\begindata{text822, 0} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 12:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 12:45:54 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 12:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from sutro.SFSU.EDU (sutro.sfsu.edu [130.212.15.230]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id MAA03240; Sun, 7 Nov 1993 12:44:16 -0500 Received: by sutro.SFSU.EDU (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA25217; Sun, 7 Nov 93 09:41:32 PST Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 09:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael C. McRay" Subject: NII Survey for Multimedia Developers To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Multimedia Software Developer, In fulfillment of master's degree work at San Francisco State University's Graduate School of Business, I am conducting a study of the attitudes held by company decision makers toward proposed online services of state and national information infrastructures. I am specifically targeting multimedia software development businesses for the survey sample. My objective is to determine the applicability of these proposed services to meeting your company's business information requirements, and to model your company's current usage of online information services. Your participation in the survey will make a substantial contribution to the accuracy and success of this study. All responses will be treated in strict confidence. Any dissemination of findings will be only of statistical totals with no specific reference to the individual respondent or to their company. Your assistance will be greatly appreciated and will advance our understanding of the demand for information infrastructure services. Please complete the attached questionnaire and return it to me via email at your earliest convenience. My email address is "mmcray@sutro.sfsu.edu". If you would like a synopsis of research results, check the appropriate answer in the last question of the survey. Please contact me at 415/824-2312 or at the above email address if you have any questions regarding this study. Thank you for your time and interest. Sincerely, Michael C. McRay ------------------------------------------------------- Attitudes of Company Decision Makers Toward Proposed Information Infrastructure Services Please rate the degree of interest your company has toward the following online services by typing an "X" before the appropriate answer. A. Electronic Commerce Services 1. Directory Services (using online services to find suppliers, buyers, and development partners) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 2. Product Catalog Services (making your company's product descriptions available through online information services and using online services to view other companies' product catalogs) a. Placing your product catalog online __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested b. Accessing other companies' catalogs online __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 3. Procurement Services (ordering products through an online service) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 4. Remittance Services (conducting monetary transactions through an automated online service) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 5. Collaborative Product Development Services (outsourcing development efforts to remote partners and using the network as a collaborative communications medium) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 6. The cost for the above bundled electronic commerce services is composed of a fixed monthly connection fee plus a variable usage fee. What fixed monthly connection fee would your company pay for online electronic commerce services? __ $0 to $100 __ $101 to $400 __ $401 to $700 __ $701 to $900 __ $901 to $1,200 __ over $1,201 7. What usage fee would your company pay per transaction for procurement, remittance and collaboration services? Please exclude directory and catalog services from your answer. __ $0 to $0.10 __ $0.11 to $0.50 __ $0.51 to $0.90 __ $0.91 to $1.30 __ $1.31 to $1.70 __ over $1.71 ------------------------------------------------------- B. Online Technology Transfer Services 1. Access to online information on research in progress within the University of California system and other research communities __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 2. Access to online descriptions of technologies available for licensing __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 3. Access to online information on the availability of research facilities, equipment and instrumentation for use by your company __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 4. The cost for the above bundled technology transfer services is composed of a fixed yearly subscription fee plus variable usage and report fees. What fixed annual subscription fee would your company pay for online technology transfer services? __ $0 to $1,000 __ $1,001 to $4,000 __ $4,001 to $7,000 __ $7,001 to $10,000 __ over $10,0001 5. What usage fee would your company pay per minute for access to the above online technology transfer service? __ $0 to $0.05 __ $0.06 to $0.15 __ $0.16 to $1.50 __ $1.51 to $2.50 __ $2.51 to $3.50 __ over $3.51 6. What report fee would your company pay per report from the above online technology transfer service? __ $0 to $0.10 __ $0.11 to $2.00 __ $2.01 to $4.00 __ $4.01 to $6.00 __ $6.01 to $8.00 __ over $8.01 ------------------------------------------------------- C. Online Business Assistance Services 1. Access to online information on capital sources (venture capitalists profiles, financial institutions, small business administration loans) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 2. Access to online information on marketing and distribution resources (profiles of marketing and distribution providers, company profiles, potential partner profiles) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 3. Access to online information on general management and training resources (directories of available training programs, expert profiles, business and management profiles) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 4. Access to online business assistance libraries (directories of economic development service providers and program profiles, directories of available programs, eligibility requirements) __ not interested __ slightly interested __ interested __ very interested __ highly interested 5. How many hours per month would your company access the above bundled business assistance services? __ 0 to 1 hours __ 1 to 4 hours __ 4 to 7 hours __ 7 to 10 hours __ 10 to 13 hours __ over 13 hours 6. What monthly price would your company pay for the above bundled business assistance services? __ $0 to $100 __ $101 to $600 __ $601 to $1,100 __ $1,101 to $1,600 __ $1,601 to $2,100 __ over $2,101 ------------------------------------------------------- Desired online services Are there any online services not included in the above list which would be useful for your business? Please answer in text below this question. ------------------------------------------------------- Use of existing online services 1. Does your company use any of the following online services? Please check the services used and fill in your company's monthly usage charges. __ CompuServe - Monthly charges: __ Prodigy - Monthly charges: __ America Online - Monthly charges: __ GEnie - Monthly charges: __ Any Internet Service Provider - Monthly charges: __ Delphi - Monthly charges: __ Other: ________ Monthly charges: __ Other: ________ Monthly charges: __ Other: ________ Monthly charges: __ Other: ________ Monthly charges: 2. How does your company use these services? Please rate their importance to your company on a scale from 1 to 5 with 1 as the least important and 5 as the most important. Please indicate a value of 0 for unused services. General information - Rating: Software downloads - Rating: Technical discussions - Rating: Business communications - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: 3. If your company has Internet access, who is your Internet provider? 4. Does your company have an Internet domain name? Please check the correct response. __ YES __ NO If yes, please fill in your company's domain name. 5. What Internet applications does your company use? Please rate their importance to your company on a scale from 1 to 5 with 1 as the least important and 5 as the most important. Please indicate a rating of 0 for unused Internet applications. E-mail - Rating: File transfer - Rating: Remote login to other computers - Rating: Network news - Rating: Mailing lists - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: Other: ______ - Rating: 6. Please describe your company's usage of EDI (electronic data interchange). How much does your company spend on EDI annually? ____ 7. How much does your company spend on monthly telecommunications services? ____ 8. What type of telecommunications connectivity does your company use? Please check the correct answers. __ Switched Lines __ Private Lines __ Leased Lines __ T1 __ T2 __ ISDN __ Other: __ Other: 9. Please describe any telecommuting activities in use by your company. 10. What type of LAN architecture is in use within your company's office environment. Please check the correct answers. __ Ethernet __ Token Ring __ ARCnet __ Starlan __ AppleTalk __ TCP/IP __ Other: ------------------------------------------------------- Respondent Classification Information 1. Your name: 2. Your title: 3. Company name: 4. Company street address: 5. Company city, state, zip: 6. Number of employees: 7. Would you like to receive a synopsis of this study? __ YES __ NO \enddata{text822, 0} \begindata{text822, 11333} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (sally.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.112.172]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id GAA00392; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:24:04 -0500 Received: from urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA23516; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:22:57 +0100 Received: from picasso (picasso.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-12) id AA04884; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:22:56 +0100 Received: from dali.INFO5 by picasso (4.1/I5.4) id AA28008; Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:25:16 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dali.INFO5.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.dali.INFO5.sun4_41; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:25:15 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4grrsPq9sjU=EyEG0y@picasso.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:25:15 +0100 (MET) From: Stefan Eherer X-Andrew-Message-Size: 921+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: AUIS on HP9000 machines \begindata{text,1478928} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} Hi, we are running the AUIS on Sun SPARC machines since 1989 and all things work well (thanks for all the improvements since then). Now we are thinking about a port of our own stuff to other machines and tried to start with HP9000/720. Again, all things worked well for HP_UX 8x. Unfortunately, after upgrading to HP_UX 9.01 and reinstalling Andrew with the same parameters as before does not work. Not even ez or the other runapp-based tolls come up. Are there any config parameters which have to be changed according to the new version of HP_UX? If so, are there any people outside who have done the upgrade and reinstalled Andrew successfully? Any hints are appreciated. Thanks a lot. Stefan Eherer ================================================ Stefan Eherer Informatik V (Information Systems) Technical University of Aachen Ahornstr. 55 D-52074 Aachen, Germany ================================================\ \enddata{text,1478928} \enddata{text822, 11333} \begindata{text822, 14027} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:00:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim X-Andrew-Message-Size: 473+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: AUIS on HP9000 machines In-Reply-To: <4grrsPq9sjU=EyEG0y@picasso.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <4grrsPq9sjU=EyEG0y@picasso.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> \begindata{text,539963016} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 9-Nov-93 AUIS on HP9000 machines Stefan Eherer@picasso.in (921+0)} \quotation{Are there any config parameters which have to be changed according to the new version of HP_UX? If so, are there any people outside who have done the upgrade and reinstalled Andrew successfully? } Something changed with HPUX9.01 and it broke the dynamic loading employed by ATK. We have a work-around that will be available in our upcoming X11R6 release. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium \enddata{text,539963016} \enddata{text822, 14027} \begindata{text822, 15857} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 02:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 02:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) with SMTP id CAA24275; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 02:50:33 -0500 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA16715; Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:50:30 +0100 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA01013; Thu, 11 Nov 93 08:50:29 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 08:50:27 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 08:50:27 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Binding mouse buttons I would like to re-bind the mouse buttons in ATK. Is this possible to do with some init file or do I have to "Use The Source" ? Chris \enddata{text822, 15857} \begindata{text822, 17323} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:32:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Christer Bernerus Subject: Re: Binding mouse buttons In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 11-Nov-93 Binding mouse buttons Christer Bernerus@cs.cha (138) > I would like to re-bind the mouse buttons in ATK. Is this possible to do > with some init file or do I have to "Use The Source" ? I'm afraid you'll have to "Use the Source, Chris" :-( the appropriate source is atk/basics/x/xim.c, search for ButtonPress. ) An extended event binding scheme is in the wishlist, but there are alas several higher priority items. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium \enddata{text822, 17323} \begindata{text822, 18979} X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: via nntpserv with nntp; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 08:29:24 -0500 (EST) Path: andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ucbvax!STC.NATO.INT!yy From: yy@STC.NATO.INT (Yanis Yeorgaroudakis) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Add to the mailing list Message-ID: <199311121248.AA25420@stc.nato.int> Date: 12 Nov 93 12:48:59 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The Internet Lines: 9 Could the mail admin add my name to the mailing list please? I would also like to add a question to this mail. Does Andrew have a windows NT version? Are there any plans? How can I get the latest distribution. Is the CD distribution still available? Thanks, Yannis Yeorgaroudakis \enddata{text822, 18979} \begindata{text822, 19945} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 07:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 07:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcsun.EU.net (mcsun.EU.net [192.16.202.1]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id HAA01603 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1993 07:50:40 -0500 Received: from issun3.stc.nato.int by mcsun.EU.net with SMTP id AA12981 (5.65b/CWI-2.235); Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:50:37 +0100 Received: by stc.nato.int id AA25420 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:48:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:48:59 +0100 From: Yanis Yeorgaroudakis Message-Id: <199311121248.AA25420@stc.nato.int> To: Subject: Add to the mailing list Could the mail admin add my name to the mailing list please? I would also like to add a question to this mail. Does Andrew have a windows NT version? Are there any plans? How can I get the latest distribution. Is the CD distribution still available? Thanks, Yannis Yeorgaroudakis \enddata{text822, 19945} \begindata{text822, 21450} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA02406 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:40:19 -0500 Received: from autelca.ascom.ch by hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (8.5/6.33) id OAA04637; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:39:11 +0100 Received: from case2.autelca.ascom.ch by autelca.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04880; Fri, 26 Nov 93 14:39:07 +0100 Received: from sun40.autelca.ascom.ch by case2.autelca.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09164; Fri, 26 Nov 93 14:39:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 14:39:06 +0100 From: nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt) Message-Id: <9311261339.AA09164@case2.autelca.ascom.ch> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Latest version of andrew ? Hello Andrew users ! I am looking for the latest version of andrew. I have ftp'ed version 5.1. Now I am wondering whether there is any newer version or whether somebody is still working on a new version. Thanks in advance for your answer, Norbert Bladt. P.S. Are there any ports to Solaris or one of the other ???BSD's, yet ? \enddata{text822, 21450} \begindata{text822, 23142} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from kirin.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:15:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 14:15:42 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Dew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-AFS@transarc.com Subject: Re: Fed up with NFS-mounted mail directories CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from mail: 23-Nov-93 Re: Fed up with NFS-mounted.. peter honeyman@citi.umic (666) > we tried ams, but the learning curve is very steep. i don't recommend > it, as mh+pop+mime offers most of the advantages of ams. > peter The learning curve for building and installing the AMS delivery system may be steep, but the AMS user program, "messages", is simple to use and and exceptionally nice for reading, composing and storing MIME-compatible multimedia mail messages. The transport mechanism, which can be AMDS via AFS or sendmail via SMTP, is independent of the AMS user agents, which are the windows-based "messages" program, and an ascii terminal-based "vui" program. Combining kerberized POP with AMS might provide one of the simplest (and one of the best-featured) AFS-based, MIME-capable mail systems available. The package wouldnl't be complete, though, without a straight-forward mechanism to notify users of new mail arrival. Does anyone use a kerberized POP implementation with AMS that has a distributed means for notifying users of new mail arrival? (AMS uses the ATK "console" program to monitor home-area mail delivery -- a valuable user function that would be lost in a POP implementation of messages). Somebody mentioned using zephyr datagrams for mail notification, but the learning curve for installing zephyr on an enterprise scale is also fairly steep. Thanks, -Bob \enddata{text822, 23142} \begindata{text822, 26344} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 06:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 06:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.1]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id GAA23828 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 06:00:58 -0500 From: yandros@MIT.EDU Received: from DEATHTONGUE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA04214; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:00:49 EST Received: by deathtongue.MIT.EDU (5.0/4.7) id AA23523; Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:00:43 EST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 06:00:43 EST Message-Id: <9311301100.AA23523@deathtongue.MIT.EDU> To: Bob Dew Cc: Info-AFS@transarc.com, Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: "[2216] in Info-AFS_Redistribution" Subject: Re: Fed up with NFS-mounted mail directories X-Orgs: MIT SIPB VWA DCNS X-Shabby: not Content-Length: 3074 From: Bob Dew Does anyone use a kerberized POP implementation with AMS that has a distributed means for notifying users of new mail arrival? (AMS uses the ATK "console" program to monitor home-area mail delivery -- a valuable user function that would be lost in a POP implementation of messages). Somebody mentioned using zephyr datagrams for mail notification, but the learning curve for installing zephyr on an enterprise scale is also fairly steep. Yes, we have such a system set up here at MIT, but it's not in anything you could call `wide use' (or `medium use'. In fact, `narrow use' is too generous - maybe `infinitessimal use'? I only know of 2 users currently, although I know it's been as high as 5 in the past :-). It was setup by a person I used to work for (Bill Cattey, , who I don't *think will mind having his name appear here. :-). It uses a modified version of emacs's movemail program called `getmail' to get the mail from a (hesiod specified) kpop server. Mail notifiaction is done via zephyr for everyone here, so that's not a problem (for us). When I was still working for him (on ATK stuff) I tried (not very long, admittedly) to get it to work for me, but, like all ATK code, the `if USER == yandros' code prevented it from working correctly. When we were trying to get it set up, Bill told me that it ``hadn't been pleasant'' trying to seperate the AFS mail delievery stuff from the rest of the code, but that was a couple Andrew releases ago, so maybe it's improved? Overall, I thought it was, like most ATK stuff I've used/worked on sort of pretty, not overly fast, and sort of all right for some people, where `some people' didn't include me. On the other hand, Bill, who got a lot more mail than I did at the time, used it religiously, even unto using vui and cui, which I usually see described something like ``that's a protocol debugging tool, not a user client''. To each his own. ...but on to things relevant to info-afs: I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that delivering mail via AFS was a good idea, and I know that I've never seen anyone describe using AFS for `bboards' (we use normal nntp clients and a system called `discuss' here) as anything nicer than a good (over)stress-test for AFS. In a networked, distributed system, kerberized POP clients are `the best thing going', (IMHO) especially if you have some kind of decent notification system. There are POP clients for almost every networked system I know about; same holds for mime. MIT itself is pushing kpop clients for Macs and Windows out the door as we speak (windows client is still beta this week, I think. ;-), and I'm sure there are others out there (I know of at least one, Eudora, offhand). On the U*NIX side, there are more clients than you'd ever care to try, including MH, one in Emacs, and a UNIX `mail'-style client. Just another opinion.. chad (who just switched from Emacs RMAIL to MH to help a friend debug `exmh', a tk MH client. Three platforms, 30 minutes, 5 coredumps. Wheee!!! :-) \enddata{text822, 26344} \begindata{text822, 30753} X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from craig.transarc.com via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andrew.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from craig.transarc.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.craig.transarc.com.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.craig.transarc.com.pmax_3; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:48:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 926+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-AFS@transarc.com, Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Fed up with NFS-mounted mail directories In-Reply-To: <9311301100.AA23523@deathtongue.MIT.EDU> References: <9311301100.AA23523@deathtongue.MIT.EDU> \begindata{text,18806764} \textdsversion{12} \template{messages} \excerptedcaption{Excerpts from transarc.external.info-afs: 30-Nov-93 Re: Fed up with NFS-mounted.. yandros@MIT.EDU (3074)} \quotation{I don't think I've ever seen }\quotation{anyone say that delivering mail via AFS was a good idea } OK, I'll say it. BBoards in AFS have their limitations, but mail delivery via AFS is a good idea. You get location transparency and authentication without having to mess with special-purpose servers to provide that. The downside, of course, is that there are lots of POP/Imap-style clients for things like PCs and Macs, and other mail readers would mostly need to change to learn where to look for their new messages. In short, AMDS is too much integrated with both the rest of the ATK software and with AFS, and too little interfaceable with a vanilla Unix system, to have gotten very far in most folks' installations. It's a pleasant system to use if you're doing everything from scratch, but almost nobody does that. Craig \enddata{text,18806764} \enddata{text822, 30753} \begindata{text822, 33188} Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id MAA15662 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:30:45 -0500 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA03218; Tue, 30 Nov 93 18:30:40 +0100 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA14327; Tue, 30 Nov 93 18:30:35 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 18:30:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 18:30:31 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus To: Info-Andrew Subject: Batmail/Ezmail Usage of AMS is increasing here. Soon I'll get questions about reading mail from home (i.e. without messages) I'll probably need batmail and/or a UNIX version of ezmail Is anything of the above available and if so, where can I get it ? Chris \enddata{text822, 33188}