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Is there anyone who can help me solve this problem with the clicklists?

I am implementing an information browser, which looks like the figure shown 
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There are three clicklists. The first one is initialized when the application 
starts 


\typewriter{InfoBrowser_go(v,dat)

struct view *v;

 long dat;

\{

struct InfoBrowser *self;

if((self = FindSelf(v)) == NULL) return;

/* user code begins here for InfoBrowser_go */

\{


InitLists();

value_SetStrArrayAndSize(self->AgentsList, AgentsList, (long)nrofagentitems);

\}

/* user code ends here for InfoBrowser_go */

\}

}
AgentsLists is declared as


\typewriter{static char *AgentsList[];

}
and its elements are allocated with the function malloc and initialized in 
InitLists.


The idea is to click on one of the elements on the first list and get a list 
of information related to it in the second clicklist. And then by clicking on 
one of the elements of the second list to get a list of information related to 
it in the third clicklist.


To this end, in the \typewriter{AgentsListCallBack} I retrieve the information 
related to the element of the first clicklist which has been clicked on, put 
it into an array declared as


\typewriter{static char *ComponentsList[];}


(whose elements are allocated with malloc) and I do a


\typewriter{value_SetStringArrayAndSize(self->ComponentsList, ComponentsList, 
(long)nCList);

}
At this point the application crashes.

Any hints?


Thank you



Antonia Rana


CEC Joint Research Centre

Ispra Establishment

I-21020     Ispra (VA)

Italy

Tel.        +39-332-78.54.78

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e-mail    a_rana@jrc.it 


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Antonia,


	Your problem is a combination of a documentation error and a compiler that 
doesn't check for unresolved function names. 

Your first call is calling the correct function, as documented in the 
\italic{value} section of the manual.


value_Set\bold{Str}ArrayAndSize(self->AgentsList, AgentsList, 
(long)nrofagentitems);


In the second,  you followed the incorrect example in the\italic{ clicklistV} 
section of the manual and called 


\typewriter{value_Set\bold{String}ArrayAndSize(self->ComponentsList, 
ComponentsList, (long)nCList);

}
Change the latter call and all will be well. Sorry for the confusion.


	Tom N.

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We write some application, where we want to insert objects automatically.
I have written some dataobject, which inserts objects according to some switch.
The part of code in my dataobject is:

	switch (treedata->content)
	  {
	    case geometric_content:
		{
		text_InsertObject(doctext,start,"zip","zipv");
		length=1;
		break;
		}
	    case raster_content:
		{
		text_InsertObject(doctext,start,"raster","rasterv");
		length=1;
		break;
		}
	    default:
		{
		length=0;
		}
	  }

Inserting raster (and other classes) works well, but zip crashes.
What happens is, that zip builds up its view correctly.
But it allocates more and more memory.
It is a matter of seconds till the whole application crashes.
The scrollbar of the surrounded textwindow did never appear.
Maybe this has something to do with the strange dataformat of zip.
Zip data don't have begindata and enddata marks.

Christian Sodomka
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}\quotation{		text_InsertObject(doctext,start,"zip","zipv");

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The string "zipv" is the filename of the \bold{\typewriter{zipview}} class. 
 Change the last argument from "zipv" --> "zipview" or NULL.


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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CALL FOR PAPERS  -  Andrew Technical Conference, 1992


The Andrew Toolkit Consortium is pleased to invite your contributions to


	Andrew Technical Conference, 1992

	--  Interfaces beyond ASCII  --


When I write a program, I usually draw little pictures to explain data 
structures or decision logic.  Why are these pictures lost when the program 
exists?  This is part of the larger question of universal information forms.


The canonical information form--the lingua franca between applications--has 
progressed from single-case text, to ASCII, and now ISO-8859.  Applications 
are beyond this stage, however, incorporating typographic text and embedded 
images, so it is time to begin extending the canonical information form with 
support for enhanced text at a fundamental level of the system.  It should 
always be possible to cut and paste between applications.  Program constants 
and comments (at least) should allow illustrations.  Data bases should store 
pictures of parts and logos of suppliers.  Electronic mail should routinely 
transfer information with the full complexity of the printed page, but without 
the frozen and bloated form of fax representations.  As a reader of an 
electronic message, I should be able to extract all or a portion of a message 
and massage it further with the same ease as the original author.


ATK and AMS, the Andrew Toolkit and Andrew Message System, offer an 
environment in which applications can shareextended text and other objects. 
 Indeed, AMS has offered interchange of formated information since 1987.  The 
theme of this year's ATK/AMS technical conference -- Interfaces beyond ASCII 
-- is to share experience and speculate on further requirements and 
possibilities for integrated environments with higher level information forms.


In addition to papers related to the theme, the conference invites papers on 
the entire realm of ATK and AMS:


	applications based on the toolkit

	extensions to the toolkit

	new objects

	data stream alternatives

	alternative toolkits



Proposals due: 10 May 1992

Acceptance by: 20 May

Completed papers due: 15 June

Electronic submission in ATK format is encouraged, but not necessary.


Conference dates and location:


	June 25-26, 1992  (Thursday and Friday)

	Adamson Wing

	Carnegie Mellon University

	Pittsburgh PA

		Tutorials: 25 June 1992

		Annual meeting: evening of June 25

		Technical Conference: 26 June



Proceedings will be made available.


For more information, contact:


	Wilfred J. Hansen

	Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium

	School of Computer Science

	Carnegie Mellon

	238 UCCB

	4910 Forbes Ave.

	Pittsburgh, PA 15213


	wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu

	412-268-6788


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\quotation{> Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

}\quotation{> Could not open the display; this program will not run without a 
window system.

}
\quotation{Other X apps work alright?  I can't think of any reason ATK  would 
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}\quotation{in this way if other apps work...

}
I've seen this problem occasionally over the last couple of years.  An ATK 
application won't start, but xterm or xemacs or xclock start fine.  I've never 
tracked it down, though.  My suspicion is that ATK is using a different "host" 
name to connect to the X server, than xclock (for example) would use, and that 
the code in xim.c/SetupDisplay() should be checked carefully with that in 
mind.


Bill

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It could also be that ATK is using a different verison of the resolver
library than other X applications, or is incorrectly configured to use
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> Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

> Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window 
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Other X apps work alright?  I can't think of any reason ATK  would die

in this way if other apps work...

}


When we had this problem, we found that only Sun machines were affected that 
had *not* been configured to use NIS support.  I think we discovered that 
Andrew was compiled on these machines without a RESOLVLIB definition in 
config/site.mcr; that its, "RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a" was absent 
during compilation, and therefore Andrew applications were missing the 
resolver code needed for remote X applications.


Bob

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        "Carlyn M. Lowery" <lowery@thumper.bellcore.com>

Recently -- possibly starting when we upgraded to SunOS 4.1.2, though
that's by no means certain -- a new bug has appeared in using Andrew,
and it seems to be NFS-related.  The symptom of the bug is that when you
delete a mail folder, Andrew gives you the error message

Somebody apparently added a message to the folder right before you tried
to remove it.

and the folder is not completely deleted.  (An empty UNIX folder
persists, as to entries in various user index files.)  I've been digging
around to figure out what happened, and it turned out that a call to
rmdir(2) (in ams/libs/ms/rmvdir.c, line 69, for anyone who cares) was
failing with ENOTEMPTY.  If you go and check, it turns out that the
directory IS empty UNLESS YOU CHECK RIGHT AWAY.  If you check right
away, however, you will notice that there is a file named something like
".nfsEB13" in the directory, which is what caused the rmdir to fail!

Now, I have analyzed the problem, but I'm not at all sure how to fix it.
 Why is NFS keeping this file around?  What is the right thing to do? 
The only things I can think of that would probably work would be the
following, none of which are satisfactory:

	1.  Treat ENOTEMPTY as a temporary error, sleeping a few seconds and 
		trying again, at least for a few tries.

	2.  Do the equivalent of "rm .nfs*" before the rmdir call.

	3.  Just sleep a while (how long?) before the rmdir call.

Better, of course, would be to understand why NFS creates this file in
the first place, and how I might prevent that creation.  Any hints or
suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.  Thanks.  -- Nathaniel
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 12-May-92 Peculiar 
NFS/Andrew bug Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1617*)}


\quotation{If you go and check, it turns out that the

}\quotation{directory IS empty UNLESS YOU CHECK RIGHT AWAY.

}
How closely synchronized are the clocks on your various machines?  We run into 
all manner of NFS problems due to clock drift on machines which don't do 
\italic{rdate}s off of a common clockhost every few hours.  My impression is 
that either (1) clock drift is worse under SunOS 4.1.2, or (2) NFS is more 
sensitive to it, or (3) both.


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

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OK, I've written a fix for the bug that makes delete-folder sometimes fail on 
NFS systems.  Here's the context diff for ams/libs/ms/rmvdir.c.  Basically, it 
just adds a special check before failing when the rmdir fails with ENOTEMPTY:


\example{\smaller{\smaller{% \bold{diff -c rmvdir.c rmvdir.c.orig}

*** rmvdir.c Wed May 13 10:22:59 1992

--- rmvdir.c.orig       Wed May 13 10:17:19 1992

***************

*** 67,83 ****

      \}

      closedir(dirp);

      if(rmdir(DirName) && errno != ENOENT) \{ /* BOGUS -- spurious vice 
ENOENT */

!         if (errno == ENOTEMPTY) \{

!             /* STUPID NFS BUG! */

!             char CmdBuf[1200];

!             sprintf(CmdBuf, "rm %s/.nfs*", DirName);

!             NonfatalBizarreError("Checking for stupid NFS tmp file bug..."); 
           

!             system(CmdBuf);

!             if (!rmdir(DirName) || errno == ENOENT) errno = 0;

!         \}

!         if (errno) \{

!             AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_RMDIR, EVIA_REMOVEDIR);

!         \}

      \}

      RemoveSubsEntry(DirName);

      SetSubsEntry(DirName, "", AMS_UNSUBSCRIBED);

--- 67,73 ----

      \}

      closedir(dirp);

      if(rmdir(DirName) && errno != ENOENT) \{ /* BOGUS -- spurious vice 
ENOENT */

!        AMS_RETURN_ERRCODE(errno, EIN_RMDIR, EVIA_REMOVEDIR);

      \}

      RemoveSubsEntry(DirName);

      SetSubsEntry(DirName, "", AMS_UNSUBSCRIBED);

greenbush ms 86 %% }}}


I hope this will make it into some future patch... -- Nathaniel

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Well,  we run the usual clock-synchronization stuff, but who knows.  I
think that the patch I just posted is probably reasonable defensive code
in any event.  -- Nathaniel

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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael Kedem)
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My AndrewSetup file for printing on SCO is:


    FormatCommand: cat /tmp/%s.n  |
    printCommand:(rcmd `hostname` groff -e \>\! /tmp/%s.ps);rcmd `hostname` lp -d laser /tmp/%s.ps

Note the *rcmd*.

Print would fail whenever I try to remove the *rcmd*, or when I replace it
with "sh".

Any idea why this is happening ? Is this a bug ?

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Hi,

In March I ftp-ed the ATK sources from emsworth and build them on a
Sun3. Everything worked just fine and now we decided to finally install
Andrew on our campus. 
To make sure I had the latest version of Andrew I ftp-ed them again(May
12). The version number in atk/atkvers/atkvers.num still said 5.0.0, so
I assumed that it was the same version perhaps with some patches applied.

When the make failed (this time on a Sun4) I discovered that my original
sources differ completely from the new sources (At least in atk/adew). I
checked out the source tree on emsworth and it is different from the
sources in the split directory. 

Although this has nothing to do with my problem, I hope this makes clear
wich version I'am using right now. (Is this 5.1.1 ?)

Now the problem:

The make failed in atk/adew in arbcon.c with some obscure error like:
fontdesc.ih: 52 syntax error near struct. The include link is:
arbcon.ih:19 -> controlv.ih:43 -> buttonv.ih:27 -> fontdesc.ih:52
The error was of cource somewhere else, namely in celv.ih/celv.eh.

The class compiler generated for the macro celview_GetAppFlag the
following code:

#define celview_GetAppFlag(self,AddAppLayer) \
))
    E

while it should be (I took that from my other sources):

#define celview_GetAppFlag(self,AddAppLayer) \
(Rec

The class compiler from my old sources generated the correct code, so
the problem is not in celv.ch.

The class compiler compiled a lot .ch files without a problem, so it is
not completely broken. This is where I stopped my search, because I'am
not familiar with these parts of Andrew.

I fixed the celv.[ie]h files and continued the make. So far no problems
(although it's not done yet), but this is not a real sollution.

I hope someone knows what could be the problem.

Thanks Harco.

Harco de Hilster
University of Nijmegen
The Netherlands
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Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 14-May-92 Class compiler
broken ? Harco de Hilster@cs.kun. (1866)

> The class compiler generated for the macro celview_GetAppFlag the
> following code:

> #define celview_GetAppFlag(self,AddAppLayer) \
> ))
>     E

> while it should be (I took that from my other sources):

> #define celview_GetAppFlag(self,AddAppLayer) \
> (Rec

This is the symptom of a broken version of celv.ch which accidentally
got released.  Below is the diff between the latest version and the one
that got released:

RCS file: RCS/celv.ch,v
retrieving revision 2.12
diff -r2.12 celv.ch
5c5
< /* $Header:
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/atk/adew/RCS/celv.ch,v
 2.12 1991/09/12 19:19:12 bobg Exp $ */
---
> /* $Header:
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/atk/adew/RCS/celv.ch,v
 2.13 1991/10/21 19:21:05 gk5g Exp $ */
10c10
< static char *rcsid_celview_H = "$Header:
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/
andrew/atk/adew/RCS/celv.ch,v 2.12 1991/09/12 19:19:12 bobg Exp $ ";
---
> static char *rcsid_celview_H = "$Header:
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/
andrew/atk/adew/RCS/celv.ch,v 2.13 1991/10/21 19:21:05 gk5g Exp $ ";
68c68
<     GetAppFlag ((self)->AddAppLayer)
---
>     GetAppFlag() ((self)->AddAppLayer)


Applying this fix to atk/adew/celv.ch, then doing a make clean in
atk/adew, and a make dependInstall after that should clear up the
problem.

-Rob
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CALL FOR PAPERS  -  Andrew Technical Conference, 1992


The Andrew Toolkit Consortium is pleased to invite your contributions to


	Andrew Technical Conference, 1992

	--  Interfaces beyond ASCII  --


See Reminder post dated 8-May-1992 for abstract.  


Extended Dates:  


Proposals due: 20 May 1992

Acceptance by: 30 May

Completed papers due: 15 June

Electronic submission in ATK format is encouraged, but not necessary.


We originally intended to hold the conference be held on June 25-26, 1992. 
 Since there are many other conventions being held that weekend in the 
Pittsburgh area, we are considering pushing the conference back a few weeks to 
the 2nd or 3rd week in July.  Please contact us as soon as possible if you are 
planning to attend.  


For more information or questions, contact:


	Wilfred J. Hansen

	Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium

	School of Computer Science

	Carnegie Mellon

	238 UCCB

	4910 Forbes Ave.

	Pittsburgh, PA 15213


	wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu

	412-268-6788

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Date: 14 May 92 07:11:06 GMT
From: tulane!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sicsun!slhp1.epfl.ch!lecom@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Claude Lecommandeur)
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   I just tried to compile the Andrew version distributed with mit X11R5 on
my HP, but it is said that this version (ATK5.0) won't work on hpux8.x and
that we have to wait for ATK5.1. Can someone tell me if ATK5.1 is released ?


   Thanks in advance.

 claude.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 14-May-92 Andrew on HP710/hpux8.07 
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\quotation{I just tried to compile the Andrew version distributed with mit 
X11R5 on

}\quotation{my HP, but it is said that this version (ATK5.0) won't work on 
hpux8.x and

}\quotation{that we have to wait for ATK5.1. Can someone tell me if ATK5.1 is 
released ?

}
ATK5.1 is about to be released.  I can't give you the exact date, though.  It 
should compile on the HP710 but we've never built it on HPUX8.07.


Gary Keim

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Hello, an ATK question.  I would like to build a program which uses
Andrew data objects and other observers, but has no view objects and
no window.  How is this done?

Is defining a sub-class of the application object the right place to
start?  If so, what do I need to change? Appliaction__Go looks like it
needs to go, but I'm not sure what to replace it with.

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Is there an ATK friendly way of ringing the bell on an IM's display?
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No.  You could write ATK code to flash the window, but it could play havoc 
with your application if something else is going on too.   (You would want to 
get the im then do a graphic_Invert fill over it 2n times.)


Generally if something has happened that the user should see it should be sent 
to the message line, if it is critical enough that the user should not do 
anything else until they've seen this message then a dialog is in order.  For 
the first case you should use message_DisplayString(view, 0, "the message"), 
the 0 is the priority of the message.  A message_DisplayString(view, 100, "the 
dialog message") would put the message in a dialog box.


-Rob Ryan

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\quotation{Hello, an ATK question.  I would like to build a program which uses 
Andrew data objects and other observers, but has no view objects and no 
window.  How is this done?

}
\quotation{Is defining a sub-class of the application object the right place 
to start?  If so, what do I need to change? Appliaction__Go looks like it 
needs to go, but I'm not sure what to replace it with.

}
Yes, a subclass of application is what you want to use.  The best place to 
start is probably from a copy of eza.c in atk/ez.  You'll need to strip out a 
bunch of useless code, but it demonstrates how to do an application subclass. 
 You might also want to look at example 1 in $ANDREWDIR/examples.  In addition 
to overriding start, you will need to override application_Run to do your main 
computation.


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

p.s. was Application__Go a typo?  application has no such method...

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I have an unusual problem with andrew 5.0 and 5.1 with X11R4 on a 386
running Mach, and also with using a Vaxstation as an Xterminal to the
Mach machine. It occurs with both Mach 2.6 and 3.0.  Basically,
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I recently found a minor memory leak in "note".

Please (whoever is in charge) send me the address for reporting.

Thanks

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When running doindex, if I access /usr/andrew/dlib/atk via NFS, I get an 
error. Otherwise it works fine. 

Is it caused by the same logic as in "Peculiar NFS/Andrew bug" ?

I'll welcome any hints on how to patch doindex.

doindex: indexing vnote.do ...OK
doindex: indexing vnoteview.do ...OK
doindex: Writing index file...doindex: Error creating new index file...program t
erminated!
make: *** [install.time] Error 1

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> When running doindex, if I access /usr/andrew/dlib/atk via NFS, I get an 
> error. Otherwise it works fine. 


You have an NFS file locking problem.  (If you're having trouble
building Andrew under NFS, just wait until you try running it!)  :)

> Is it caused by the same logic as in "Peculiar NFS/Andrew bug" ?


Not at all related; the previous bug was caused a client/server
synchronization delay. Your problem is likely caused by NFS not
cooperating with the Andrew definition for
"osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock(fid), which is defined in
config/${SYS_IDENT}/system.h as a system call to either "flock" or
"lockf", depending on your system architecture. 

What system are you trying to build Andrew on?  We're familiar with an
NFS locking problem on SGIs, but don't know what to do about it.  Here's
a work-around suggestion, though:  try building Andrew on the server, to
avoid the doindex locking problem.  Then test various applications on
the client.  Most of Andrew should work ok, with the notable exception
of messages, which will likely fail with errors similar to what you've
found for the doindex program.

Has anybody else discovered/resolved NFS file locking problems in
Andrew, particularly on SGIs?

Bob
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Yes, you've got it pretty much right.  Make a subclass of "application",
and just have it do whatever needs to be done.  Override the
"application_Start" method to do any application-specific startup or
setup, override the "application_Run" procedure to do whatever the
application normally does when it is running, and override the
"application_Stop" procedure to do any application-specific cleanup or
shutdown operations.  There is no need for an application to create a
window if it has no use for one, so don't worry about not creating one.

There is no method "application_Go", so I'm slightly confused as to your
meaning there.

Bill
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\begindata{text,2168576}
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\define{global
}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 14-May-92 ATK: An application 
without.. Eric Baltischwiler@komsy (443)}


\quotation{Hello, an ATK question.  I would like to build a program which uses

}\quotation{Andrew data objects and other observers, but has no view objects 
and

}\quotation{no window.  How is this done?

}
Of course, another way to do it is just to write a program.  I often use 
programs that look something like this:


\example{#include <stdio.h>


#include <class.h>


/****** include whatever .ih files for whatever ATK classes you want to use, 
right here *******/


main (ac, av, envp)


int ac;

char **av;

char **envp;


\{

  initclass(av[0]);


/***** put whatever class code you like here *******/


  exit (0);

\}


static initclass (program)

char * program;

\{


  im_SetProgramName(program);	/* if this isn't done, im_Create() will 
core-dump.  Dumb.  */


#if ((sun)&&(sparc))


#include <sys/fcntl.h>	/* for O_RDWR */


  \{

    int fd;


    /*

     * XXX - force "/dev/zero" to be open as a file descriptor one

     * greater than the first available one, as a workaround for a

     * 4.1 bug (also present in 4.1.1) in the run-time loader.

     * (Fixed in System V Release 4, allegedly.)

     */


    printf ("doing fix for SunOS 4.1...\\n");


    fd = open("/dev/zero", O_RDWR);

    dup(fd);			/* one greater */

    close(fd);

  \}

#endif


  class_Init(AndrewDir("/dlib/atk"));

\}

}
Then link with whatever libraries are needed.  Usually all you need are 
$\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libclass.a and $\{BASEDIR\}/lib/libutil.a:


\example{ld -o myprogram myprogram.o /andrew/lib/libclass.a 
/andrew/lib/libutil.a

}
Bill

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 In article <1992May15.143557.25851@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> After compiling Andrew 5.0.0 on a SPARCstation 2 running SunOS 4.1.1 and
|> OpenWindows 3.0, I try to run a simple command such as help.  I get the
|> message:
|> 
|> 	Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
|> 
|> and an intro help window pops up, then disappears.  All that remains is a core
|> file.  No error messages are displayed in either the starting window or the
|> console.
|> 
|> The only program I can run is console, but it seems to have strange cursors.
|> 


This sounds like a problem related to bugs in the 5.0 xgraphic code.  Patches that correct
this problem have been posted to this newsgroup in the past couple of months.  

A symptom of the xgraphic bug was Andrew's inability to display window applications
containing a slide bar, on certain displays.  To test whether your problem is related to the
xgraphic bug, try increasing the verticle length of your console window (this exposes the
slide bar).  If your window vanishes, try finding & installing the xgraphic patches. Oh--the
bug affects "mono" screens.  If you're running on a color workstation, your problem probably
lies elsewhere.

Bob
 
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rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-May-92 problems with help
>on decst.. Alberto Meroni@archeboc. (784)

>> For example if it does a 
>> cc -c ../foo/foo2.c

>This kind of thing shouldn't be happening.  Usually it indicates an
>attempt to build part of the tree before another part on which the first
>depends.  Are you trying to use VPATH or any other magic to allow .o
>files to go somewhere besides where the source files are?  (We use a
>"shadow" tree where all the source files are links to the real source
>tree.)
I am doing nothing particularly smart, I am only installing real copies instaed of
symbolic links. The explanation given is not the correct one I think 
because if for example I am in a directory A and the Makefile requires  
the file C.o in directory ../B which has already been built the Makefile delete first of
all
the file ../B/C.o and then makes 
cc -c ../B/C.o 
with the result that C.o is placed in the current directory not in ../B
This seems to be the standard behaviour of the dec c compiler.
So it seems that the problem is in the combination Makefile Imakefile.

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-May-92 problems with help
>on decst.. Alberto Meroni@archeboc. (784)

>> At the end I compiled everything (ATK not AMS) and everything works
>> except for help which core dump for an unaligned access. I could not
>> find where the problem is. Note that help -m works.

>I haven't seen this problem, it seems to work fine for me.  A new
>release is iminent, perhaps this problem has already been fixed.
a similar problem is present also in table but here I have the message
fixed unaligned access at....
Finally I am running the X11R5 version of andrew which has the message ATK 5.0 while 
The remote demo service says ATK 5.1. Which is the last version and where
it is available  ?
Last let me say that ez is great !
Thank you very much
Alberto Meroni
P.S. I tried to subscribe to the mailing list from my machine in France but without any result ?
Any problem ?
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-May-92 problems with help
>on decst.. Alberto Meroni@archeboc. (784)

>> I compiled everything with DPS_ENV set but when I choose from ez media
>> postscript it say that it can't load postscript.

>As far as I know the DPS_ENV flag has only been tested on IBM RS/6000s. 
>  Also it is in contrib, so if you don't define CONTRIB_ENV it won't be
>built.

>-Rob Ryan
>Andrew Toolkit Consortium
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>What system are you trying to build Andrew on?  We're familiar with an
>NFS locking problem on SGIs, but don't know what to do about it.

All the evidence that I've seen indicates that the rpc.lockd scheme is
fundamentally flawed.

>Has anybody else discovered/resolved NFS file locking problems in
>Andrew, particularly on SGIs?

I've built and run several vintages across NFS on Sun 3's and 4's and not
had problems, but then, I've never even attempted to use lockf.  I have mail
on my mail server filter through a program that writes each message to a
unique file in my Mailbox directory, which I read from my workstation.  It's
not completely bulletproof, but it beats the hell out of trying to maintain
consistency with an mbox-type incoming heap.

I still find it amazing that nobody has ever written down a word about what
dofix/doindex are trying to do.  How did it ever get ported to any new machines?

-- 


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]  I am in dire need of a reference manual for the
Accounting package Solomon.
  Does anyone know where I might locate one?

  If so, please E-mail me. 
-- 
                  'Tis better to light just one candle,

                   Than to curse the darkness      
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> I still find it amazing that nobody has ever written down a word about what
> dofix/doindex are trying to do.  How did it ever get ported to any new
> machines?

> -- 


Briefly, "dofix" makes an object file dynamically loadable so that it
can be used by the Andrew class runtime system.  "Doindex" creates an
index entry for the newly created object file, and stores it in a file
called "index".  Indexing maps a utility name to a class object, and 
facilitates fast start-up.

Each time a new dynamically loadable object file is created, the index
file needs to be updated.  The index file (for an Andrew build) is
located in /usr/andrew/dlib/atk. During the updating process, the
indexing utility (doindex) ensures that it has exclusive access to
/usr/andrew/dlib/atk/index by issuing an exclusive lock on this
file--either by using flock, or lockf.

From the cursory description of your problem (doindex fails on
NFS-mounted directory), I assumed you had a locking problem, for locking
is the only notable distinction I can see in running "doinex" in an
NFS-mounted vs non-NFS-mounted environment. That might not be the case,
though, in your situation--it was just a guess.

Bob
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From: "Robin Jeffries (jeffries@hpl.hp.com) " <robin@hplrmj.hpl.hp.com>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: adding new headers to sendmessages

Is there a way that I can add a new header to all the messages I send? 
I found an old message that told me how to add a menu-item that adds new
headers, but I don't want the overhead of having to invoke the menu.  I
want the new header to appear on every message I compose.  

This needs to be at the individual user level, not system wide, if at
all possible.  

Thanks,
Robin Jeffries
HP Laboratories
jeffries@hpl.hp.com
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Date: 30 Apr 92 20:08:00 GMT
From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu  (Robert Andrew Ryan)
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Subject: Re: Can Andrew handle grayscale X terminals? (was Re: Using Andrew)
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Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 30-Apr-92 Can Andrew handle
grayscale.. Greg Darnell@idaho.amdah (1712)

> I can't find anything in the installation documents about configuration
> for different X servers, such as mono,
> 4-bit gray, or color, so it appears that it just can't handle grayscale.

Which version of ATK are you using?  The initial support for greyscale
and static gray displays with >1 bits/pixel was buggy.  The latest code
should be better, but it still has problems on some displays.  (e.g.
NeXT 2-bit static-grey, and TrueColor).

The currently released version is 5.0.  There have been some patches
posted here by Bill Janssen which address some problems with different
displays too.  I can mail you those if you'd like.

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Toolkit Consortium
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rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-May-92 problems with help
>on decst.. Alberto Meroni@archeboc. (784)

>> For example if it does a 
>> cc -c ../foo/foo2.c

>This kind of thing shouldn't be happening.  Usually it indicates an
>attempt to build part of the tree before another part on which the first
>depends.  Are you trying to use VPATH or any other magic to allow .o
>files to go somewhere besides where the source files are?  (We use a
>"shadow" tree where all the source files are links to the real source
>tree.)
I am doing nothing particularly smart, I am only installing real copies 
instaed of symbolic links. The explanation given is not the correct one 
I think because if for example I am in a directory A and the Makefile requires  
the file C.o in directory ../B which has already been built the Makefile 
delete first of all the file ../B/C.o and then makes 
cc -c ../B/C.o 
with the result that C.o is placed in the current directory not in ../B
This seems to be the standard behaviour of the dec c compiler.
So it seems that the problem is in the combination Makefile Imakefile.

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 13-May-92 problems with help
>on decst.. Alberto Meroni@archeboc. (784)

>> At the end I compiled everything (ATK not AMS) and everything works
>> except for help which core dump for an unaligned access. I could not
>> find where the problem is. Note that help -m works.

>I haven't seen this problem, it seems to work fine for me.  A new
>release is iminent, perhaps this problem has already been fixed.
a similar problem is present also in table but here I have the message
fixed unaligned access at....
Finally I am running the X11R5 version of andrew which has the message 
ATK 5.0 while The remote demo service says ATK 5.1. Which is the 
last version and where it is available  ?
Last let me say that ez is great !
Thank you very much
Alberto Meroni
P.S. I tried to subscribe to the mailing list from my machine 
but without any result. 
Any problem ?
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\quotation{Is there a way that I can add a new header to all the messages I 
send? 

}\quotation{I found an old message that told me how to add a menu-item that 
adds new

}\quotation{headers, but I don't want the overhead of having to invoke the 
menu.  I

}\quotation{want the new header to appear on every message I compose.  

}
Actually, if you do exactly that but bind it to the standard menu & keystrokes 
for sending mail, there isn't any extra overhead, is there?  -- Nathaniel

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From: nih-csl!alw.nih.gov!rdew@uunet.uu.net  (Bob Dew)
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 In article <1992May15.143557.25851@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> After compiling Andrew 5.0.0 on a SPARCstation 2 running SunOS 4.1.1 and
|> OpenWindows 3.0, I try to run a simple command such as help.  I get the
|> message:
|> 
|> 	Starting help (Version 7.2, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
|> 
|> and an intro help window pops up, then disappears.  All that remains is a core
|> file.  No error messages are displayed in either the starting window or the
|> console.
|> 
|> The only program I can run is console, but it seems to have strange cursors.
|> 


This sounds like a problem related to bugs in the 5.0 xgraphic code.  Patches that correct
this problem have been posted to this newsgroup in the past couple of months.  

A symptom of the xgraphic bug was Andrew's inability to display window applications
containing a slide bar, on certain displays.  To test whether your problem is related to the
xgraphic bug, try increasing the verticle length of your console window (this exposes the
slide bar).  If your window vanishes, try finding & installing the xgraphic patches. Oh--the
bug affects "mono" screens.  If you're running on a color workstation, your problem probably
lies elsewhere.

Bob
 
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\quotation{Finally I am running the X11R5 version of andrew which has the 
message ATK 5.0 while The remote demo service says ATK 5.1. Which is the last 
version and where it is available  ?

}
Release 5.0 is available on the X tape, export.lcs.mit.edu and 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.  Release 5.1 (the CDROM release) will be available 
within the next week.  


What problems are you having with the mailing list?  You can contact me 
directly on this.  


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu> 

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You should look at code I put into doindex for use under AIX 1.1 or AIX
1.2 on the IBM PS/2.  The comment says:

/* BAAAAAD things happen on ps/2 aix if you try to
 lock an NFS file. Use the "grab a well-known file"
 hack instead. */

Perhaps we should have a variable "LOCKF_LOSES_ENV" which would enable
this code for other platforms where file locking is better done through
some other means.

-wdc
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> Perhaps we should have a variable "LOCKF_LOSES_ENV" which would enable
> this code for other platforms where file locking is better done through
> some other means.

> -wdc


But if you can't build things using flock, neither can you run target
programs that contain flock system calls.  So while "doindex" is
systematic of Andrew's locking troubles, "flock" is the root of the
problem.

We're currently in a pickle,  for example, because flock reeks havoc
with the nfs/afs translator, preventing us from using programs like
messages on certain system architectures which don't yet support AFS.

If enough problems are identified that are caused by Andrew's use of
flock, perhaps the top-level config definition for
osi_ExclusiveLockNoBlock should be replaced with some alternative
locking mechanism.

Bob



 
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In article <14647@pitt.UUCP>, km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
! I have an unusual problem with andrew 5.0 and 5.1 with X11R4 on a 386
! running Mach, and also with using a Vaxstation as an Xterminal to the
! Mach machine. It occurs with both Mach 2.6 and 3.0.  Basically,
! cursors on all the applications consist of varying letters of the
! alphabet.          -----------------------------------------------                       

Is it just the cursor, or do you also have problems with the scroll bars, 
etc . ?  
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Michael Kedem                                 michael@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa                problems: kedem@aix1.uottawa.ca
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From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Michael Kedem)
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In article <1992May18.145508.2517@news.eng.convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
! >What system are you trying to build Andrew on?  We're familiar with an
! >NFS locking problem on SGIs, but don't know what to do about it.



---> Sorry , our system lost some articles again.

I am using SCO SYS V 3.2.2., which includes a version of NFS.


! 
! All the evidence that I've seen indicates that the rpc.lockd scheme is
! fundamentally flawed.
!
!
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Subject: problems getting 5.1


after repeated attempts to download version 5.1 from emsworth I
came across the 5.1 FAQ. It says the distrib is split into 11 parts
andrew.aa.tar.Z through andrew.ak.tar.Z. Apparently, I have been
trying, for several hours, to uncompress and untar an incomplete
distribution (tar xvf fails the directory checksum). Whats the deal?

-Mathew Yeates
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From: pa.dec.com!Steve_Lammert%transarc.com@decwrl.dec.com
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<SURU@TWNMOE10.BITNET> writes:
>     Is this group for Andrew File System (AFS)? Please introduce me
> to the correct newsgroup if this is not. Thanks.

I don't know of any public newsgroups for AFS.

Try sending mail to afs-sales@transarc.com.  They can certainly send
you AFS 3.1 product information, and they might also be able to tell
you about discussion groups.

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Please sent me information on Andrew

	Thanks,
		Bill


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\begindata{text,539638080}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\define{symbola
menu:[Font~1,SymbolA~86]
attr:[FontFamily symbola Int 0]}
\define{realsmall
menu:[Font~1,RealSmall~88]
attr:[Script PreviousScriptMovement Point -4]
attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -4]}
\define{symbol
menu:[Font~1,Symbol~84]
attr:[FontFamily symbol Int 0]}
\define{definition
menu:[Region~4,Definition~85]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Cm 138717]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Cm 138717]
attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point -2]}
Release 5.1 is not yet publicly available.  A notice will be posted to 
info-andrew and x.announce within the next week or so announcing it's 
availability. 


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Date: 19 May 92 23:54:05 GMT
From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!mercury.unt.edu!mips.mitek.com!convex!datri@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Anthony A. Datri)
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>> Is there a way that I can add a new header to all the messages I send? 
>> I found an old message that told me how to add a menu-item that adds new
>> headers, but I don't want the overhead of having to invoke the menu.  I
>> want the new header to appear on every message I compose.  

>Actually, if you do exactly that but bind it to the standard menu &
>keystrokes for sending mail, there isn't any extra overhead, is there? 

I tried the undocumented .whateverinit stuff when it was posted.  I got the
menu entry, but selecting it was a no-op.



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Date: 19 May 92 16:40:56 GMT
From: gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu  (Gary Keim)
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Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 19-May-92 Patches for Andrew
5.0 Matthew Wyneken@sun1.ruf (488)

> Are the patches for Andrew 5.0 archived anywhere?
> If so, could somebody please tell me where?

Yes.  They've been collected, integrated into the official sources,
tested (?), and are about to be released as Andrew5.1.

We don't keep an informal patch set, although I think that could be a
good idea.

Gary Keim
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Please send some info on the WYSIWYG editor.

Thanks.

Martin Renters
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\quotation{I tried the undocumented .whateverinit stuff when it was posted.  I 
got the

}\quotation{menu entry, but selecting it was a no-op.

}
OK, well I just tried it, and the following worked for me.  Note that the 
"addmenu" line is ALL ONE LINE in your .messagesinit or .sendmessageinit file, 
regardless of how it looks on your screen (it's a very long line).  It works 
for me, your mileage may vary.  Note also that you will want to change the 
actual contents of the header ("X-Idiocy: automatically-added-garbage"), most 
likely...


\example{\smaller{# This one overrides Send with a send that adds a stupid 
header

addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Send/Post" sendmessage sendmessage 
inherit "sendmessage-add-header X-Idiocy: 
automatically-added-garbage;sendmessage-send-message"


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        Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: adding new headers to sendmessages
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Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (841+0)}


\quotation{OK, well I just tried it, and the following worked for me.  Note 
that the "addmenu" line is ALL ONE LINE in your .messagesinit or 
.sendmessageinit file, regardless of how it looks on your screen (it's a very 
long line).  It works for me, your mileage may vary.  Note also that you will 
want to change the actual contents of the header ("X-Idiocy: 
automatically-added-garbage"), most likely...

}
\example{\smaller{\quotation{# This one overrides Send with a send that adds a 
stupid header

}\quotation{addmenu sendmessage-compound-operation "Send/Post" sendmessage 
sendmessage inherit "sendmessage-add-header X-Idiocy: 
automatically-added-garbage;sendmessage-send-message"

}
}}
I have to admit I'm not a ness hacker, so perhaps I misunderstood what this 
does, but I think that the solution you are providing is for a different 
problem than the one I have.  I want a new header added at the time I start 
composing the message.  I want to be able to fill in the stuff after the colon 
myself.  e.g.,


To:

Subject:

cc:

X-Keywords:


I want it to show up in sends, replies and forwards.  If I understood your 
solution, it adds a canned header after the message has been composed, when I 
try to send it.


Does anyone have a solution to my problem?


Robin Jeffries

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Subject: Re: adding new headers to sendmessages
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Oops, you're right, I solved entirely the wrong problem.  It's probably
also possible to solve your problem with init files, but it would
probably be fairly messy -- you'd want to replace all the sending menus
in the mesages window with new operations that do the same proctable
entries they now do PLUS some partial header addition.  I haven't tried
it, but something like this might work:

addmenu messages-compound-operation "Send/Post Message" messages
messages inherit "messages-send-message; messages-sendmessage-compound
sendmessage-add-header X-Idiocy:"

If the above works -- and I repeat, I haven't tried it -- then similar
things could be done for forwarding, replies, etc...  -- Nathaniel

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This guy wants as much documentation as we can send.  He has had phone 
promises, but no results.  (Maybe with daz.)


Lt. Cmdr. Stenzoski

Naval Post Graduate School

35 Revere Rd.

Monterey, CA 93940


email:   Stenzosk@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil

phone: 408-646-5436


(advisor: Remesh.  Using ATK for a knowledge based engineering project. 
   ramesh@is1.as.nps.navy.mil.)



A) Have you the information packet daz assembled?

B) He had received a price quote of $30 and was told to pay after he got the 
stuff.  Is this usual?  

C) Since he's had a run-around, we should send him something immediately, Air 
Express.  and send him email saying how and when it's coming. 


Sigh.  Now we need a receptionist.


FredH\
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attr:['color' 'Blue']}
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attr:['color' 'Cyan']}
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menu:[Color,Yellow]
attr:['color' 'Yellow']}
\center{\bigger{\bigger{Andrew Toolkit Release 5.1}}}


The Andrew Toolkit Consortium of Carnegie Mellon University's School of 
Computer Science is pleased to announce the release of new versions of the 
Andrew User Environment, Andrew Toolkit, and Andrew Message System.  


\leftindent{The Andrew User Environment (AUE) is an integrated set of 
applications beginning with a 'generic object' editor, ez, a help system, a 
system monitoring tool (console), an editor-based shell interface 
(typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents. }


\indent{The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that 
runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment 
wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could edit text 
that, in addition to containing multiple fonts, contains embedded raster 
images, spreadsheets, drawing editors, equations, simple animations, etc. 
These embedded objects could themselves contain other objects, including text. 
With the toolkit, programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as 
easily as those that come with the system. 


The Andrew Message System (AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and 
bulletin-boards.  AMS supports several mail management strategies and 
implements many advanced  features including authentication, return receipts, 
automatic sorting of mail, vote collection and tabulation, enclosures, audit 
trails of related messages, and subscription management. It also provides a 
variety of interfaces that support ttys and low-function personal computers in 
addition to the high-function workstations. 

}
Release 5.1 of Andrew contains many bug fixes, updates and improvements in 
both code and documentation. Release 5.1 also contains a variety of new 
facilities, including support for the new Internet MIME (Multipurpose Internet 
Mail Extensions) standards for multipart, multimedia mail.  For more 
information on MIME, please see the CHANGES files in the ftp directory on 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu.  


This release can be obtained in several ways.  The sources are available via 
anonymous ftp from the Internet host export.lcs.mit.edu (IP: 18.30.0.238) in 
the ./contrib/andrew tree.  For details, see ./contrib/andrew/README.  


Andrew, as well as a variety of other CMU software, is also available via 
anonymous ftp from the Internet host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (IP: 
128.2.30.62).  For details, see ./README.   For those having AFS access, the 
ftp directory is  /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp.  The README 
file explains the directory structure and contents of the ftp'able software. 
 Installation instructions are provided in INSTALL.  See the CHANGES file in 
the top-level ftp directory for a summary of changes from Release 5.0 to 5.1. 
 


\bold{Remote Andrew Demo Service}


This network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit applications without the 
overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew software.  You need a host 
machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 window system.  A 
simple "finger" command will allow you to experience ATK applications 
firsthand.  You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, navigate through 
the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message System to browse 
through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups.


To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on 
your machine:


\leftindent{finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu}


The service will give you further instructions.   


\bold{Information Sources}


Your bug reports are welcome; kindly send them to 
info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu and we will periodically post a status report 
to the mailing list info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu.  To be added to the mailing 
list or make other requests, send mail to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu. 
 


Copies of the entire X distribution software can also be obtained, for the 
nominal distribution charge, by contacting:

\leftindent{
MIT Software Distribution Center

Technology Licensing Office

Room E32-300

77 Massachusetts Avenue

Cambridge, MA  02139

USA

+1-617-258-8330}


We also distribute the following related materials:


\leftindent{ATK and AMS sources and binaries on CDROM.  Binaries are available 
for the following system types: 


}		IBM RiscSystem/6000

		Sun SparcStation

		HP 700 Series

		DECstation

\leftindent{
ATK and AMS sources on QIC and Iotamat  tapes

Hardcopies of the documentation for ATK and AMS.

Introductory video tape: \italic{Welcome to Andrew: An Overview of the Andrew 
System}.

Technical video tape: \italic{The Andrew Project: A Session at the Winter 1988 
Usenix Conference}.


}More information about these materials is available from:


\leftindent{Information Requests

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Avenue, UCC 214

Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

USA

phone: +1-412-268-6710

fax: +1-412-621-8081

info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

}
The info-andrew unmoderated distribution list contains informal conversations 
between Andrew users and developers. Send mail to 
info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu to be added to the Andrew mailing list (or 
to request any other service that we provide, such as hard copy documentation 
or redistribution of contributed materials). The 
info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu address provides an easy method for reporting 
bugs in the software to the Consortium staff.  


There is also a netnews distribution list,  comp.soft-sys.andrew, which is 
identical to the info-andrew distribution list except that it does not support 
the multi-media capabilities of info-andrew.



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Subject: how to connect to an already running program

Here's something I'd like to be able to do with andrew, that would
greatly improve my working environment.  I'll describe two variations of
what I suspect is the same request.

1.  I run a visual shell (HP-VUE) that allows me to bring up an editor
on a file by doubleclicking the file icon.  However, the way I have
things currently wired, that brings up a new invocation of ez for each
new file.  I often have about 10-15 active editing buffers; if each is a
separate invocation of ez, I can get swap bound pretty easily.  I
specify what happens when I double click an icon with a simple unix
command string.  [presumably that command string could point to a shell
script that ran ness, for example.]  Is there any way for me to say
"find an existing invocation of ez, bring up a new window from within
that process, and bring up the file in question from that window; if ez
is not running, bring it up"?  


2.  This same visual shell also allows me to bring up a mailer by
clicking on my "mail received" icon. I'd like this one to bring up a new
invocation of messages if messages isn't currently running, but if
messages is running to de-iconify it.

Any hints would be greatly appreciated.  

Robin Jeffries
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How can I get the Ez editor ?

--ury
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Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 24-May-92 how to connect to an
alread.. "Robin Jeffries (1229)"

> Is there any way for me to say
> "find an existing invocation of ez, bring up a new window from within
> that process, and bring up the file in question from that window; if ez
> is not running, bring it up"?

You need to obtain Softbench if you don't already have it (presumably
you do since your e-mail address indicates HP).  Assuming ez is
integrated into Softbench, you can tell HP-VUE that your editor is
/usr/softbench/bin/softedit.  This small program sends a message via
Softbench to your editor (ez) to open a new window.  It's real fast.

I will be sending the code to the ATK Consortium shortly.

-todd inglett

P.S.  By any chance is HP-VUE really X.desktop from IXI?  If so, I also
have code that supports drag & drop.  If you drop a file on an ez
window, it will visit that file!  I will also be sending this code to
the ATK Consortium.
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On pmax I have the following problem:

	In /usr/afsws/lib/librx.a xdr.o contains most of the standard xdr routines 
and also

		osi_alloc and osi_free.

	In /lib/libc.a xdr.o also contains most of the standard xdr routines, but not 
osi_alloc or osi_free. Instead there are some other routines needed elsewhere.


The linker doesen't seem to be able to cope with the fact taht there are 
multiply defined routines.

If I remove xdr.o from  /usr/afsws/lib/librx.a I also lose the osi_alloc and 
osi_free routines.

If I remove xdr.o from /lib/libc.a I lose the other ones which are also needed 
somewhere.

So I'm trapped. I don't want to recompile AFS and I can't recompile libc.

Could someone \bigger{help} me out? 


	I'm running a DECStation, Ultrix4.2 and AFS3.2beta.


	Chris.

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On pmax I have the following problem:


	In /usr/afsws/lib/librx.a xdr.o contains most of the standard xdr routines 

and also


		osi_alloc and osi_free.}

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	In /lib/libc.a xdr.o also contains most of the standard xdr routines, but not 

osi_alloc or osi_free. Instead there are some other routines needed elsewhere.

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     It may be a crummy solution, but you need to remove xdr.o from 
/usr/afsws/lib/librx.a to build Andrew--and then you need to put it back to 
carry on life as usual.


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At MIT we build a special version of the library sans xdr.o
for andrew builds and curse Transarc's crummy opsys integration on
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> My original posting:
>> On pmax I have the following problem:

>> 	In /usr/afsws/lib/librx.a xdr.o contains most of the standard xdr routines 
>> and also

> 		osi_alloc and osi_free.

>> 	In /lib/libc.a xdr.o also contains most of the standard xdr routines, but not 
>> osi_alloc or osi_free. Instead there are some other routines needed elsewhere.
End of my original posting

>      It may be a crummy solution, but you need to remove xdr.o from
> /usr/afsws/lib/librx.a to build Andrew--and then you need to put it back
> to carry on life as usual.

> Bob

Excerpts from info-andrew: 26-May-92 Re: Compiling ATK5.1 from s.. Bill
Cattey@athena.mit.e (177)

> At MIT we build a special version of the library sans xdr.o
> for andrew builds and curse Transarc's crummy opsys integration on
> the decmips under our collective breath.

> -wdc

OK, seems like librx.a is the one to blame, however, where do I find
those osi_alloc and osi_free routines that I also lose when I remove
xdr.o from librx.a? Someone at Transarc dare to answer ?

	Chris



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I just spent some time digging into the AFS sources.

You probably haven't seen my osi_alloc/free problem if you haven't tried
building ATK with AFS3.2beta.

I have noticed that Transarc seems to have rewritten the rx library so
that they now use the osi_alloc and osi_free routines. 

I think the mistake they (sorry Transarc for 3:rd person here) did was
to integrate these routines into xdr.o rather than giving them a
separate module (osi.o), because if it were that way, it would still be
possible to rip out xdr.o from librx.a, compile ATK using the standard
xdr.o (in libc.a), and then putting xdr.o back again. 
As things are now, this is impossible without compiling librx.a from
source (if you're lucky enough to have it) after first splitting xdr.c
into xdr.c and osi.c, and only including osi.o into the library used for
ATK builds.

A nicer solution, though, would be to leave out xdr.o (the "core" part,
not osi_ routines) completely from librx.a, and create libxdr.a
containing only xdr.o. That would make life easier for those who want to
build anything with rx on a system that have the xdr routines in libc.a. 

However, Transarc isn't the only part to blame here. DEC also seems to
have added new routines into xdr.o, and I also think those who wrote the
linker could have provided an option to disregard multiple definitions,
just picking the first one and issuing a warning. As things are now, the
linker exits with an error code, and the status of what the linker
produced is unknown.

Comments anyone ?

	Chris.
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>I would like some information about your text editor/processor called
>`EZ'.  I have heard that it is close to WYSIWIG and would like to 
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ATK bravely faces the reality that WYS is rarely WYG, and instead claims to be
WYSLRN -- What You See Looks Really Neat.

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One thing I've been looking for for quite a while is a way to configure
ATK to get the same behavior as the Macintosh when typing text while a
region is selected, i.e. the typed text replaces the selection instead
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Hi,


There a ness function in \italic{/?/andrew/lib/ness/xwipe.n} that should 
replace a selection when you press the backspace. To use it, you must place 
the following lines in your .atkinit:


load ness

call ness-load /?/andrew/lib/ness/xwipe.n


It should be easy to extend that behaviour to erasing the selection when you 
press any key (perhaps: on keys "any").


There is only one problem: It doesn't work for me. I don't know why, and I 
haven't looked into it, since I just wrote my first few ness lines.


This isn't much help, but there is were you could look.


Good luck,


Harco de Hilster

University of Nijmegen

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Subject: Andrew Toolkit Technical Conference

The Andrew Toolkit Consortium is pleased to invite you to the

		Andrew Technical Conference 
and the
		Consortium Annual Meeting 

To be held
		June 25 and 26, 1992 
at  
		Carnegie Mellon University
		Pittsburgh, PA.  


Wednesday, June 24
	Check in:  After 4:00 

Thursday, June 25
	Tutorial "Creating ATK insets":  9 - 5
	Check in:  After 4:00 
	Conference Dinner:  6:30
	Annual meeting: 8:00

Friday, June 26
	Technical conference:  9 - 2
	Check out by 12:00 

 
Contact Susan Straub (susan+@andrew.cmu.edu or 412-268-6710) for
reservations and arrangements.  

	
Tutorial fee (includes lunch and tutorial materials):  $100
Conference fee (includes proceedings, conference dinner, and conference
lunch): $100
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Housing is tight in Pittsburgh during the time of the conference,  so
please register as soon as possible.  If you have other housing
arrangments, walk-in registration to the conference will be accepted.

_________________________________________________________________

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Date: 25 May 92 14:55:20 GMT
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Hi here is still Alberto Meroni. As I said before I solved the
problem with compilation, my machine clock was one year off !!
Now I recompiled andrew 5.1 on decstation 5200 ultrix 4.2 X11R5
and help still does not work.
Any help ?
P.S. I wrote to Susan as she asked but I do not receive still the
mailing
list.
P.S. 2 Is cdrom not available on emsworth ?
Thak you very much and sorry to annoy you.
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Subject: .MS.ToPrint file

Selecting print from the menus in messages won't spool my
message to a printer.  It only creates a file called .MS.ToPrint
in my home directory.  What resource am I missing?

There has to be a simple answer.  I've already spent _WAY_ to long
trying to figure out why messages won't print directly to our
printers.  Ez / ezprint work fine.  I've tried to track this down in
the source code.  Bad idea.  We use the standard BSD printing 
mechanism.

Here are copies of my preferences and /usr/andrew/etc/AndrewSetup
files.

preferences:
messages.BinaryOptions:0x6ff41859/0x7ffc9859, 0x89c27/0xa9c77
messages.FolderPixels:110
messages.HeadBodySplit:76
messages.CheckpointDir:/tmp
messages.CrucialClasses:     Competition, Good_stuff, Frame,
Mtng_Minutes, GoodTips
messages.crucialclasses:
messages.KeyHeaders:     
messages.CheckpointFrequency:0
messages.MaxClassMenu:10
messages.SurrogateHelpFile:  /u/kriso/todo
messages.BackgroundColor: lightgray
messages.ForegroundColor: navy
messages-send.geometry: 500x500
TurnOffCheckPointingAndIUnderstandTheDangersForMessages: yes
layout.BodyFont: Andy10
#print.BodyFont: Andy12
#*printertype: ps
*.formatcommand: groff -pte -Tps -E /tmp/%s.n |
*.PrintCommand: lpr 
*.previewcommand: groff -pte -Tps -E /tmp/%s.n > /tmp/%s.ps; ghostview
/tmp/%s.ps

/usr/andrew/etc/AndrewSetup
MessagesAutoBugAddress: kriso
AMS_UsersAreGrownups: yes
AMS_ValidateDestHosts:  no
ThisDomain: ncd.com
AMS_ThisDomainAuthFromWS: yes
AMS_AliasesValidation: yes
AMS_GecosHacks: no
AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail/
AMS_UUCPSupported: yes
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NNTPhost: bryant


-Kris Olander
 NCD - Network Computing Devices
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\quotation{Selecting print from the menus in messages won't spool my

}\quotation{message to a printer.  It only creates a file called .MS.ToPrint

}\quotation{in my home directory.  What resource am I missing?

}
You need to either 1) use \bold{\italic{Set Printer}} in messages or 2) define 
a default printer in you preferences (or AndrewSetup) file:


In preferences:


\leftindent{\bold{print.printer:} \italic{\bold{printername}}

\leftindent{This entry specifies the name of the printer where your print jobs 
will be sent.  You can override this preference for a particular print request 
using the -P option in ezprint.  See the\italic{  ezprint  }help document for 
details.}

}
In AndrewSetup:


\leftindent{\bold{\italic{Printer:string}

}\leftindent{Default: lpr 

The default spool path and directory within that spoolpath.  If the variable 
"PRINTER" is defined in the user's environment, the software will use this as 
the PRINTER.  This is only used by the ATK print module to determine the 
PRINTERTYPE, as above.  The PRINTCOMMAND  is responsible for the actual 
spooling. }

}
... or 3) set your PRINTER environment variable to the name of the printer you 
want to use.


Note that the message server doesn't immediately print the message.  From 
prefs.help (help preferences):


\leftindent{\bold{AlwaysPrintImmediately:\italic{ no}}

\leftindent{Controls whether print requests from within Messages are sent to 
the printer as soon as possible.  The default is setting of "no" means that 
the Message System program waits until you quit it before printing any 
messages, putting them all together in one print job, and giving you only one 
header page.  A setting of "yes" means each message is sent as soon as 
possible after you choose to print it, giving you a header page for each.  

}\leftindent{
}\bold{DelayPrinting:\italic{ no}}

\leftindent{Controls when your message printing requests get sent to a 
printer.  With a "no" setting, Messages waits until it thinks your machine 
load is "light" before printing messages.  With a "yes" setting, the message 
program you are running will never print the messages you want printed until 
you quit the program.  With the option set to "yes," you can force a print at 
any time while you are using the program by moving into the typescript and 
typing 


\leftindent{cui quit}


(which starts and quits CUI, forcing the pending prints to go out).}

}
Gary Keim

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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In article <se7zQ2cD15Ww0REEA0@hplrmj> robin@HPLRMJ.HPL.HP.COM ("Robin  
Jeffries  ", jeffries@hpl.hp.com) writes:
[ATK *applications* should have an external interface to open new  
invocations within a single process. Like emacsclient for example, or the  
core Apple Events on the Macintosh.]

The hack to do this is to write a shell script that ships X events to the  
application. You need a small program that finds the right X window and then  
uses the send even X call to fake something like  
"^X^V/absolute/pathname/of/file\n" based on its command line arguments. I  
think there even is a program you can use to find the ez window. (xwininfo?)

The correct approach is to extend the application class to deal with  
"application events" such as "open file" and "quit". You then need to add a  
communication mechanism for such events and a client program to send them.  
The two choices I see for a communication mechanism are X events and TCP  
sockets. You'll also need some sort of "name binding" so the client program  
can find ez or messages. The emacsclient program requires the user to record  
the name binding (a UNIX port name) in an environment variable. The NeXT and  
Macintosh platforms have more sophisticated name binding mechanisms. I  
expect the best bet is to use X11 atoms for name binding in the X world.  
(I.e. have the application toss its window ID in a cannonically named atom  
on the root window.)
--
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From: Dave Edmondson <davided@sco.COM>


# The correct approach is to extend the application class to deal with  
# "application events" such as "open file" and "quit". You then need to add a  
# communication mechanism for such events and a client program to send them.  
# The two choices I see for a communication mechanism are X events and TCP  
# sockets. You'll also need some sort of "name binding" so the client program  
# can find ez or messages. The emacsclient program requires the user to record  
# the name binding (a UNIX port name) in an environment variable. The NeXT and  
# Macintosh platforms have more sophisticated name binding mechanisms. I  
# expect the best bet is to use X11 atoms for name binding in the X world.  
# (I.e. have the application toss its window ID in a cannonically named atom  
# on the root window.)

doesn't tk (tcl widget stuff) already have this type of facility with
the `send' operator ?  that uses properties on the root window of an X
server.  the mechanism works well in the examples that i have seen.

dave.
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           Dave Edmondson, Santa Cruz Operation, davided@sco.com
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Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 26-May-92 Re: how to connect to an
al.. Zalman Stern@RCHGATE.rch (1538)

> The correct approach is to extend the application class to deal with
> "application events" such as "open file" and "quit". You then need to add a
communication mechanism for such events and a client program to send them.

This is exactly what you get with Softbench...except it also works with
a lot of other non-ATK applications that you get with Softbench.

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From: sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!henry!mathew@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Mathew Yeates)
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Can anyone help me out with this? I've been trying for the last 3
days to print ATK documents. Specifically, the Adew tutorial document.
We have the old troff giving CAT output. This is for a Sun Sparc2.

Attempts-
groff: attempted build of gcc but the  version I tried to install
caused a core dump during installation. So I moved on to gcc-2.1
which makes g++ automatically. But this would not compile groff.

psroff: Got and installed psroff which also required installing
a new version of perl. Despite every conceivable mixture of
options and filters I still cannot get it to work.

Does anyone out there use psroff with troff to print ATK documents?
Or is ditroff a requirement for Andrew? I would like to know
the correct setup for psroff to work.

Any help appreciated.

-Mathew
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[Re: Mentions of TCL and SoftBench application event communication stuff.]

If there is already a "standard" "high-level" event mechanism in the X11  
universe, all the better. ATK should support it. Of course, someone still  
has to write the code. (I don't have an X11 machine anymore so I'm not very  
up to date on this stuff.)
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I'm on a Sun Sparc2 and were running NewsPrint and I can't get
the ATK documents to print. Specifically, if I try 
ezprint Tutorial.doc -t |troff -t| pl :opost
in the ADEW doc dir, the figure won't print.

If not NewsPrint, then how bout TranScript. What are the options
to ptroff.
ezprint Tutorial.doc -t|ptroff -t |lpr 
still doesnt work.

Help!

-Mathew
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In article <mathew.706950305@henry>, mathew@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mathew Yeates) writes:
! I'm on a Sun Sparc2 and were running NewsPrint and I can't get
! the ATK documents to print. Specifically, if I try 
! ezprint Tutorial.doc -t |troff -t| pl :opost
! in the ADEW doc dir, the figure won't print.
! 
! If not NewsPrint, then how bout TranScript. What are the options
! to ptroff.
! ezprint Tutorial.doc -t|ptroff -t |lpr 
! still doesnt work.

How about groff ? It is PD and works without a hitch.

FormatCommand: cat /tmp/%s.n  |
printCommand:( groff -e \>\! /tmp/%s.ps);lp  /tmp
/%s.ps

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University of Ottawa                problems: kedem@aix1.uottawa.ca
Electrical Engineering, MCRlab


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