Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 4 Nov 92 12:20:43 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA23399; Wed, 4 Nov 92 09:07:01 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Nov 92 00:27:33 GMT From: milo!milo!tdt@uunet.uu.net (Tim Thorpe) Organization: Verdix Corp., Herndon, VA Subject: Re: Read FAQ, printing problem, have groff, troff Message-Id: References: <1992Oct29.184846.4270@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I dont believe it is possible to print "ez" files without using "ezprint". This is because "ez" uses a TeX-ish style notation and "ezprint" takes this and translates it to troff which you then need to process for your print environment. Here, we have Postscript printers and the following works for me:- ----------------- cut here ------------- #!/bin/csh ezprint -c -E -F -q -s -t $1 | eqn | ptroff -t ----------------- end here ------------- If you name the above "myez2ps" you could do:- $ myez2ps "ez-file" > "ez-file.PS" This also prints out the table of content - which I like. Note1: I believe ptroff is part of the Transcript package from Adobe. Note2: I don't see why you can't replace the "eqn | ptroff" phase with groff. Hope this helps. -- -Tim -tdt@verdix.com Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:30:16 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA06889; Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:19:32 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 4 Nov 92 07:25:25 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!e uropa.asd.contel.com!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!G ermany.EU.net!rrz.uni-koeln.de!unidui!math (Juergen Henke) Organization: Fraunhofer Inst. f. Manufact. Engineering a. Automation, Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Word Processing (Free?) Message-Id: References: <1d1c6rINNjfl@uwm.edu>, , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu >>>>> On 2 Nov 92 00:22:42 GMT, ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) said: >>The question has arisen as to whether there exists a free (in *source*) >>WYSIWIG-type word-processor for UN*X systems equipped with X Windows. >Well, Carnegie-Mellon University has written a gigantic multi-media >machine called 'andrew'... Doug> You can get the Andrew software from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu via Doug> anonymous FTP. It includes a multimedia near-WYSIWYG editor and a Doug> MIME compliant multimedia mail system. Doug> -- Doug> Doug DeJulio Doug> Member Technical Staff Doug> Andrew Consortium Is there anybody out there (:-) who give's Andrew a try on linux ? I've already spent some hours on a BSD/386 system earlier this year (no flames please) and discovered some incompatibilities between Andrew and GNU-make/-flex. The dynamic loading code shouldn't be the big problem (linux has the standard a.out format) - when memory serves me right, i had big problems with the class preprocessor due to certain bugs in flex-2.3.7 (from some discussion on the gnu.* newsgroups i'm aware that the problem is known, and that flex-2.4, which should solve it, has absolutely no time horizon...). Anybody knows a lex replacement other than flex ? Juergen P.S.: I'm cross posting this to comp.soft-sys.andrew (wanted to test the news <-> mail gateway for quite a while :-). _________________________________________________________________________ Juerg en Henke, e-mail juh@IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung Nobelstrasse 12, D-7000 Stuttgart 80 (ATK-mail and MIME-mail welcome) -- _________________________________________________________________________ Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung Nobelstrasse 12, D-7000 Stuttgart 80 (ATK-mail and MIME-mail welcome) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 6 Nov 92 04:14:53 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11507; Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:05:58 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 3 Nov 92 23:40:54 GMT From: adobe!usenet@decwrl.dec.com (Zalman Stern) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Word Processing (Free?) Message-Id: <1992Nov3.234054.27637@adobe.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de (Juergen Henke) writes: > The dynamic loading code shouldn't be the big problem (linux has the standard > a.out format) - when memory serves me right, i had big problems with the class > preprocessor due to certain bugs in flex-2.3.7 (from some discussion on the > gnu.* newsgroups i'm aware that the problem is known, and that flex-2.4, > which should solve it, has absolutely no time horizon...). > > Anybody knows a lex replacement other than flex ? > So get somebody to lex the code for you on a system with AT&T lex and then use the resulting C file on linux. (We had to use this technique for the OS/2 port. Anybody know whatever happened to that work?) -- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824 Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:53:19 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5950; Fri, 06 Nov 92 07:51:20 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 6 Nov 92 06:52:41 CST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:52:01 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 571+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Word Processing (Free?) In-Reply-To: References: <1d1c6rINNjfl@uwm.edu>, , Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.iunet.it by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:52:26 EST Received: from jrc.UUCP by relay.iunet.it with UUCP (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA20499; Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:52:07 +0100 Received: from iss.isei.jrc.it (is) by jrc.it; Mon, 9 Nov 92 12:28:29 +0100 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.is.iss.isei.jrc.it.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.is.iss.isei.jrc.it.sun4_41; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:30:20 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:30:20 +0100 (MET) From: Jose Perdigao To: Info-Andrew Subject: VUI on IBM 3270 terminal ? Hi, Is it possible to display VUI on an IBM 3270 terminal by a telnet conection to a unix machine ? If so what terminal type do I need to define in the environment variable TERM ? Thanks. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 8158;andrew.cmu.edu;David Anderson Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:23:36 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from carnot.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.carnot.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: David Anderson X-Andrew-Message-Size: 216+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Fabio Ottolini Subject: Re: Running ATK applications in foreground ? In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1030+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Printers Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:10:46 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: > We are investigating having ATK print direct to Postscript, to relieve the dependence on troff/groff and psdit. Aren't these dependencies necessary to support ATK's "preview"? In the long run, I'd think a device-independent troff generator would be more useful and less error prone than a direct ATK-->Postscript program. Just a thought... Our interpreter version is 52.3. -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:00:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:00:52 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2297+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4ezjyQu00WoiJ4iUcu@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 348+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b; Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:07:37 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12104>; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:14 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:10 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:07:08 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan , Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: I think that the real dependencies fall in the realm of depending on troff for indices, tables of contents, footnotes, etc., which would all have to be done internally if direct PostScript generation (a bad idea, in my mind, for anything other than line drawings in ATK -- I'd prefer converting to TeX with some macro package) was adopted. Bill Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cecil.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:52:27 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from cecil.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.cecil.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.cecil.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:51:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:51:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: > Our intent is to replace preview with code which hopefully will work in > the same process as the document being edited. Ideally I would like to > see the Postscript printing layout technology leveraged into a true > WYSIWYG editor. A drawback with WYSIWYG editors as you describe is that they require a binary format in which to store working drafts and editable document copies. One can rest assured that there will never exist a WYSIWYG-to-ATK interpreter. I think one of the celebrated features that ATK offers over many (if not all) commercially available counterparts is that its intermediate data format is non-proprietary and ASCII readable. This open systems approach, to coin increasingly popular buzz term, makes text formatting packages like ATK far more attractive, in my opinion, than similar look-alikes (like Rapport and Asterix, for examples) which have limited usefulness outside of their own proprietary formatting protocols. If I really wanted to use a WYSIWYG editor, I'd probably opt for something with a full range of formatting and typesetting capabilities, which in all likelihood would lie outside of what ATK could reasonably offer, and beyond what ATK has thus far been exemplary in providing. ATK's strengths lie in its simplicity, its ease of use, and in its relative ease of portability among a variety of communications systems, including on-line and printable help facilities, mail and bulletin board services, text processing utilities, etc. I think it would behoove project goals to investigate new text formatting ideas from the perspective of keeping data formats flexible, and as standard and as portable as possible. -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:37:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 3037+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 08:47:22 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4314; Tue, 10 Nov 92 08:45:14 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 10 Nov 92 07:45:29 CST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:45:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:45:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:44:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:44:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:44:55 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 4084+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1210;alw.nih.gov;Bob Dew Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:14:42 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from spot.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dude.dcrt.nih.gov via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.dude.dcrt.nih.gov.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:12:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Info-Andrew Subject: compchar question Is there any way to include the registered trademark symbol (capital R inside of a circle) in an ATK document? How about a superscripted TM? Thanks, -Bob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 585+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: compchar question In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:38:04 EST Received: by sadye.emba.uvm.edu id AA28808 (5.65/6.02); Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:37:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:37:49 -0500 From: Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Message-Id: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> To: "Todd Inglett" Cc: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: < said: > I think a class similar to graphic (subclass of graphic) to render > postscript would result in the biggest short term win. This should actually be a fairly quick hack, if you are willing to depend on ghostscript. Just create a pixmap or window on the X server, and set the enviornment variable GHOSTVIEW to be either the window ID, or the window ID and the pixmap ID. Then fire up ghostscript with the PostScript code as standard input, and away we go. There's actually a bit more to it than that, but that's the basic idea. This is documented in ghostview-1.4/gs.interface, for anyone interested in actually doing it. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@emba.uvm.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. uvm-gen!wollman | It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people UVM disagrees. | who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:53:48 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1484; Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:51:39 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:52:54 CST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:26 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 394+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: compchar question In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:05:50 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1729; Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:03:13 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:02:07 CST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:02:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:01:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:01:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:01:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:01:39 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1297+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> References: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Printers CC: Info-Andrew In-Reply-To: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> References: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Nov-92 Re: Printers Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU (1049) > < said: > > I think a class similar to graphic (subclass of graphic) to render > > postscript would result in the biggest short term win. > This should actually be a fairly quick hack, if you are willing to depend on ghostscript. I think you've slightly misunderstood the proposal (though what you say is correct given the misunderstanding.) I believe the concept Todd Inglett is speaking of is that there be another subclass of graphic (and probably view) which would allow any existing ATK view to be printed simply by inserting it under a special view, and requesting a full update. The result of which would be a batch of postscript for drawing the view. This will probably be part of the system if we do go through with direct postscript printing. Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Nov-92 Re: Printers Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU (1049) > Just create a pixmap or window on the X server, and set the enviornment > variable GHOSTVIEW to be either the window ID, or the window ID and the > pixmap ID. Then fire up ghostscript with the PostScript code as > standard input, and away we go. I actually had the quick hack done once, unfortunately I was not satisfied with the requirement that I have one gs process per ps inset (also the ability to tell gs what area of the window to use would be a big help). I've been meaning to send the Ghostscript folks my wish list for awhile now... (Another approach would be to have gs use it's backing pixmap, and never map it's window..., then just xcopyare from it's pixmap onto the view.) Unfortunately all of this violates the concept of window system independence. (It could be preserved if we used the pbm device, but that would mean putting the images out over the wire to the X or WM server.) -Rob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:59:11 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA11327; Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:53:58 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Nov 92 13:17:49 GMT From: pipex!warwick!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!mikes@uunet.uu.net (Mike Smith) Organization: Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford Subject: Building Andrew on a Silicon Graphics Message-Id: <1992Nov9.131749.961@newton.bioch.ox.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I would like some help with building the andrew software on my Silicon Graphics which is running 4.0.5. Everything is (or should be) in the standard places. This is as far as I get ... cc -G 0 -cckr -c -O -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include -DSYSV -D_BSD_SIGNALS doload.c cpp: error /usr/include/syms.h:113: Can't find include file cmplrs/stsupport.h I have to admit that I haven't altered the files config/site.h and config/site.mcr, but I can't work out what (if anything) I need to do here. Any help anyone? Many Thanks Mike Smith Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b; Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:18:25 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12330>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:18:09 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:17:00 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:16:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:16:54 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan , Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: I think Bob's comments here are right on the mark. Bill Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:22:07 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12325>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:50 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:46 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:21:32 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from ext.andrew: 10-Nov-92 Re: Postscript Printing Com.. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (3037+0) > Definitely. I think this is where ATK has an opportunity. If a > reasonably complete WYSIWYG editor could be written in ATK I think it > would be a very fine feather in our cap so to speak. Seen many free > WYSIWYG editors? I'm not talking full function, but enough so that > anything normally done with ez and troff looks right on screen. I think this is a real red herring and a good way to sink your consortium by adding useless work. With ports of MS Word and FrameMaker to Macs, PCs, and X, there's no way EZ is going to be able to compete in terms of WYSIWYG functionality. The niche that EZ has is based on simple multi-media support, and being NON-wysiwyg -- that is, displaying a document based on the right way of displaying it for the context, rather than trying to force everything in the world into being a piece of paper. Concentrate on What-You-See-Looks-Good-For-Your-Display-Context (WYSLGFYDC?). Bill Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:24:01 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12325>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:23:41 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:23:34 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:23:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:23:23 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 618+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: <9211101837.AA28808@sadye.emba.uvm.edu> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:22:58 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12335>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:40 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:32 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:27 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen X-Andrew-Message-Size: 423+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew , "Todd Inglett" Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:26 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Bill Janssen Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from mail: 10-Nov-92 Re: Postscript Printing Com.. Bill Janssen@parc.xerox. (1032) > I think this is a real red herring and a good way to sink your consortium by adding useless work. Do you consider ATK to Postscript printing to be in the red herring category as well? -Rob Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:40:25 EST Received: from holmes.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.162]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <12384>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:40:11 PST Received: by holmes.parc.xerox.com id <25546>; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:58 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.holmes.parc.xerox.com.sun4_41; Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:52 PST Sender: Bill Janssen From: Bill Janssen To: Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: No, of course not, Rob. PS is well suited for many tasks, particularly the description of pictures. I am quite a fan of the combined approach of groff+EPS, particularly since Jim Clark is apparently willing to contribute some effort in making it work. I'd replace the dvi previewer with the ghostview supplied with ghostscript 2.5 (which has a pretty groty UI; better perhaps to supply an ATK version of ghostview using the ghostview protocols to talk to ghostscript). But bear in mind that printing is not everything; there are places where the display on the screen is more important. My recommendation would be to focus on other features that have bugs, and on places where ATK shines. In the first category, footnotes, templates, and citations come to mind. The footnote styles are very fragile. The citation system is broken completely. Color images are needed. It is difficult to use one document as a template for another. In the second category, hypertext and active documents are major contributions to the technology available via ATK, as is the notion of mapping a persistent typed object system onto the normal file system (via the dataobject storage methods). I'd like to see the `text' class turned into a `hypertext' class in a totally backward-compatible way, via the addition of Universal Resource Identifiers currently being discussed in the IETF, and the notions of anchors with links. Adding a synchronized document, to allow multiple streams of timestamped input to be synchronized, would be an interesting and original contribution. Bill Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:48:27 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8535; Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:46:20 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:47:35 CST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:47:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:45:02 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2922+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: rr2b@andrew.cmu.edu, Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:47:23 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29016; Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:44:39 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Nov 92 19:13:05 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka .de!chx400!sicsun!disuns2!disuns2.epfl.ch!simon@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Simon Leinen) Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Subject: Re: Building Andrew on a Silicon Graphics Message-Id: References: <1992Nov9.131749.961@newton.bioch.ox.ac.uk> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1992Nov9.131749.961@newton.bioch.ox.ac.uk> mikes@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Mike Smith) writes: cc -G 0 -cckr -c -O -I. -I/usr/andrew/include/atk -I/usr/andrew/include -I/usr/include -DSYSV -D_BSD_SIGNALS doload.c cpp: error /usr/include/syms.h:113: Can't find include file cmplrs/stsupport.h This means that you should install the IRIX subsystem "dev.complrs_hdr.internal" (Base Compiler Internal Headers). I think you also need this if you want to compile GNU CC. Hope this helps, -- Simon. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:01:55 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29586; Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:56:57 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Nov 92 09:46:17 GMT From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!news.funet.fi!fuug!atomica!dag@bloom-beacon.mi t.edu (Dag Nygren) Organization: Oy Atomica Ab, ESBO, FINLAND Subject: Making a hyperlink running another program ? Message-Id: <1992Nov11.094617.15591@atomica.fi> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hi there netters, is there a way of using pushbuttons to run other programs from a ez document? Even if Andrew is quite a good tool I have a lot of tgif documents here that in a sensible way should be linked to my other documentation. And I still need a roff-link include feature for my ever changing tables. Am I using the wrong tool for doing my documentation here or is there someone out there an answer ? -- Dag Nygren email: dag@atomica.fi Oy Atomica Ab or santra!atomica!dag Box 22 (Ahventie 4A) 02170 Esbo Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from MIT.EDU (MIT.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew+; Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:36:34 EST Received: from HEYOKA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21354; Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:36:26 EST Received: by heyoka.MIT.EDU (4.1/4.7) id AA08648; Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:35:59 EST Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.heyoka.noname.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.heyoka.noname.sun4_41; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:35:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:35:58 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey To: info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Who else has ez printing with groff. I finally bit the bullet and compiled up groff (and gcc and g++ and bison and libg++). I have successfully printed ez documents on my HP Laserjet IIP+ with Pacific Datasystems PostScript. BUT: All the pages are shifted up an inch so no page numbers are visible. The speculated-about formatcommand/PrintCommand in the FAQ to enable previewing and printing didn't work. The preview-free command set is the one that I got to work at all. (Although my postscript filter is different so I don't use lpr -v.) I have incorporated Nick Williams's changes to tmac.atk and the table of contents prints perfectly. It really is too bad that the page numbers don't! I am running ATK 5.0.0 from the R5 X tape on a Sun Sparc running SunOS 4.1.1. (I know, I should get the updates to Sun OS and ATK, but I haven't taken the time to bring home the CD's and do the grunt work. These revs of the software SHOULD work.) Help? -wdc Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.4 11 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_41; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:40:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 550+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Who else has ez printing with groff. In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:12:08 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:10:13 EST Received: from muppet82.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA09527; Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:10:09 +0100 Received: by muppet82.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA00709; Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:10:08 +0100 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.muppet82.cs.chalmers.se.sun4.4 1 via MS.5.6.muppet82.cs.chalmers.se.sun4_41; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:10:07 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:10:07 +0100 (MET) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 967+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ezmail In order to promote the usage of messages at Chalmers, I'd need an AMS based U= A that runs on a dumb terminal. People don't have workstations at home, but th= ey want to read their mail from home too, and without an agent like this, they= refuse to use messages. In the ATK distribution, the cui and vui UA's are available. None of them have= a user interface that I'd like to present to my users. Now, I've heard that there is a program called EzMail around that might do wha= t I want, but I'd like to know more about availability and functionality. Of s= pecial interest is the capability of handling MIME with at least Content-Tran= sfer encoding and the ISO-8859-1 charset.. Can anyone give me some more info ? Chris. ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Christer Bern=E9rus, SM6FBQ !E-mail: bernerus@cs.chalmers.se Chalmers University of Technology ! Phone: +46 31 7721036 Department of Computer Science S-412 96 Gothenburg, SWEDEN Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:33:31 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1363; Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:30:52 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:31:22 CST Received: via switchmail; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:31:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:28:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:28:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:28:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:28:40 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1428+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Making a hyperlink running another program ? In-Reply-To: <1992Nov11.094617.15591@atomica.fi> References: <1992Nov11.094617.15591@atomica.fi> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for rr2b+; Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:16:43 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17316; Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:16:38 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA01212; Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:16:35 -0500 Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8f0cBWUGf04744gmtx@athena.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey To: Info-Andrew , Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Who else has ez printing with groff. Cc: In-Reply-To: References: Thanks! It did indeed define PAGE to A4. I'm recompiling now. I expect it will work. I figured it was something simple that someone already knew... -wdc Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:21:52 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeta.saintjoe.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:19:07 EST Received: from fearless.CompSci (fearless.saintjoe.edu) by zeta.saintjoe.edu (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA08078; Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:17:54 CST Received: by fearless.CompSci (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00624; Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:17:53 PST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.fearless.CompSci.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.fearless.CompSci.sun4_41; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:17:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8f0erTW3LE06E28Lh9@fearless.CompSci> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Capouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Exposing Message Folders I'm one of those who likes to have all my message folders showing all the time. I've just recently installed the CDROM version of Andrew on all our workstations, and the new version, after one chooses the "Read Mail" menu option, hides all the folders except the main one. I've read and re-read the help files, and can't hit the magic combination. Any help would be appreciated. Brian Capouch brianc@saintjoe.edu Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1447;andrew.cmu.edu;Gary Keim Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from rascal.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.rascal.andrew.cmu.edu.rs_aix31; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:18:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:18:52 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Keim To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: Exposing Message Folders In-Reply-To: <8f0erTW3LE06E28Lh9@fearless.CompSci> References: <8f0erTW3LE06E28Lh9@fearless.CompSci> Excerpts from misc: 12-Nov-92 Exposing Message Folders Brian Capouch@fearless.C (421*) I've read and re-read the help files, and can't hit the magic combination. And I'm sorry to say that you won't hit the combination if you're using the binaries off the CDROM. We've since made it a preference, but that doesn't help you: sorry. Gary Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:19:05 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA01026; Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:15:59 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Nov 92 14:57:54 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: PSDIT Message-Id: References: <1992Nov10.222345.12659@fsl.noaa.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 10-Nov-92 PSDIT Leslie Hart@nipmuc.fsl.n (107) > I don't have psdit on my system. Is there a (PD) place I can find psdit? Unfortunately not, see below for Adobe's address. If you have C/A/T troff you can use psroff. Alternately you can get the GNU groff (which requires C++, AT&T cfront 2.1, and gcc 2.2.2 have been used successfully). No endorsement of the following products or organizations is implied. We routinely use transcript, and we have successfully used groff compiled both with gcc 2.2.2 and with AT&T cfront 2.1. From the ATK FAQ: transcript (psdit) Contact: Adobe 1585 Charleston Road P.O. Box 7900 Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 phone: 1-800-833-6687 psroff (note that psroff doesn't allow printing of embedded postscript, used for rasters, zips, and in the next release figures.) Software augmenting troff and providing printer drivers. on cdrom: src/util/psroff is version 3.0 patch level 07 contact: Chris Lewis psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca GNU software: groff, g++, gcc, gdb, gnuemacs, ... Free software, eventually replacing Un*x ftp: prep.ai.mit.edu see pub/gnu/GNUinfo/FTP and pub/gnu/etc/DISTRIB email: gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu mailing address: Free Software Foundation, Inc. 675 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 USA phone: +1 617-876-3296 -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:20:53 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA14554; Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:18:13 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Nov 92 16:21:43 GMT From: netcomsv!firewall!jlc@decwrl.dec.com (Jean-Luc Chatelain) Organization: Adac Laboratories, Milpitas Ca Subject: How to I suppress page number printing in EZ ? Message-Id: <1992Nov10.082143@firewalladaclabs.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I guess the subject says it all, I would like to ezprint a document but tell ezprint to forget about putting page numbers ? Thank you Jean-Luc -- Jean-Luc Chatelain VOICE: 408 321 9100 x1797 ADAC Laboratories VMAIL: 800 SAY ADAC x1797 540 Alder Driver INET : jlc@adaclabs.com Milpitas, CA 95035 Disclaimer: Any opinion expressed is my own may and not reflect the views of ADAC Laboratories Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:35:24 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA19556; Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:33:34 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Nov 92 17:42:57 GMT From: netcomsv!firewall!jlc@decwrl.dec.com (Jean-Luc Chatelain) Organization: Adac Laboratories, Milpitas Ca Subject: Re: compchar question Message-Id: <1992Nov10.094257@firewalladaclabs.com> References: Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu One way is to use the lookz inset to add a new style (add new style menu entry of lookz) into the font menu card. You could call this style 'symbol' and bind it to the symbola font family which contains the (r) and (c) characters as characters values 0x62 and 0x63. It works, I'am using it :-) jlc -- Jean-Luc Chatelain VOICE: 408 321 9100 x1797 ADAC Laboratories VMAIL: 800 SAY ADAC x1797 540 Alder Driver INET : jlc@adaclabs.com Milpitas, CA 95035 Disclaimer: Any opinion expressed is my own may and not reflect the views of ADAC Laboratories Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vnet.ibm.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:45:30 EST Received: from RCHLAND by vnet.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5103; Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:43:29 EST Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1.rchland.ibm.com (5.51/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:43:21 CST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:43:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:40:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:40:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:40:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <0f0vtdk91Jbd1FaFca@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:40:41 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 200+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: How to I suppress page number printing in EZ ? In-Reply-To: <1992Nov10.082143@firewalladaclabs.com> References: <1992Nov10.082143@firewalladaclabs.com> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:50:08 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA29467; Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:38:16 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Nov 92 16:02:30 GMT From: rohvm1!rbntjc@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Thomas J Cozzolino) Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Subject: Andrew under AIX (3.2)? Message-Id: <92317.110230RBNTJC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu The title mostly says it. Is there a ready-to-run version of Andrew publicly available for RS/6000 under 3.2.X? Can I grab it via FTP? Please respond directly if possible; sorry if this is a FAQ. +============================================+ | Thomas J. Cozzolino - Rohm and Haas Co. = | InterNet: tcozz@rohmhaas.com = | = | Internet Access for Everyone.. = | Isn't it time? = | = | - Opinions expressed are my own, not = | necessarily those of Rohm and Haas Company = +=====================================================+ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:03:23 EST Via: uk.ac.oxford.biochemistry; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:27:31 +0000 Received: from bioch.ox.ac.uk (nmrpcd.bioch) by biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk id AA29291; Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:08:15 GMT Received: by bioch.ox.ac.uk (920330.SGI/bioch3.0) id AA04489; Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:08:07 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:08:07 GMT From: mikes@biochemistry.oxford.ac.uk Message-Id: <9211131508.AA04489@nmrpcd.bioch.bioch.ox.ac.uk> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Assistance request I am building Andrew on my SGI 4D/35 running 4.0.5. I have made significant progress since I last mailed you, and I can now run (some of) Andrew. Alas, not all, as I get the following error from my make World ... [LOTS deleted] Processing post number 18 Processing post number 19 Processing post number 20 Processing post number 21 Processing post number 22 Processing post number 23 Expertise level set to wizard Reconstructing /usr/andrew/.MESSAGES/demo; please wait... Reconstructed folder /usr/andrew/.MESSAGES/demo with twenty-three entries sh: amsdemo: cannot create *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. # Any chance of a spot of help to tell me what might be going on here?? Many thanks Mike Smith Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:36:25 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26560; Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:30:36 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 10 Nov 92 22:23:45 GMT From: csn!qwerty-gw.fsl.noaa.gov!nipmuc.fsl.noaa.gov!hart@handies.ucar.edu (Leslie Hart) Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA Subject: PSDIT Message-Id: <1992Nov10.222345.12659@fsl.noaa.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu I don't have psdit on my system. Is there a (PD) place I can find psdit? Leslie Hart (hart@fsl.noaa.gov) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 12:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 12:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 14 Nov 92 12:26:44 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA23454; Sat, 14 Nov 92 09:21:30 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Nov 92 18:46:44 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!nih-csl.dcrt .nih.gov!daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov!weisen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Neil Weisenfeld) Organization: National Insts. of Health, DCRT, CSL Subject: Question about AMDS message delivery Message-Id: <1992Nov13.184644.19701@alw.nih.gov> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Our AMDS system is set up so that a number of machines may deliver the same message. Is there any sort of locking system used to keep them from stepping on each other's toes? I'm writing a biff program and it seems to suffer from two ailments: 1. Sometimes the user gets informed about a message twice since its modification time changes twice. 2. Sometimes the biff program starts scanning the message for headers as the message is being written and subsequently winds up hitting EOF before finding all of the headers. Now I know that I could solve #1 by keying off of the filename and not checking the same file twice, but how about #2? Is there some lock mechanism for the Mailbox directory or the message files, or is it just a free for all? Thanks, Neil -- Neil I. Weisenfeld National Institutes of Health Computer Engineer Building 12A, Room 2033 weisen@alw.nih.gov Bethesda, MD 20892 uunet!nih-csl!weisen phone: (301) 402-2788 Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 13:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 13:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 14 Nov 92 13:52:44 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA26499; Sat, 14 Nov 92 10:41:33 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Nov 92 19:25:40 GMT From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Subject: Re: Making a hyperlink running another program ? Message-Id: References: <1992Nov11.094617.15591@atomica.fi> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 11-Nov-92 Making a hyperlink running .. Dag Nygren@atomica.fi (535) is there a way of using pushbuttons to run other programs from a ez document? The problem with doing this is that the general case is a rather nasty security hole. That is if you can send mail or a bboard post with a button with any arbitrary command there is a much greater risk of a (pick your favorite computer program nasty) deleting all your files, or looking at private data. Under ATTBL_ENV in atk/hyplink/linkv.c there is some code for having buttons which execute a command, but it depends on a class we didn't pick up from the contributors... (AT&T Bell Labs). It might be cool to subclass linkv so that selected programs could be run on the destination of a link, but care would be needed to ensure that security isn't compromised. (For example having a filename like blah`rm -rf $HOME/*`foo go through sh would be unfortunate...) -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 15:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Sat, 14 Nov 92 14:59:06 EST Received: from OGLALA.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29867; Sat, 14 Nov 92 14:59:03 EST Received: by oglala (5.57/4.7) id AA13698; Sat, 14 Nov 92 14:59:02 -0500 Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.oglala.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.oglala.pmax_ul4; Sat, 14 Nov 1992 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Cattey To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: compchar question References: > One way is to use the lookz inset to add a new style (add new style > menu entry of lookz) into the font menu card. You could call this > style 'symbol' and bind it to the symbola font family which > contains the (r) and (c) characters as characters values 0x62 and 0x63. > > It works, I'am using it :-) > jlc You only THINK it works. There are a varitey of things that WILL go wrong with doing it like this. There is already a template called symbol which you could use instead of using lookz. It creates a style 'symbol' and binds that to the symbol font and a style 'symbola' and binds that to the symbola font. Your mechanism will perform VERY strangely when you insert a character composition that needs the symbol font. It will get the symbol style which you lookz has mis-mapped to the symbola font and the characters will NOT be what you expect. Also since troff requires a special command sequence to print the copyright and registered trademark symbols, using either lookz, or the symbol template will not print anything out! I suggest you do ^xxrg for the registered trademark symbol and ^xxco for the copyright symbol. These character compositions work, are simple, and print, and they don't break anything else in your document. I appologize for the documentation on these symbols not being clear enough. -wdc Co- developer of compositions (actually Rob Ryan did all the hard work.) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:24:17 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28218; Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:01:28 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Nov 92 04:13:34 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!samsung!transfer.stratus.com!ap plix!jim@purdue.edu (Jim Morton [ext 237]) Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA Subject: Re: Postscript Printing Comments? (was) Re: Printers Message-Id: <1665@applix.com> References: , Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu In article , Bob_Dew@ALW.NIH.GOV writes: ] A drawback with WYSIWYG editors as you describe is that they require a ] binary format in which to store working drafts and editable document ] copies. One can rest assured that there will never exist a ] WYSIWYG-to-ATK interpreter. ] ] I think one of the celebrated features that ATK offers over many (if not ] all) commercially available counterparts is that its intermediate data ] format is non-proprietary and ASCII readable. This open systems ] approach, to coin increasingly popular buzz term, makes text formatting ] packages like ATK far more attractive, in my opinion, than similar ] look-alikes (like Rapport and Asterix, for examples) which have limited ] usefulness outside of their own proprietary formatting protocols. Whoa - hold on a second! Aster*x documents are NOT binary, and have identical formats on the 14 platforms that it runs on. Furthermore, we will gladly provide format specifications for the three document formats (Words, Graphics, and Spreadsheets) to anyone who asks. And even further, we provide easy macro and socket hooks, with examples, for anyone who wants to hook up to outside applications. Aster*x had open-ness and extensibility as design requirements from day 1... -- Jim Morton, Applix Inc., Westboro, MA ...uunet!applix!jim jim@applix.com X-Andrew-Authenticated-As: 469;andrew.cmu.edu;Craig F. Everhart Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 1312;transarc.com;Craig Everhart Received: from mobius via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl@andre w.cmu.edu) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from mobius via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.mobius.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.mobius.sun4_40; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2694+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew , Neil_Weisenfeld@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld) Subject: Re: Question about AMDS message delivery In-Reply-To: <1992Nov13.184644.19701@alw.nih.gov> References: <1992Nov13.184644.19701@alw.nih.gov> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:09:11 EST Received: from nymphaea by madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au with SMTP (5.61+IDA+MU) id AA20771; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:09:05 +0800 From: cynthia@maths.uwa.oz.au (Cynthia Belonogoff) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:07:38 WST Message-Id: <9211170607.AA05741@nymphaea.maths.uwa.oz.au> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ezprint We have just installed the Anrew toolkit at out site and are very impressed by the ez editor and help system. However, printing appears to require ditroff to work properly. Is the source or binary for a Sun sparc station available anywhere? Cynthia Belonogoff Systems Programmer Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:25:58 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.43) id AA28228; Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:13:02 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu (info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Nov 92 05:45:00 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu !lynx!draco.unm.edu!opus@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Colby Kraybill) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Subject: Printing, using groff, DEC MIPS... Message-Id: <88jq6zr@lynx.unm.edu> Sender: info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Hello I've run into just hours of fun while trying to print out something with EZ. Here is the exact configuration of the stuff that I am using, EZ Version 7.0, ATK 5.1 on a DEC MIPS 5000/120 running under X11 R5. I am using groff version 1.05. I've put in my global.prf: *.formatcommand: groff -pte -E /tmp/%s.n | *.PrintCommand: lpr -Pljea1 -Dpostscript The printer is an HP IIIsi. Now then, if I try to print, all I get is a cover page. If I sit there and do lpq's I see the job shoot through the printer via stdin with a size of about 6K. I've gone outside of EZ and done a groff manually on the .n file and *Finally* got the thing to print out, however it would be convient to print right from EZ. Any suggestions? -- Colby Kraybill Space and Planetary Image Facility University of New Mexico opus@pioneer.unm.edu Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for info-andrew; Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:44:31 EST Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-921112-1) id AA12970; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:45:59 -0800 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921112-2) id AA10213; Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:43:39 -0800 Received: from zindigo by z-code.com (4.1/NBN-16/ZC-7) id AA11557; Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:29:08 PST Received: by zindigo (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @z-code.z-code.com:andrew.cmu.edu!info-andrew id AA27609; Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:31:10 -0800 From: bobg@zindigo.z-code.com (Bob Glickstein) Message-Id: <9211162331.ZM27607@zindigo.z-code.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:31:09 -0800 Organization: Z-Code Software Corp., Marin County, CA Reply-To: Bob Glickstein X-Face: =($SY|/2Odk(K$UOYYH88u8x@sP9c'l[^RZwSi<=~B9w.bD}Xueurgex5p1D:0')q.qr8iC%%