the mail.


ATK has been a part of the campus computing environment of Carnegie Mellon 
University since 1986 and has continuously evolved to remain at the forefront 
of multimedia information technology.  We invite you to experience ATK 
yourself -- right now -- with the Remote Andrew Demo.


The Andrew Toolkit, release 5.0, is available free of charge on MIT's current 
distribution of X11 (release 5), in the directory contrib/andrew.

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\quotation{We also distribute the following related materials:

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	Has anyone attempted/succeeded getting Andrew upd and running on
a system running SCO Unix?  Is there a FAQ available that addresses this?

	Thanks.

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	Has anyone atrtempted/succeeded getting Andrew ( or part there of )
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	Thanks.
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Date: 18 Oct 91 19:37:05 GMT
From: olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!coos!paw@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Pat Wilson)
Organization: Project NORTHSTAR
Subject: fonts for X11R5?
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I'm sure I've seen this asked before, and I ought to know anyway,
but...

I just put up the new R5 server on my RS/6000.  All the ATK fonts 
are illegible.  What do I need to do?

Thanks.

-- 
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Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
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Date: 18 Oct 91 21:24:03 GMT
From: csus.edu!csusac!cindy!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs.umn.edu!bru!bru!bmc@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu  (Bruce Cameron)
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I am trying to install andrew on a Sparcstation running OS4.1 & X11R5.
The make process bombs out with:

cc -O -I/usr/local/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/local/andrew/include
 -I/usr/local/X11R5/include/X11   -o nns  gl.o gle.o mc.o mcb.o
 mcbe.o nns.o st.o stb.o stbe.o  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libmssrv.a
  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libmsshr.a  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libeli.a
  /usr/local/andrew/lib/librxp.a  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libmalloc.a
  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libmail.a  /usr/local/andrew/lib/liberrors.a
  /usr/local/andrew/lib/libutil.a /usr/local/andrew/lib/libafs.a
  -ldl
ld: Undefined symbol 
   _dn_expand 
   _res_search 
   _res_init 
   __res 
   _dn_skipname 
Compilation failed
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `nns'

I've not been able to find any reference to any of the undefined
symbols in the listed libraries. 

Can anyone offer some insights to a novice andrew programmer as to how
to get andrew up and running (ie. what didn't I see after RTFMing)?
Any and all help will be appreciated; as soon as I get andrew up on
the Sun, an RS6000 is next.

Thanks.
-- 
--Bruce

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
				Ghandi
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Bruce M. Cameron                    bmc@bru.mayo.edu
Medical Sciences 1-18               voice: (507) 284-3288
Mayo Foundation                     fax:   (507) 284-9623
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Rochester, MN 55905		    ARS -- WD9CKW
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The views expressed are those of the author and do not reflect
those of the Mayo Foundation, the Biomedical Imaging Resource
or any person connected with those organizations.

They don't speak for me, I don't speak for them.
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You need to either: (1) obtain and build the new release of Andrew or (2) rebuild the version you currently have with these site file settings:

site.h:
#define FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV 1

site.mcr:
        XFC = ${XBINDIR}/bdftopcf

Gary Keim
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To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>,
    csus.edu!csusac!cindy!petunia!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs.umn.edu!bru!bru!bmc@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu
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Don't forget that on Sun platforms you need to add this line to your
site.mcr file:

        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

Gary Keim
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I've been attempting to build the Andrew Tool Kit on a DecStation 3100
running Ultrix 4.2.  After some messing with the configuration files, it built
nicely.  However, when I run an application, something like the following 
happens:

  10:57pm cpe.ac.duke.edu+85> ez
  Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
  Segmentation fault (core dumped)
  11:01pm cpe.ac.duke.edu+86>

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Karl Ramm
karl@merlin.ac.duke.edu, KARL@DUKEVM.BITNET  (919) 684-3695
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From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Problems with Andrew Release 5.0
Cc: Steve Rohall <slr@thumper.bellcore.com>,
        Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>

I've spent most of the weekend building the new release of Andrew, and
it isn't going TOO badly -- in fact, much more smoothly than previous
Andrew releases, but I'm still having a number of problems that have got
me stymied.

Most crucial is the fonts.  I'm building this in an X11R4 environment,
and apparently the version of xmkfontdir I'm running doesn't know about
pcf files.  The result is that the fonts.dir file never gets built, so
no Andrew fonts are ever recognized.  Is there anything I can do about
this?

Second, there seems to be a bug in the preferences-reading code. 
Preferences that used to work have just stopped working, with some weird
error mesages that suggest memory corruption.  In particular, I have the
preference

*.SurrogateHelpFile: /u/nsb/personal/TODO.ez

which worked with the old version, but the new  Messages now gives me
the error message

Cannot read surrogate help file ISCOLOR (2)

Now "ISCOLOR" is a string that appears *later* in my preferences file,
so I suspect some kind of memory corruption.  Have the
preferences-handling routines changed substantially?

Finally, I am surprised and disappointed to discover that the
long-yearned-for Motif-style dialog boxes and buttons seems to use much
more bandwidth on the X protocol than the old versions.  The result is
that, when using an X terminal over a dialup, the new verison of Andrew
feels MUCH slower than the old one -- lots of sitting around waiting for
the buttons to draw themselves.  Is there any way to get rid of the 3-d
look on the butons and dialog boxes?  I couldn't find any way in the
documentaton, but I thought I'd ask, because the fancy look is simply
not worth the cost at 9600 baud.

Overall, this was one of the smoothest Andrew compilations I've ever
had, so I hate to be complaining, but it isn't quite perfect.  The font
problem is the most crucial.  Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.  -- Nathaniel
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From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Problems with Andrew Release 5.0
Cc: Steve Rohall <slr@thumper.bellcore.com>,
        Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
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I'm guessing now that my SurrogateHelpFile problem is a longstanding
messages bug that was only tickled with the new release.  It seems that
messages depends on storage that shouldn't be depended on, but has
always gotten away with it in the past.  Anyway, here's a fix for that
bug.  The fix is localized to atkams/messages/lib/text822v.c:

129c129
<     char *SurrogateHelpFile;
---
>     char *SurrogateHelpFile, *s;
138c138,142
<     SurrogateHelpFile = (char *)
environ_GetProfile("messages.surrogatehelpfile");
---
>     s = (char *) environ_GetProfile("messages.surrogatehelpfile");
>     if (s) {
> 	SurrogateHelpFile = malloc(1+strlen(s));
> 	strcpy(SurrogateHelpFile, s);
>     } else s = SurrogateHelpFile = s;


In other words, we just need to keep a copy of the value rather than a pointer.

My font problem, however, still persists.  How can I build fonts.dir out
of pcf files on X11R4?  -- Nathaniel
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    Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
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Nataniel, 

By default, we #define FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in the allsys.h file and set XFC
to be 

#ifdef  RELEASE2_ENV
        XFC = $(XSRCDIR)/fonts/compiler/fc
#else   /* RELEASE2_ENV */
#ifndef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV
        XFC = $(XBASEDIR)/usr/bin/X11/bdftosnf
#else /* FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV */
        XFC = $(XBASEDIR)/usr/bin/X11/bdftopcf
#endif /* FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV */

in the allsys.h file.  You should undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV in your site file
if you're not running under XV11R5.  

Hope this helps, 

Susan 
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\begindata{text,18602028}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 20-Oct-91 Problems running ATK on a D.. 
Karl Ramm@cs.duke.edu (551)}



[...]

\quotation{  10:57pm cpe.ac.duke.edu+85> ez

}\quotation{  Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

}\quotation{  Segmentation fault (core dumped)

}\quotation{  11:01pm cpe.ac.duke.edu+86>

}[...]


I am getting the same problems: Seems as if the "self" pointer isn't 
initialized...

This is on a DECstation 5000/200PX with the X11R3 server (you can't get 
anything better from DEC).


On a DECstation 5000/200CX with X11R5 it works fine, seems to me that the 
"Color" problems increased...



Script started on Mon Oct 21 09:34:23 1991

io(root)> messages

Starting messages (Version 7.15, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

io(root)> dbx /usr/andrew/bin/runapp core

dbx version 2.10.1

Type 'help' for help.

Corefile produced from file "runapp"

Child died at pc 0x46b47c of signal : Segmentation fault

reading symbolic information ...

[using memory image in core]

(dbx) where

>  0 xgraphic_SetupFillGC(0x0, 0x10b7988, 0x470000, 0x101579c, 0x1010000) 
["xgraphic.c":901, 0x46b478]

   1 xgraphic__FillRectSize(0x0, 0xb, 0x12, 0x62, 0x0) ["xgraphic.c":924, 
0x46b500]

   2 sbuttonv__DrawBorder(0x107534c, 0x77, 0x0, 0x12, 0x62) ["sbuttonv.c":275, 
0x448668]

   3 draw_bar(0x1, 0x97, 0x107534c, 0x107534c, 0x1) ["scroll.c":1107, 
0x43ee04]

   4 draw_everything(0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x18f, 0x78) ["scroll.c":1153, 0x43f118]

   5 scroll__FullUpdate(0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x18f, 0x78) ["scroll.c":1307, 
0x43fb8c]

   6 DoFullUpdate(0x0, 0x7fffad90, 0x28000, 0x16, 0x46f9ec) ["lpair.c":93, 
0x43a898]

   7 lpair__FullUpdate(0x0, 0x7fffae50, 0xb, 0x1f4, 0x78) ["lpair.c":197, 
0x43ac40]

   8 DoFullUpdate(0x0, 0x7fffae50, 0x10b3f54, 0x28000, 0x16) ["lpair.c":93, 
0x43a898]

   9 lpair__FullUpdate(0x0, 0x7fffaf10, 0x475ba8, 0x1f4, 0x1dd) 
["lpair.c":197, 0x43ac40]

  10 DoFullUpdate(0x0, 0x7fffaf10, 0x1, 0x1, 0x468a94) ["lpair.c":93, 
0x43a898]

  11 lpair__FullUpdate(0x0, 0x1, 0x10b3f54, 0x1f4, 0x1f4) ["lpair.c":197, 
0x43ac40]

  12 frame__FullUpdate(0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x1f4, 0x1f4) ["frame.c":392, 0x40dc48]

  13 xim__HandleRedraw(0x0, 0x7fffb008, 0x7fffb038, 0x7fffb01c, 0x7fffb018) 
["xim.c":2255, 0x47b258]

  14 HandleExposure(0x10b3f54, 0x7fffb0ec, 0x7fffb14c, 0x10932c4, 0x10b3f54) 
["xim.c":2470, 0x47bc44]

  15 xim__RedrawWindow(0x1055440, 0x109357c, 0x104f200, 0x109357c, 0x474018) 
["xim.c":3093, 0x47d018]

  16 im__RedrawChangedWindows(0x109357c, 0x101d4dc, 0x40e354, 0x109357c, 
0x109357c) ["im.c":1754, 0x4736f4]

  17 im__Interact(0x0, 0x0, 0x46cd8c, 0x6e6f6369, 0x468a00) ["im.c":2056, 
0x474014]

(dbx) quit

io(root)> exit


script done on Mon Oct 21 09:35:07 1991




Juergen


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

Nobelstrasse 12, D-7000 Stuttgart 80

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Rob, 


We incorporated the contributed code that ports ATK to SCO but we've never had 
the chance to test it (nor did we ever hear back from the person who 
contributed the code that it works.)  


If you try it out, we're interested in your feedback. 


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>


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Here is one solution to illegible fonts on an RS6000:
In your site.h  #define ISO80_FONTS_ENV 1

but use the following as your xmkfontd/non-andrew.fonts.alias:

----8<----cut here----8<----
andytype10bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype10bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype10f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype10if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype12bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype12bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype12f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype12if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype14bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype14bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype14f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype14if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype8bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-80-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype8bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-80-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype8f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-80-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andytype8if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-80-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
andysans10	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans10b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans10bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans10i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans12	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans12b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans12bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans12i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans14	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
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andysans14bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans14i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans16	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans16b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans16bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans16i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans22	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans22b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans22bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans22i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans8	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans8b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans8bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysans8i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy10	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy10b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy10bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy10i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy12	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy120	times120
andy12b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy12bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy12i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy14	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy14b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy14bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy14i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy16	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy16b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy16bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy16i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy22	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy22b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy22bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy22i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy8	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy8b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy8bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andy8i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
andysymbol10	symbol10
andysymbol12	symbol12
andysymbol16	symbol16
andysymbol22	symbol22
andysymbol8	symbol8
andysymbola10	symbola10
andysymbola12	symbola12
andysymbola16	symbola16
andysymbola22	symbola22
andysymbola8	symbola8
messages10	msgs10
messages14	msgs14
console10	con10
console12	con12
andrew120	times120
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    Bill Cattey <wdc@Athena.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: fonts for X11R5?
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We have found that our R5 server on the RS6000 doesn't work correctly with snf 
fonts. If you are getting garbage, that's probably the culprit. In ATK 5.0 
(our R5 release) we use these settings by default:


site.h:

#define FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV 1


site.mcr:

        XFC = $\{XBINDIR\}/bdftopcf


You want to end up with a bunch of .pcf files in $ANDREWDIR/X11fonts, and no 
.snf's.


If your fonts are legible, but too small, make sure you have the 100dpi fonts 
in your fontpath, and put them before the 75dpi fonts (if you bother with the 
75's at all -- you won't need them for ATK). However, if you ever use info, it 
will corrupt your font situation in ways that we cannot avoid (without making 
changes to info).


I do not recommend using the non-andrew.fonts.alias file that Bill posted -- 
it will cause some subtle problems (in my opinion), and will not fix illegible 
fonts.


If you don't have the latest release, I suggest getting it, because the font 
code has been reworked to take advantage of R5 (and to just plain make more 
sense). Here is the latest non-andrew.fonts.alias file:


----8<----cut here----8<----

andytype10bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype10bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype10f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype10if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype12bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype12bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype12f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype12if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype8bf	-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype8bif	-adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype8f	-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andytype8if	-adobe-courier-medium-o-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

andysans10	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans10b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans10bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans10i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans12	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans12b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans12bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans12i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans16	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans16b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans16bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans16i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans22	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans22b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans22bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans22i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans8	-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans8b	-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans8bi	-adobe-helvetica-bold-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysans8i	-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy10	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy10b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy10bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy10i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy12	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy120	times120

andy12b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy12bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy12i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy16	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy16b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy16bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy16i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-180-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy22	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy22b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy22bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy22i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy8	-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy8b	-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy8bi	-adobe-times-bold-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andy8i	-adobe-times-medium-i-normal--*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1

andysymbol10	symbol10

andysymbol12	symbol12

andysymbol16	symbol16

andysymbol22	symbol22

andysymbol8	symbol8

andysymbola10	symbola10

andysymbola12	symbola12

andysymbola16	symbola16

andysymbola22	symbola22

andysymbola8	symbola8

messages10	msgs10

messages14	msgs14

console10	con10

console12	con12

andrew120	times120

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OK, with the new Andrew I've figured out how to add color styles using
the new and improved style editor.  (Nice work!)  What I don't
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every time I want them?  Seems kind of silly, really... -- Nathaniel
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Subject: No Motif in ATK R5?

Is there any way to make ATK release 5 look and behave like ATK release
4?  I.e., is there any way to turn off all of the Motif look?  I know
menubars can be turned off and I hear that scroll bars can be changed,
but what about the other Motif things?  I had gotten used to the ``old''
way and it works better on a monochrome X terminal.

			-Steve.
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Something like this will handle 90% of the motifishness:


SbuttonStyle:3

SbuttonAlwaysInherit: yes

# if you'd like a REALLY bare-bones look remove the next line

ScrollClass: oscroll

(see help on sbutton and on oscroll for more info)


You may not like how the dialogs then appear, see below if this is the case.


Areas of motifishness:


Dialog Boxes

See help preferences, specifically the UseBuiltinDialogs and DialogStyle 
preferences, either one, not both together, may achieve something acceptable.


Scrollbars

See help on scroll and oscroll, but on a monochrome screen you should get 
emulation of the old scrollbars by default.


Value Objects

These are the switches and sliders in the set-options system in messages, and 
elsewhere.  See the preferences list in the sbutton help file, the preferences 
for these objects are obtained by replacing the word sbutton in each 
preference listed in the sbutton help file with adew.


Messages

The commit, punt and the buttons in a messages-send, aka sendmessage window. 
See help preferences, specifically the folderoptions preferences and 
sendoptions preferences.


Menubar

See help menubar.


Popup Menus

See help cmenu.


Hope this helps,

-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group

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Hi Gary,

I tested out your version of the 300 code on the andrew machine
and it worked fine. However I went to build the newly released
version on the 300 and got this error in the log:

        touch install.doc
building (dependInstall) (/disk/andrew/overhead/malloc)
        ../.././config/depend.csh /usr/local/bin/makedepend /usr/andrew/bin/clas
s \
        "-I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X1
1" "+Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W2,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES -DWORD=4 -DMSTATS"
*.ch not found
/usr/local/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Nd4000"
/usr/local/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Ns3000"
/usr/local/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "p,-H500000"
        make DESTDIR=/usr/andrew install
        rm -f malloc.o
        cc -c  +O1 -I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/
include/X11 +Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W2,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES -DWORD=4 -DMS
TATS malloc.c
"./malloc.ci", line 147: function declarations for 'sbrk' have incompatible
   return types
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Could you tell me what to do to fix this please ? We would like to use
the 300 version for the big demo to our CEO in Nov 15th !

Thanks,

Lee

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Hi Gary,

Jean and I looked into the problems I mailed you about. 

In overhead/malloc/malloc.ci there was an ifdef hpux which set the variable
sbrk to void *. However in /usr/include/sys/unistd.h there is an ifdef
_CLASSIC_XOPEN_TYPES which sets sbrk to char *. As this is the only place
where sbrk is redefined, we have assumed that this is what is causing
the compilation clash. Where the _CLASSIC... variable is set, I do not
know. I have therefore commented out the ifdef hpux temporarily until I
hear from you if this is the right thing to do.

As for the issue about the wrong system file being used, this seems to
stem from config/platform.tmpl where hp300/system.mcr is used instead of
hp300_80. As this seems to relate to what you were discussing with Jean,
I have temporarily hacked this file to explicitly reference hp300_80
until I hear the new solution.

The reason for doing the above is that I need to build this version first
and then make my demo code changes in andrew mail and then rebuild. I want
to do the first before the second and they both take time ! Please let me
know if you have any better solutions or if you think that I have not
done the correct fix.

Thanks. In future Jean and I will try to fix/debug before I/he mail you.

Lee
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Subject: dynamic linking of runapp against libclass

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One of the nicer points of Andrew 3.10 and now 5.0 on Suns was that it was 
dynamically linked.  Unfortunately, the link against libclass.a was done in 
such a way that the absolute path is required for the dynamic link.  I added 
the following to the Imakefile in atk/apps, and things got much nicer:


before:


\example{47 % \bold{ldd runapp}

        /project/andrew/r5/installed/lib/libclass.a

        -lresolv.1 => /project/andrew/r5/installed/lib/libresolv.so.1.1

        -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0

        -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6

}
after:


\example{54 % \bold{ldd runapp}

        -lresolv.1 => /project/andrew/r5/installed/lib/libresolv.so.1.1

        -lclass.5 => /project/andrew/r5/installed/lib/libclass.so.1.0

        -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0

        -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6

}
The change was to add the following to the Imakefile:


\example{#ifdef LIBDL_ENV

CLASSLIBS = -L$\{BASEDIR\}/lib -lclass


all::

	-rm  $\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libclass.so.1.0

	ln -s $\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libclass.a $\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libclass.so.1.0

#else /* LIBDL_ENV */

CLASSLIB = $\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libclass.a

#endif /* LIBDL_ENV */

}
at the appropriate spot in the Imakefile (that ln -s should be done in a more 
appropriate place, I think, and it would be nice if the "1" and "0" were 
replaced by some symbolic names).  It's not clear to me that libclass is an 
appropriate library to symbolically link, anyway, considering its size.


Bill

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Hi,
	We maintain the UKUUG archive here, and mirror andrew from emsworth to
the archive this side of the pond. Now what we're wondering is why
andrew.tar.Z and the split files have changed regularly over the past
few days. This is a tad annonying as it gets pulled back every time it
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Andrew Version 5.0.0 built cleanly for X11R4 on Sun OS 4.1.1.  A spell 
checking bug that we encountered in Patch Level 10, however, persists in this 
new Andrew release.  


When Andrew is compiled with optimization, and without the -g debugging flag, 
ez applications crash upon selecting the \bold{spell} menu option.




Bob Dew

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\quotation{When Andrew is compiled with optimization, and without the -g 
debugging flag, ez applications crash upon selecting the \bold{spell} menu 
option.



}By the way, if you go back and compile andrew/atk/extensions with 
optimization turned off (CDEBUGFLAGFS=""), the spell crashing problem goes 
away.


Bob

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\quotation{By the way, if you go back and compile andrew/atk/extensions with 
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That should be CDEBUGFL\bold{AGS=}"".


-Rob Ryan

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Subject: Remote Andrew Demo

Having spent the last couple of days plugging security holes in the
Remote Andrew Demo, I would now like to invite your comments on the
revised software.  A document briefly detailing the known holes and
how they were plugged is in ~bobg/itc/atk/rdemo/Plugged (ez format).

I invite you to attempt to subvert the security of the new Remote
Andrew Demo.  I am highly interested in any comments you may have.

To try the demo:

* GET THE FONTS
	If you're running X11r5, simply run
		"xset +fp tcp/fontserv.itc.cmu.edu:7000"
	If you're running X11r4, simply run
		"xset +fp ~bobg/itc/atk/rdemo/fonts/bdf/"

* ADD THE SERVER TO YOUR X ACL
	Simply run
		"xhost +avalon.andrew.cmu.edu"

* SAY THE MAGIC WORD
	Simply run
		"finger secret-test@avalon.andrew.cmu.edu"
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Suppose foo is a symbolic link to some file, foobar.  If "ez" is used to edit 
foobar via symbolic link, as in "ez foo",  then the resulting modified file 
gets saved where the link used to be, and the original file, foobar, remains 
unchanged.


This problem was identified in earlier versions of Andrew, but it persists in 
the latest release, Version 5.0.0.  Does anybody know when or if this problem 
might be fixed?


Thanks,



Bob Dew

National Institutes of Health

Bethesda, MD  20895


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Subject: Minor dialog box question

When running at home on my monchrome GraphOn X terminal, I have the
preferences "*.dialogstyle: 3" and "*.sbuttonstyle: 3".  These are very
useful in the circumstances, but there's one weirdness:  they don't
always draw their outline boxes.  In particular, dialog boxes have a box
around the question but not the answers, and the 5 buttons in the
sendmessage window have no lines at all separating them.  Is this
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\quotation{This problem was identified in earlier versions of Andrew, but it 
persists in the latest release, Version 5.0.0.  Does anybody know when or if 
this problem might be fixed?

}
Here are the relevant preference descriptions:


\bold{ez.AskAboutSymlinks: \italic{no}}

\leftindent{If you are editing a file which is really a symbolic link to 
another file, what should EZ do when you ask to save the buffer?  Should it 
follow the symbolic link and replace the pointed-to file?  Or should it 
replace the link itself with a new, real file?  Turning this preference on 
will result in EZ asking you which option you prefer the first time you try to 
save a file which is really a symbolic link.  See the \bold{ez.ClobberSymlinks} 
preference, below.}


\bold{ez.ClobberSymlinks: \italic{yes}}

\leftindent{Controls whether saving a buffer whose file is a symbolic link 
results in replacing the link with the file contents (the default), or 
replacing the link's target.  See the \bold{ez.AskAboutSymlinks} preference, 
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This is certainly not the desired behavior.  I've tried a monocrhome IBM RT 
display (apa16), a Decstation with a monochrom display, and a RS/6000 with a 
color display.  None display the symptoms you describe... I can only guess 
that the X terminal is broken software-wise, or there is a compatibility 
problem between the X libraries and the X terminal...  You might want to try 
using style 4 (motif), and changing the top color and the shadow colors.


Sorry I can't be of more help,

-Rob Ryan

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>Don't forget that on Sun platforms you need to add this line to your
>site.mcr file:

>        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

Iff you attempt to use a nameserver on them.

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These preferences are great, but I think their default setting violates
the general principle of tuning defaults to novice/casual users.  I
think the default values should clearly be:

ez.AskAboutSymlinks: yes
ez.ClobberSymlinks: no
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What's the deal wrt whether customizations should go in .Xdefaults or
in preferences?  In the past, I've found that *some* things only seem to
work in one or the other.

The latest README file says:

   In addition, most ATK applications also reference the file ~/preferences or
   ~/.Xdefaults for lines of the form:
   ...

yet the help for "preferences" only mentions ~/preferences.

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Subject: Selection indicator in old style scrollbars

We are running ATK version 5.

I use old style scroll bars on a monochrome X terminal via 9600 baud dial up.

There is a black rectangle in the scroll bar that indicates the size and
position of the current selection.   Can I turn this off?   I.e, not
display it or not update it?   Currently it updates on every character
typed and every mouse click.   It is painful in the extreme.   Character
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Any pointers, suggestions, hidden preferences, etc. apprieciated.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 22-Oct-91 .Xdefaults vs. preferences 
Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (390)}


\quotation{What's the deal wrt whether customizations should go in .Xdefaults 
or

}\quotation{in preferences?

}
Andrew-related preferences can go into one of these three files:


~/preferences

~/.preferences

~/.Xdefaults


The first time any preference value is accessed, the code opens and tries to 
read from each of these files, in the above order, until it can successfully 
do so.  "Successfully" is defined as: 1) the file can be opened for read, 2) 
at least one entry in the file is valid.


The only exception to this rule previously was the cmenu library, which needed 
to be obtained from .Xdefaults because we thought that cmenu might be used by 
some other X program, and we didn't want to tie it to ATK.  We now depend on 
/usr/andrew/lib/libutil.a for the preference lookup, so you can specify cmenu 
preferences in any of the three possible files.


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Subject: R5 Feature disappearance

One of my favorite little-known Messages features has mysteriously
disappeared with the R5 release.

In previous releases, if you had the "Punt" button enabled, it was
possible to grab the line at the top of the Punt button and drag it
down, thus revealing a hidden "commit" button.  This functionality is
now gone.  I presume it has something to do with the change of buttons,
but I also presume that the disappearance of the Commit button was an
accident.  Does anyone know anything about it, or how to get it back?
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\quotation{In previous releases, if you had the "Punt" button enabled, it was 
possible to grab the line at the top of the Punt button and drag it down, thus 
revealing a hidden "commit" button. 

}
I considered the previous behavior a bug.  The old behavior cannot be easily 
achieved with the new code.  It would be relatively trivial though, to add a 
preference to expose the commit button even without the infamous preference:


#TurnOffCheckPointingAndIUnderstandTheDangersForMessages: yes


(if you really really want to use this preference remember to remove the # :-)


-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group

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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> These preferences are great, but I think their default setting violates
> the general principle of tuning defaults to novice/casual users.  I
> think the default values should clearly be:
> 
> ez.AskAboutSymlinks: yes
> ez.ClobberSymlinks: no

This would be right except for the fact that this would cause EZ's
default behavior to change from what it was.  I like backward
compatibility.
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\quotation{Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:

}\quotation{> These preferences are great, but I think their default setting 
violates

}\quotation{> the general principle of tuning defaults to novice/casual users. 
 I

}\quotation{> think the default values should clearly be:

}\quotation{> 

}\quotation{> ez.AskAboutSymlinks: yes

}\quotation{> ez.ClobberSymlinks: no

}
\quotation{This would be right except for the fact that this would cause EZ's

}\quotation{default behavior to change from what it was.  I like backward

}\quotation{compatibility.

}
I would have to agree with Nathaniel that we should by default ask,  I'm less 
clear on whether we should follow the link when writing or destroy the link.


The backwards compatibility argument really doesn't hold here, in that those 
people who really understand symbolic links are soffisticated enough, not to 
be bothered by the change in behavior (and are even smart enough to find a way 
to get back to the old behavior).  People who really don't understand about 
symbolic links will be glad that we gave them the option.  Those that don't 
understand symbolic links at all may wonder what is going on.


My apprehension about the default for ClobberSymLinks is that the last group 
is the largest and I'm at a loss as to what their expectations would be for 
the default.


Andy



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\quotation{These preferences are great, but I think their default setting
violates the general principle of tuning defaults to novice/casual users.  I
think the default values should clearly be:

}
\quotation{ez.AskAboutSymlinks: yes

}\quotation{ez.ClobberSymlinks: no

}
I agree 100%.  (Actually, Nathaniel's settings are fine for even experienced
users.)


-wr

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Yeah, I can see where you might consider it a bug.  I was probably the
only one relying on it as a feature.

I suspect I could be equally happy with a "commit" keystroke or menu
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For approximately the 4th time, I have tried to build an Andrew system.
I tried with X11R2.  I tried with X11R3.  I tried with X11R4.  And now
I have tried with X11R5.  I failed in frustration every time.

The latest:

  # xmkmf
  # make Makefiles
  make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 307: Unexpected end of line seen

Due to an unresolved cpp macro MkdirTarget($(DIRS)).

This is on a SunOS 4.1.1 Sparc IPC.  I built the makefile, obviously, with
UseInstalled.  A more naive me would dig around and find the definition,
but the jaded me has decided that this event and its predescessors point
to a full-time investment of my future.

I'm sorry.  Andrew advertises some very interesting features.  It
appears to be quite rich with utility.  However, if a relatively
motivated and reasonably intelligent developer cannot decipher its
build instructions, or if the build files themselves have bugs, Andrew
promoters cannot expect it to go very far.

Why can't Andrew be shipped with something that actually uses Imake?
Why can't target destinations be resolved, by default, to something
based off Imakefile destinations?  (My X11R5 code is in
/usr/X11R5/..., as are many peoples'.)  Why can't it resolve
configuration questions, as so many other useful packages do, by
running a shell script?

Ugh.

Maybe I will try again with X11R6.  Then again, maybe not.
-- 
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Excerpts from mail: 23-Oct-91 My 4th Build Timewaster Wit.. Dan R.
Greening@apple.co (1521)

> For approximately the 4th time, I have tried to build an Andrew system.
> I tried with X11R2.  I tried with X11R3.  I tried with X11R4.  And now
> I have tried with X11R5.  I failed in frustration every time.

> The latest:

>   # xmkmf
>   # make Makefiles
>   make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 307: Unexpected end of line seen

> Due to an unresolved cpp macro MkdirTarget($(DIRS)).

> This is on a SunOS 4.1.1 Sparc IPC.  I built the makefile, obviously, with
> UseInstalled.  A more naive me would dig around and find the definition,
> but the jaded me has decided that this event and its predescessors point
> to a full-time investment of my future.

> I'm sorry.  Andrew advertises some very interesting features.  It
> appears to be quite rich with utility.  However, if a relatively
> motivated and reasonably intelligent developer cannot decipher its
> build instructions, or if the build files themselves have bugs, Andrew
> promoters cannot expect it to go very far.

> Why can't Andrew be shipped with something that actually uses Imake?
> Why can't target destinations be resolved, by default, to something
> based off Imakefile destinations?  (My X11R5 code is in
> /usr/X11R5/..., as are many peoples'.)  Why can't it resolve
> configuration questions, as so many other useful packages do, by
> running a shell script?

> Ugh.


Business as usual: read the README (this file has this name...). There
you can see that ATK comes with
some special imake configuration files. Even if you run a shell script,
you have to read the questions...:-)

Regards
	Juergen


P.S.: {path}/imake  -I.  -I./config  -Timake.tmpl  -s Makefile  -DTOPDIR=.
          make World
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I'm with Andy.  Enough people complained about the old behavior that "backward 
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I'm convinced that the color handling is now worse than it ever was.

Here are the scrollbar preferences I have at the moment:

	*.MimicOldScrollbar: true 
	*.ScrollForeground: black
	*.ScrollBackground: gray18
	*.MotifScrollBars: no
	*.ScrollElevatorForeground: magenta
	*.ScrollDotForeground: red
	*.ScrollElevatorBackground: green
	*.BackgroundShade: 2
	*.ForegroundShade: 2


When I fire up "help":
ScrollElevatorBackground changes the *foreground* of the elevator.
ScrollElevatorForeground changes the *border* (background?) of the elevator.
*nothing* will change the appearance of the bulk of the scrollbar -- it
insists on being an random shade of gray (r=g=b=0xc0).


When I fire up messages, the above applies to the body part of the window.
The caption and header elevators are *yellow*, with *red* borders.  What
the hell's going on?
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\quotation{I'm with Andy.  Enough people complained about the old behavior
that "backward compatibility" is not a very convincing argument.  To my mind,
you don't need backward compatibility to what is in essence an old
\italic{\bigger{bug!}}   -- Nathaniel

}
Untold posts to this bboard in the past bear this out.


-wr

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I really liked the old Commit button that you could pull down.  I'm sorry that 
it disappeared simply because it was construed as a bug by somebody.  Ah, the 
lack of oral tradition.


There's a pair of options for adding a Punt button and adding a Punt menu 
item.  Can we do likewise for Commit?  I wouldn't mind being able to get a 
Commit button all the time; I don't care if I can't pull it down from thin 
air.  A Commit menu item would be OK, too.  I believe it's important for any 
bboard administrator to be able to Commit changes (writing and unlocking 
directories); I've used Commit in that capacity many times.


As to the symlink defaults, I agree with Andy Palay and Nathaniel that expert 
users who want to overwrite symlinks will be able to figure out how to get EZ 
to do what they want, and they'll even be able to get EZ to shut up about 
asking the symlink question.  Maybe they'll even be glad that EZ will ask them 
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The ez2ascii filter is a potential godsend, particularly for those of us use 
messages (ez format)  and ucb mail (ascii format)  concurrently, but it 
doesn't work well enough to be functionally useful.  (This is true for Patch 
10 as well as for Version 5).


For example, consider a simple file consisting of three lines, composed with 
the ez editor:


$ cat foo

one

two

three


Now, apply the ez2ascii filter:


$ ez2ascii foo

onetwothree


In addition to new line handling problems, ez2ascii completely falls apart 
when applied to files that are saved from within the messages program, using 
the "append to file" menu option.  Basically, es2ascii filters out the body of 
the message, leaving just the mail headers.


If ez2ascii could be fixed in future releases, it could be a most useful tool.


Bob

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I had submitted an "ezview" program as an earlier patch.  It was
apparently rejected in favor of ez2ascii, though I think it handled some
things a bit better.  If there's interest, I could post the code...
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Bill Cattey gave me the name of this list as a place to provide my
workaround for the bug in ez2ascii that prevents it from wrapping lines
correctly if a file was saved in non-ATK format.  Somebody really ought
to fix the bug, but since I needed a quick fix and wrote one, I thought
I'd provide that fix to others who might use it.

Basically all you need is a C program that does the same as the
following awk script, but without awk's limit on line length:
awk ' { if (NF == 0) { printf "%s\n", $0 } else { printf "%s\n\n", $0 } } '

Example of its use:
        if grep -s begindata question.ez; then
                ez2ascii question.ez question.ascii
        else
                helpez2ascii < question.ez | ez2ascii > question.ascii
        fi

This has a copyright notice on it because I was paid to write it, but
it's freely redistributable, like Andrew software.

/**********************************************************************
 * helpez2ascii.c -- utility to help ez2ascii handle non-atk ez-saved files.
 *
 * $Author$
 * $Source$
 * $Header$
 *
 * Copyright 1991 by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
 *
 * For copying and distribution information, please see the file
 * <mit-copyright.h>.
 **********************************************************************/
#include <mit-copyright.h>

#ifndef lint
static char rcsid_helpez2ascii_c[] = "$Header$";
#endif /* lint */

#include <stdio.h>

main(argc, argv)
     int argc;
     char *argv[];
{
  register int ch;
  register int previous_char_was_newline=0;

  while((ch=getc(stdin)) != EOF) {
    if ((char)ch == '\n') {
      if ( ! previous_char_was_newline) {
        if (putc((char) ch, stdout) == EOF) { /* write extra newline */
          perror(argv[0]);
          exit(1);
        }
        previous_char_was_newline = 1;
      }
    } else {
      previous_char_was_newline = 0;
    }
    if (putc((char) ch, stdout) == EOF) {
      perror(argv[0]);
      exit(1);
    }
  }
  exit(0);
}

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\quotation{Could you call attention to what all gets done better?

}
Ack.  Egg on my face time.


When I posted my last message, I was going entirely on the basis of Bob Dew's 
post, which I misinterpreted.  Apparently he's complaining that ez2ascii does 
"the wrong thing" when given a NON-ATK file -- in this case, a plain text file 
of three lines.  I was thinking of a real ATK-format file.  It turns out that 
ezview manifests precisely the same bug.  There's an obvious fix -- ez2ascii 
*or* ezview could check to see if the file is ATK format, and just cat it if 
it isn't.  


At any rate, ezview is no better in this regard, and I retract my previous 
claim.  The only thing ezview does that ez2ascii doesn't is, optionally, try 
to run ez first before showing you the ascii version.  This is handy in 
certain circumstances, but hardly critical...


Sorry about that. -- NB



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\quotation{I had submitted an "ezview" program as an earlier patch.  It was

}\quotation{apparently rejected in favor of ez2ascii, though I think it 
handled some

}\quotation{things a bit better.  If there's interest, I could post the 
code...

}
A patch to messages itself might also be welcome.  Since its already possible 
 to remove formatting before sending a message, it seem that might also be 
feasible to remove formatting before saving messages to a file.


Ez is terrific, within its intended environment.  But to be relent on ez for 
even the simple passing of text can be burdensome in some applications, and 
can quickly dishearten the non-AMS user community.


Bob

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Sorry Nat.  I was instrumental in the acceptance of the present ez2ascii.
I read your code, incorporated into mine the changes I though would fix
bugs, but apparently I missed something.

Maybe you should (again) post the code.

Could you call attention to what all gets done better?

-wdc
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\quotation{\quotation{I had submitted an "ezview" program as an earlier patch. 
 It was

}}\quotation{\quotation{apparently rejected in favor of ez2ascii, though I 
think it handled some

}}\quotation{\quotation{things a bit better.  If there's interest, I could 
post the code...

}}
\quotation{A patch to messages itself might also be welcome.  Since its 
already possible  to remove formatting before sending a message, it seem that 
might also be feasible to remove formatting before saving messages to a file.

}
\quotation{Ez is terrific, within its intended environment.  But to be relent 
on ez for even the simple passing of text can be burdensome in some 
applications, and can quickly dishearten the non-AMS user community.

}
\quotation{Bob

}
Oh boy, lots of spelling problems and such here!


I guess this sounds like complaining--its not intended that way.  I'd just 
like to be able to save messages, somehow, in ascii format.


Bob

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\quotation{\quotation{I had submitted an "ezview" program as an earlier patch. 
 It was

}}\quotation{\quotation{apparently rejected in favor of ez2ascii, though I 
think it handled some

}}\quotation{\quotation{things a bit better.  If there's interest, I could 
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}}
\quotation{A patch to messages itself might also be welcome.  Since its 
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might also be feasible to remove formatting before saving messages to a file.

}
\quotation{Ez is terrific, within its intended environment.  But to be relent 
on ez for even the simple passing of text can be burdensome in some 
applications, and can quickly dishearten the non-AMS user community.

}
\quotation{Bob

}
Oh oh, lots of spelling problems and such here!  Must be late!


I guess this sounds like complaining--its not intended that way.  I'd just 
like to be able to save messages, somehow, in ascii format.  There doesn't 
seem be an easy way to do that now.


Bob

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From: Bill Cattey <wdc@Athena.MIT.EDU>
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I think we should change ez2ascii so that it does by itself what Bruce's
helpez2ascii does.

Is there someone who has the requisite couple hours to code it?
Do people mind this introduction of desirable incompatibility?

-wdc
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\template{messages}
A work-around that I find particularaly useful is as follows:


\description{\leftindent{(a) Either bind to a key or a menu - the proctable 
entry:

\bold{	filter-filter-region}

(b) select the region of text you wish to store as plain ASCII (from one 
character, up to the entire message)

(c) Activate that proctable entry - it will prompt you for a "Command: " in 
the message line at the bottom of the window

(d) type in something like:

\bold{	cat > /tmp/foo}

(e) hit <Enter>

(f) in your favorite shell: \bold{cat /tmp/foo}

}}
This does NOT preserve ANY formatting information - but it will leave 
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I find the filter-filter-region command to be extremely useful in all sorts of 
circumstances.


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In fact, the old behavior (Clobber) is an interesting bug.

It's the kind of bug experienced programmers tend to introduce into a
system, because they need it as a feature.  For example, if I had a big
tree of sources, and I worked on them by building a symlinked shadow,
then edited files in the shadow tree, I'd like the autoclobber behavior.
 Unfortunately, it's  the kind of behavior that drives novice or
occasional users up the wall (and away from the tool, around PARC).

Consider the editing process applied to a symlink.  There are two
behaviors that are arguably reasonable.  One is to edit the symlink
itself; that is, present the name of the file that the link points to,
and allow the user to change it.  Upon doing a save, the symlink would
be re-linked to point to the new file.  However, symlinks are intended
to allow a file to appear in more than one place, and so the second
editing operation is the more natural:  edit the file the symlink points
to.  One of these two things is what EZ should do by default.  Neither
includes the operation (which is arguably useful) of replacing the
symlink with a real file, a copy (perhaps modified!) of what the symlink
used to point to.  That operation might always be available as a
separate menu entry.

Bill
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In particular, the elevator dot seems to draw in color on my mono
screen, and in b&w on my color screen...

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Date: 24 Oct 91 03:58:27 GMT
From: parc!janssen@decwrl.dec.com  (Bill Janssen)
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA
Subject: Re: My 4th Build Timewaster With Andrew.
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Yes, it's a shame that the standard X Imake macros are not sufficient
for Andrew, but then, the X folk never tried to think of every possible
contrib program.

Don't use xmkmf; use the top-level README file in the Andrew dist to
find the right sequence -- in particular the section that says:

  2	Building the System
  
  We assume you have a C preprocessor or static preprocessor similar to
  the 4.3BSD cpp.c. (You should set symisiz at 7500 and sbfsize at
  125*4096.)
  
  To build the Andrew Toolkit, as distributed on the X.V11R5 tape, 'cd' to
  the top-level Andrew source directory (contrib/andrew ?) and type the
  following:
  
      {path}/imake  -I.  -I./config  -Timake.tmpl  -s Makefile  -DTOPDIR=.
  
  This will generate the top-level Makefile from which the rest becomes
  easier to do. Continuing from the same directory, use the following
  commands:
  
      make World
  
  If you want to build Andrew in stages, these are the steps:
  
      make Makefiles
      make dependInstall

And finally, as for the notion of putting everything anyone might come
up with under some location such as /usr/X11R5 -- it's the most brain-
damaged scheme I can think of.

Have a good day.

Bill


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Date: 24 Oct 91 20:25:25 GMT
From: sti.com!dgreen@apple.com  (Dan R. Greening)
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Subject: Re: My 4th Build Timewaster With Andrew.
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datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:

>I followed the instructions in README that say to
>
>    {path}/imake  -I.  -I./config  -Timake.tmpl  -s Makefile  -DTOPDIR=.
>
>For some reason, the config files default to imake and makedepend being in
>/usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11.

It seems like they should default to being somewhere in the current
path, but I did fix this in my original config file.  Thanks for your
patient and helpful comments: indeed this was the problem.

>>Why can't Andrew be shipped with something that actually uses Imake?
>
>Huh?  The README file explicitly tells you to run imake.

What I mean is this:  If a contributed product is shipped with the X11R5
distribution, it should include an Imakefile which works the way people
normally use imake:  You should be able to say
	xmkmf
or
	imake -DTOPDIR=../../../mit -DCURDIR=../contrib/lib/andrew

In fact, now that I understand what I did wrong, I also see that it
would have been trivial for Andrew developers to make this work the
way people expect it.

Furthermore, with no changes, Andrew as shipped with X11R5 should produce
its output in the ProjectRoot directory.  In short, it should behave as
people would expect a product shipped with X11R5 to behave.  This, too, 
is relatively simple to do.

My complaint is mainly that Andrew did not conform to the build
requirements that contrib software is supposed to conform to.  Given
the number of people who will try to build Andrew, insufficient
attention appears to have been paid to making installation easy.
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Date: 25 Oct 91 00:35:16 GMT
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>its output in the ProjectRoot directory.  In short, it should behave as
>people would expect a product shipped with X11R5 to behave.  This, too, 

Actually, I've long expected any contrib software to do something silly.
Several packages within the R5 contrib set try to include the non-existent
Copyright.h, for example.

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Date: 25 Oct 91 03:12:29 GMT
From: orca!mesa!rthomson@uunet.uu.net  (Rich Thomson)
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In article <1991Oct25.003516.24443@convex.com>
	datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>
>Actually, I've long expected any contrib software to do something silly.
>Several packages within the R5 contrib set try to include the non-existent
>Copyright.h, for example.

Yes, caveat emptor as they say.  I for one, tested my contributed PEXt
library against the R5 alpha/beta distributions before getting it
'blessed' by the software god known as rws.  Good thing he pushed me
into doing it as the PEX api include files had mutated slightly
between releases.  (By the way, if anyone has problems with PEXt I
hope to hear from them so that I can fix them.  So far no complaints.
Is no news good news?)

						-- Rich
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:36:55 GMT
From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>It's not clear to me that libclass is an appropriate library to
>symbolically link, anyway, considering its size.

Do you mean "symbolically" (your Imakefile changes *do* make a symbolic
link) or "dynamically"?  I.e., are you saying "it's not clear whether it
shouldn't just copy the library rather than link it", or "it's not clear
why it's a shared rather than an archive library"?

It's a shared library because the SunOS 4.1/SVR4 dynamic linking support
won't work worth a damn if you make it a static library - some of the
symbols in "-lclass" have to be available to dynamically-loaded ".do"
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From: math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!opal!net@uunet.uu.net  (Oliver Laumann)
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I seem to remember that last time I looked into the Andrew system
(several years ago) it came with a window manager named `cwm'.  cwm was
a tiled window manager.  I just unpacked the Andrew distribution that
comes with X11R5 and noticed that cwm isn't there any longer.

What has happened to cwm in the meantime?  Is it still available
(separately)?
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Date: 23 Oct 91 23:54:07 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!csam.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Anthony A. Datri)
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It's kind of odd, though, that a file with the extention .a is a dynamic
library, which are by convention called *.so.n.n.  All of the other
.a files in /usr/andrew/lib are normal archives.  Actually, why do
these .a files exist at all in a dynamic system?  libmssrv.a, for example,
is upwards of 600k.  In the dlib directory, amsn.do (which hasn't been
touched since I did the install) is around a meg.

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Date: 24 Oct 91 00:08:41 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!convex!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Anthony A. Datri)
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>I tried with X11R3.  I tried with X11R4.

The R4 contrib version built easily for me.

>  And now
>I have tried with X11R5.  I failed in frustration every time.

The R5 version has a couple of problems -- as noted by the ever-wise
Mr. Harris.  I imagine we'll see a patch for those soon.  Otherwise,
it's done okay for me.  Some of the configuration files that are supposed
to be empty, though, have CMU settings in them, most of which were horribly
wrong for me.

>  # xmkmf
>  # make Makefiles
>  make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 307: Unexpected end of line seen

>Due to an unresolved cpp macro MkdirTarget($(DIRS)).

Well, I haven't tried that.  I followed the instructions in README that say
to

    {path}/imake  -I.  -I./config  -Timake.tmpl  -s Makefile  -DTOPDIR=.

For some reason, the config files default to imake and makedepend being in
/usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11.

>UseInstalled.  A more naive me would dig around and find the definition,
>but the jaded me has decided that this event and its predescessors point
>to a full-time investment of my future.

Don't give up so easily.  Apply Guy's patches and build away, doing the
imake above first.

>I'm sorry.  Andrew advertises some very interesting features.

Indeed it is.

>Why can't Andrew be shipped with something that actually uses Imake?

Huh?  The README file explicitly tells you to run imake.

>Why can't target destinations be resolved, by default, to something
>based off Imakefile destinations?  (My X11R5 code is in
>/usr/X11R5/..., as are many peoples'.)

I just let it dump into /usr/andrew, which I can make a link as needed.
I follow the same policy there as I do with the X distribution -- let it
think in terms of /usr/andrew (or /usr/{bin,lib,include}/X11), which
are links to /rmt/andrewlink (or though /rmt/Xlink), which can be set
on a per-client basis at will (/rmt is where we put NFS mounts).

>Why can't it resolve
>configuration questions, as so many other useful packages do, by
>running a shell script?

Some packages can do a great job by running a Configure script.  None that
I've seen are more than a tiny fraction of the size of the Andrew distribution,
and none of them have nearly as many configurable options.  The options
for building ATK really should be reviewed in full before setting them;
running a script would require the builder to come up with answers on the
spot before he grokked the fullness of what they meant.

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Date: 25 Oct 91 15:14:25 GMT
From: meaddata!gordon@uunet.uu.net  (Gordon Edwards)
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Is there an FTP site that has papers on the Andrew File System.  I need papers
on various technical aspects of the system.  The more academic the better (its
for a graduate class :-)

If anyone is willing to email papers, that would be great.  You can send them to
my school address: gedwards@cs.wright.edu.

Thanks.

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A bit of history for you:


1) At the time when the Andrew Distribution was first put out with the X11 
tape - using Imake was NOT a requirement (that occurred mostly with X11R4) - 
in fact up until about a week before shiping the distribution to MIT, the 
Andrew Distribution was being setup to be built with a completely different 
system.  


It turned out that this 'other system' contained code which was [or assumed to 
be] strictly copyrighted, and therefore could not be distributed with the rest 
of the code - and therefore we learned and put into effect imake for the 
complete distribution, pretty much from scratch.


2) As far as I know (and I could be very wrong here) - the MIT configuration 
files were never clearly documented anywhere - and it is rather difficult to 
follow an undocumented 'standard' - which as I said before was not a 
pre-requisite at the time we began distributing Andrew with the X11 tape.


3) Having come across a variety of Imakefiles which do use the 'standard' X11 
Imake macros - I have found them to be very in-flexible and difficult to 
modify to work in different environments (maybe I just missed something, who 
knows?) - whereas the configuration files used in the Andrew Distribution were 
naturally developed with our environment in mind.  The distribution was a way 
to let other people know about our software - but there was no reason why it 
should take precedence over our own usage in our own environment.  We simply 
tried to make our config files - verrrrrrrrry configurable (and documented - 
though in ATK format documents)


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 24-Oct-91 Re: My 4th 
Build Timewaster.. Dan R. Greening@apple.co (1708)}


\quotation{What I mean is this:  If a contributed product is shipped with the 
X11R5 distribution, it should include an Imakefile which works the way people 
normally use imake:  You should be able to say


}Who determines how "people normally use imake"?


\quotation{In fact, now that I understand what I did wrong, I also see that it 
would have been trivial for Andrew developers to make this work the way people 
expect it.

}
The way you epxected it - perhaps.  How would you have done it?  (this is out 
of curiosity - and not a statement of intent to change anything)


\quotation{Furthermore, with no changes, Andrew as shipped with X11R5 should 
produce its output in the ProjectRoot directory.  In short, it should behave 
as people would expect a product shipped with X11R5 to behave.  This, too, is 
relatively simple to do.


}Again - your perception of what should have been - does not align with what 
our perception of what needed to be, was at the time this distribution started 
- and we were never asked to change our heathen ways in any of the subsequent 
distributions by the people who were in charge of the distribution - so we 
never did.\quotation{

}
\quotation{My complaint is mainly that Andrew did not conform to the build 
requirements that contrib software is supposed to conform to.  Given the 
number of people who will try to build Andrew, insufficient attention appears 
to have been paid to making installation easy.

}
Where are these build requirements documented?  When were they written?  Do 
they make any considerations for pre-existing work (i.e. grandfather clauses)?


Given the number of people who have built the Andrew Distribution (and the 
number who have tried but ran into problems completely unrelated to the fact 
that we didn't use the MIT config files) - I'd say there is little incentive 
to change (because then we'd be messing up all of them to satisfy the few who 
choose to assume rather than read the directions)


(appologies for the snip-ish comments)


--fish

(PS: As I no longer am directly involved with the Distribution - the opinions 
above are meant only to represent my own, though others are free to share 
them.)

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R5 andrew seems to be running pretty well for us now, but we have
another font-related oddity.  Some of our users have been using the old
7-bit fonts, because they like the looks of them better.  They used to
accomplish this by including on their font path a directory that had a
different fonts.alias file, nothing more -- I believe this solution was
posted earlier on info-andrew when the international fonts were first
announced.  With R5, however, this has stopped working.  When you try to
use the 7bit fonts, you end up with really trashy fonts instead.  Any
idea why this might be happening?  Other than this, we're pretty happy
now with R5...  Thanks. -- Nathaniel

PS -- We are still running X11R4, with the R5 Andrew release, in case
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\quotation{My complaint is mainly that Andrew did not conform to the build

}\quotation{requirements that contrib software is supposed to conform to. }


Here are the guidelines I received from Bob Schleifer for contrib software:


\leftindent{Release 5 of the MIT X distribution will be made available on 
September 5,

via anonymous ftp at various sites; the sites will be announced later.

(Availability on tape from MIT prior to October is not yet determined.)

The core MIT part of the distribution, source and documentation, will

require about 100Mb of disk space.


Although preliminary contributed software will also be made available in

September, there will be a one month period for people to build and test

their software against the MIT R5 core before contributing it to us for

final distribution.  The deadline for contributions will be October 5.


All contributed software and documentation must include a copyright, and

a permission notice that is generally no more restrictive than the standard

MIT permission notice (see mit/include/copyright.h in R4, for example).

Every file should contain a copyright and permission notice, not just

directories.  MIT reserves the right to reject contributed software

containing what we judge to be inadequate copyrights or unacceptable

permission notices.  MIT reserves the right to reject public domain

software, especially public domain fonts.  If you have doubts about your

permission notice, you should send it to me for review.


All contributed software should have filenames no longer than 14 characters.

Software will not be rejected on this basis, but your software will be useless

to many people if you do not conform to this.


All contributed software should use Imakefiles.  MIT reserves the right to

reject software that does not use them.


All contributed software should be built against R5 before submission.

MIT has at least a dozen platforms on which to build software, and reserves

the right to reject software that does not build on at least a few of them

(although we make no promise to actually build anything).


The submission should be clean of garbage files.  MIT reserves the right

to reject submissions containing lots of executables, backup files, core

files, or the like.


Large PostScript files should be included in compressed format.


All contributed software must be explicitly submitted to MIT; we will not

carry forward any old (R4) software into R5, nor will we copy sources from

an ftp site without a submission request.  Contributions will not be

accepted from the public until after the R5 core is released to the public.

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I have a C file (enclosed in this message) which drives a bug in the ctext 
menu option "Rename Identifier".  (I am running ATK PL10 on an IBM RT).  This 
is what I do:


1)  Highlight the main() routine.

2)  Select Rename Identifier from the Ctext menu.

3)  Type

	inline

	input_line

to switch 'inline' to input_line.

4)  Press End key to get the cursor at the end of the routine.  Do a reverse 
search for 'inline' and you'll see that one was missed in the middle.


5)  Now highlight the rest of the file after the main() routine.

6)  Do steps (2) and (3) again.

7)  Perusing the file, you'll see lots of occurrances missed.  Here's the 
output from 'grep -n inline /tmp/test.c':


144:	    handle_input_line(inline, &order, &traces, &funcexprs, &difeqvars, 
&runtimes);

441:char *inline;	    /* INPUT: input line to deal with */

461:    char *sav_inline;

482:    printf("***handling line: <<%s>>\\n", inline);

486:    growcpy(&sav_inline, input_line);

489:    repchars(inline, "#", "");

493:    if (strlen(str_trimwhite(inline)) == 0)

501:	printf("got mode transition token: %s\\n", inline);

513:	scratch = str_trimwhite(inline);

528:	 compare_first_token(inline, RUNGE2)

530:	 compare_first_token(inline, RUNGE3))

541:	 compare_first_token(inline, EULER2))

586:		    check_nep_err(inline, offset, line);

620:	check_nep_err(inline, 0, line);

626:	    check_nep_err(inline, 0, line);


It caught a lot, but it also missed a lot.


   - \underline{Anthony}



---- Enclosure ----

/*

    Name:

	difeq


    Purpose:

	This program solves ordinary differential equations as sets of coupled first 
order equations.  It invokes graf for output, takes plain text files as input, 
and can save its results in a file.


    Programmed by:

	Mark Franklin, x3842


    Faculty involved:

	Prof. Stuart Trembly, Prof. Al Converse


    Maintained by:

	Mark Franklin, x3842

	

*/


#include <stdio.h>

#include <strfn.h>

#include <ctype.h>

#include <sys/types.h>

#include <sys/stat.h>

#include <nw.h>

#include <nep_user.h>

#include <graf_user.h>

#include "difeq.h"

	


/* external variables are given storage here */

int method = RUNGE_KUTTA_METHOD;    /* solution method */

FILE *infile = NULL;	    /* difeq equations input file */

FILE *errfile =	stdout;	    /* output errors */

FILE *outfile =	NULL;	    /* output data */

int usegraf = TRUE;	    /* if TRUE, plot results */

int grafsummary	= FALSE;    /* if TRUE, plot all results on one plot */

int sending_data = FALSE;   /* TRUE if we're writing calc data to graf */



main(argc,argv,envp)

int argc;

char **argv;

char **envp;

\{

    int i;

    struct stat statbuf;


    

    /* check switches */

    for (i=1;(argc - i) > 0;i++)

    \{

	if (*argv[i] == '-')

	\{

	    switch( *(argv[i] + 1))

	    \{

		case  'a':

		    grafsummary = TRUE;

		    break;

		case  'o':

		    if ((outfile = fopen(argv[++i],"w"))==NULL)

		    \{

			fprintf(errfile, "Error: difeq can't open output file!\\n");

			exit(-1);

		    \}

		    usegraf = FALSE;

		    break;

		case 'S':

		    outfile = stdout;	/* output to standard output */

		    break;

		case  's':

		    infile = stdin;  /* input from standard input */

		    break;

		case  'c':

		    outfile = NULL;	/* no output - check syntax only */

		    usegraf = FALSE;

		    break;

		case 'g':

		    usegraf = TRUE;	/* to override no graf effect of -o */

		    break;

		case 'i':

		    break;  /* old difeq had this option, silently ignore it */

		default:

		    fprintf(errfile, "Error: unknown difeq option: %s\\n", argv[i]);

		    usage();

		    exit(-1);

		    break;

	    \}

	\}

	else

	\{

	    /* no -, assume it's the filename */

	    if (stat(argv[i],&statbuf) !=0)

	    \{

		fprintf(errfile, "Error: difeq can't find input file: %s\\n", argv[1]);

		exit(-1);

	    \}

	    if ((infile=fopen(argv[i],"r")) == NULL)

	    \{

		fprintf(errfile, "Error: difeq can't open input file: %s\\n", argv[1]);

		exit(-1);

	    \}

	\}

    \}


    if(infile == NULL)

    \{

	fprintf(errfile,"Error: difeq needs an input file.\\n");

	usage();

	exit(-1);		/* Signal any errors to caller! */

    \}


    difeq();

\}



usage()

\{

    fprintf(errfile, "Usage:\\n    difeq inputfile [-o outputfile] [-s] [-S] 
[-c] [-g] [-a]\\n");

\}



difeq()

\{

    char inline[INBUFSIZE];

    char *traces = NULL, *funcexprs = NULL, *difeqvars = NULL, *runtimes = 
NULL;

    struct stackrec result, *resultptr = &result;

    int order = 0;

    char *statevars = NULL, *tok, *initstr, *funcstr, scratch[500];

    int len, i;

    char **tracenames;

    int *traceindices;

    int numtraces = 0;

    char *get_next_token();



    init_difeq_funcs();	    /* get difeq specific functions initialized */

    

    NEP_EVAL("time=0.0", resultptr);


    while (!feof(infile))	/* for all equation input */

    \{

	if (fgets(inline, INBUFSIZE, infile) != NULL)

	\{

	    handle_input_line(inline, &order, &traces, &funcexprs, &difeqvars, 
&runtimes);

	\}

    \}

    

    if (order == 0)

    \{

	fprintf(errfile, "> difeq ERROR: you must specify at least one differential 
equation (like da/dt)\\n");

	exit(1);

    \}


    /* get rid of last, inappropriate comma on function expressions */

    *(funcexprs + (strlen(funcexprs) - 1)) = '\\0';


    /* create the DI_y vector */

    sprintf(scratch, "DI_y = mat0(1, %d)", order);

    NEP_EVAL(scratch, resultptr);

    check_nep_err(scratch, 0, -1);   


    /* make the state variables list

      also initialize any state vars that are not already initialized */

    set_token_str(difeqvars);

    i = 0;

    while ((tok = get_next_token()) != NULL)

    \{

	*tok++ = ' ';   /* get rid of 'd' */

	len = strlen(tok);

	*(tok + strlen(tok) - 3) = '\\0';  /* trim _dt off the end */

	if (nep_getvarref(str_trimwhite(tok)) == -1)

	\{

	    initstr = NULL;

	    growcat(&initstr, tok);

	    growcat(&initstr, " = 0.0");

	    NEP_EVAL(initstr, resultptr);

	    if (nep_rc < 0)

	    \{

		fprintf(errfile, "> difeq ERROR: error initializing state variable %s\\n", 
initstr);

		exit(-nep_rc);

            \}

	    if (initstr != NULL) free(initstr);

	\}

	/* make sure DI_y vector is properly assigned */

	if (order == 1)  /* special case for non-vector solution */

	    sprintf(scratch, "DI_y = %s",tok);

	else

	    sprintf(scratch, "DI_y[c %d] = %s", i + 1, tok);

	NEP_EVAL(scratch, resultptr);

	check_nep_err(scratch, 0, -1);


	growcat(&statevars, str_trimwhite(tok));

	growcat(&statevars, " ");

        /* if (tok != NULL) free(tok); */

	i++;

    \}


    /* check to be sure we get delta and stop initialized */

    if (nep_getvarref("delta") == -1)

    \{

	/* default values almost certain to be inappropriate, but saves

	    the user from crashing and burning totally */

	fprintf(errfile, "* difeq WARNING: no delta specified, setting delta = 
0.1\\n");

	NEP_EVAL("delta=0.1", resultptr);

    \}

    if (nep_getvarref("delta") == -1)

    \{

	fprintf(errfile, "* difeq WARNING: no stop specified, setting stop = 
0.1\\n");

	NEP_EVAL("stop=1.0", resultptr);

    \}


    /* make sure we have some trace variables */

    if (traces == NULL)

    \{

	growcat(&traces, statevars);

    \}


    /* check runtime expressions for undefined variables - we already

	checked syntax in handle_input_line */

    if (runtimes != NULL)

    \{

	NEP_EVAL_CMD(runtimes);

	if (nep_rc == NEP_UNINITVAR_ERR)

	\{

	    fprintf(errfile,

		    "* difeq error: undefined variable \\"%s\\" used in a run-time 
expression\\n", nep_getvarname(nep_uninitialized_var()));

	    exit(-nep_rc);

	\}

	else if (nep_rc == NEP_UNINITFN_ERR)

	\{

	    fprintf(errfile,

		    "* difeq error: undefined function \\"%s\\" used in a run-time 
expression\\n", nep_getfnname(nep_uninitialized_fn()));

	    exit(-nep_rc);

	\}


	funcstr = NULL;

	growcat(&funcstr, "runtimes_func()\\n\{\\n");

	growcat(&funcstr, runtimes);

	growcat(&funcstr, "\}");

	NEP_EVAL_CMD(funcstr);

    \}


    if (funcstr != NULL) free(funcstr);

    funcstr = NULL;

    growcat(&funcstr,"assign_sv(LoCal_y)\\n\{\\n");

    set_token_str(statevars);

    i = 0;

    while ((tok	= get_next_token()) != NULL)	

    \{

	if (order == 1)  /* special case for non-vector solution */

	    sprintf(scratch, "\\n    %s = LoCal_y;", tok);

	else

	    sprintf(scratch, "\\n    %s = LoCal_y[c %d];", tok, i + 1);

	growcat(&funcstr, scratch);

	i++;

	if (tok != NULL) free(tok);

    \}

    growcat(&funcstr, "\\n\}\\n");

    NEP_EVAL_CMD(funcstr);

    check_nep_err(funcstr, 0, -1);

   

    

    /* build the DI_f() function and feed it to nep */

    if (funcstr != NULL) free(funcstr);

    funcstr = NULL;

    growcat(&funcstr, "DI_f(LoCal_y, time)\\n\{\\n");


    /* copy state variables out of DI_y */

    growcat(&funcstr, "    assign_sv(LoCal_y);");


    /* need to assign the function expressions */

    growcat(&funcstr, "\\n\\n    return[\\n    ");

    growcat(&funcstr, funcexprs);

    growcat(&funcstr, "\\n    ];");

    

    /* finish off and check the syntax */

    growcat(&funcstr, "\\n\}");

    NEP_EVAL_CMD(funcstr);

    check_nep_err(funcstr, 0, -1);


    /* build trace variables arrays and check for existence */

    set_token_str(traces);

    while ((tok	= get_next_token()) != NULL)	

    \{

	/* make sure the variable exists */

	if (nep_getvarref(str_trimwhite(tok)) == -1)

	\{

	    fprintf(errfile, "> difeq ERROR: variable %s in trace list isn't 
defined\\n",

		   str_trimwhite(tok));

	    exit(1);

	\}

	

	if (numtraces == 0)

	\{

	   traceindices = (int *)malloc(sizeof(int));

	   tracenames = (char**)malloc(sizeof(char *));

	\}

	else

	\{

	    traceindices = (int *)realloc(traceindices, sizeof(int) *

					  (numtraces + 1));

	    tracenames = (char**)realloc(tracenames, sizeof(char *) *

					  (numtraces + 1));

	\}

	*(tracenames + numtraces) = NULL;

	growcat(tracenames + numtraces, tok);

	

	if (str_instr(tok, statevars) < 0)   /* not a state var */

	\{

	    *(traceindices + numtraces) = -1;

	\}

	else				    /* is a state var */

	\{

	    char *tmpstr = NULL;

	    

	    /* figure out what the index is */

	    growcat(&tmpstr, statevars);

	    *(tmpstr + str_instr(tok, statevars)) = '\\0';

	    *(traceindices + numtraces) = str_copies(" ", tmpstr);

            if (tmpstr != NULL) free(tmpstr);

	\}

	numtraces++;

    \}


#ifdef DEBUG

    printf("DI_y function is:\\n %s\\n", funcstr);

    printf("function expressions are: %s\\n", funcexprs);

    if (traces != NULL)

	printf("trace variables are: %s\\n", traces);

    if (order != 0)

    \{

	printf("system is order %d\\n", order);

	printf("state variables are: %s\\n", statevars);

	printf("difeq variables are: %s\\n", difeqvars);

    \}

    if (runtimes != NULL)

	printf("run time expressions are: %s\\n", runtimes);

    for (i = 0; i < numtraces; i++)

    \{

	printf("traceindices[%d] = %d\\n", i, *(traceindices + i));

	printf("tracenames[%d] = %s\\n", i, *(tracenames + i));

    \}

#endif


    /* prepare for graf output if needed */

    if (usegraf)

    \{

	if (graf_init())

	\{

	    fprintf(errfile, "Error: difeq couldn't start graf\\n");

	    fprintf(errfile,

		    "     Are you running Northware compatible graphics?\\n");

	    usegraf = FALSE;

	\}

	else

	\{

	    graf_pointmarkmax(MAXPTSPERLINE);

	    graf_puts(PT_TYPES);

	    graf_pointsize(PT_SIZEPERCENT);

	    /* start sending the graf data */

	    graf_puts("startdata dat\\n");

	    sending_data = TRUE;

	\}

    \}

    

    /* now we are finally ready to do some solutions */

    if (method == RUNGE_KUTTA_METHOD)

	do_runge(traces, statevars, tracenames, traceindices, numtraces);

    if (method == EULER_METHOD)

	do_euler(traces, statevars, tracenames, traceindices, numtraces);


    /* finish up plotting if needed */

    if (usegraf)

    \{

	char buf[500];

	

	graf_puts("enddata\\n");

	graf_puts("viewbox on\\n");

	if (grafsummary || numtraces == 1)	/* all on one plot */

	\{

	    graf_puts("plot\\n");

	    for (i = 0; i < numtraces; i++)

	    \{

		sprintf(buf, "dat>1 dat>%d %s\\n", i+2, tracenames[i]);

		graf_puts(buf);

	    \}

	    graf_puts("endplot\\n");

	    graf_puts("wlabel 0.5 0.05 time\\n");

	\}

	else			/* individual plots, 4 per page */

	\{

	    i = 0;

	    graf_puts("window -0.1 10.0 0.0 10.0\\n");

	    graf_fontsize(0.20);

	    graf_textalign(TEXT_LEFT, TEXT_CENTER);

	    

	    while (i < numtraces)

	    \{

		sprintf(buf,

			"viewport 0.9 4.7 5.8 9.7\\n wlabel 2.5 5.2 time\\n wlabel 0.1 7.5 
%s\\nplot dat>1 dat>%d\\nendplot\\n",

			tracenames[i], i+2);

		graf_puts(buf);

		if (i+1 < numtraces)

		\{

		    sprintf(buf,

			    "viewport 5.9 9.7 5.8 9.7\\n wlabel 7.5 5.2 time\\n wlabel 5.1 7.5 
%s\\nplot dat>1 dat>%d\\nendplot\\n",

			    tracenames[i+1], i+3);

		    graf_puts(buf);

		\}

		if (i+2 < numtraces)

		\{

		    sprintf(buf,

			    "viewport 0.9 4.7 0.8 4.7\\n wlabel 2.5 0.2 time\\n wlabel 0.1 2.5 
%s\\nplot dat>1 dat>%d\\nendplot\\n",

			    tracenames[i+2], i+4);

		    graf_puts(buf);

		\}

		if (i+3 < numtraces)

		\{

		    sprintf(buf,

			    "viewport 5.9 9.7 0.8 4.7\\n wlabel 7.5 0.2 time\\n wlabel 5.1 2.5 
%s\\nplot dat>1 dat>%d\\nendplot\\n",

			    tracenames[i+3], i+5);

		    graf_puts(buf);

		\}

		i+=4;

		if (i < numtraces)

		    graf_drawpage();

	    \}

	    if (numtraces > 4)

		graf_page(1);;	/* back to first page */

	\}

	graf_close();

    \}

    

#ifdef DEBUG

    nep_save ("difeq_final_state");

#endif

\}



handle_input_line(inline, order, traces, funcexprs, statevars, runtimes)

char *inline;	    /* INPUT: input line to deal with */

int *order;	    /* INPUT/OUTPUT: count order of the difeqs */

char **traces;	    /* INPUT/OUTPUT: keep track of vars to trace */

char **funcexprs;    /* INPUT/OUTPUT: accumulate function for difeqs */

char **statevars;   /* INPUT/OUTPUT: accumulate state variable names */

char **runtimes;    /* INPUT/OUTPUT: accumulate random run-time evaluations */

\{

    /*

      Take care of an input line:

       * Trim off any trailing newlines.

       * Ignore comments.

       * Skip empty lines.

        * Ignore old difeq leftovers.

       * Record any expressions to be evaluated initially (includes delta and 
stop initializations)

       * Switch from initialization mode to run time mode upon getting an 
end_inits token

        * For d_/dt= lines, do the def, and record in funcexprs.

	* Record any trace variables.

	* Record what computation method is to be used.

	* Record any expressions to be evaluated at run time.

	      */

    char *sav_inline;

#define NUMINITS 5

    static char *end_inits[] =

      \{

	":",	/* old difeq compatibility */

	"end inits",

	"endinits",

	"stop inits",

	"stopinits"

    \};

    static int initial_mode = TRUE, line = 0;

    char *scratch, *slashloc, *c;

    struct stackrec result, *resultptr = &result;



    line++;

    

    /* get rid of the newline */

    repchars(inline, "\\n", "");

    

#ifdef DEBUG

    printf("***handling line: <<%s>>\\n", inline);

#endif


    /* save original input line for error reporting */

    growcpy(&sav_inline, inline);

    

    /* ignore comments (replace # or ; with null char) */

    repchars(inline, "#", "");

    repchars(inline, ";", "");


    /* ignore blank lines */

    if (strlen(str_trimwhite(inline)) == 0)

	return;


    /* see if we're switching modes */

    if (str_index(str_trimwhite(str_LowerCase(inline)),

		    end_inits, NUMINITS) >= 0)

    \{

#ifdef DEBUG

	printf("got mode transition token: %s\\n", inline);

#endif

	initial_mode = FALSE;

	return;

    \}


    /* check for trace statement */

    if (compare_first_token(inline, TRACE))

    \{

#ifdef DEBUG

	printf("got trace statement\\n");

#endif

	scratch = str_trimwhite(inline);

	scratch += strlen(TRACE);

	repchars(scratch, "(),", "   ");  /* old difeq had parens , */

	scratch = str_trimwhite(scratch);

	growcat(traces, scratch);   /* record the trace variables */

	growcat(traces, " ");

#ifdef DEBUG

	printf("traces are now: \{%s\}\\n", *traces);

#endif

	return;

    \}


    /* check for calculation mode setting */

    if (compare_first_token(inline, RUNGE1)

	 ||

	 compare_first_token(inline, RUNGE2)

	 ||

	 compare_first_token(inline, RUNGE3))

    \{

	

#ifdef DEBUG

	printf("setting method to runge-kutta\\n");

#endif

	method = RUNGE_KUTTA_METHOD;

	return;

    \}

    if (compare_first_token(inline, EULER1)

	 ||

	 compare_first_token(inline, EULER2))

    \{

#ifdef DEBUG

	printf("setting method to euler\\n");

#endif

	method = EULER_METHOD;  /* will be EULER_METHOD */

	return;

    \}


    /* check to see if we have one of the difeq equations */

    c = inline;

    SCAN_PAST_SPACE(c);    

    if (*c == 'd') /* start of d<var>/dt which we seek */

    \{

	while (*c != '\\0'

	       &&

	       *c != '='

	       &&

	       !isspace(*c)

	       &&

	       *c != '/')

	    c++;

	if (*c == '/')  /* found / before = or space so we have a difeq */

	\{

	    slashloc = c;

	    if (*++c == 'd'

		&&

		*++c == 't')  /* make sure we have /dt */

	    \{

		c++;

		SCAN_PAST_SPACE(c);

		if (*c == '=')

		\{

		    char buf[500];

		    char *chk = NULL;

		    int offset, len;


#ifdef DEBUG

		    printf("found a difeq: %s\\n", inline);

#endif

		    /* need to check the syntax here */

		    growcat(&chk, "cHecking__fUnction()");

		    offset = strlen(chk) - (c - inline);

		    growcat(&chk, c);

		    NEP_EVAL(chk, resultptr);

		    check_nep_err(inline, offset, line);

		    

		    /* record the state variable name (with slash converted) */

		    *slashloc = '_';  /* make d<var>/dt into d<var>_dt */

		    *c = ' ';	/* so scanf works */

		    sscanf(inline, "%s", buf);

		    len = strlen(buf);

		    *(buf + len) = ' ';     /* add a space */

		    *(buf + len + 1) = '\\0';

		    growcat(statevars, buf);

		    

		    /* record the state variable expression */

		    sprintf(buf, "\\n    %s,", str_trimwhite(c));

		    growcat(funcexprs, buf);

		    (*order)++;	/* system is one order higher */

		\}

	    \}

	    else

	    \{

		fprintf(errfile, "> difeq ERROR: syntax error at line %d\\n", line);

		fprintf(errfile, "> differential equations are specified by the form:\\n");

		fprintf(errfile, "> d<var>/dt = <expression>\\n");

		fprintf(errfile, "> you input: %s\\n", inline);

		exit(1);

	    \}

	    return;

	\}

    \}


    /* if we got this far, then we have either an initial expression or a 
run-time

	expression */

    if (initial_mode)  /* initial expression */

    \{

	NEP_EVAL(inline, resultptr);

	check_nep_err(inline, 0, line);

    \}

    else		/* run-time expression */

    \{

	/* check the syntax of this runtime expression */

	if (nep_eval_parse(inline)!= 0)

	    check_nep_err(inline, 0, line);

	nep_eval_exec(NULL);	/* keep nep state ok - see nep doco */


	/* record the runtime expression */

	growcat(runtimes, "    ");

	growcat(runtimes, str_trimwhite(inline));

	growcat(runtimes, ";\\n");

    \}

\}


#ifdef NOTUSED

#undef malloc

char *my_malloc(n)

int n;

\{

    printf("malloc %d\\n", n);

    return(malloc(n));

\}


#undef realloc

char *my_realloc(p, size)

char *p; int size;

\{

    printf("realloc %ld, %d\\n", p, size);

    return(realloc(p, size));

\}


#undef free

my_free(p)

\{

    printf("free %ld\\n", p);

    return(free(p));

\}

#endif


---- Enclosure ----

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Subject: debugging:  GDB 4.2 and ATK 5.0.0
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Date: 	Tue, 29 Oct 1991 18:38:53 PST

The patched version of GDB 3.5 I have (with the add-dlopened-files
command) works just fine with the SunOS dynamic loading in ATK 5.0.0.

But with GDB 4.2 (and its "shared" command), I get the following
error:

  28 % gdb runapp
  GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
   under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
  There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
  GDB 4.2, Copyright 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
  (gdb) run aquanet -d
  Starting program: /project/andrew/r5/installed/bin/runapp aquanet -d
  Cannot access memory at address 0xf7803f20.
  (gdb) 

which is not useful.

And, for completeness, ATK 5.0.0 with GDB 4.0:

  29 % gdb-4.0 runapp
  Reading symbols from runapp...done.
  (gdb) run aquanet -d
  Starting program: /project/andrew/r5/installed/bin/runapp aquanet -d
  runapp: There is no known application or datatype called aquanet.
  
  Program exited with code 0377.
  (gdb) 

Any hints on what to look for?

Bill
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Problems with andrew on a d.. Keith Lewis@mukluk.cc.mo (1793)}


\quotation{I'd really appreciate it if someone out there could tell me what to 
do next.

}\quotation{Thanks in anticipation.

}\quotation{Keith Lewis

}
You've run into a bug.  Go to line 1171 in andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c:


	#2  0x49ef6c in SetForegroundBackground (self=0x100132a0,

	    foregroundColor=0x100131a0, backgroundColor=0x10017180,

	    foreground=0x49db6c, background=0x106ba50) at xim.c:1171


You'll find that you are in a block that that gets entered based on this test:


    if (foregroundColor != NULL)  \{


Add another clause to the test:


    if (foregroundColor != NULL && *foregroundColor != NULL)  \{


There's a similar test for backgroundColor farther down.  Make these two 
fixes, rebuild andrew/atk/basics and andrew/atk/apps:


% cd andrew/atk/basics

% make Install

% cd ../apps

% make Install


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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In the R5 release of Andrew, in the Messages program, sometimes when you
go from one folder to the next using keystrokes, the folders (or
occasionally even the captions) area doesn't get updated.  That is,
you've gone on to the next folder, but the previous folder is still
highlighted in the folders area.  Typing ^L always fixes this bug.

This sounds like a classic case of failing to call WantUpdate.  Since
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changed something in Messages that might account for this behavior,
before I waste a lot of time trying to figure it out.  -- NB
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Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (915+0)}



\quotation{You've run into a bug.  Go to line 1171 in 
andrew/atk/basics/x/xim.c:

}
\quotation{	#2  0x49ef6c in SetForegroundBackground (self=0x100132a0,

}\quotation{	    foregroundColor=0x100131a0, backgroundColor=0x10017180,

}\quotation{	    foreground=0x49db6c, background=0x106ba50) at xim.c:1171

}
\quotation{You'll find that you are in a block that that gets entered based on 
this test:

}
\quotation{    if (foregroundColor != NULL)  \{

}
\quotation{Add another clause to the test:

}
\quotation{    if (foregroundColor != NULL && *foregroundColor != NULL)  \{

}
\quotation{There's a similar test for backgroundColor farther down.  Make 
these two fixes, rebuild andrew/atk/basics and andrew/atk/apps:

}
I've done this too, but on the DECstation 5000/200PX (still with the X11R3 
server, \bold{\underline{many}} thanks to DEC :-(), the

gdb-session (this time with help) looks like this:


Script started on Wed Oct 30 14:58:58 1991

io(root)> gdb runapp


GDB 3.5, Copyright (C) 1989 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY for GDB; type "info warranty" for details.

GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it

 under certain conditions; type "info copying" to see the conditions.

Reading symbol data from /usr/andrew/bin/runapp...done.

Type "help" for a list of commands.

(gdb) run -d helpapp -d


Starting program: /usr/andrew/bin/runapp -d helpapp -d

 helpapp: text = 0x01050a70  data = 0x01053b40  entry = 0x01050d3c

Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

 help: text = 0x01061370  data = 0x0106b170  entry = 0x010615f0

 helpdb: text = 0x01072608  data = 0x01078448  entry = 0x01072608

 panel: text = 0x0108bab8  data = 0x0108ce18  entry = 0x0108bd38


xgraphic__FillRectSize> self = 17397012, x= 0, y = 0,

     width = 356, height = 440, Tile = 17493116


xgraphic_SetupFillGC> self = 17397012, Tile = 17493116


xgraphic__FillRectSize> self = 17318160, x= 0, y = 11,

     width = 18, height = 418, Tile = 0


xgraphic_SetupFillGC> self = 17318160, Tile = 0


Program received signal 11, Segmentation fault

xgraphic_SetupFillGC (17318372, 0) (xgraphic.c line 904)


904		    XSetStipple(xgraphic_XDisplay(self),

(gdb) where


#0  xgraphic_SetupFillGC (17318372, 0) (xgraphic.c line 904)

#1  0x46b564 in xgraphic__FillRectSize () (xgraphic.c line 927)

#2  0x44866c in sbuttonv__DrawBorder () (sbuttonv.c line 275)

#3  0x43ee08 in draw_bar () (scroll.c line 1107)

#4  0x43f11c in draw_everything () (scroll.c line 1153)

#5  0x43fb40 in scroll__FullUpdate () (scroll.c line 1302)

#6  0x43a89c in DoFullUpdate () (lpair.c line 93)

#7  0x43ac44 in lpair__FullUpdate () (lpair.c line 197)

#8  0x1067160 in ?? (2147464260)

#9  0x43a89c in DoFullUpdate () (lpair.c line 93)

#10 0x43ac44 in lpair__FullUpdate () (lpair.c line 197)

#11 0x40dc4c in frame__FullUpdate () (frame.c line 392)

#12 0x47b29c in xim__HandleRedraw () (xim.c line 2249)

#13 0x47bcbc in HandleExposure () (xim.c line 2469)

#14 0x47d090 in xim__RedrawWindow () (xim.c line 3091)

#15 0x473758 in im__RedrawChangedWindows () (im.c line 1751)

#16 0x474078 in im__Interact () (im.c line 2052)

#17 0x4744d4 in im__KeyboardProcessor () (im.c line 2264)

#18 0x48da60 in application__Run () (app.c line 340)

#19 0x1051cb0 in ?? (17106164, 2147465950, 0, 0)

#20 0x40090c in main () (runapp.c line 218)

(gdb) quit


The program is running.  Quit anyway? (y or n) y


io(root)> exit


script done on Wed Oct 30 15:07:19 1991




I checked tile, which is supposed to have a nonNULL value in the call of 
\typewriter{XSetStipple}, and it was NULL. The problem is in line 830


	"else if ( tile == NULL ) tile = self->lastFillTile;"


-> tile remains NULL...


I secured the  call, and (as far i've tested) all runs fine, but the 
scrollbars are black on black... but even worse: the color handling regarding 
dialog and selector boxes - in PL10 we got the box text black on black, now i 
can see the text, but the rest is black on black...


Many thanks in advance for any help,


	J\^{|}rgen



P.S.: "Sorry for writing such a long letter, but i had no time for a shorter 
one." (Goethe)


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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Messages seems to be especially screwy:
My preferences for scroll bars look like:  (these are ugly but were good
for figuring this out)

messages.ScrollElevatorForeground: Pink
messages.ScrollElevatorBackground: SteelBlue
*.ScrollForeground: White
*.ScrollBackground: SlateGray

When messages  and send-message first come up they look about right.
As soon as messages finishes finding changed folders all of the
elevators turn black. After closing and openning the messages window all
of the colors have turned to black except the buttonforeground might be
darkblue.  send-message doesn't exibit any of these anomolous behaviors.

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Hi,

	I have \typewriter{ATK5.0} running fine apart from one small quirk - the icon 
on the more menu shows up as a sort of `w' rather than the proper icon. I 
remember having this problem in pl10, but I can't remember how I fixed it! Any 
help would be welcome...


Steve.

-----

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Department of Computing, Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine,

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Subject: problems making Andrew 5.0.0 on rs_aix31

Following all the directions in the README file, I get the following
error messages *quite* often during the compilation:

        /home/centc2/usrandrew/bin/makedo  -d /home/centc2/usrandrew/lib -b /home/centc2/usrandrew/bin -L/home/centc2/usrandrew/lib  -o environ.do environ.o  /home/centc2/usrandrew/lib/libutil.a /home/centc2/usrandrew/lib/libafs.a  -lbsd
0706-222 WARNING:  Import version of 'setpgrp' replaced by import definition.
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0706-222 WARNING:  Import version of 'timezone' replaced by import definition.
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0706-222 WARNING:  Import version of '_signal' replaced by import definition.
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0706-222 WARNING:  Import version of 'sleep' replaced by import definition.
0706-222 WARNING:  Import version of '.sleep' replaced by import definition.
        /home/centc2/usrandrew/bin/doindex environ.do

The software apears to compile otherwise cleanly, and EZ and the
few insets that I tried worked just fine.  However, when I started
up Messages, the process hung so hard that it took a reboot to get it
killed completely.  Since the README file doesn't mention this, I have
come to suspect this warning message as being somehow related.

I can provide the contents of site.h, etc., and AndrewSetup if need be
(but the machine just died, so I can't include them here).

-GAWollman
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Subject: bug in ctext and ltext insets

If you insert a ctext or ltext inset into the middle of a text inset,
and then print it or preview it, the output and preview window have the
c or lisp offest to the left (undented) by 16 points.   I do not know
why this is, but it is instructive to note that there is a `ti -16p
before (almost?) every line of c or lisp code.

I do not read nor write C well enough to track this down.  I have got it
about 60% fixed with a real kludge:  I have a format command that calls
a shell script that uses sed (and friends) to modify the troff code!   I
would think that someone has a better way.

Other than this, ltext and ctext insets are a great way to insert sample
code into documentation.   

    ralph hill
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For several years, with support from IBM, the Information Technology Center 
has made public releases of the Andrew Toolkit under terms consistent with the 
X Consortium guidelines.  Our recent release of ATK 5.0 on X11R5 is the last 
such release.  Future software releases by the ITC may restrict 
commercialization rights, abandon backward compatibility, or emphasize new 
research directions.  The existing ATK 5.0 source code will remain available.


It is now time for ATK to become self-supporting.  The ITC is establishing a 
consortium to continue development, support, and distribution of ATK in 
accordance with members' needs.  Interested parties should contact Fred Hansen 
(wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu, 412-268-6788) for more information.


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I'm trying to compile the x11r5 contrib release of the
andrew software.  The system type is Sun4_41 (SPARC 1 w 4.1.1 OS).

Here's were the compile bombs:
---------------------------------------
cc -pic -c  -O -I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I//usr/in
clude/X11   arbcon.c
"/usr/andrew/include/atk/fontdesc.ih", line 52: syntax error at or near word "
struct"
"/usr/andrew/include/atk/fontdesc.ih", line 56: syntax error at or near symbol
 }
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `arbcon.o'
Current working directory /bryant/u0/kriso/Andrew/atk/adew
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
------------------------------------------

Heres what I've been able to deduce so far:
1) This was in the atk/adew directory. 
2) The include tree is as follows:

	arbcon.c -> controlv.ih -> buttonv.ih -> fontdesc.ih


Has anyone reported this?  Is there a patch?  

-Kris Olander
 NCD Technical Support
 kriso@ncd.com

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Excerpts from ext.andrew: 30-Oct-91 ATK Consortium John
Howard@andrew.cmu.e (792+0)

> For several years, with support from IBM, the Information Technology
> Center has made public releases of the Andrew Toolkit under terms
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> 5.0 on X11R5 is the last such release.  Future software releases by the
> ITC may restrict commercialization rights, abandon backward
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> 5.0 source code will remain available.

What about patches?  What about info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu?

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Having installed the new Andrew Relase (5.0) we now have some 
problems with the fonts in our self-written Andrew-based applications.
When specifying 
    fontdesc_Create("andytype", fontdesc_Bold, 12)
and assigning this font to some views, the resulting size of the 
characters is clearly more than 12 points. 

We installed Andrew without undefining ISO80_FONTS_ENV as suggested 
by README.ez. Since we thought that the X-Server took the 100dpi-fonts,
we edited the font.alias file and inserted the 75dpi specification into
the adobe-font strings. No result!
The strange thing is, that if you use `typewriter` in ez (which is
indeed andytype) you get a font of the correct size.

Any suggestions ?

M. Baumeister
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I can add, I think, a little bit more to the problem I described
in my earlier message.

First, the problem (turning into an un-killable process) affects CUI
as well as Messages.  Secondly, the problem did not happen to CUI
(because the demo could build) before I created my AndrewSetup file
for the RS.

Here is what it looks like, maybe those smarter Andrew heads can tell
me if I've really screwed something up this time?

AndrewDir: /home/centc2/usrandrew
ThisDomain: uvm.edu
AMS_UseWP: no
ThisDomainWPDirectory: /home/centc2/usrandrew/wp
Print.NonAndrew: yes
PrintCommand: psdit | rsh griffin lpr -P$PRINTER -J%s
AMS_UsersAreGrownups: yes
AMS_DevConsoleIsSacred: yes
WPIUpdateReqAddr: wollman
AMS_OnlyMail: no
LocalBboardRoot: /home/centc2/usrandrew/.MESSAGES_bb
DefaultMSPath: $MAIL:$LOCAL
AMS_PrinterNamesInPrintcap: yes
AMS_NamedValidPrinters: embalaz
AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes: .bitnet,.UUCP
AMS_ValidDomainRelays: uvmvax.uvm.edu,uunet.uu.net
AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname: yes
AMS_GecosHacks: yes
AMS_WPValidation: 1
AMS_PasswdValidation: 1
DefaultSurfaceAddress: University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 05405
AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail


Note that there are some conflicting options wrt the White Pages.  I
intend to let the system use WP, but not until I've built the
database.  For this reason, I compiled with WHITEPAGES_ENV, but tried
to turn in off at the top.  Could it be getting confused by the other
options?

Now, I *know* that most of these options worked before, when I was
using Andrew on Suns (although maybe not in this combination?)  In any
event, I don't know enough about AMS and the RS6k to understand what's
going on here.

-GAWollman
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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs.umn.edu!bru!bru!bmc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bruce Cameron)
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In building Andrew 5.0 on a Sun Sparcstation (SunOS4.1.1) I ran into a problem building ./andrew/overhead/fonts/fonts/programs. I get a syntax error when building shape10.bdf

sed -e 's/^$spacing \(.*\),.*$/$spacing \1,0/' \
shape10.fdb > /tmp/shape10.tfdb
/home/camaro/ANDREW/SUN/bin/fdbbdf /tmp/shape10.tfdb >/tmp/shape10.bdf
/usr/openwin/bin/convertfont -n `egrep '^FONT ' /tmp/shape10.bdf | \
sed -e 's/FONT //'` -o shape10 -f 200 /tmp/shape10.bdf
Syntax error in file /tmp/shape10.bdf at line 968:
        
rm -f /tmp/shape10.bdf /tmp/shape10.tfdb

Does anyone have a patch for this, or can tell me why I get a syntax error (line 968 is blank).

Thanks.

-- 
--Bruce

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This patch from Guy Harris should fix the problem you describe.


-Rob Ryan

Student Programmer, ATK group


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 21-Oct-91 "shape10.fdb" 
has a spuriou.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (613)}


\quotation{The font file in "overhead/fonts/fonts/programs/shape10.fdb" has a 
blank

}\quotation{line in it that survives the "sed" script that munches on the 
"fdb"

}\quotation{file, and also survives the fdb-to-bdf conversion process. 

}\quotation{Unfortunately, the Open Windows font compiler "convertfont" does 
*not*

}\quotation{particularly care for this blank line, and refuses to compile the 
font.

}
\quotation{*** overhead/fonts/fonts/programs/shape10.fdb.dist	Wed Oct  2 
21:03:14 1991

}\quotation{--- overhead/fonts/fonts/programs/shape10.fdb	Sun Oct 20 16:23:09 
1991

}\quotation{***************

}\quotation{*** 847,853 ****

}\quotation{  8800

}\quotation{  8800

}\quotation{  F800

}\quotation{- 

}\quotation{  $character 97 a

}\quotation{  $box 16,16

}\quotation{  $spacing 16,0

}\quotation{--- 847,852 ----

}

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Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 28-Oct-91 Problem with
shape10.fbd Bruce Cameron@mayo.edu (1289)

> In building Andrew 5.0 on a Sun Sparcstation (SunOS4.1.1) I ran into a
> problem building ./andrew/overhead/fonts/fonts/programs. I get a syntax
> error when building shape10.bdf. 

> Does anyone have a patch for this, or can tell me why I get a syntax
> error (line 968 is blank).

I don't know why it's a blank line, but that is the problem.  Just remove it.

Gary Keim
ATK Group
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I am trying to create a transient window but get only the following X warning
messages and no window at all:
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 code 0 ign
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.  If you have any idea, please respond directly to me.  Thanks!

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From: andy@ginger.roma.intecs.it (Andrew Takats)
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I am trying to create a transient window but get only the following X warning
messages and no window at all:
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 code 0 ign
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Speaking as the author of the im_CreateTransient code...

It was developed under X11R4.  I'm pretty sure that what was shipped
with patch 10 works.

Please send the ACTUAL CODE you are writing that calls
im_CreateTransient, and I may be able to help you.  Also please tell me
what the RCS revision numbers are for the following files in your ATK
source tree:

atk/basics/x/xim.c
atk/basics/x/xim.ch
atk/basics/common/im.c
atk/basics/common/im.ch

-wdc
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\quotation{What about patches?  What about info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu?}


The Consortium will continue info-andrew.


Right now it doesn't look like we will issue very many patches to ATK 5.0. 
 Future distributions will probably be to, and thence through, the members of 
the consortium.


Fred Hansen

Director, ATK Consortium

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Date: 31 Oct 91 18:52:02 GMT
From: meaddata!gordon@uunet.uu.net  (Gordon Edwards)
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Does anyone use message and sendmessage in conjunction with standard unix mail?
I would like to use the programs but I am having trouble recognizing new mail.

System info.

	Sun SPARCstation 1+
	SunOS 4.1.1


	Thanks,

	Gordon Edwards
	Mead Data Central
	gordon@meaddata.com
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:38:24 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!schemers@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Roland Schemers III)
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Is there anyone out there using Ultrix that can print and preview files?
Is there a way to get things to work using gtroff, groff, etc?

thanks!

Roland



-- 
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Date: 29 Oct 91 05:30:59 GMT
From: csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu0.cc.monash.edu.au!mukluk!keithl@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu  (Keith Lewis)
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Hi all,
	After fetching the post X11R5 contrib tape, and doing what I thought
the README told me to do, including `make World', which ran for hours, and
finally produced about 75 Mbytes of things in /usr/local/andrew, without any
error messages, I kinda wondered what to do next.  Eventually I tried to run
some of the files in /usr/local/andrew/bin.  All of them core dump with a segmentation fault:

	mukluk> set path=( /usr/local/andrew /usr/local/andrew/bin $path )

	mukluk> which ez
	/usr/local/andrew/bin/ez

	mukluk> ez
	Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
	Segmentation fault (core dumped)

	mukluk> which help
	/usr/local/andrew/bin/help

	mukluk> help
	Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
	Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Rereading the README I came across the gdb suggestion and tried that:

	mukluk> gdb runapp
	Reading symbols from runapp...done.

	(gdb) run -d ezapp foo.ras -d
	Starting program: /usr/local/andrew/bin/runapp -d ezapp foo.ras -d
	Program received signal 11, Segmentation fault
	strlen () at ../strlen.c:36
	../strlen.c:36: No such file or directory.

	(gdb) where
	#0  strlen () at ../strlen.c:36
	#1  0x4e48b8 in XParseColor () at XParseCol.c:160
	#2  0x49ef6c in SetForegroundBackground (self=0x100132a0,
	    foregroundColor=0x100131a0, backgroundColor=0x10017180,
	    foreground=0x49db6c, background=0x106ba50) at xim.c:1171
	#3  0x49f37c in xim__CreateWindow (self=0x7fffb6fc, host=0x4a1c70 "4")
	    at xim.c:1242
	Cannot access memory at address 0x41f6994.

	(gdb)^D The program is running.  Quit anyway? (y or n) y
	mukluk> ^D
	script done on Tue Oct 29 15:28:16 1991

I'd really appreciate it if someone out there could tell me what to do next.
Thanks in anticipation.
Keith Lewis
(keithl@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au)
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Date: 29 Oct 91 00:51:22 GMT
From: sti.com!dgreen@apple.com  (Dan R. Greening)
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Subject: Re: My 4th Build Timewaster With Andrew.
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>dgreen@sti.com writes:
ghoti+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Adam Stoller) writes:

>Who determines how "people normally use imake"?
...
>> In fact, now that I understand what I did wrong, I also see that it
>> would have been trivial for Andrew developers to make this work the way
>> people expect it.
>
>The way you expected it - perhaps.  How would you have done it?  (this
>is out of curiosity - and not a statement of intent to change anything)

Well, the way people use imake is the way X uses imake.  What I mean is
this:  you should be able to go to a part of the tree higher than the
component in question, and type something like this:

  cd /s/R5/contrib
  xmkmf
  make Makefiles
  make includes
  make depends
  make
  make install

and everything under the tree is made using some default target location
gleaned from the X11 configuration.  So if "lib/andrew" is a subdirectory of
"/s/R5/contrib", it gets built with no modifications, using a reasonable
default configuration.

That is how most applications are built.  All of the X11R5 official
code and most of the contrib code builds this way.

I suggest that andrew built under X11R5 gets put in something like
this:

#ifdef ProjectDir
  build andrew into ProjectDir/andrew/(bin,lib,include)
#else
  build andrew into /usr/andrew(bin,lib,include)
#endif

Currently, Andrew and about 6 out of many contributions do not build this
way.

>Again - your perception of what should have been - does not align with
>what our perception of what needed to be, was at the time this
>distribution started - and we were never asked to change our heathen
>ways in any of the subsequent distributions by the people who were in
>charge of the distribution - so we never did.

I understand that.  I am raising the issue now in hopes that something
more easily installed will be generated for the next go around.  It is
not for me that I ask this: I've built Andrew, I now understand its build
procedure.  I can build it again if necessary.

The issue is for CMU, and it really depends on how widely distributed
CMU wants Andrew to go.  If it is hard for neophytes to generate an Andrew
build, many will not.
-- 
____
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Date: 29 Oct 91 10:26:30 GMT
From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!sicsun!disuns2!disuns2.epfl.ch!simon@uunet.uu.net  (Simon Leinen)
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In article <10880@vela.acs.oakland.edu> schemers@vela.acs.oakland.edu
(Roland Schemers III) writes:

   Is there anyone out there using Ultrix that can print and preview files?
   Is there a way to get things to work using gtroff, groff, etc?

I put the following in the AndrewSetup and it seems to work:

PrinterType:	ps
FormatCommand:	groff -T$PRINTERTYPE -e /tmp/%s.n |
PrintCommand:	psrev | lpr

The "-e" tells groff to use eqn; psrev is a page-reversing filter
which I use because our printer is face-up; if you don't have/need it,
and lpr accepts PostScript(TM) files, you can simply use lpr as the
PrintCommand.
-- 
Simon Leinen.
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
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First - many thanks to all who helped me use groff instead of ditroff.

Next (is there a FAQ for this group; I'm pretty sure this is one of them) :-<

    I'm trying to create a template from scratch by using EZ and "edit styles"
on an empty document; I can't seem to make the characteristics of the <No Menu>
global style actually take any effect on the body text as the help implies that
it should (and as it does in the provided templates!)

    I expect I'll be red-faced when the answer comes but I'll just grin and
bear it I guess, Nigel.
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From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!mayer@uunet.uu.net  (Hans Mayer)
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>> What I mean is this:  If a contributed product is shipped with the X11R5
>> distribution, it should include an Imakefile which works the way people
>> normally use imake:  You should be able to say

I have never had any problems with imake. BTW, what is xmkmf? :-)

...sorry, couldn't resist :-)
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Date: 30 Oct 91 14:53:03 GMT
From: sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!newstop!eastapps!eastnews!blevine@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Brian Levine - Sun BOS Software)
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I have built the Andrew distribution against Open Windows 2.0 and X11R4 on
a Sparcstation 2 running SunOS 4.1.1.  When running most of the Andrew
apps I get numerous X errors.  Mostly BadFont errors.  Any ideas?


TIA!

-Brian Levine
Sun Microsystems
Boston Development Center
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