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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 28-Feb-92 Re: Messages dosen't work 
Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (90*)}


\quotation{Executing: metamail -m messages -z -x -d -q /tmp/AdgVjXRn1U00EEO0sF 
2>&1

}
\quotation{--- Command execution terminated ---

}
What's this ?


Just curious,


	J\^{|}rgen


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
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attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
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attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
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attr:['color' 'Green']}
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menu:[Color,Blue]
attr:['color' 'Blue']}
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menu:[Color,Magenta]
attr:['color' 'Magenta']}
\define{cyan
menu:[Color,Cyan]
attr:['color' 'Cyan']}
\define{yellow
menu:[Color,Yellow]
attr:['color' 'Yellow']}
What you're seeing is the effect of receiving mail in MIME format (the new 
proposed internet standard format for multimedia mail).  Messages 7.15 tries 
to display such mail using the metamail program, which is available freely 
from Bellcore.  If metamail is not installed at your site, you get the 
behavior you describe.


For information on metamail, I append my first public announcement of metamail 
to the net world.  If you pick up metamail, be sure to join the info-metamail 
mailing list, so that you hear about the second and much enhanced release of 
metamail, coming VERY soon...


By the way, the next Andrew release -- the famed CD ROM release -- will 
include version 8.5 (or later) of Messages, which has \italic{integrated} 
support for both reading and sending mail in MIME format.  It actually uses 
metamail \italic{less} than 7.15, because it understands how to handle a lot 
of the MIME types in an integrated fashion.  But even with 8.5, you'll still 
need metamail to display the MIME types that Andrew doesn't understand, of 
which there will always be some because the set of MIME types is so 
extensible.    Metamail will also itself be included as part of the next 
Andrew distribution, thus making things a tad less complicated for Andrew 
users.  But users of Messages 7.15 might want to pick up metamail in advance 
of that upgrade.  -- Nathaniel

----------------------------------------------------------------

\smaller{On behalf of Bellcore, I am happy to announce the availability of the 
"metamail" software to the email community.  This package, which is available 
free of charge for unlimited use by anyone for any purpose, is offered in the 
hope of making multimedia mail more widespread.


					OVERVIEW


The basic idea of "multimedia" electronic mail is to extend email as we now 
know it to include many other types of data beyond plain English text.  In 
particular, there is no reason, in principle, why email should not include 
text in any of the world's languages and character sets, nor why email should 
not include pictures, sounds, animations, active spreadsheets, or any other 
kind of data that can be stored on a computer.


In recent years, various research systems and even some commercial products 
have extended email to include some or all of these capabilities.  Until 
recently, however, none of them worked together, and all of them required 
whole communities of users to abandon their old tools en masse in favor of the 
new tools of a single software vendor.


Recent developments have the promise of changing all of that.  There is a new 
proposed standard for the format of multimedia mail, which would make software 
from different vendors able to work together smoothly with multimedia mail, as 
they do now with plain text mail.  The software being announced here 
implements that proposed standard, but takes it a step further by 
incorporating it into the existing tools with which people read mail today, 
allowing multimedia mail to be adopted in an evolutionary rather than a 
revolutionary fashion.


					DETAILS


Metamail is a package that can be used to convert virtually ANY mail-reading 
program on UNIX into a multimedia mail-reading program.  It is an extermely 
generic implementation of MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions), the 
proposed standard for multimedia mail formats on the Internet.   The 
implementation is extremely flexible and extensible, using a "mailcap" file 
mechanism for adding support for new data formats when sent through the mail. 
 At a heterogeneous site where many mail readers are in use, the mailcap 
mechanism can be used to extend them all to support new types of multimedia 
mail by a single addition to a mailcap file.


The core of the package is a mechanism that allows the easy configuration of 
mail readers to call external "viewers" for different types of mail.  However, 
beyond this core mechanism, the distribution includes viewers for a number of 
mail types defined by the MIME standard, so that it is useful immediately and 
without any special site-specific customization or extension.  Types with 
built-in support in the metamail distribution include:


	1.  Plain US ASCII (i.e., English) text, of course.

	2.  Plain text in the ISO-8859-8 (Hebrew/English) character set.  

	3.  Richtext (multifont formatted text, termcap-oriented viewer)

	4.  Image formats (using the xloadimage program under X11)

	5.  Audio (initial "viewer" for SPARCstations)

	6.  Multipart mail, combining several other types

	7.  Multipart/alternative mail, offering data in multiple formats.

	8.  Encapsulated messages 

	9.  Partial & external messages (for large data objects)

	10.  Arbitrary (untyped) binary data 


Other media types and character sets may be easily supported with the mailcap 
mechanism, using the provided types as examples/templates.  The metamail 
software also provides rudimentary support for the use of non-ASCII characters 
in certain mail headers, as described by a companion document to the proposed 
MIME standard.


The metamail distribution comes complete with a small patch for each of over a 
dozen popular mail reading programs, including Berkeley mail, mh, Elm, Xmh, 
Xmail, Mailtool, Emacs Rmail, Emacs VM, Andrew, and others.    Crafting a 
patch for additional mail readers is relatively straightforward.


In order to build the metamail software, a single "make" command followed by a 
relatively short compilation will suffice.  Patching your mail reader is 
somewhat harder, but can usually be accomplished in less than an hour if you 
have the sources at hand.  The experience of beta testers is that the metamail 
package can easily be used to get multimedia mail working with your existing 
mail readers in less than half a day.


					AVAILABILITY


To retrieve the file, use anonymous ftp to the machine thumper.bellcore.com 
(Internet address 128.96.41.1).  Type "cd pub/nsb".  In that directory, you 
will find:


1.  mm.tar.Z -- this is a compressed tar file containing the entire metamail 
distribution.  Uncompress it, untar it, and read the top-level "README" file 
for further instructions.  Strictly speaking, this is the only thing you 
really need to retrieve.


2.  A subdirectory called "samples".  Except for the README file, each file in 
this directory is a sample MIME-format message, which can be used to test your 
metamail installation.  There is also now a compressed tar file of this 
directory, called "samples.tar.Z".


3.  BodyFormats.\{ps,txt,ex\} -- a copy (in PostScript/text/Andrew format) of 
the latest draft of the MIME proposed standard.    This document is also 
available as an Internet Draft.


4.  Configuration.\{ps,txt,ex\} -- a copy (in PostScript/text/Andrew format) 
of the latest draft of the Internet informational RFC describing the mailcap 
file format.  This document is also available as an Internet Draft.


A new mailing list has been set up for disucssion of the metamail software and 
related issues.  The mailing list is INFO-METAMAIL@thumper.bellcore.com. 
 Requests to join the list should be directed to 
INFO-METAMAIL-REQUEST@thumper.bellcore.com.


Please feel free to recirculate this announcement as widely as possible.

		-- Nathaniel S. Borenstein <nsb@bellcore.com>

		   Member of Technical Staff, Bellcore

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\quotation{Could someone please tell me how to insert text into a reply to a

}\quotation{message after excerpting  the body of the message, without it 
appearing

}
this is plain


\quotation{with the same italicized font ? }


In addition to selecting  "plainest" from the menu, you can use the new key 
bindings.  I did the above insertion by typing ESC-" ESC-p and then the text I 
wanted.  (On RT's, ESC can be gotten by holding down the "Alt" key.)


Fred Hansen

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My advice would be to apply the patch to xgraphic that I posted last
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preferences file, then add "*.MimicOldScrollbar: true".  The scrollbars
on the monochrome screen should then look just like they used to look.

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I've three questions concerning the ATK. We have only installed the ATK
because we only want to use this component of the Andrew System. Our
Installation is based on the /contrib of the X11R4 distribution and the
ATK reports an `ATK 15.5` on every startup.

1) Within discussions on this list 'Version 5.0.0' has been mentioned a few
   times. Where can I get this new Version of Andrew (or only the ATK) and
   does it incorporate Motif support? We don't have the X11R5 distribution
   and I think we will use R4 for some more months.

2) The ATK Menu mechanisms are a subset of the Motif capabilities. We have
   an application which is designed to offer cascading menus, i.e. pulldown
   menus generated by selecting menu items. Andrew's popup menus do not
   offer such sub-menus. Is there any way to use cascading menus, maybe
   using the Motif-based Andrew? Otherwise we have to redesign our user
   interface, what we really don't like to do.

3) I tried using ATK applications with MacX and it worked fine, but I found
   no way to get the fonts right. The Andrew fonts come in fdb and snf formats,
   MacX wants them to be in bdf format. Is there a way to convert the Andrew
   fonts to bdf format?

I appreciate any answer to these questions, especially number one and two.
Thanks in advance,

Erik Wilde
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zuerich)
Institut fuer Technische Informatik und Kommunikationssysteme (TIK)
ETH-Zentrum, Haldeneggsteig 4, IFW C27.1, CH - 8092 Zuerich
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Mar-92 ATK Questions Erik 
Wilde@komsys.tik.et (1573)}


\quotation{1) Within discussions on this list 'Version 5.0.0' has been 
mentioned a few

}\quotation{   times. Where can I get this new Version of Andrew (or only the 
ATK) and

}\quotation{   does it incorporate Motif support? We don't have the X11R5 
distribution

}\quotation{   and I think we will use R4 for some more months.

}
The version of ATK on the X11R5 release will also build against X11R4.  Yes, 
there is some MOTIF emulation in this release.  You can pick up ATK5.0 from 
the anon-ftp host emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) in the ./split 
directory.  You can also get it from the normal X distribution sites and even 
on some CDROM's that are available:


Prime Time Freeware

415-112 N. Mary, #50

Sunnyvale, CA 94086


In the future we will be releasing a CDROM containing source & binaries for 
popular platforms.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Mar-92 ATK Questions Erik 
Wilde@komsys.tik.et (1573)}


\quotation{2) The ATK Menu mechanisms are a subset of the Motif capabilities. 
We have

}\quotation{   an application which is designed to offer cascading menus, i.e. 
pulldown

}\quotation{   menus generated by selecting menu items. Andrew's popup menus 
do not

}\quotation{   offer such sub-menus. Is there any way to use cascading menus, 
maybe

}\quotation{   using the Motif-based Andrew? Otherwise we have to redesign our 
user

}\quotation{   interface, what we really don't like to do.

}
We can talk about this after you see the newest release.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 3-Mar-92 ATK Questions Erik 
Wilde@komsys.tik.et (1573)}


\quotation{3) I tried using ATK applications with MacX and it worked fine, but 
I found

}\quotation{   no way to get the fonts right. The Andrew fonts come in fdb and 
snf formats,

}\quotation{   MacX wants them to be in bdf format. Is there a way to convert 
the Andrew

}\quotation{   fonts to bdf format?

}
Along the way to snf, the Andrew fonts get temporarily converted into bdf. 
 The distribution comes with a conversion tool, fdbbdf.  That can be found in 
andrew/overhead/fonts/cmd/fdbbdf.c.


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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> 2) The ATK Menu mechanisms are a subset of the Motif capabilities. We
> have  an application which is designed to offer cascading menus, i.e.
> pulldown   menus generated by selecting menu items. Andrew's popup menus
> do not offer such sub-menus. Is there any way to use cascading menus,
> maybe  using the Motif-based Andrew? Otherwise we have to redesign our
> user  interface, what we really don't like to do.

> 3) I tried using ATK applications with MacX and it worked fine, but I
> found no way to get the fonts right. The Andrew fonts come in fdb and
> snf formats, MacX wants them to be in bdf format. Is there a way to
> convert the Andrew fonts to bdf format?

2)  We wrote our own "Motifish" menubar, and in the latest release (ATK
5.0.0) we added scrollbars and dialog boxes which look "Motifish." 
There are currently no plans to provide cascading menus, or a
Motif-based version of ATK.

3) In the latest release there is a configuration option called
FONTS_TO_BDF_ENV which will install the fonts as BDF instead of snf or
pcf.

-Rob Ryan
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p.s.  We will send you more information on getting the latest release.
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I'm surprised you had line-wrapping problems.  I seem to be able just to
select the patch, cut, paste it into an empty EZ buffer, and save the
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Be that as it may, I've put the patches in the file
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case anyone wants to get them via FTP.

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I have previously built andrew without any trouble. I decided to add
some more components, specifically:

#define MK_AUTHORING
#define MK_AUX_UTILS
#define MK_AUX_INSETS

It gets most of the way through the build and hangs at:

Checking Destination Directories....
Making directory /usr/local/andrew/doc/atk/ness
(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR;   CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=;   /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessauth.d)
Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
Compile okay.  Elapsed time is 773 msec.
present: nessauth.d -> nessauth.doc
Execution okay.  Elapsed time is 676 msec.
(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR;   CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=;   /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessfunc.d)
Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
Compile okay.  Elapsed time is 406 msec.
present: nessfunc.d -> nessfunc.doc
Execution okay.  Elapsed time is 867 msec.
(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR;   CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=;   /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nesshack.d)
Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
Compile okay.  Elapsed time is 410 msec.
present: nesshack.d -> nesshack.doc
Execution okay.  Elapsed time is 347 msec.
(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR;   CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=;   /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessman.d)
Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
*** Termination code 9

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

It had been running all night long. I started it around 11:30 p.m. and
killed it at 8:30 a.m. 

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

-- 
Eric M. Boehm
boehme@unvax.Union.EDU
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I am trying to install Andrew here at Purdue.
(actually just installing a newer version)
I have run into a problem, and was wondering
if I could get some info to fix this problem.
I have used the imakefile to make all of the
makefiles.  I then tried to use "make dependInstall"
to install the new version: however, I ran across
some "include" problems.  The first error was
with the file alquery.c: it needs acl.h.
There were seven other files ( dot.h ) that it
could not find. They were:
prclient.h
prerror.h
venus.h
cellconfig.h
print.h
prs.fg.h
param.h
I stoped the compile attempt here, so there may
be more that it could not find.  I have looked
throught the entire system that I am currently
on ( a sun os 4.1 ) and could not find prclient.h,
so I assume that these are not system include files,
but rather that they are andrew specific include files.
So I went through the old andrew include directory, 
and could not find it there either.  Did I miss
a configuration?  Am I missing some files when I
got the source. ( got it from mit ftp anon )?

-- Thanks for any help

-- Mike Robb 

Please email any help directly to me:	-thanks
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building andrew on.. Eric M. Boehm@uunet.uu.n (1909)}


\quotation{(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; 
  CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=; 
  /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nesshack.d)

}\quotation{Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

}\quotation{Compile okay.  Elapsed time is 410 msec.

}\quotation{present: nesshack.d -> nesshack.doc

}\quotation{Execution okay.  Elapsed time is 347 msec.

}\quotation{(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; 
  CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=; 
  /usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessman.d)

}\quotation{Starting nessrun (Version 1.5, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

}\quotation{*** Termination code 9

}
\quotation{Stop.

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}
At this point it is recompiling present.n for the fourth time.  Since the 
first three compiled without error, my best guess is that you ran out of some 
resource; but it is hard to see what that might have been.


Can you try running the command by hand and let me know what happens:


(ANDREWDIR=/usr/local/andrew; export ANDREWDIR; 
CLASSPATH=/usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk; export CLASSPATH;   WMHOST=; 
/usr/local/andrew/bin/nessrun present.n nessman.d)



Since much of the system will have been built, trying the make again will be 
speedier than the original and may work.


Has anyone else had this problem?


Fred Hansen\
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\quotation{Andrew programs run fine on DECstations equipped with standard 
monochrome/color graphics hardware, but on machines using high-resolution TX 
graphics hardware, Andrew applications dump core upon startup.


}The latest patches for atk/basics/x/xgraphic.\{c,ch\} correct this problem.


Bob

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\quotation{The first error was

}\quotation{with the file alquery.c: it needs acl.h.

}\quotation{There were seven other files ( dot.h ) that it

}\quotation{could not find. They were:

}\quotation{prclient.h

}\quotation{prerror.h

}\quotation{venus.h

}

These include files come from AFS.  Do you have AFS at Purdue?  If so, where 
is it installed?  If you don't have AFS, you should remove the line in your 
site.h file that goes:


#define AFS_ENV 1


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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Regarding a build of ATK on DS5000/Ultrix 4.2 hanging during the processing of 
nessman.d


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 4-Mar-92 Re: 
Problems building andre.. Fred Hansen (1355+0)}


\quotation{At this point it is recompiling present.n for the fourth time. 
 Since the first three compiled without error, my best guess is that you ran 
out of some resource; but it is hard to see what that might have been.

}
I experienced the same problem, on the same platform (a DS3100), so it appears 
to be a DECstation specific thing, probably not a resource problem. I 
continued the build by skipping the rest of the Ness processing. But the same 
thing happened consistently, through three or four separate builds on the 
DECstation.


Stephan Greene

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\quotation{I experienced the same problem, on the same platform (a DS3100), so 
it appears to be a DECstation specific thing, probably not a resource problem. 
I continued the build by skipping the rest of the Ness processing. But the 
same thing happened consistently, through three or four separate builds on the 
DECstation.

}
Mystery!  Can anyone help?


Good news: running present.n is not essential.  You can modify the Imakefile 
or Makefile in atk/ness/doc to replace

	$(DESTDIR)/bin/nessrun present.n $*.d

with 

	cp $*.d $*.doc

Your ness documents will have some commentary that those of others will not. 
 Enjoy.


Hope this helps, 

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Excerpts from direct: 4-Mar-92 Re: more on Andrew R5 Scott
Minneman@parc.xero (810+0)

> Bill-

> The R5 Messages program only allows one message composition window to be
> open at a time and blows away the parent mail reader when you select
> quit from a child sender.  Sigh.  These are nasty problems that I
> thought had been fixed in the actual release; if not, what are the odds
> that we can reapply these fixes?

> Due to my deeply ingrained (and possibly brain-damaged) ways of working,
> I've already created enough trouble for myself with this new version
> that I'd happily retreat to a program that behaves the way I expect. 
> Have you seen any reports of problems in going back down to the old
> version?

> Argh.  I've been trying to fix as many of these problems as I can by
> removing items from menus and setting preferences, but there are some
> difficulties for which this technique fails miserably.

> -slm

Scott,

The last time I made those local patches, it caused quite a bit of grief
when patches to messages (often quite extensive) came out.  In
conversations with the Andrew folk, it seems that they do not quite
regard either of those two pieces of behavior as bugs (though I agree
completely with you).  Of course, you can workaround the first problem
by using "sendmessage" from a typescript or background menu, and the
second by always using "Delete Window" rather than "Quit" (a
particularly brain-damaged workaround, I always thought).

I'm CC'ing this message to the Andrew list.  Perhaps someone else has an
idea.  I think the party line around here at the moment is that you
should look into switching from messages to a commercially supported
multi-format mail reader, such as Poste or ZMail.  Perhaps our
Infrastructure Coordinator could provide a pointer?

Bill
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\quotation{The new MIME'd Messages doesn't do what it says it does:  i.e., 
when   sending ATK-formatted mail in MIME-format, it's supposed to be 
Content-type:    multipart, with the plain text version (hopefully 
'unscribed'!) first,   followed by the ATK version in MIME-format.  

}
\quotation{Instead, it just sends out the mail in Content-type:  text/richtext 
  format.  Bluk!  

}
Where does it say it's supposed to do this?  I had originally planned to do it 
that way, but the atk-to-richtext stuff works well enough that I decided it 
was a silly waste of bandwidth.  If there's something that says it works that 
way, it's the documentation that's wrong.  -- NB

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\quotation{There are a *lot* of  user interface changes to messages.  Do we 
have an   option that allows users to ignore the new stuff?   

}
If you always use the "atk" format, then MOST of the changes go away.  Which 
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\quotation{In

}\quotation{conversations with the Andrew folk, it seems that they do not 
quite

}\quotation{regard either of those two pieces of behavior as bugs (though I 
agree

}\quotation{completely with you).  Of course, you can workaround the first 
problem

}\quotation{by using "sendmessage" from a typescript or background menu, and 
the

}\quotation{second by always using "Delete Window" rather than "Quit" (a

}\quotation{particularly brain-damaged workaround, I always thought).

}
Actually, having sendmessage in a seperate process will solve both problems. 
 You won't be able to \italic{Quit} the message reader accidentally and you 
can bring up more than one instance of 
sendmessage\footnote{\
\begindata{fnote,539046408}
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you can do this without resorting to seperate processes\
\enddata{fnote,539046408}
\view{fnotev,539046408,0,0,0}}.  To avoid being able to start up a sendmessage 
window from your message reader, add the following lines to your .messagesinit 
file:


\leftindent{addmenu "" "Send/Post Message~51" messages

addmenu "" "Send/File Marked~26,Reply To Senders~40" messages

addmenu "" "Send/File Marked~26,Reply To All~42" messages

addmenu "" "Reply to Sender~31" messages

addmenu "" "Reply to Readers~32" messages

addmenu "" "Reply to Both~33" messages

addmenu "" "This Message~30,Forward To~11" messages

}
If you want to get rid of those pesky \italic{Delete Window} menu items, add 
this also:


\leftindent{addmenu "" "Delete Window~89" messages}


... and in .sendmessageinit:


\leftindent{addmenu "" "Delete Window~89" sendmessage}


The above completely seperates messages/sendmessage.  Problem: there are some 
nice features associated with having them both in the same process, like 
excerpting.  I would like to note that you can bring up multiple instances of 
a sendmessage window (^X2) and it works.  If your only problem is that you can 
accidentally kill off messages via sendmessage, just get rid of the 
sendmessage \italic{Quit} menu:


% cat .sendmessageinit

addmenu "" "Quit~99" sendmessage


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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I hate to say it, but something went seriously wrong when I applied this patch.

The monochrome handling of colour was definitely fixed; strange shadings
appeared where none had gone before.

However, with the new version, the fonts go wrong.

On an NCD 100dpi (at least, fontwise) monochrome X-Terminal (X11r4),
everything works fine until the patches are applied. After that, some
characters are displayed incorrectly.  Characters such as 'W' and the
tick mark in messages are displayed one character too far too the right,
and other characters are then overwritten on top of them.
[ATK is running off a Solbourne running SunOS4.0 equivalent]

This does not happen on and NCD 75dpi color screen.

I have no idea why changing the color code should cause this effect, but
it certainly seems to be causing some weirdness.

Nick.
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\quotation{I hate to say it, but something went seriously wrong when I applied 
this patch.

}
I don't think that the patch Bill posted is responsible for this beahavior. 
 My reason: the 'M' in my \italic{More} menucard on my HP720 "Snake" is kinda 
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It's kinda hard to tell from this dithered xwd, but the M is strange-- it 
looks like a lot of white lines, one on top of the other.  Is this what you 
see?


Gary Keim

ATK Consortium

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Gary-

I appreciate your speedy reply, but it's kind of a joke, right?  

Your suggestion, that I remove all of the menu options that launch
sendmessage processes completely disables doing replies to existing
messages, yes?  That couldn't be further from what I want.  The problem
here is not that I, or the other Andrew users at this site, carelessly
leave sendmessage windows lying about, it's that we'd like to be able to
be composing replies to several messages at the same time.  For example,
say that I get a message that merit a reply that may take me several
hours to compose; as I'm doing that, another message arrives that I can
(and need to) whip off a one-sentence reply to.  The current makeup of
the system precludes this (unless I want to sacrifice the benefits of
message addressing, automatic subject lines and the like).

I don't know why the fix that was applied here at PARC (and I believe
Bill submitted it to the Andrew maintainers), where multiple reply
windows may be open simultaneously, is thought to be anything less that
the obvious way that this aspect of the mail system should be
implemented.  There may be some underlying model of how people use
mailers operating here, but it's not a model that reflects what the
people I know actually do.

Anyway, I just thought I'd throw in a bit of additional explanation here
and point out that this work-around is hardly a solution.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to out earlier message.

Scott Minneman
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Mar-92 Re: Messages bugs Scott 
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\quotation{I appreciate your speedy reply, but it's kind of a joke, right?  

}
No joke at all--  a misunderstanding of what your problem really is.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 4-Mar-92 Re: Messages bugs Scott 
Minneman@parc.xero (1488)}


\quotation{The problem

}\quotation{here is not that I, or the other Andrew users at this site, 
carelessly

}\quotation{leave sendmessage windows lying about, it's that we'd like to be 
able to

}\quotation{be composing replies to several messages at the same time.  For 
example,

}\quotation{say that I get a message that merit a reply that may take me 
several

}\quotation{hours to compose; as I'm doing that, another message arrives that 
I can

}\quotation{(and need to) whip off a one-sentence reply to.  The current 
makeup of

}\quotation{the system precludes this (unless I want to sacrifice the benefits 
of

}\quotation{message addressing, automatic subject lines and the like).

}
You're right that messages doesn't let you bring up another sendmessage window 
when you're composing in another.  This is limiting and I don't know why it 
was done that way.  The solutions I use in lieu of the correct functionality 
are:


\leftindent{1) \italic{Save Draft} menu option on sendmessage \italic{Other} 
menucard


2) ^X2 which bring up another sendmessage window, but doesn't allow automatic 
Reply To behavior.  I use Cut&Paste for this workaround}


I agree with you and Bill.  Messages should allow multiple instances of the 
sendmessage window.  If you guys have a patch that makes this work, send it to 
me and I'll encorporate it into the sources.  Else, I look into what it takes 
to get this done 
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Taking the \italic{Quit} option off your sendmessage menu (via .messagesinit 
so that it doesn't affect your standalone sendmessage instances) is still 
useful for avoiding accidental termination of your messages process.  


Sorry for the misunderstanding,

-Gary

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Actually, athough I agree that there's lots of room for improvements,
there IS another way to do it & get multiple replies, though it is kind
of weird.

1.  Type ^X2 in the MESSAGES window.  (Gary mentioned doing this in the
sendmessage window, which then doesn't get you reply-to behavior.)

2.  Read the SECOND message you want to reply to in the NEW messages window.

3.  Reply to it from there.

Now you have two messages windows and two sendmessage windows, all in
one process, and tied together in pairs.  I think that comes closer to
what you asked for than the other workarounds that have been posted...
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The Andrew Toolkit Consortium is proud to announce the first issue of 
 \bold{"The ATK View"}, its quarterly newsletter.


To recieve your copy send a note to info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu.


Or you can retrieve it as papers/Newsletter.1Q.1992 from anonymous ftp to 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62).


Fred Hansen

Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium



_____________________________________


Contents:

_____________________________________


\heading{ 

Directions:  What is the Andrew Toolkit and what will it be?

	Wilfred J. Hansen, Director}

\heading{ 

Upcoming }

ATK Annual Meeting

	Tutorials: Thursday, June 25

	Annual Meeting: Evening of June 25

	Technical Conference: June 26

If you would like to 

	make a presentation at the technical meeting

	schedule attendees at the tutorials

please send mail to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu.


June 15-19 Xhibition, San Jose  (617 621-0600)

\heading{
Recent Accomplishments}

\bold{CD-rom}

\bold{rdemo}

\bold{Bibliography}

\bold{Recent AMS Changes}

\bold{Support for MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions)  Standard} 

\bold{\red{Color Template Bug Fix}}

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\bold{preferences editor }

\bold{macro-extensibility} 

\bold{Modula-3 }

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\bold{Image} 

\bold{Small data bases} 

\bold{REXX functions}

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Staff}

\bold{Fred Hansen}

\bold{Susan Straub}

\bold{Gary Keim}

\bold{Bob Glickstein}

\bold{Rob Ryan}

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Reader's Corner}

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I looked over the code again, and I don't think anything we changed
would cause this.

One interesting thing about Andrew is the way it uses the X protocol
request X_PolyText8, rather than the overwhelmingly more common
X_ImageText8 (xterm, xemacs, the Sun tools -- pretty much everything
that doesn't do formatted text, I suspect).  I've found a number of
servers that have bugs in their X_PolyText8 implementation which just
plain don't show up if people aren't using Andrew.  It's fairly simple
to write a small X test that puts up a window, then draws the same
string on it in two different locations using both X_ImageText8 and
X_PolyText8.  You might want to try it.

Bill
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The new patches for xgraphic.\{c,ch\} correct a lot of \italic{messages} 
problems, but unfortunately, I think they introduce a new bug when applied to 
the SparcStation platform.  


Since installing the patched xgraphic software on SparcStations running Sun OS 
4.1.1, we notice that selecting "delete  window" from a composition window 
will sometimes (often) crash the \italic{messages} program.


Bob\
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 5-Mar-92 Re: new xgraphic.c patch fo.. 
Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (380+0)}


\quotation{Since installing the patched xgraphic software on SparcStations 
running Sun OS 4.1.1, we notice that selecting "delete  window" from a 
composition window will sometimes (often) crash the \italic{messages} program.

}
I'll look into this immediately.


-Gary

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 5-Mar-92 Re: new xgraphic.c patch 
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\quotation{The new patches for xgraphic.\{c,ch\} correct a lot of 
\italic{messages} problems, but unfortunately, I think they introduce a new 
bug when applied to the SparcStation platform.  

}
\quotation{Since installing the patched xgraphic software on SparcStations 
running Sun OS 4.1.1, we notice that selecting "delete  window" from a 
composition window will sometimes (often) crash the \italic{messages} program.

}
Hmmm...  I haven't noticed this yet (just deleted 4 response windows :-), but 
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the xgraphic fix revealed some other bugs 
(the graphics code is riddled with the equivalent of NULL pointer 
dereferences).  I'd like to look at it -- could you be more specific about 
where and when this happens (whose/which X server you're running (MIT R4 or 
R5, Sun OW 2 or 3 beta or 3, some X terminal), color or b&w, etc.).  I've seen 
no problems of this sort running messages on a hi-res monochrome screen, using 
MIT X11 R5 & R4, on a Sparc 2 under SunOS 4.1.1.  No one here has reported any 
such problems either.


It would be really nice if you could run messages under gdb, and send a stack 
trace...


Bill

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We're running MIT X11R4 under Sun OS 4.1.1 on color Sparc 2's.

Since applying the xgraphic patches two days ago, several regular
messages users reported that messages sometimes crashes when "Delete
Window" is selected from a messages composition window.  I haven't been
able to reproduce the problem on demand, except under this
(suspiciously) specific scenario:

1)  compose a new message containing an X Window Dump raster inset
2) select "Negative" under the Raster Ops menu
2) select "Delete Window"

This sequence of actions crashes the patched version of messages, but
executes correctly in earlier versions.

Not to open a can of worms, but the reason we were selecting "Negative"
from Raster Ops is that messages *usually* transmits raster images as
the inverse video of that displayed in the composition window.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 5-Mar-92 Re: new xgraphic.c patch 
fo.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (380+0)}


\quotation{Since installing the patched xgraphic software on SparcStations 
running Sun OS 4.1.1, we notice that selecting "delete  window" from a 
composition window will sometimes (often) crash the \italic{messages} program.

}
I don't think this has anything to do with the patched xgraphic (except 
perhaps tangentially in that the patch makes Andrew R5 easy/pretty enough to 
use so that enough users use it to find this new bug... :-)  This appears to 
be a problem only under the following circumstances:  Bring up a reply window, 
insert an inset (zip or raster or whatever), do some work on the inset, and 
then delete the window, *leaving* the input focus on the inset.  You'll get 
the pop-up asking if you want to delete the unfinished message, and when you 
answer yes, messages will get a segmentation violation, apparently because the 
menulist updating code gets confused and starts working with bogus menulists. 
 Note that if you set the input focus back to the text part of the reply 
window before deleting the window, everything works just fine.


My guess would be that some of the new menu work introduced a race condition 
or bug, which is avoided by textview, but not by some of the other (less 
exercised) views, such as raster, in the order in which you must unlink menus 
or unlink views.  Here's the stack trace:


\example{(gdb) Starting program: /import/andrew-r5/bin/runapp -d msgsa -d

 msgsa: entry = 0xf76b03d0

Starting msgsa (Version 7.15, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...

 fileutils: entry = 0xf7690020

 s33utils: entry = 0xf7670020

 metax: entry = 0xf7650020

 linkutils: entry = 0xf7630020

 messwind: entry = 0xf7610354

 t822view: entry = 0xf75f0354

 amsutil: entry = 0xf75c0020

 messages: entry = 0xf7590354

 ams: entry = 0xf75701f4

 folders: entry = 0xf7540354

 captions: entry = 0xf7510354

 nbutterv: entry = 0xf74f0300

 amsn: entry = 0xf73a0300

 text822: entry = 0xf7360344

 sendmessage: entry = 0xf7330354

 raster: entry = 0xf7310354

 rasterview: entry = 0xf72d0354

 rasterimage: entry = 0xf72b0354

 pixelimage: entry = 0xf7290354

 xwdio: entry = 0xf7270020

 rasterio: entry = 0xf7250020


Program received signal 11, Segmentation fault

0xafb18 in CheckML (menulist=0x1dc038, class=0x13f688 "messages", inherit=1) 
at init.c:608

init.c:608: No such file or directory.

(gdb) bt

#0  0xafb18 in CheckML (menulist=0x1dc038, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:608

#1  0xafc3c in CheckML (menulist=0x217010, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:616

#2  0xafbcc in CheckML (menulist=0x21ce08, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:612

#3  0xafbcc in CheckML (menulist=0x1d4f48, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:612

#4  0xafd28 in init__ModifyMenulist (self=0x2190d8, menulist=0x1d4f48) at 
init.c:638

#5  0x80978 in xim__PostMenus (self=0x1d3240, menulist=0x0) at xim.c:2090

#6  0xae0a8 in im__UnlinkNotification (self=0x1d3240, unlinkedTree=0x1ce9a0) 
at im.c:3354

#7  0xbdd1c in view__UnlinkNotification (self=0x1d0a30, unlinkedTree=0x1ce9a0) 
at view.c:456

#8  0xbdcc8 in view__UnlinkTree (self=0x1ce9a0) at view.c:447

#9  0xf7330524 in end ()

#10 0x4b190 in lpair__SetNth (self=0x1d0a30, ai=0, x=0x0) at lpair.c:666

#11 0xf1bc in frame__SetView (self=0x1d0a30, view=0x0) at frame.c:527

#12 0xf73394b4 in end ()

#13 0xb2180 in keystate__DoProc (self=0x21b388, pe=0x222298, rock=0, 
object=0x1ce9a0)

    at keystate.c:156

#14 0xa8dbc in im__HandleMenu (self=0x1d3240, procTableEntry=0x222298, 
object=0x1ce9a0, rock=0)

    at im.c:1143

#15 0xab164 in ProcessInputQueue () at im.c:2022

#16 0xab260 in im__Interact (classID=0x0, mayBlock=1) at im.c:2054

#17 0xab80c in im__KeyboardProcessor (classID=0x1195d4) at im.c:2266

#18 0x9d10c in application__Run (self=0x139290) at app.c:340

#19 0x2b24 in main (argc=2, argv=0xf7fff264) at runapp.c:218

(gdb) shared

Symbols already loaded for /import-writable/andrew-r5/lib/libresolv.so.1.1

Symbols already loaded for /import-writable/andrew-r5/lib/libclass.so.1.0

Symbols already loaded for /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0

Symbols already loaded for /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/msgsa.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/local/dlib/atk/fileutils.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/local/dlib/atk/s33utils.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/metax.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/local/dlib/atk/linkutils.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/messwind.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/text822v.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/amsutil.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/messages.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/ams.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/folders.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/captions.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/nbutterv.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/amsn.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/text822.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/sendmsg.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/raster.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/rasterv.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/rastimg.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/pixelimg.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/xwdio.do...done.

Reading symbols from /import/andrew-r5/dlib/atk/rasterio.do...done.

(gdb) bt

#0  0xafb18 in CheckML (menulist=0x1dc038, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:608

#1  0xafc3c in CheckML (menulist=0x217010, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:616

#2  0xafbcc in CheckML (menulist=0x21ce08, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:612

#3  0xafbcc in CheckML (menulist=0x1d4f48, class=0x13f688 "messages", 
inherit=1) at init.c:612

#4  0xafd28 in init__ModifyMenulist (self=0x2190d8, menulist=0x1d4f48) at 
init.c:638

#5  0x80978 in xim__PostMenus (self=0x1d3240, menulist=0x0) at xim.c:2090

#6  0xae0a8 in im__UnlinkNotification (self=0x1d3240, unlinkedTree=0x1ce9a0) 
at im.c:3354

#7  0xbdd1c in view__UnlinkNotification (self=0x1d0a30, unlinkedTree=0x1ce9a0) 
at view.c:456

#8  0xbdcc8 in view__UnlinkTree (self=0x1ce9a0) at view.c:447

#9  0xf7330524 in sendmessage__UnlinkTree (self=0x1ce9a0) at sendmsg.c:82

#10 0x4b190 in lpair__SetNth (self=0x1d0a30, ai=0, x=0x0) at lpair.c:666

#11 0xf1bc in frame__SetView (self=0x1d0a30, view=0x0) at frame.c:527

#12 0xf73394b4 in DeleteWindow (self=0x1ce9a0) at sendaux.c:362

#13 0xb2180 in keystate__DoProc (self=0x21b388, pe=0x222298, rock=0, 
object=0x1ce9a0)

    at keystate.c:156

#14 0xa8dbc in im__HandleMenu (self=0x1d3240, procTableEntry=0x222298, 
object=0x1ce9a0, rock=0)

    at im.c:1143

#15 0xab164 in ProcessInputQueue () at im.c:2022

#16 0xab260 in im__Interact (classID=0x0, mayBlock=1) at im.c:2054

#17 0xab80c in im__KeyboardProcessor (classID=0x1195d4) at im.c:2266

#18 0x9d10c in application__Run (self=0x139290) at app.c:340

#19 0x2b24 in main (argc=2, argv=0xf7fff264) at runapp.c:218

(gdb) p menulist->object

$1 = (struct basicobject *) 0x7069676c

(gdb) p/a menulist->object

$2 = 0x7069676c <end+1884747324>

(gdb) p (char *)menulist->object

$3 = 0x7069676c<Address 0x7069676c out of bounds>

(gdb) p (char *)&(menulist->object)

$4 = 0x1dc044 "piglet/janssen"

(gdb) p *menulist

$5 = \{header = \{menulist_methods = 0x2100c8\}, version = 1878896, 
menuVersion = 1818588207, 

  object = 0x7069676c, menus = 0x65742f6a, curMenu = 0x616e7373, 
menuChainBefore = 0x656e0000, 

  menuChainAfter = 0x0, curChainBefore = 0x0, curChainAfter = 0x1dc030, 
refcount = 0x2175d0, 

  selectMask = 25, oldMask = 1768842341, regionID = 1853095936, installVersion 
= -1, curIM = 0x0\}


}Bill

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Thanks for the information!


I was able to replicate this problem exactly, even the gdb backtrace was 
almost identical (modulo-addresses :-).  It turns out that we're being bitten 
by an assumption I made about the conventions of usage for the PostMenus 
method.  I believe the solution to this problem is to fix 
im_UnlinkNotification to call wantinputfocus on the unlinkedTree's parent if 
it has one.  I'll try this and let you know what happens.


-Rob

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I was almost right.  Looking a little closer I think this is better:


\example{if(unlinkedTree->parent && unlinkedTree->parent!=(struct view *)self) 
view_WantInputFocus(unlinkedTree->parent, unlinkedTree->parent);

}
in place of:


\example{im_PostKeyState(self, NULL);

im_PostMenus(self, NULL);

}
in the first if statement in im__UnlinkNotification in im.c.  (I'd give line 
numbers but they are likely to be quite wrong since I've done a bit of other 
work in im recently.)


-Rob

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\quotation{It would be really nice if you could run messages under gdb, and 
send a stack trace...

}
Hey, I used to do this from  time to time.  All you need is the .dog files, 
though I forget how to generate them....

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I am almost done installing andrew ( Two directories to go )
But I cant figure out this bug - or how to get around it.
We are not using AFS.
I have the #defines for AFS_ENV taken out of site.h.
Can you help me out?

thanks

--  Mike Robb
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make DESTDIR=/home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released install
/home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/etc/install  -c -m 0444 cmu.ovrvw  /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/lib/help.overviews
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/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/hm99/index/installandyindex."sun4_41" /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released
sh: /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/hm99/index/installandyindex.sun4_41: not found
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install.time'
Current working directory /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/helpindex
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'
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\quotation{Hey, I used to do this from  time to time.  All you need is the 
.dog files, though I forget how to generate them....

}
.dog files are supposed to be automatically generated if you have 

	CDEBUGFLAGS = -g 

in your site.mcr  (the default is -O).  The .dog files will stay in the object 
tree and not get installed anywhere.  When gdb'ing, you have to use the object 
tree versions.


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Mike, 


I think you might have CMU_ENV defined in your site.h file.  You should  take 
that out, rerun imake, then remake world in the helpindex directory.  If this 
doesn't fix the problem, will you please send me a copy of your site.h and 
site.mcr files? Thanks.


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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-> Mike, 
-> I think you might have CMU_ENV defined in your site.h file.  You should 
-> take that out, rerun imake, then remake world in the helpindex
-> directory.  If this doesn't fix the problem, will you please send me a
-> copy of your site.h and site.mcr files? Thanks.
-> Susan Straub - Andrew Toolkit Consortium

thanks ;-)

-- mike
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After getting the makefiles to output with no errors
the executables for a sun4 --

There are a couple of bugs that I have come accross:
( I have only tried these two )
It seems that if I am rlogin'd into another account ( sun4 )
that is trying to bring up windows on the console that
I am on.  This gives an error.

If however I run preview on a sun4 ( console ) and try to
have it bring up windows on itself, it works.

With console, it is looking for a file in the "projects"
directory. Nothing from the makefiles puts anything 
into this directory ( it is empty ).

Can you help me out?

--thanks

-- Mike

**************************************************
 console
 Starting console (Version 7.6, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
 Console: Cannot find library /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/projects/lib/consoles: error 2
 ERROR: Console couldn't open Default; proceeding with fudgenut.con...
 Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
 Could not create new window.
 exiting.
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nmt -Tpsc /home/harbor3/robb/Other/Letters/follow_up | /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/bin/preview
Starting preview (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
preview: Could not create new window; exiting.
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\italic{First, my configuration:}  Andrew Release 5.0.0, straight from 
\typewriter{\smaller{emsworth}}, with MIT X11R5pl9 on a two-headed Sun 
SPARCstation 1 (one bwtwo and one cgsix), under SunOS 4.1.2.


\italic{The problem:  }When I came to work and started up \italic{messages} 
this morning, it gave me the following complaints:


\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{Starting messages (Version 7.15, ATK 5.0.0); 
please wait...  (14:25:54 )

xgraphic: named color not in database (m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials) 
 (14:26:14 )

xgraphic: named color not in database (m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials) 
 (14:26:14 )

xgraphic: named color not in database (m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials) 
 (14:26:14 )

xgraphic: named color not in database (m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials) 
 (14:26:14 )

}}}
It still comes up and appears to run O.K.  I've been running Release 5.0.0 for 
several weeks and this is the first time I've seen this happen.  Furthermore, 
it only seems to happen on my monochrome screen.  On my color screen, there 
are no complaints.  The character string in parentheses (what is supposed to 
be a color name, I presume) varies from invocation to invocation.  Sometimes 
it is an empty string, but generally what I find are message folder names, or 
fragments thereof.


My first thought was to install Bill Janssen's xgraphic.c patches and rebuild 
Andrew.  While the patches altered the appearance of my scrollbars, it didn't 
help this problem.


Has anyone else seen this?  Is there a solution?


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

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\quotation{\quotation{It would be really nice if you could run messages under 
gdb, and send a stack trace...

}}
\quotation{Hey, I used to do this from  time to time.  All you need is the 
.dog files, though I forget how to generate them....

}
Actually, with GDB 4.2 or later, on the SunOS 4.1.1 version of ATK, you don't 
even need the .dog files.  All you have to do is type "shared" when you hit 
your breakpoint, and GDB goes out and loads all the symbols automatically. 
 None of this "add-file" nonsense.  You don't even need the "-d" switch for 
runapp.


Bill

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 6-Mar-92 andrew 
installing Beaker @ecn.purdue.edu (1007)}


\quotation{/home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/etc/install  -c -m 0444 
cmu.ovrvw  /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/lib/help.overviews

}\quotation{/home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/etc/install  -c -m 0444 
cmu.prgms  /home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released/lib/help.programs

}\quotation{/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/hm99/index/installandyindex."sun4_41" 
/home/orchestra5/robb/mit/itc/released

}\quotation{sh: /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/hm99/index/installandyindex.sun4_41: 
not found

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}
This will happen if you have CMU_ENV defined in your site.h file, but should 
not happen otherwise.  See $ANDREWSRC/helpindex/Imakefile.  Since this is 
supposed to be run only at CMU, it refers to an executable which is only 
available here.  (Up until a month ago or so, it may have been externally 
accessible.)


Fred Hansen

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Here's a patch to the messages template that removes the annoying 12 point 
font size that's wired in.  This allows the font size to be controlled by the 
"messages.fontsize" preference, and removes the really annoying small font 
size on my hi-res screen.


\example{*** messages.tpl-dist	Fri Mar  6 12:28:54 1992

--- messages.tpl	Fri Mar  6 12:29:17 1992

***************

*** 1,7 ****

  \\begindata\{text, 1\}

  \\textdsversion\{12\}

- \\define\{global

- attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]\}

  \\define\{italic

  menu:[Font~1,Italic~11]

  attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]\}

--- 1,5 ----

}

Bill

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This is very odd.  I've looked through the xgraphic code again, and
can't see any reason why this should be.  About the only possible cause
is that the xgraphic_XGC field isn't being set up properly.  However, it
seems OK everywhere.

Your problem really sounds like a font problem.  I can't see anything in
our patch that might turn it on and off.  I suspect I'd have to have an
xscope trace of the request stream to make some sense of it.

Bill
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from atk.info-andrew: 4-Mar-92 Re: new xgraphic.c 
patch fo.. Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (512+1)}


\quotation{I don't think that the patch Bill posted is responsible for this 
beahavior.  My reason: the 'M' in my \italic{More} menucard on my HP720 
"Snake" is kinda weird too:

}
I had fonts looking like this when I first used hp300 machines for Andrew, and 
it was because the X11fonts dir I was using was built under SunOS  instead of 
HPUX - the fonts worked, but looked as you describe.


The reason I say that the patch is to blame is that the problem I 
described--characters being wrong--only happens on the monochrome screen, not 
on the color.  And if the patch is backed out of, the problem goes away. 
Consistently.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from atk.info-andrew: 4-Mar-92 Re: new xgraphic.c 
patch fo.. Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (512+1)}


\quotation{It's kinda hard to tell from this dithered xwd, but the M is 
strange-- it looks like a lot of white lines, one on top of the other.  Is 
this what you see?

}
No. The font looks correct, but the size information for the character is 
wrong:

"Message of the Day" comes out as " Mssage of the Day" with the 'M' being 
drawn in the same place as the 'e'.

The icon for working with folders (the square with a '?' in it) in the folders 
part of the messages window is drawn over the same spot as the tick mark 
showing the subscription state.  


Sorry, but I can't get a raster of it, because I have backed out of the patch 
to enable the users to continue using ATK apps.


Nick

System Architecture Research Centre, Computing Science Dept,

City University, Northampton Square, London  EC1V 0HB.

Phone: +44 71 477 8551		 FAX: +44 71 477 8587

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Currently ATK doesn't really choose highlight colors.  The selected region is 
highlighted by setting the transfer mode to XOR and filling rectangles to 
cover the region.  The problem arises because on color screens  there is no 
defined result of the XOR operation other than that the colors will\bold{ 
probably }be different after the drawing has taken place.


Allowing arbitrary setting for highlighted foreground and background colors 
would require additions to the basic graphic primitives to allow swapping of 
colors in a given area, or moving the highlighting effect into the main redraw 
loop.


-Rob





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One kludge for highlighting that I remember from my old X version 10
days:

Choose foreground colors and background colors who's color number
in the color table are XORs of each other.  Then highlighting with XOR
does the right thing.

Is this of any use?

-wdc
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Does anyone have any hints on how to use MESSAGES to read news with NNTP?

Thanks for any info,
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I installed Andrew on an sgi4d20G running Irix4.0.1 and it seems
to work fine except that when I attempt to open a sub-window
from an inset to ez; i.e, chimp or table, it results in a core dump.

Anyone else see anything like this and track it down?

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 6-Mar-92 Bizarre 
Messages Behavior Tom Crockett@??? (1677+0)}


\quotation{\italic{The problem:  }When I came to work and started up 
\italic{messages} this morning, it gave me the following complaints:

}
\typewriter{\smaller{\smaller{\quotation{Starting messages (Version 7.15, ATK 
5.0.0); please wait...  (14:25:54 )

}\quotation{xgraphic: named color not in database 
(m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials)  (14:26:14 )

}\quotation{xgraphic: named color not in database 
(m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials)  (14:26:14 )

}\quotation{xgraphic: named color not in database 
(m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials)  (14:26:14 )

}\quotation{xgraphic: named color not in database 
(m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials)  (14:26:14 )

}}}}
\quotation{It still comes up and appears to run O.K.  I've been running 
Release 5.0.0 for several weeks and this is the first time I've seen this 
happen.  Furthermore, it only seems to happen on my monochrome screen.  On my 
color screen, there are no complaints.

}
By process of elimination, I think I've found the culprit -- it's the 
Scrollbar color preferences that are causing \italic{messages} to complain. 
 Here's what I have in my \bold{preferences} file:


\leftindent{\typewriter{\smaller{#

#  Scrollbars

#

ScrollbarWidth:		20

ElevatorWidth:		12

ScrollDrawBorders:	false

ScrollbarPosition:	left

ScrollDotTop:		black

ScrollButtonPadding: 	2

ScrollElevatorTop:	grey85

ScrollBarTop:		grey75

*.ThumbScroll:		yes

}}}

If I comment out \typewriter{\smaller{ScrollDotTop}}, 
\typewriter{\smaller{ScrollElevatorTop}}, and 
\typewriter{\smaller{ScrollBarTop}}, \italic{messages} is perfectly happy.  If 
I enable any one of these, it's enough to cause trouble.  Interestingly 
enough, other applications (\italic{ez}, for example) don't complain at all.


Is there some way I can test for a color screen in my \bold{preferences} file? 
 I know about ?E and ?M, but I need something screen-specific, since my 
workstation has both color and monochrome monitors.  I could test for the 
DISPLAY environment variable, except that if I login at some other 
workstation, the configuration may well be different (screen 0.0 may be 
monochrome instead of color, for example), and then everything breaks.


-Tom\
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Mar-92 Re: 
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\quotation{Is there some way I can test for a color screen in my 
\bold{preferences} file?  I know about ?E and ?M, but I need something 
screen-specific, since my workstation has both color and monochrome monitors. 
 I could test for the DISPLAY environment variable, except that if I login at 
some other workstation, the configuration may well be different (screen 0.0 
may be monochrome instead of color, for example), and then everything breaks.

}

In your X startup script, set an environment variable (say, COLOR_P) which is 
screen dependent that can be tested using ?E in your .preferences.


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Subject: running a non-AFS AMDS


Could somebody comment on the implications of running AMDS built with
AFS_ENV not defined?

We recently built Andrew on an sgi4d70G running Irix4.0.1 and equipped
with Transarc's AFS/NFS translator.  We built Andrew using the same
configuration files that we use with our AFS-environment platforms
(suns, decs and ibms), with the one exception that AFS_ENV was
undefined.  That is, we built Andrew for the sgi with RUN_AMDS_ENV,
AMS_DELIVERY_ENV, and WHITEPAGES_ENV defined, but AFS_ENV undefined.

Messages, and its familiar components like queuemail and wp*, compiled
and installed successfully.  I'm wondering now what's *supposed* to
happen when messages runs?  Should queuemail still try to insert new
messages into our AFS delivery system?  Should we expect that addresses
will be verified against our AFS White Pages database?

As is, nothing much works on the sgi, except that old messages can be
read from folders.  Sending new messages results in an error indicating
a problem with /etc/oldsendmail, and reading new mail gives a message
that says, "Messages in .../Mailbox could not be properly read and
delivered".  Finally, "wpq user_name" returns the message, "B-tree:  No
such file or directory".

Any advice on how we might use AMDS from an sgi to communicate with our
other AFS-environment platforms would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob Dew
National Institutes of Health
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(301) 496-5361
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You're on somewhat shakey ground here.  I seriously doubt that anyone
has ever run AMDS without AFS before.

It may well be possible, I just don't know.   Here's a possible fallback
position:  Configure your SGI as if it were not running AMDS (i.e. have
a different AndrewSetup file for it) and set up its sendmail
configuration to simply deliver all mail to the AMDS postoffice in your
real AFS cell.  Not quite as efficient, but more or less guaranteed to
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If you're running the AFS/NFS translator for these machines, shouldn't you be 
able to get AFS_ENV to work?  That is, the pioctl() support should be there. 
 Or should it?


Ah, you're probably stuck on the ptserver stuff.  If there's absolutely no AFS 
library support, you're stuck there too, and pioctl() won't work.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 10-Mar-92 running 
a non-AFS AMDS Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (1448)}


\quotation{As is, nothing much works on the sgi, except that old messages can 
be

}\quotation{read from folders.  Sending new messages results in an error 
indicating

}\quotation{a problem with /etc/oldsendmail, and reading new mail gives a 
message

}\quotation{that says, "Messages in .../Mailbox could not be properly read and

}\quotation{delivered".  Finally, "wpq user_name" returns the message, 
"B-tree:  No

}\quotation{such file or directory".

}
You should be able to control almost all of this with AndrewSetup.  You may 
need to set such fundamental things as ThisDomain and clearing 
AMS_NonAMSDelivery, and probably setting ThisDomainAuthFromWS.  Also, let's 
presume that your translator maps files like /afs/alw.nih.gov/service/wp to 
/afs/alw.nih.gov/service/wp, so that WP lookups have a hope of working.


That is, you can probably trick AMS into not caring that its files appear to 
be on a local disk.  You won't be able to trick AMS into reading your current 
AFS authentication (unless pioctl() works), so you'd need 
ThisDomainAuthFromWS.  Otherwise, you should be able to make it work OK.


		Craig

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Following Craig's suggestions, non-AFS AMDS on SGIs is very close to working. 
 The single addition of "ThisDomain" to AndrewSetup cleared up many of the 
previously mentioned problems.  All of the White Pages utilities work 
correctly now, and \italic{messages} in general at least looks in the proper 
places for the files it needs to processs.  The remaining stumbling blocks lie 
in overcoming file access complications.


When reading new mail, \italic{messages} returns the error, "Deadlock 
situation detected/avoided (in flock in ReadRawFile)".  \italic{Messages} 
looks for new mail in ~/Mailbox, but is unable to transfer data to 
~/.MESSAGES/mail.


When sending mail, \italic{messages} complains, "Can't get all tokens: 
 Unknown failure".  At this point, the outgoing message in queued in 
~/.Outgoing, where it will be picked up at some time by the AMDS postoffice 
queuemail daemons, which run under rt_aos4.


So, as things stand, AMDS mail delivery on SGIs is somewhat buggy, but 
functional, but new mail still can't be read from ~/Mailbox.


Bob



  


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The error messages, though, indicate that some memory is being smashed 
somewhere:


\quotation{xgraphic: named color not in database 
(m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials)  (14:26:14 )

}
That's a pretty wierd color being complained about: 
 \example{m/.MESSAGES/Graphics/materials}.  Hardly seems right to just not 
specify colors and avoid the bug.


Bill

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\quotation{Is there some way I can test for a color screen in my 
\bold{preferences} file?  I know about ?E and ?M, but I need something 
screen-specific, since my workstation has both color and monochrome monitors. 
 I could test for the DISPLAY environment variable, except that if I login at 
some other workstation, the configuration may well be different (screen 0.0 
may be monochrome instead of color, for example), and then everything breaks.

}
I haven't found a \bold{good} solution to this, but:  I run a hi-res (100 dpi) 
monochrome screen and a regular-res (72dpi) color screen as two screens of the 
same X display.  I start an instance of twm on each, with the XENVIRONMENT and 
PROFILES environment variables bound to different \typewriter{.Xdefaults} and 
\typewriter{preferences} files for each screen.  I do not use xrdb to load 
properties onto the root window of screen 0 of my display.  It works OK, but 
it's not automatic.


Bill


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\quotation{Hardly seems right to just not specify colors and avoid the bug.

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Quite true.  I plan to look into this.


-Rob

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Here's a related nasty.

We're trying out an RS/6000 that doesn't yet have AFS integrated.
What this means is that our EZ compiled with AFS_ENV 1 will not run at
all.  I think there should be a library that can tell in real time if
it's running an AFS kernel and do the right thing.

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I'm having a hard time calling im_Destroy on an im which has as it's view a 
scroll containing a textview.  I think it's because the code for 
scroll_LinkTree looks like this:


\example{void scroll__LinkTree(self, parent)

struct scroll *self;

struct view *parent;

\{

    super_LinkTree(self, parent);

    if (self->child)

	view_LinkTree(self->child, self);

\}

}

When called with parent == NULL, bad things may happen in the call to 
view_LinkTree().  Is this the way that things are supposed to work?  That is, 
is it supposed to be safe to call view_LinkTree() in this situation?  In that 
case, textview_LinkTree() is broken.


My own feeling is that scroll_LinkTree() should read:


\example{void scroll__LinkTree(self, parent)

struct scroll *self;

struct view *parent;

\{

    super_LinkTree(self, parent);

    if (parent != NULL && self->child != NULL)

	view_LinkTree(self->child, self);

\}

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Bill

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being new to ATK programming, I am having some difficulties finding my
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Is there an address I can write to for ATK advice ? Is there anybody else
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I was wondering which programs I need to tweak if I
want to put in a file selction widget like "Selfile"
that returns the name of a selected file; when EZ
prompts for a file name..

I think there is probably one program that prompts
the user when a filename is needed. But it is hard
to find it among the huge number of files Andrew
has.

Thanks a lot
deeptendu

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The trick applied so far has been that any AFS-related system calls are 
expected to signal SIGSYS if they're not implemented in the prevailing kernel. 
 This works for most platforms, but your platform is an RS/6000.  In that 
case, the exec() processor and the kernel-extension loader conspire to refuse 
to allow any reference to the relevant system call or calls (lpioctl()? 
 afs_syscall()?) at all.


There is some technology that can determine whether a given kernel extension 
has been loaded on an RS/6000.  It wouldn't be wrong for AFS's user libraries 
to use it, but it makes for a possibly-widespread change.  I assume you've 
communicated the bug to your AFS product support representative.


		Craig

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This should not be the case.  If it is there is a bug elsewhere I believe the 
scoll_LinkTree code is correct.


How is textview_LinkTree broken?  It also appears to be correct as far as I 
can tell.


I assume you're getting a segfault when you destroy this im?  Could you send 
me a backtrace?


-Rob

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The relevant classes are message, and completion.  message is in 
atk/basics/common/message*. completion is in atk/support/complete*.


You may also want to try setting the preference:


*.DialogPriority: 30


This will cause all message line prompts for a file name with completion to 
come up in a dialog box.  Typing '?' or clicking on the help button will then 
show a list of the completions and allow you to click on one.  This currently 
has the drawback that the size of the dialog is fixed regardless of the number 
of completions there are.  (And there is no provision for the user to set a 
size for the dialog.)


-Rob

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The current release of Andrew has a bug that will cause AMS programs (nns, 
cui, vui, and messages) to core dump if they receive a message with a fairly 
pathological From: field.  One recent example is the following:


From: sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1))


I'm posting this fairly widely because this particular message was killing our 
nns process, and I figured it might be happening to other people as well.


The fix is very simple:  In ams/libs/ms/shrkname.c, you need to add a single 
phrase ("&& numparts > 0") to the "while" test on line 82.  Here's a context 
diff:


\bold{diff -c shrkname.c shrkname.c.orig}

*** shrkname.c	Wed Mar 11 11:18:02 1992

--- shrkname.c.orig	Wed Mar 11 11:08:10 1992

***************

*** 79,85 ****

      for(i=0; i<numparts; ++i) \{

  	ComponentLengths[i] = strlen(Components[i]);

      \}

!     while (len > limit && numparts > 0) \{

  	looking = 1;

  	for (i=0; i<numparts; ++i) \{

  	    tmp = index(Components[i], '%');

--- 79,85 ----

      for(i=0; i<numparts; ++i) \{

  	ComponentLengths[i] = strlen(Components[i]);

      \}

!     while (len > limit) \{

  	looking = 1;

  	for (i=0; i<numparts; ++i) \{

  	    tmp = index(Components[i], '%');

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From: prism!gt0963d@gatech.edu  (Deeptendu Majumder)
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Subject: GROFF and Andrew
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TO my great excitement I was able to install groff and
actually print out documents with raster insets in them
(without psdit)

:-)

Now I have new questions..

With troff the pages used to come out vertically centered
with the page number on top. But now the text is shifted
towards the upper margin quite a bit and the page number
does not show..Any suggestion ?

my 
formatcommand: groff -Tps filename|
printcommand: lpr

My next question is about preview..

Earlier I used to have my format command as

formatcommand:troff -Tps -t filename|
printcommand:lpr -t

When I chose preview the preview window would appear
and die instantly..

Now with groff formatcommand the preview window appears
and stays on the screen. But it is blank. And I noticed
that it runs as preview -o filename.dvi in the background.
the filename.dvi is created in the /tmp space.
But it has a 0 byte size ???

So what kind of file preview is actually trying to show -
dvi, troff ???

any help would be most appreciated..

thanks
deeptendu

-- 
------
"Like a harsh neon streaking  through the velvet darkness 
the whetted knife of Life tore its path through her Dreams"
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From: Cameron Humphries <cameron@cs.adelaide.edu.au>

One of our lecturers wants to project "table" and "ez" through an
overhead projection system during 1st year lectures. Naturally I
need to modify the preferences so that the windows use large fonts
and nice colors. I have been mostly successful in my endevours
however a few still elude me and no amount of RTFM'ing the
preferences manual sheds any light.

Thus I turn to the net:

1. The label in a dialog box (I have the buttons set up ok).

2. The cells inside table. I have set the bodyfontfamily preference
but it still remains to small. I have set the bodyfont to "andy16"
but this doesn't change the font size in the cells.

3. Foreground and Background colors
I tried table.Foreground and table.foreground but this doesn't seem
to do anything. The colors I want to use are valid since I can
supply them on the command line without any problems.

Thanks for your time.

-Cameron
Cameron Humphries
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We have been using groff with Andrew with following settings:

# Preferences 
formatcommand: :;
previewcommand: geqn -D -TX100 /usr/local/lib/groff/font/devX100/eqnchar /tmp/%s.n | gtroff -mX -TX100 | preview -f -o %s
printcommand: groff -e -Tps /tmp/%s.n | lpr

Hope that will help

-Kazio
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A number of people have requested more detail on this bug.  How, they
have asked, could AMS, which handles many thousands of messages daily at
many sites on many platforms, have had such a basic bug for so long? 
The answer is it didn't -- the bug is actually very obscure.  The header
in question was:

From: sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1))

Contrary to what many of you assumed, the nested comments were NOT the
problem -- AMS deals with those all the time.  The bug I fixed would
core dump ONLY when all of the following conditions (I think, roughly)
were met:

1.  There were nested comments in the From line.
2.  There was no route-phrase preceding the address
3.  The innermost comment had a comma
4.  In the part of the innermost comment BEFORE the comma, there were no
space characters AND no alphabetic characters.

In other words, it was indeed a low-probability event.  The bug in
question is in the code that uses lots of heuristics to try to extract
the real human name from the From field.  I now believe that, successful
though this algorithm often is, it was probably a mistake even to try
such a thing.

By the way, my fix just prevents a core dump -- it doesn't make AMS
successfully pick out the name "Susan Donahue" from the above address. 
Instead, it decides that her real name is "10".  So sue me.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: xrdb conflict with .preferences


Since installing Andrew Version 5 on SUN Sparc2s running 4.0.1 and MIT
X11R4, we've had persistent problems with customizing messages fonts via
.preferences configuration.  Sometimes, fonts specified in .preferences
would display correctly, sometimes a different font would appear, and
sometimes graphical fonts, like snoopys and display terminals, would
appear.

We've discovered that the problem has to do with a conflict between xrdb
(the X resource database manager) and font information contained within
.preferences.  While we enjoy the occasional snoopy displays, we've
discovered that a way to eliminate the font problems was to merge the
Andrew .preferences information in with that contained in the xrdb. 
Running "xrdb -m ~/.preferences" at startup clears up some very
frustrating font-customization problems.


Bob Dew
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Preferences Cameron Humphries@cs.ade (1030)}


\quotation{I have been mostly successful in my endevours

}\quotation{however a few still elude me and no amount of RTFM'ing the

}\quotation{preferences manual sheds any light.

}
I hope the following will,


1.  You can copy dialog.tpl from $ANDREWDIR/lib/tpls, to you own directory and 
edit it with frame-visit-file-uninterpetted, or use edit styles, or emacs :-)


If you use emace or visit-file-uninterpetted the line you want would look 
something like one of the following, modulo the actual numbers

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 10]  (sets the font size explicitly)

attr:[FontSize PreviousFontSize Point 4]  (sets the font size relative to the 
previous size, 4 means 4 points larger)


2. \bold{Argh},  this you can't do without a bit of ridiculous hacking.  The 
font size is hard wired at 12.  You can hack around this with X fontpath magic 
if you really need to.  Create a fonts.alias file which looks like:


foobarfont12 -adobe-times-bold-r-normal--*-240-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1


(which is of course only one line, whatever it looks like here)


Then in your preferences set the bodyfontfamily to foobarfont.


I'm sorry you have to go to such lengths, the fix is on my TODO list.


3.  The color preferences are foreground\bold{color} and 
background\bold{color}.


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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Oops, on #1 I should have mentioned how you get the new template to be used...


You can either set the environment variable TEMPLATEPATH to be:


<dir with new dialog.tpl>:$ANDREWDIR/lib/tpls


Or you can set the preferences atktemplatepath similarly.


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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\bold{\quotation{Excerpts from responded: 6-Mar-92 Installing Andrew at 
 Purdue.. Beaker @ecn.purdue.edu (1405)}} 


\quotation{There are a couple of bugs that I have come accross: 

( I have only tried these two ) 

It seems that if I am rlogin'd into another account ( sun4 ) 

that is trying to bring up windows on the console that 

I am on.  This gives an error. 

}

Afraid I can't spend much more time on this problem unless more people are 
 having it.  We need to concentrate on the things Consortium members request 
of  us. 


My final recommendations are: 


Try the following: 


ping hostname.full.domain.name 

finger @hostname.full.domain.name 

setenv DISPLAY hostname.full.domain.name:0.0 

xset q 

ez foo 


If the ping, finger,and xset work but the ez does not you could try  running a 
runapp with debugging info under gdb and setting a breakpoint at  SetupDisplay 
(the code for this is in atk/basics/x.)  You can then step  through that 
function and see what is failing. 


-Rob Ryan 

Andrew Toolkit Consortium 


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This sounds like one of those old stories that I never saved the answer
for.  Please send me private mail if that is the case...

With no special information in preferences, messages uses a Times font
(under an `andy'ish alias) for message bodies, but one that is smaller
than I prefer.  If I specify a font size of 14, the X11R5 server here
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If this sounds familiar, I would certainly appreciate an explanation.

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}
Yes, I've seen this too.  I blame it all on the template 
atkams/messages/cmd/messages.tpl (which winds up installed in 
$\{ANDREWDIR\}/lib/tpls/messages.tpl), which hardwires the global point size 
of message bodies to 12 point.  Once I eradicated that particular problem from 
our sources, we've had no further problems.  Here's a patch for the template 
file:


\example{*** messages.tpl-dist	Fri Mar  6 12:28:54 1992

--- messages.tpl	Fri Mar  6 12:29:17 1992

***************

*** 1,7 ****

  \\begindata\{text, 1\}

  \\textdsversion\{12\}

- \\define\{global

- attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]\}

  \\define\{italic

  menu:[Font~1,Italic~11]

  attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]\}

--- 1,5 ----

}

Bill

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Gary,


Here's the patch to messages that allows multiple send/reply windows to be up 
simultaneously.  To apply it, cd to atkams/messages/lib, and use "patch -p 
<patch-file".


Bill


\example{*** foldaux.c-dist	Thu Mar  5 17:31:28 1992

--- foldaux.c	Thu Mar  5 17:36:30 1992

***************

*** 2,13 ****

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! /* $Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
daux.c,v 1.16 1991/09/27 20:48:52 rr2b Exp $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
daux.c,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
daux.c,v 1.16 1991/09/27 20:48:52 rr2b Exp $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #include <andrewos.h>

--- 2,13 ----

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! /* $Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/foldaux.c,v 1.1 1992/03/06 01:31:32 
janssen Exp janssen $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: /a/atkams/messages/lib/foldaux.c,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid = "$Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/foldaux.c,v 1.1 
1992/03/06 01:31:32 janssen Exp janssen $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #include <andrewos.h>

***************

*** 30,35 ****

--- 30,36 ----

  #include <text.ih>

  #include <filetype.ih>

  #include <envrment.ih>

+ #include <glist.ih>

  

  #include <ams.ih>

  #include <amsutil.ih>

***************

*** 108,115 ****

  struct folders *self;

  char *cmds;

  \{

!     if (self->sm) \{

! 	ams_GenericCompoundAction(ams_GetAMS(), self->sm, "sendmessage", cmds);

      \}

  \}

  

--- 109,116 ----

  struct folders *self;

  char *cmds;

  \{

!     if (glist_Size(self->sm) > 0) \{

! 	ams_GenericCompoundAction(ams_GetAMS(), glist_First(self->sm), 
"sendmessage", cmds);

      \}

  \}

  

***************

*** 129,139 ****

  void folders_UpFocus(self)

  struct folders *self;

  \{

!     if (self->sm) \{

! 	ams_Focus(self->sm->BodyTextview);

!     \} else \{

! 	ams_Focus(captions_GetBodView(folders_GetCaptions(self)));

!     \}

  \}

  

  void folders_SimulateLeftClick(self)

--- 130,136 ----

  void folders_UpFocus(self)

  struct folders *self;

  \{

!     ams_Focus(captions_GetBodView(folders_GetCaptions(self)));

  \}

  

  void folders_SimulateLeftClick(self)

*** folders.c-dist	Thu Mar  5 17:00:11 1992

--- folders.c	Fri Mar  6 18:46:12 1992

***************

*** 2,13 ****

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! /* $Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.c,v 1.38 1991/10/03 02:22:38 dba Exp $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.c,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.c,v 1.38 1991/10/03 02:22:38 dba Exp $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #include <andrewos.h> /* sys/file.h */

--- 2,13 ----

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! /* $Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.c,v 1.1 1992/03/06 01:00:18 
janssen Exp janssen $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.c,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid = "$Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.c,v 1.1 
1992/03/06 01:00:18 janssen Exp janssen $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #include <andrewos.h> /* sys/file.h */

***************

*** 34,39 ****

--- 34,40 ----

  #include <menulist.ih>

  #include <style.ih>

  #include <fontdesc.ih>

+ #include <glist.ih>

  

  #include <ams.ih>

  #include <amsutil.ih>

***************

*** 1016,1043 ****

      \}

  \}

  

  struct sendmessage *folders__ExposeSend(self)

  struct folders *self;

  \{

  

!     if (self->sm == NULL) \{

! 	self->sm = sendmessage_New();

! 	sendmessage_SetFoldersView(self->sm, self);

  	

! 	self->sm->myframe = ams_InstallInNewWindow(self->sm, "messages-send", 
"Message Composition", environ_GetProfileInt("sendmessage.width", -1), 
environ_GetProfileInt("sendmessage.height", -1), self->sm);

! 	if (self->sm->myframe == NULL) \{

! 	    sendmessage_Destroy(self->sm);

! 	    self->sm = NULL;

  	    return(NULL);

  	\}

! 	sendmessage_Reset(self->sm);

      \}

!     folders_Expose(sendmessage_GetIM(self->sm));

      if (amsutil_GetOptBit(EXP_WARPWINDOW)) \{

! 	folders_Warp(sendmessage_GetIM(self->sm));

      \}

!     sendmessage_WantInputFocus(self->sm, self->sm);

!     return(self->sm);

  \}

  

  void folders__GrowWindow(self) 

--- 1017,1067 ----

      \}

  \}

  

+ static boolean DormantSM (sm)

+   struct sendmessage *sm;

+ \{

+ #define SM_STATE_NOSTATE -1

+ #define SM_STATE_READY 0

+ #define SM_STATE_INPROGRESS 1

+ #define SM_STATE_SENDING 4

+ #define SM_STATE_SENT 5

+ #define SM_STATE_VALIDATING 6

+ #define SM_STATE_VALIDATED 7

+ #define SM_STATE_VALIDATEFAILED 8

+ 

+   if (sm == NULL)

+     \{

+       fprintf (stderr, "messages/folders:  DormantSM passed NULL sm!!\\n", 
sm);

+       return (FALSE);

+     \}

+   return (sm->CurrentState == SM_STATE_SENT);

+ \}

+ 

  struct sendmessage *folders__ExposeSend(self)

  struct folders *self;

  \{

+     struct sendmessage *sm;

  

!     if (glist_Size(self->sm) < 1

! 	|| (sm = (struct sendmessage *) glist_Find(self->sm, DormantSM, 0)) == 
NULL) \{

! 	sm = sendmessage_New();

! 	sendmessage_SetFoldersView(sm, self);

  	

! 	sm->myframe = ams_InstallInNewWindow(sm, "messages-send", "Message 
Composition", environ_GetProfileInt("sendmessage.width", -1), 
environ_GetProfileInt("sendmessage.height", -1), sm);

! 	if (sm->myframe == NULL) \{

! 	    sendmessage_Destroy(sm);

! 	    sm = NULL;	/* be nice for conservative garbage collectors */

  	    return(NULL);

  	\}

! 	sendmessage_Reset(sm);

!         glist_Insert(self->sm, sm);

      \}

!     folders_Expose(sendmessage_GetIM(sm));

      if (amsutil_GetOptBit(EXP_WARPWINDOW)) \{

! 	folders_Warp(sendmessage_GetIM(sm));

      \}

!     sendmessage_WantInputFocus(sm, sm);

!     return(sm);

  \}

  

  void folders__GrowWindow(self) 

***************

*** 1213,1219 ****

  struct folders *self;

  struct sendmessage *sm;

  \{

!     self->sm = sm;

  \}

  

  struct captions *folders__GetCaptions(self)

--- 1237,1244 ----

  struct folders *self;

  struct sendmessage *sm;

  \{

!   if (sm != NULL && (!glist_Contains(self->sm, sm)))

!     glist_Push (self->sm, sm);

  \}

  

  struct captions *folders__GetCaptions(self)

***************

*** 1343,1349 ****

      folders->puntlp=NULL;

      folders->buttons = NULL;

      folders->myscroll = NULL;

!     folders->sm = NULL;

      folders->mycursor = NULL;

      folders->HasSetUp = 0;

      folders->CurrentConfiguration = LIST_NEWONLY;

--- 1368,1374 ----

      folders->puntlp=NULL;

      folders->buttons = NULL;

      folders->myscroll = NULL;

!     folders->sm = glist_New(NULL);

      folders->mycursor = NULL;

      folders->HasSetUp = 0;

      folders->CurrentConfiguration = LIST_NEWONLY;

***************

*** 1368,1373 ****

--- 1393,1406 ----

      return(TRUE);

  \}

  

+ static boolean ClearFoldersView (sm, rock)

+      struct sendmessage *sm;

+      unsigned long rock;

+ \{

+   sendmessage_SetFoldersView (sm, NULL);

+   return(FALSE);

+ \}

+ 

  void folders__FinalizeObject(c, self)

  struct classheader *c;

  struct folders *self;

***************

*** 1377,1384 ****

  	free(self->MainDirCache);

  	self->MainDirCache = NULL;

      \}

!     if (self->sm) \{

! 	sendmessage_SetFoldersView(self->sm, NULL);

      \}

      if (self->mycaps) \{

  	captions_SetFolders(self->mycaps, NULL);

--- 1410,1417 ----

  	free(self->MainDirCache);

  	self->MainDirCache = NULL;

      \}

!     if (glist_Size(self->sm) > 0) \{

!       glist_Find (self->sm, ClearFoldersView, NULL);

      \}

      if (self->mycaps) \{

  	captions_SetFolders(self->mycaps, NULL);

*** folders.ch-dist	Thu Mar  5 17:01:32 1992

--- folders.ch	Thu Mar  5 17:01:52 1992

***************

*** 19,30 ****

  ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS

  SOFTWARE.

  ******************************************************************/

! /* $Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.ch,v 1.6 1991/09/27 20:53:07 rr2b Exp $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.ch,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid_folders_H = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/fol\
ders.ch,v 1.6 1991/09/27 20:53:07 rr2b Exp $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #define TEMPFAILSTRING " (Temporarily unavailable) \\n"

--- 19,30 ----

  ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS

  SOFTWARE.

  ******************************************************************/

! /* $Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.ch,v 1.1 1992/03/06 01:01:35 
janssen Exp janssen $ */

  /* $ACIS: $ */

! /* $Source: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.ch,v $ */

  

  #ifndef lint

! static char *rcsid_folders_H = "$Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/folders.ch,v 
1.1 1992/03/06 01:01:35 janssen Exp janssen $ ";

  #endif /* lint */

  

  #define TEMPFAILSTRING " (Temporarily unavailable) \\n"

***************

*** 100,106 ****

      struct captions *mycaps;

      struct lpair *puntlp;

      int MailOnlyMode, CurrentConfiguration, VeryNarrow;

!     struct sendmessage *sm;

      struct sbuttonv *buttons;

      struct scroll *myscroll;

      struct frame *myframe;

--- 100,106 ----

      struct captions *mycaps;

      struct lpair *puntlp;

      int MailOnlyMode, CurrentConfiguration, VeryNarrow;

!     struct glist *sm;

      struct sbuttonv *buttons;

      struct scroll *myscroll;

      struct frame *myframe;

*** text822v.c-dist	Thu Mar  5 17:51:21 1992

--- text822v.c	Thu Mar  5 17:51:45 1992

***************

*** 2,8 ****

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! static char *textv_rcsid = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R5/ftp/src/atkams/messages/lib/RCS/tex\
t822v.c,v 1.16 1991/09/12 16:49:37 bobg Exp $";

  

  #include <andrewos.h>

  #include <sys/param.h>

--- 2,8 ----

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! static char *textv_rcsid = "$Header: /a/atkams/messages/lib/text822v.c,v 1.1 
1992/03/06 01:51:25 janssen Exp janssen $";

  

  #include <andrewos.h>

  #include <sys/param.h>

***************

*** 60,70 ****

  \{

      struct folders *f = captions_GetFolders(t822view_GetCaptions(self));

  

!     if (f->sm) \{

! 	ams_Focus(f->sm->HeadTextview);

!     \} else \{

! 	ams_Focus(f);

!     \}

  \}

  

  static void UpFocus(self)

--- 60,66 ----

  \{

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!     ams_Focus(f);

  \}

  

  static void UpFocus(self)

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I've been attempting to reconfigure messages with Validation

in order to provide users with some information if a mail address

might be invalid.  I'm on a Sparcstation 2 running 4.1.1

*without* AFS or AMDS.


Using the default configuration, local addresses (ie. just a user name

supplied), would validate properly, as well as any explicitly configured

domains (I configured it to consider .bitnet,.BITNET, .uucp, and .UUCP

valid, and have them pointed to an appropriate relay host - rutgers.edu),

however, any non-fully-qualified hostname would result in a failed

validation.  After trying various combinations of validating options,

IP address, MX/IP address , gethostbyname, etc., I still had problems.

After looking through the sources, it seems that the routines to check

for IP address and MX/IP addresses actually looked things up in the host

table, and that gethostbyname should have worked.


After more prowling around and further document browsing, I  thought

the problem might be the getdomainname call, as the man page indicates

that it is generally the IP domain of the machine, and we use it for

administrative YP domains and use fully qualified names for the hostname.

I recompiled with GETDOMAIN_ENV set to zero. 


After this, I discovered something very interesting...

in vui and messages,  sending mail to local users (i.e. without

specifying the local hostname) as well as to users at non-fully-qualified 
hostnames, results in an invalid mail address or invalid host name 
respectively.  I had not checked whether vui had failed previously.


BTW, in previous releases of Andrew, I just had disabled address validation, 
however, it would be nice to have it working.


Below are my site.h and site.mcr files.  I'd appreciate any solutions or 
suggestions on this problem,


/* Empty site.h file.  Use this file to hold all */

/* your site's changes to allsys.h and system.h. */


#define CONTRIB_ENV 1

#define MK_BASIC_UTILS	1

#define MK_AUTHORING		1

#define MK_AUX_UTILS		1

#define MK_AUX_INSETS	1

#define MK_EXAMPLES		1

#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /usr/local/andrew_R5

#define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV /usr/local/andrew_R5/local

#define LOCAL_ANDREW_SETUP_ENV "/usr/local/andrew_R5"

#define RESOLVER_ENV 1

#define GETDOMAIN_ENV 0



/* Empty site.mcr file.  Use this file to hold all */

/* your site's changes to allsys.mcr and system.mcr. */


XBASEDIR=

BASEDIR= /usr/local/andrew_R5

XUTILDIR= /usr/local/X11R5/bin

DESTDIR= /usr/local/andrew_R5

XINCDIR= /usr/local/X11R5/include/X11

XMKFONTDIR= /usr/local/X11R5/bin/mkfontdir

XLIBDIR= /usr/local/X11R5/lib

XFC= /usr/local/X11R5/bin/bdftopcf

CDEBUGFLAGS= -O4

RESOLVLIB= 



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I have about 15 patches for various parts of andrew for installing on SCO unix.
One of them completes the port of NESS to SCO.

at your disposal upon request:

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The message entitled "Messages/cui/vui bugs?" may coredump AMS mail readers 
because of a questionable From line syntax.


The patch at the end of this message should cure the problem.


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Toolkit Consortium


diff -c -r2.21 bldcapt.c

*** 2.21        1991/09/12 15:41:37

--- bldcapt.c   1992/03/15 23:36:48

***************

*** 2,11 ****

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! static char *bldcapt_rcsid = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/an

drew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c,v 2.21 1991/09/12 15:41:37 bobg Exp $";


  /*

! $Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c

,v 2.21 1991/09/12 15:41:37 bobg Exp $

  $Source: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c

,v $

  */

  #include <andrewos.h> /* sys/time.h */

--- 2,11 ----

   *         Copyright IBM Corporation 1988,1991 - All Rights Reserved      *

   *        For full copyright information see:'andrew/config/COPYRITE'     *

  \\* ********************************************************************** 
*/

! static char *bldcapt_rcsid = "$Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/an

drew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c,v 2.22 1992/03/15 23:34:21 gk5g Exp $";


  /*

! $Header: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c

,v 2.22 1992/03/15 23:34:21 gk5g Exp $

  $Source: 
/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/src/projects/andrew/ams/libs/ms/RCS/bldcapt.c

,v $

  */

  #include <andrewos.h> /* sys/time.h */

***************

*** 111,117 ****


        InMyCell = (Msg->AuthCell && ULstrcmp(MyMailDomain, Msg->AuthCell) == 
0)

;

        if (AuthenticReSentHeader(Msg)) \{

!           FindPrettiestName(Msg, FromBuf);

        \} else if (IsMyMail && ((homeUsesAMSDelivery<0 && !AMS_ViceIsRunning 
&&

SeemsToBeFromMe(Msg)) || ReallyIsFromMe(Msg, InMyCell))) \{

            int lim;


--- 111,117 ----


        InMyCell = (Msg->AuthCell && ULstrcmp(MyMailDomain, Msg->AuthCell) == 
0)

;

        if (AuthenticReSentHeader(Msg)) \{

!           FindPrettiestName(Msg, FromBuf, sizeof(FromBuf));

        \} else if (IsMyMail && ((homeUsesAMSDelivery<0 && !AMS_ViceIsRunning 
&&

SeemsToBeFromMe(Msg)) || ReallyIsFromMe(Msg, InMyCell))) \{

            int lim;


***************

*** 146,152 ****

                   || (Msg->AuthUid == ANONYMOUSID) || (Msg->AuthUid == 
ANYUSERI

D)

  #endif /* AFS_ENV */

                   || (Msg->AuthUid == postmanvuid && InMyCell)) \{

!           FindPrettiestName(Msg, FromBuf);

  /* if couldn't read WP once, don't leave name as ``User 5333 in cell 
block.foo

.bar'' forever. */

        \} else if (Msg->AuthName && strncmp(Msg->AuthName, "User ", 5) != 0) 
\{

            strcpy(FromBuf, Msg->AuthName);

--- 146,152 ----

                   || (Msg->AuthUid == ANONYMOUSID) || (Msg->AuthUid == 
ANYUSERI

D)

  #endif /* AFS_ENV */

                   || (Msg->AuthUid == postmanvuid && InMyCell)) \{

!           FindPrettiestName(Msg, FromBuf, sizeof(FromBuf));

  /* if couldn't read WP once, don't leave name as ``User 5333 in cell 
block.foo

.bar'' forever. */

        \} else if (Msg->AuthName && strncmp(Msg->AuthName, "User ", 5) != 0) 
\{

            strcpy(FromBuf, Msg->AuthName);

***************

*** 171,177 ****

                    strcat(FromBuf, Msg->AuthCell);

                \}

                strcat(FromBuf, ": ");

!               FindPrettiestName(Msg, TempBuf);

                strcat(FromBuf, TempBuf);

            \} else \{

                char *uname;

--- 171,177 ----

                    strcat(FromBuf, Msg->AuthCell);

                \}

                strcat(FromBuf, ": ");

!               FindPrettiestName(Msg, TempBuf, sizeof(TempBuf));

                strcat(FromBuf, TempBuf);

            \} else \{

                char *uname;

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Basically, the stuff you're working with should be controllable via 
AndrewSetup, and you probably shouldn't recompile until you have a working 
AndrewSetup configuration.


(Your From: line included the illegal address ``rapatel@.rutgers.edu''; what 
should it really be?)


The gethostname() call is used to get the default domain name unless you 
override that with ``ThisDomain'' in AndrewSetup.  Do you use a 
fully-qualified name for that kernel variable, or just a local abbreviation?


Did you check the AndrewSetup documentation about the AMS_DeliveryViaXXX 
options?  What's your AndrewSetup file look like?


The check for known suffixes is case-independent, so you shouldn't have to 
name both .BITNET and .bitnet.  The relay names are used only by AMDS, not the 
user-interface components, so it doesn't matter whether you point them at 
rutgers.edu or not.


Are you using a domain resolver?  Does it work?  Hm--could be that your 
resolver doesn't know what domain extensions to try if your gethostname() name 
isn't fully-qualified.


The routine that checks for mail-domain validation can look in any of:

\leftindent{- the domain system, either MX&A or just A RRs

- /etc/hosts

- the gethostbyname() routine (basically for YP integration) in case 
gethostbyname() in your environment is a stub for some other name system.}


If you want to just check your host name validation, cd to the object 
directory for your current platform under 
\{andrew-objects\}/overhead/mail/lib, and say

	% make valhost.test

When it finishes, it will have made a ``valhost.test'' program that you can 
run.  It will prompt you for a host name to validate.  Give it your favorite 
name and it will tell you all that it finds.  It's most useful if you've 
compiled your resolver with debugging enabled.


		Craig

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Excerpts from mail: 13-Mar-92 Re: Messages: font preferences Bill
Janssen@parc.xerox. (677+0)

> Yes, I've seen this too.  I blame it all on the template
> atkams/messages/cmd/messages.tpl (which winds up installed in
> ${ANDREWDIR}/lib/tpls/messages.tpl), which hardwires the global point
> size of message bodies to 12 point.  Once I eradicated that particular
> problem from our sources, we've had no further problems.  Here's a patch
> for the template file:
Oddly, we've found that applying this patch doesn't affect font
presentation on our systems (Sparc2s running 4.1.1 and X11R4).  If we
set "messages.FontSize: 14" in ~/.preferences, we can make 14 point
fonts display, regardless of whether the patch is applied.  We can also
"fix" things so that only 12 point fonts appear in the messages body,
again, regardless of whether or not the patch is applied.  What makes
the difference for us is whether or not .preferences is included as an X
resource in our X resource database.  Adding .preferences to the
database makes fonts display correctly, and removing the information
causes the unwanted 12 point fonts to appear.

We've noticed that the font problem occurs only in Release 5--Patch
Level 9 correctly displays fonts under all conditions. In that
ANDREWDIR/lib/tpls/messages.tpl is identical in both Release 5 and Patch
9, I wonder whether the source of the font problem might lie somewhere
else.

Bob
 
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\quotation{What makes the difference for us is whether or not .preferences is 
included as an X resource in our X resource database.  Adding .preferences to 
the database makes fonts display correctly, and removing the information 
causes the unwanted 12 point fonts to appear.

}
I'm sorry to say I don't understand what is going on here at all... The only 
part of ATK which even looks at X resources is the popup menu system.  xrdb 
-mergeing preferences is wrong, and won't necessarily work...  


Could you send me the contents of your preferences file and the X resources 
before and after the preferences are merged?  


-Rob Ryan

Andrew Toolkit Consortium

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I have come accross two oddities that I would 
like to ask about.

1) If I working on all machines that are in the domain
*.ecn.purdue.edu and I would like to do the following:
run on machine A, and display on machine B.
on machine B: xhost +
on machine A: setenv DISPLAY B:0
on machine A: ez foo

This will give me the following error:
  Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
  Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
  Could not create new window.
  exiting.

However: if I type:
on machine B: xhost +
on machine A: setenv DISPLAY B.ecn.purdue.edu:0
on machine A: ez foo
It will work.
Both should work, why doesn't this work?

2) When I get into "ez" I have all of the fonts working ok.
However, when I go to exit, the menu I get is static, or just
blured letters.  Any clue as to why?

thanks for the help

-- Mike Robb ( 4UNIX )
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Enhancement Suggestion:

Can someone make Query Replace remember the last replacement string?
Query Replace remembers/defaults the search string, but not the
replacement string.  Sometimes it's useful to do the same Q/R in
different buffers.  Changing it wouldn't affect the way it is currently
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\quotation{Can someone make Query Replace remember the last replacement 
string?

}\quotation{Query Replace remembers/defaults the search string, but not the

}\quotation{replacement string.  Sometimes it's useful to do the same Q/R in

}\quotation{different buffers.  Changing it wouldn't affect the way it is 
currently

}\quotation{used.

}
We did this at one point, but found it undesirable. The problem is that this 
does represent an incompatible change. Right now, just hitting return (having 
an empty replacement string) causes occurances of the search string to be 
deleted (replaced with the empty string). With the change we tried, just 
hitting return accepted the default, which was the previous replacement 
string. Oops.


Maybe there's a better way to do this?


--david

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\quotation{Basically, the stuff you're working with should be controllable via 
AndrewSetup, and you probably shouldn't recompile until you have a working 
AndrewSetup configuration.

}
I'd normally agree, however, the obvious doesn't seem to work.


\quotation{(Your From: line included the illegal address 
``rapatel@.rutgers.edu''; what should it really be?)

}
I had accidentally left ThisDomain defined to ".rutgers.edu" accidentally.

It has been fixed. 


\quotation{The gethostname() call is used to get the default domain name 
unless you override that with ``ThisDomain'' in AndrewSetup.  Do you use a 
fully-qualified name for that kernel variable, or just a local abbreviation?

}
Our resolver code is in libc, and gethostbyname doescalls the resolver

on ou machines instead of YP. I belive this was done at Rutgers

out of a historical context from SunOS 3.x. The resolver is properly 
configured and checks for the .rutgers.edu domain.


\quotation{Did you check the AndrewSetup documentation about the 
AMS_DeliveryViaXXX options?  What's your AndrewSetup file look like?

}
Yes, and here is the current Andrew Setup file (I removed the

validation for the bitnet and uucp domains temporarily):


AMS_DeliveryViaDomainAddress: no

AMS_DeliveryViaGethostbyname: yes

AMS_DeliveryViaHostTable: no

AMS_DeliveryViaDomainMXAddress: no

AMS_AliasesValidation: no

AMS_CheckDateInSeparatingFrom: yes

AMS_CheckAddressInSeparatingFrom: yes

AMS_ValidateDestHosts: yes



Note that my first attempt was to just enable checking for the  domain

and Mx address. 


\quotation{The check for known suffixes is case-independent, so you shouldn't 
have to name both .BITNET and .bitnet.  The relay names are used only by AMDS, 
not the user-interface components, so it doesn't matter whether you point them 
at rutgers.edu or not.

}
I thought that was so, but had defined them just in case. (Our sendmail

takes care of it automatically).


\quotation{Are you using a domain resolver?  Does it work?  Hm--could be that 
your resolver doesn't know what domain extensions to try if your gethostname() 
name isn't fully-qualified.

}
See above.  /etc/resolv.conf is definitely configured properly.

The problem is not with non-fully-qualified hosts, so that was the

first thing I checked. Considering that calling gethostbyname

on a .rutgers.edu host (without the .rutgers.edu) returns a valid

entry, it points directly at ams.


\quotation{The routine that checks for mail-domain validation can look in any 
of:

}\leftindent{\quotation{- the domain system, either MX&A or just A RRs

}\quotation{- /etc/hosts

}}\quotation{\leftindent{- the gethostbyname() routine (basically for YP 
integration) in case gethostbyname() in your environment is a stub for some 
other name system.}

}
Yes, and  gethostbyname gets called, but the host validation still fails.


\quotation{If you want to just check your host name validation, cd to the 
object directory for your current platform under 
\{andrew-objects\}/overhead/mail/lib, and say

}\quotation{	% make valhost.test

}\quotation{When it finishes, it will have made a ``valhost.test'' program 
that you can run.  It will prompt you for a host name to validate.  Give it 
your favorite name and it will tell you all that it finds.  It's most useful 
if you've compiled your resolver with debugging enabled.

}
\quotation{		Craig

}
I'll try it.


Rakeh Patel.


Rakesh Patel

Systems Programmer, Rutgers University

rapatel@rutgers.edu

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\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 17-Mar-92 Re: 
Messages/cui/vui bugs? Rocky - Rakesh Patel@the (3327+0)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{Our resolver code is in libc, and gethostbyname 
doescalls the resolver

}}\quotation{\quotation{on ou machines instead of YP. I belive this was done 
at Rutgers

}}\quotation{\quotation{out of a historical context from SunOS 3.x. The 
resolver is properly configured and checks for the .rutgers.edu domain.

}}
\quotation{If you're talking about sun4c_411, I may have the answer.  We 
create our own version of /usr/lib/libresolv.a that is shared.  Unfortunately, 
we use it even if LIBRESOLV is empty, like for the case of using the resolver 
code in libc.  

}
\quotation{You should go into andrew/atk/apps/Makefile and search for RESLIBS. 
 If RESLIBS is set to something, make it empty.  Then recompile in that 
directory with:

}
\quotation{% make Install

}
Thanks, that was the problem. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, 
(hopefully the Imakefile witll be fixed in the next release?)There was one 
thing I found interesting with getstats.  When getstats is setgid kmem on a 
Sun under SunOS 4.1.1,  it can't find the disk usage info. When I made it 
setuid root, it was able to gather disk statistics as well.  I didn't look at 
the source yet, but the difference would seem to indicate that it needs access 
to other than the kernel for the disk info. I'd prefer to keep it setgid kmem 
rather than setuid root, so if anyone has already looked at this one...


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I wanted to keep a .signature file for netnews which is

normal text, and wanted a customized signature for andrew.

After prowling through the source, I discovered that a .sig

file is checked for before checking for a .signature file, so

I set up a .sig file for messages and left a normal .signature

for other programs that use it. There seems to be a slight

problem with that in that sometimes the .sig file included,

and at other times the .signature file is included instead.

I haven't looked at the code yet (out in San Diego right now),

but if anyoneknows exactly what the problem is and has a patch,

I'd like to know. If not, I'll try to fix the problem.


Rakesh Patel.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Mar-92 Re: Messages/cui/vui bugs? 
Rocky - Rakesh Patel@the (3327+0)}


\quotation{\quotation{Are you using a domain resolver?  Does it work? 
 Hm--could be that your resolver doesn't know what domain extensions to try if 
your gethostname() name isn't fully-qualified.

}}
\quotation{See above.  /etc/resolv.conf is definitely configured properly.

}\quotation{The problem is not with non-fully-qualified hosts, so that was the

}\quotation{first thing I checked. Considering that calling gethostbyname

}\quotation{on a .rutgers.edu host (without the .rutgers.edu) returns a valid

}\quotation{entry, it points directly at ams.

}
\quotation{\quotation{The routine that checks for mail-domain validation can 
look in any of:

}}\leftindent{\quotation{\quotation{- the domain system, either MX&A or just A 
RRs

}}\quotation{\quotation{- /etc/hosts

}}}\quotation{\quotation{\leftindent{- the gethostbyname() routine (basically 
for YP integration) in case gethostbyname() in your environment is a stub for 
some other name system.}

}}
\quotation{Yes, and  gethostbyname gets called, but the host validation still 
fails.

}
Having ThisDomain set to ``.rutgers.edu'' with the leading dot would have 
screwed up validation of local names.


If I were trying to do validation by the domain system, I'd have set 
AMS_DeliveryViaDomainAddress and/or AMS_DeliveryViaDomainMXAddress--the latter 
since your sendmail probably understands MX records, but gethostbyname() 
cannot.  I'd be interested in what the ``valhost.test'' program shows you, 
since with your configuration it should be simply a call to gethostbyname() 
and nothing else.


AMS isn't responsible for what your local gethostbyname() does or doesn't do, 
so if it doesn't add default domain suffixes, you'll have to check 
gethostbyname() itself.


		Craig

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I'm kind of surprised .signature is still checked.  What I use is two
files:  .sig and .sig.fmt.  The former is used if the mail is
plain-text-only, and the latter is used if it contains ANY styles or
insets.  It seems to work for me... -- Nathaniel
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From: prism!gt0963d@gatech.edu  (Deeptendu Majumder)
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I was wondering which programs I need to tweak if I
want to put in a file selction widget like "Selfile"
that returns the name of a selected file; when EZ
prompts for a file name..

I think there is probably one program that prompts
the user when a filename is needed. But it is hard
to find it among the huge number of files Andrew
has.

Thanks a lot
deeptendu

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Printing ez documents with tables of contents does not work for
me, and I do not know why. I'm trying to use ezprint to print
this document with its table of contents. The contents surely
exists because I can open a contents window and see that it is
there.

I can also see that the generated troff contains lots of lines
similar to

	.IC 1 Title NO

I examine tmac.atk and find that this should cause a table of
contents to be printed. In fact I find that placing .TC at the
end of my document (and using Format Note) causes the contents
to print.

I examine farther and find that .BT handles bottom traps. When
the end macro (.EM) sets Tc=2, .BT sets Tc=3 and calls .TC. The
trouble is, .TC in this context doesn't work.

	.tm call TC from bottom
	.	TC
	.tm done

I put .tm statements around the call to .TC in .BT and find that
.TC doesn't complete. And this is where my troff skill runs out.

I'm using groff: my format string is

	geqn -Tps /tmp/%s.n | groff -Tps |

and this works well enough (except for no contents, of course).
I also tried

	ezprint -t -c document | groff -Tps

and of course got the same results.

There was a time when this worked, and I got my table of contents.
I do not know what happened to cause this: maybe switching to groff
or trying to print during a full moon. Is this a common problem
with a common solution?

--Stephen Williams
steve@netcom.com
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Dear Andrew users,

Our university wants to set up a local bulletin board and mail system to support
the communication between students and staff.

At the campus we use the following platforms:

- sun 3's	(sunos 4.1)
- sun 4's	(sunos 4.1)
- decstations	(ultrix 4.2)
- pc's
- mac's

The unix systems use the NFS filesystem.

We came across the Andrew Toolkit, and we were very impressed. The intergration of
several tools, multi-media in mail, uniform interface towards mail and bulletin board,
availability of mac- and pc hosted messages clients, ....; it was exactly what we were
looking for.

However, the ATK seems very much dependant on the AFS, and we are very much dependant on
NFS. We ftp-ed the sources from emsworth (ATK 5.0.0) and compiled it with the following 
settings:

/* KUN-local overrides to the distributed system.mcr file./*

        BASEDIR = /home7/harcoh/andrew_inst

        XUTILDIR = /usr/local/bin/X11

        RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

 
/* KUN-local overrides to the distributed system.h file. */

#ifndef AMS_ENV
#define AMS_ENV 1
#endif /* AMS_ENV */

#ifndef SNAP_ENV
#define SNAP_ENV 1
#endif /* SNAP_ENV */

#ifndef MK_BASIC_UTILS
#define MK_BASIC_UTILS 1
#endif /* MK_BASIC_UTILS */

#ifdef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV
#undef FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV
#endif /* FONTS_TO_PCF_ENV */

#ifdef DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV
#undef DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV
#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /home7/harcoh/andrew_inst
#endif /* DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV */

#define ISO80_FONTS_ENV 1

#define MK_AUTHORING 1

#define MK_AUX_UTILS 1

#define MK_AUX_INSETS 1

#define MK_EXAMPLES 1


- Is it possible with this configuration to create local bulletin boards?
  (e.q. All the messages on one local server who exports its disk volumes to others.)
- What settings are important to make ATK work on non-AFS systems?
- Can MacMessages and the PC interface be used without AMS Deliver?
  (Where can we find the sources for MacMessages and PCMessages?)
- Ez and all the other tools seems to work fine, but Messages has troubles sending
  messages. No messages arrive, the sendmail deamon seems unable to deliver the
  messages.
- Printing from ez is not possible. We changed some settings in AndrewSetup but we
  cannot figure out the FormatCommand
	eqn -T$PRINTERTYPE /tmp/%s.n | troff -T$PRINTERTYPE - |
  Our eqn doesn't accept a -T flag nor does our troff (we don't have ditroff).
  How do we print the documentation in andrew format on a laser printer?
- Does someone in the Netherlands use ATK?


Many thanks in advance,


       
Harco de Hilster
University of Nijmegen
The Netherlands
email: harcoh@cs.kun.nl
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Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 20-Mar-92 Installing ATK on non-AFS
s.. Harco de Hilster@uunet.u (2694)

> - Is it possible with this configuration to create local bulletin boards?
>   (e.q. All the messages on one local server who exports its disk
> volumes to others.)

Yes, absolutely, we have well over 2000 such bulletin boards at
Bellcore, and we don't have AFS.

> - What settings are important to make ATK work on non-AFS systems?

If you compile without AFS_ENV defined, you should have them essentially
set right already.

> - Can MacMessages and the PC interface be used without AMS Deliver?
>   (Where can we find the sources for MacMessages and PCMessages?)

I don't know about source availability, but yes, they will deliver with
sendmail or any other delivery system, as configured with the
> AndrewSetup file.

> - Ez and all the other tools seems to work fine, but Messages has
> troubles sending
>   messages. No messages arrive, the sendmail deamon seems unable to deliver the
>   messages.

What kind of rejections do you get?  Read the AndrewSetup help file, and
> look at the "OldSendmailProgram" configuration option.
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 17-Mar-92 Re: Messages: font preferences 
Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (755+0)}


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}\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 
16-Mar-92 Re: Messages: font preferences Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (1419)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{What makes the difference for us is whether or not 
.preferences is included as an X resource in our X resource database.  Adding 
.preferences to the database makes fonts display correctly, and removing the 
information causes the unwanted 12 point fonts to appear.

}}
\quotation{I'm sorry to say I don't understand what is going on here at all... 
The only part of ATK which even looks at X resources is the popup menu system. 
 xrdb -mergeing preferences is wrong, and won't necessarily work...  

}

Oops, right--this simply illustrates peculiar X server behavior, probably 
unrelated to the Andrew problem.


On closer inspection, it looks like the \italic{messages} font problem might 
be caused by a software bug that confuses the global preferences file 
 ($\{ANDREWDIR\}/lib/global.prf) with the user's preferences file 
(~/preferences or ~/.preferences or ~/.Xdefaults).


The same problem, I believe, accounts for the fact that if you create a 
"~/.preferences" file, then modify \italic{messages} options via the 
\italic{messages} "set options" menu, the new options will be saved in 
"~/preferences", rather than in "~/.preferences".


The problem perhaps lies in the source program, overhead/util/lib/setprof.c. 
 Though not immediately obvious, the logic is the following piece of code, 
beginning at about line 77, looks suspicious:



\typewriter{    if (!(profileFileName = GetProfileFileName()) ||

         access(profileFileName, W_OK))

        if (!(profileFileName = GetFirstProfileFileName()))  /* ~/preferences 
*/            return -1;}




The trouble spot is in checking for write access on "profileFileName".   The 
file, "profileFileName", can sometimes refer to the user's preferences file, 
and sometimes to the global preferences file.  This piece of code checks to 
ensure that the preferences file is writable, and fails over if found 
not-writable.  The problem, I'm speculating, is that since the global 
preferences file, $\{ANDREWDIR\}/lib/global.prf, is *not* writable, this code 
is capable of causing an erroneous logical branch, depending on how its 
called.  


This theory can be tested by overriding the global preferences file with an 
environment variable that specifies a *writable* global preferences file.  For 
example, if you set the following global preferences file:

\typewriter{
	%  cp /usr/andrew/lib/global.prf /tmp/global.prf

	%  chmod +w /tmp/global.prf

	%  setenv GLOBALPREFERENCES /tmp/global.prf}


then the font problem disappears.


For testing purposes, I used the following user's preferences file, which 
displays 14 point fixed -width fonts only when the global preferences files is 
overridden with the environment variable illustrated above:


	\typewriter{messages.BinaryOptions:0x0/0x8000, 0x0/0x20000

	messages.FontSize:14

	messages.bodyfont: andytype14f

	messages.FontFamily:andytype

}

This test is not to suggest that the global preferences file should be made 
writable--it clearly should be read-only and can cause problems if made 
writable.  


Perhaps somebody more familiar with this code could shed more light, but on 
quick inspection, it looks like you might want to remove the write-access 
check from overhead/util/lib/setprof.c, as illustrated in the following diff:


\typewriter{77c77,78

<     if (!(profileFileName = GetProfileFileName())

---

>     if (!(profileFileName = GetProfileFileName()) ||

>        access(profileFileName, W_OK)) }






Bob Dew

National Institues of Health

Bethesda, MD

rdew@alw.nih.gov

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Subject: Compiling ATK with gcc

We are trying to compile the ATK with gcc on a Sun3 running SunOS 4.0.
We had some problems concerning the linker, because one class, boxview, included
a header file which was modified by gcc (in comparison to the normal Sun
includes) to use a gcc-specific library function. Since the gcc compiler is only
used for compiling, not for linking, the Andrew class system doesn't know
anything about the gcc library. We were able to modify the makedo shell script
to include the gcc library. However, the doindex binary complained about the
undefined symbol and we couldn't figure out how to modify doindex. The way we
solved the problem was to remodify the modified header file (assert.h) so that
the gcc-lib function (it's __eprintf) isn't used any more.
Now there's the question, are there any experiences compiling ATK and ATK
applications with gcc and is there any configuration option that allows adding
libraries to the class system? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Erik Wilde
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zuerich)
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Subject:  R5 problems

I just installed R5 on Ultrix 4.2 (DECstation 5000) and have several problems.

First, applications (e.g., ez and messages) die on certain keystrokes in
text windows, notably ^N, ^E, ^A.

Messages dies when I select "Search Captions Forward" from the menu.

Scrollbars seem to assume that fg is darker than bg.  I always run the other
way (fg lighter than bg) because it's easier on the eyes.  The scrollbars
come out inverted, i.e., raised where they should be recessed, and vice versa.

I don't want to set my scrollbar colors in preferences, because I have things
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We compile ATK with gcc for the vax by default.
There IS an option to do the right thing.

In site.h set GNU_ENV as follows:

#define GNU_ENV 1

In my site.mcr, I have the following:

#ifdef GNU_ENV
        GNULIB = /mit/gnu/vaxlib/gcc-gnulib
        /* -pipe is optional; it will improve performance on systems
           with slow disks (e.g. VAX 3100 with rz23) */
        CC = gcc -pipe
        CDEBUGFLAGS = -O -g
#endif /* GNU_ENV */

I suspect the reason why none of this is documented in the README file
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of us who do bothered to supply copy...

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Is anyone aware of an effort to port ATK to SVR4/386 or something similar?
Should the SCO port work as is?  I'm looking into doing this, but am trying
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Subject: Making format notes more obvious.

Here at MIT, the most common source of problems with EZ is when some
clueless user, in trying to insert a single troff command inadvertently
makes his whole document in the "Format Note" style.

I have modified my local drawtxtv.c so that if something is styled with
style_PassThru, it will draw a line through the text on the screen.

Do people think this is the way format notes should be made to work everywhere?

Does anyone care to suggest a way of binding the operation to a
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Andrew is supported for AIX 3.1 on the IBM RS6k, but are there any special
considerations required for AIX Release 3.2?  Has anybody successfully got
it working under 3.2 yet?

-- 
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Mar-92 Making format 
notes more ob.. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (610)}


\quotation{I have modified my local drawtxtv.c so that if something is styled 
with

}\quotation{style_PassThru, it will draw a line through the text on the 
screen.

}
\quotation{Do people think this is the way format notes should be made to work 
everywhere?

}
I think some visible indication of the FormatNote style would be a HUGE win. 
 I don't know about a line through the text, but ANYTHING would be an 
improvement.


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Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 26-Mar-92 Making format notes more
ob.. Bill Cattey@RCHGATE.rchl (609)

> Does anyone care to suggest a way of binding the operation to a
> preference in such a way that screen update will not be slowed down by
> searching for a preference inside the line redraw?

How about fetching the preference just once and holding it as ``class
data'' (i.e. static's) inside drawtxtv?  You could put it in
InitializeClass, but beware because often the application name is not
set in InitializeClass.

-todd inglett
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Subject: Question on console and chart

Hi,
   I would like to monitor some real-time activity.   I am considering
both console (via DisplayType) and chart.  My data changes slowly and
low sampling rate is fine.  I like console, because I need to send only
the new data; and I like chart because we can add lables, use various
display types (histogram, pie), print them, etc. 

Questions:
1. In HP-UX, how can I use the External Function available in console? 
Some examples will be useful.

2. Can I use chart in the following manner?   Set a refresh rate (say 5,
meaning 5 times a minute); and refresh the file being chart-ed.  The
real-time process can modify the file as and when the data changes.   If
this is possible, any suggestions/hints  (via ness or otherwise) will be
usefil.

This is for a prototype  purposes only;  All ideas are welcome.

Thanks a lot,
Regards,
Chandra Venkatra.man

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Date: 26 Mar 92 02:33:24 GMT
From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>Is anyone aware of an effort to port ATK to SVR4/386 or something similar?
>Should the SCO port work as is?

Probably not.  For example:

1) SCO's pseudo-tty mechanism is probably different from SVR4's
   mechanism.

2) SCO uses COFF, so you'd need a COFF-based dynamic loader.

   SVR4 uses ELF, so you'd need an ELF-based dynamic loader.

   The good news is that SVR4 *already comes with such a loader*; it has
   the same "dlopen()" interface that SunOS 4.1[.x] has (actually, it's
   the other way around; AT&T devised the interface, SunOS 4.x supplied
   some of the underpinnings of the SVR4 implementation, and SunOS
   4.1[.x] also picked up the interface and put it atop its
   implementation).

   So if anybody out there is contemplating writing such a dynamic
   loader for ELF, they should STOP RIGHT NOW and just grab the SunOS
   4.1[.x] dynamic loading code for ATK - it uses the "dlopen()"
   interface.

   (At least half the reason I did the "dlopen()" interface was to make
   sure nobody decided to whip up their own code to read and relocate
   ELF images.)

The nice thing is that an SVR4/386 port of ATK would probably require
*only* new versions of those damn assembler-language stubs to be an
SVR4/<something else> port, and stubs already exist for 68K, SPARC,
MIPS, and some other architectures - they might only need some tweaking
for different assembler-language syntax and different ways of doing
SVR4-style position-independent code.  (And if ATK were put atop
something that didn't require those stubs, it'd be even better....)
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Subject: Clarity/Rapport?

Anyone know what Clarity Rapport really is?  It seems to be Andrew
underneath -- it uses the Andrew help tool, in fact!  When I have the
old X11R4 version of Andrew installed in my environment (PATH and
CLASSPATH vars set), the demo copy of Rapport we have here seems to work
OK, but when I install the X11R5 release of Andrew, it seems to break
Rapport (in exactly the same way that Andrew breaks when you have R5
classes on your CLASSPATH, and run the R4 runapp).  The Rapport mail
folders seem to be the same as AMS non-AMDS folders (with different
names for files like .SubscriptionMap).  The data format seems different
(possibly just a byte-compiled form of the ATK data format).

Bill
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Date: 26 Mar 92 22:15:11 GMT
From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Michael Kedem)
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Please send me an email address you know I can use. 
I tried using caf@OMEN.UUCP, but the message bounced from UUCP.

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Date: 26 Mar 92 20:30:07 GMT
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In article <138*.S=wilde.OU=komsys.OU=tik.O=ethz.PRMD=SWITCH.ADMD=ARCOM.C=CH.@MHS>, wilde@komsys.tik.ethz.ch (Erik Wilde) writes:
! We are trying to compile the ATK with gcc on a Sun3 running SunOS 4.0.
! We had some problems concerning the linker, because one class, boxview, included
! a header file which was modified by gcc (in comparison to the normal Sun
! includes) to use a gcc-specific library function. Since the gcc compiler is only
! used for compiling, not for linking, the Andrew class system doesn't know
! anything about the gcc library. We were able to modify the makedo shell script
! to include the gcc library. However, the doindex binary complained about the
! undefined symbol and we couldn't figure out how to modify doindex. The way we
! solved the problem was to remodify the modified header file (assert.h) so that
! the gcc-lib function (it's __eprintf) isn't used any more.
! Now there's the question, are there any experiences compiling ATK and ATK
! applications with gcc and is there any configuration option that allows adding
! libraries to the class system? Any help is greatly appreciated.
! 
! Erik Wilde
! Phone: +41-1-254-7009   Fax: +41-1-262-3973   Mail: wilde@komsys.tik.ethz.ch

I have a problem with ness :
/X/usr/andrew/bin/makedo -g -d /X/usr/andrew/lib -b /X/usr/andrew/bin -o lex.do
lex.o
dofix:  Undefined:  ___fixunsdfsi
doload:  Errors while processing
doindex: indexing lex.do ...doload:  Undefined symbol: ___fixunsdfsi
doload:  Errors while processing
doindex: NULL entrypoint from lex.do...program terminated!
*** Error code 1

I haven't solved it. 

This reminds me of something that exists in the port to SCO unix:

There is a macro called COMPILERLIBS, which should be set to 
/usr/local/lib/gcc-gnulib. It is used in the Imakefile in
overhead/class/machdep/sco_i386. I never quite figured out what
it does, but it solved some problems with unresolved externals from
the gcc library.


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In article <1992Mar20.225354.4189@raid.dell.com>, jrh@mustang.dell.com (Randy Howard) writes:
! 
! Is anyone aware of an effort to port ATK to SVR4/386 or something similar?
! Should the SCO port work as is?  I'm looking into doing this, but am trying
! to avoid duplicate effort.
! 
! -- 
! Randy Howard                        @'s: jrh@dell.com
! Dell Computer Corp.                 !'s: ...!uunet!dellunix!jrh  

Yes, ATK runs on SCO SV 3.2.2.
There are some minor problems compiling it - email me for the patch file.

It seems like the original SCO install program does not work with the
original Imakefiles, so you need a BSD-compatible install. The install.c 
supplied with andrew does not compile on SCO, so I ported it, though there  
probably is a pd install which is BSD-compatible and compiles on SCO.

Michael Kedem
michael@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
problems:kedem@aix1.uottawa.ca
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Date: 26 Mar 92 21:39:43 GMT
From: willis.cis.uab.edu!utkcs2!ornl!tdum.CTD.ORNL.GOV!jnm@gatech.edu  (Jamey Maze)
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Subject: ATK Consortium?
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I just got andrew built on my Sun today and am rather impressed. Could
someone answer few questions for me? 

- I'd like to find out more about the ATK Consortium, like what does it 
do, who are the current members, and how much does it cost to join. 

- Where can I get hold of the PC and Mac versions? I assume the Mac
version uses MacTCP, but whose TCP stack (e.g., FTP Software's) does the
PC version use?

- Isn't there an RFC that defines a standard for multmedia mail? How
close is AMS to meeting that standard? What other mailers can do
multimedia mail?

Thanks!
-- 
Jamey Maze                 | Computing & Telecommunications Division
Oak Ridge National Lab     | Advanced Technology Group
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"Years ago my mother said to me, 'In this world, Elwood, you must 
 be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' For years I was smart. I 
 recommend pleasant." - Elwood P. Dowd, "Harvey"
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<bold><excerpt>Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Mar-92 ATK Consort=
ium? Jamey Maze@gatech.edu (992)</excerpt></bold><nl>
<nl>
<nl>
<excerpt>- I'd like to find out more about the ATK Consortium, like what does =
it do, who are the current members, and how much does it cost to join. <nl>
</excerpt><nl>
I am sending a description of the consortium in a separate message.  Others wh=
o want the description should email to Susan Straud (susan+@andrew.cmu.edu).  =
The basic role of the consortium is to maintain a central set of sources for A=
TK incorporating corrections and enhancements from others.  We also make impro=
vements ourselves based on requests from Full Members.  <nl>
<nl>
<excerpt>- Where can I get hold of the PC and Mac versions? I assume the Mac v=
ersion uses MacTCP, but whose TCP stack (e.g., FTP Software's) does the PC ver=
sion use?<nl>
</excerpt><nl>
ATK/AMS are based on Unix.  There are PC versions for AIX, SCO Unix, and Mach =
(port in progress).  There is a version for Macintosh II MacMach.  These are s=
upported in the central sources, thanks to many generous people.<nl>
<nl>
<excerpt>- Isn't there an RFC that defines a standard for multmedia mail? How =
close is AMS to meeting that standard? What other mailers can do multimedia ma=
il?<nl>
</excerpt><nl>
Yes, the "MIME" RFC defines internet multi-media mail.  The AMS implementation=
 is the most complete implementation and will be available in April.  (It was =
written by Nathaniel Borenstein who coordinated the MIME group and wrote much =
of the AMS user interface program "messages".)<nl>
<nl>
Fred Hansen<nl>
Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium<nl>
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From: auspex-gw!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>Anyone know what Clarity Rapport really is?  It seems to be Andrew
>underneath

It sure does.  I asked Clarity tech support about this; they said, in
response to my asking "can I just use Andrew '.do' files":

	Though a lot of want [presumably "what" -gh] we do is similar to
	or based on Andrew, it is far from the same. Thus you cannot
	drop a Andrew .do file into dlib and expect it to work with
	Rapport.

Oh, well....

>The Rapport mail folders seem to be the same as AMS non-AMDS folders
>(with different names for files like .SubscriptionMap).

The person's response:

	We store the mail in what we call "Clarity format". It is
	similar to AMS by [presumably "but" -gh] not the same.

> The data format seems different (possibly just a byte-compiled form
> of the ATK data format).

Could be, although I don't know why they chose to do that.  I asked
whether Clarity supported importing ATK datastream mail; the response
was:

	We do not convert ATK datastreams. The thought has been bounced
	around, but never implemented. I will submit an enhancement
	request on this.
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>Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 26-Mar-92 Making format notes more
>ob.. Bill Cattey@athena.mit.e (610)
>
>> I have modified my local drawtxtv.c so that if something is styled with
>> style_PassThru, it will draw a line through the text on the screen.
>

In article <wdom3Ee0M2YtNnrzIZ@thumper.bellcore.com> nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) writes:

>I think some visible indication of the FormatNote style would be a HUGE
>win.  I don't know about a line through the text, but ANYTHING would be
>an improvement.

It seems to me so much easier to edit the "Format Note" style to
make the font smaller, and left indented. Real easy, no code to
modify, real obvious. Perhaps a cross-out style (like underline)
would be nice?

--Steve Williams
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\quotation{It seems to me so much easier to edit the "Format Note" style to

}\quotation{make the font smaller, and left indented. Real easy, no code to

}\quotation{modify, real obvious. Perhaps a cross-out style (like underline)

}\quotation{would be nice?

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<bold><excerpt>Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Mar-92 Re: ATK 
Consortium? Fred Hansen@andrew.cmu.e (1472+0)</excerpt></bold>
<nl>
<nl>
<nl><excerpt><excerpt>- Isn't there an RFC that defines a standard for 
multmedia mail? How close is AMS to meeting that standard? What other mailers 
can do multimedia mail?
<nl></excerpt></excerpt>
<nl><excerpt>Yes, the "MIME" RFC defines internet multi-media mail.  The AMS 
implementation is the most complete implementation and will be available in 
April.  (It was written by Nathaniel Borenstein who coordinated the MIME group 
and wrote much of the AMS user interface program "messages".)
<nl></excerpt>
<nl>A clarification:  The new verison of Andrew will have all the same 
functionality of the old version, but will be able to do a very nice job of 
READING  mail in MIME format, and will give you the option of SENDING mail in 
either the old ATK format or the new MIME format.  It's nice of Fred to call 
it the most complete MIME implementaton around, and that may be true for the 
moment, but it is the kind of claim that may not last, given how many software 
vendors are working furiously on MIME support these days.  However, it is a 
nicely integrated MIME implementation, by which I mean that it looks more or 
less like Andrew has always looked.
<nl>
<nl>As to what other mailers can "do" multimedia mail:  Using my "metamail" 
software, virtually any mail reader on UNIX or DOS (and VMS may be coming 
soon) can be given the capability to read multimedia mail in MIME format.  
Sending tools are fewer, but quite a few of them are in the pipeline as well.  
From an Andrew perspective, the key thing is that you can use MIME and 
metamail to set up your site so that everyone can read the multimedia mail 
that Andrew user generate.  -- Nathaniel
<nl>
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Oops, I'm using the new Andrew and I accidentally chose to send that last 
message to the list in MIME format rather than ATK format, which was obnoxious 
since most of you still have the old Andrew.  (Those of you with the new 
Andrew probably didn't even notice the difference.)  Anyway, here's the same 
message, but this time in ATK format:


\bold{\quotation{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 28-Mar-92 Re: ATK 
Consortium? Fred Hansen@andrew.cmu.e (1472+0)}}



\quotation{\quotation{- Isn't there an RFC that defines a standard for 
multmedia mail? How close is AMS to meeting that standard? What other mailers 
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}}
\quotation{Yes, the "MIME" RFC defines internet multi-media mail.  The AMS 
implementation is the most complete implementation and will be available in 
April.  (It was written by Nathaniel Borenstein who coordinated the MIME group 
and wrote much of the AMS user interface program "messages".)

}
A clarification:  The new verison of Andrew will have all the same 
functionality of the old version, but will be able to do a very nice job of 
READING  mail in MIME format, and will give you the option of SENDING mail in 
either the old ATK format or the new MIME format.  It's nice of Fred to call 
it the most complete MIME implementaton around, and that may be true for the 
moment, but it is the kind of claim that may not last, given how many software 
vendors are working furiously on MIME support these days.  However, it is a 
nicely integrated MIME implementation, by which I mean that it looks more or 
less like Andrew has always looked.


As to what other mailers can "do" multimedia mail:  Using my "metamail" 
software, virtually any mail reader on UNIX or DOS (and VMS may be coming 
soon) can be given the capability to read multimedia mail in MIME format. 
 Sending tools are fewer, but quite a few of them are in the pipeline as well. 
 From an Andrew perspective, the key thing is that you can use MIME and 
metamail to set up your site so that everyone can read the multimedia mail 
that Andrew user generate.  -- Nathaniel

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From: Bill Cattey <wdc@Athena.MIT.EDU>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>
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I too am interested in "clarification" of what Clarity is.
I will say that the version I ran on the Sun IPC at Uniforum was
PERCEPTABLY slower than the vanilla ATK I ran on my Sun IPC at home.

-wdc
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	<1992Mar26.203007.12972@csi.uottawa.ca>

The routine  ___fixunsdfsi

looks like a math emulation routine from libgcc.

Did you not receive my note on how to make compiling include libgcc?
I repeat:

add to site.h:

#define GNU_ENV 1

add to site.mcr:

#ifdef GNU_ENV
        GNULIB = /mit/gnu/vaxlib/gcc/vax-bsd/2.0/libgcc.a
        /* -pipe is optional; it will improve performance on systems
           with slow disks (e.g. VAX 3100 with rz23) */
        CC = gcc -pipe
        CDEBUGFLAGS = -O -g
#endif /* GNU_ENV */

NOTE!  You must correctly name the path of your libgcc.a in the GNULIB
definition.

You may need to do a make Clean and remake from scratch.
It's time consuming but it's WORTH IT!

-wdc
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Yes, a bit obnoxious -- Fred's message was also richtext rather than ATK
format:  what a pain!

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Huh -- I didn't even notice that Fred's was in the wrong format.  I'm
sure everyone using the new version will try to avoid this mistake, but
this is a good argument for people switching to the new version ASAP
when it becomes available!  

Of course, the gain that you get for your pain is that your enhanced
email becomes interoperable with a substantial (and growing) set of
non-Andrew programs.

Perhaps the ATK consortium should set a target date by which it
encourages all Andrew users to upgrade, after which we can all feel
freer about using MIME format?  -- Nathaniel
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We are programming with ATK on SUN SPARC 2 and 3 Xterminals.
Errormessages are automatically displayed in the console error log.
Unfortunately the messages are rooted only to the first console
found, so the programmer won't we aware of runtime errors unless
he is sitting in front of this console.
We can open several consoles, but the error logs are only displayed
at the frist console started.
Are there any solutions to that problem?

By the way, the SUN workstation is running a driver for console
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Hi....

We're trying to get ATK 5.0.0 to work on our DECstations/DECsystems,
but we've run into a bit of a problem: ATK only works properly on
out single DECstation 5000/200 w. colour & motif, and not on our
less advanced boxes that "only" have monochrome screens & plain
X11r5 (no motif).

Any suggestions?????

P.S.: we're running ULTRIX 4.2 (and a single ULTRIX 4.0)
		and X11r5 (X11r4)


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Subject: Position available in ATK Consortium

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The Andrew Toolkit Consortium has room for an additional programmer / 
maintainer for the Andrew Toolkit and the Andrew Message System.  I've 
appended the job description below.  


If you'd like to join the team, please send me your resume.


	Fred Hansen

	Director, Andrew Toolkit Consortium

	238 UCCB

	4910 Forbes Ave.

	Pittsburgh, PA 15213


- - - - - - - - - - - - - 


Job Title:  Systems Programmer


Job description:


The Andrew Toolkit is a large GUI software system which provides an 
environment for interactive computing in use by thousands of people at dozens 
of sites.  A key feature is that compound text can be cut and pasted between 
applications across the entire spectrum of ATK applications.  The Andrew 
Toolkit Consortium is responsible for maintaining the toolkit software by 
making enhancements, correcting bugs, and incorporating improvements made 
elsewhere.  


The individual in this position will be responsible for correcting errors in, 
and enhancing portions of, the Andrew Toolkit source code.  Error correction 
includes--but is not limited to--initial problem examination, estimate of 
effort to repair, determination of a repair strategy, execution of the repair, 
testing of the result, and installation within the source code, including 
proper documentation of the effort.  Making enhancements additionally includes 
study of alternative approaches and recommending one.  The individual will 
further be responsible for other programming tasks as assigned.  The group is 
small and some non-programming effort may also be necessary.


Requirements:  BS in Math or Computer Science, C and Unix programming 
experience, knowledge of the assembly language for at least one computer, 
experience utilizing at least one object code debugger.  It is desirable that 
the candidate also have experience in at least one of these areas:  reading 
and revising the source code of the Andrew Toolkit or the Andrew Message 
System, sendmail configuration, SGML structures and DTD's, PostScript,  OLE, 
CORBA, X Windows, Xt, or Motif.

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-> For the problems starting up apps to display on another machine the most
-> common problems are:
-> 
-> not xhost'ed

     Yup it was.

-> no DISPLAY environment variable

     Yup it was too.

-> a mis-configuration of the use or lack thereof of a resolver library. 
-> (see RESOLVER_ENV in the top level README)

     I have the RESOLVER_ENV defined as 1 in the site.h
     and the RESOLVLIB is not set (set to the default.)
     Because the resolver code is in lobc.a.

-> -Rob Ryan
-> Andrew Toolkit Consortium


And I still get the following errors:

nmt -Tpsc /home/harbor3/robb/Other/Letters/follow_up | preview
Starting preview (Version 7.0, ATK 5.0.0); please wait...
Could not open the display; this program will not run without a window system.
preview: Could not create new window; exiting.

Can you think of any other errors that I might have made, or that
have crept in due to installing here at Purdue?

thanks again

-- mike
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From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael Kedem)
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In article <1992Mar20.094326.6965@sci.kun.nl>, harcoh@cs.kun.nl (Harco de Hilster) writes:

!Printing from ez is not possible. We changed some settings in AndrewSetup but we
!   cannot figure out the FormatCommand
! 	eqn -T$PRINTERTYPE /tmp/%s.n | troff -T$PRINTERTYPE - |
!   Our eqn doesn't accept a -T flag nor does our troff (we don't have ditroff).
!   How do we print the documentation in andrew format on a laser printer?
! - Does someone in the Netherlands use ATK?
! 

The easiest way to print Andrew documents is by using groff, the gnu troff
package. (ftp it from your closest gnu archive, I use ftp.uu.net, but
you probably have a closer alternative). 
[It should have said so in the README file]

FormatCommand:
PrintCommand: groff -pte -Tps -E /tmp/%s.n | lp -d laser
(I didn't succeed in making preview work yet)


That will also allow printing out of the documentation on a laser printer,
(we have a postscript printer, so your setup setup might be different).
However, since the docs fill 4 heavy binders(two sided), you might find it
worthwhile to order the hardcopy docs (about 200 US $). That also includes the
ATK tutorial book, which I found very useful. 

You mentioned PC's in your articles: If you're running SCO unix, I have some
patches for it available by anonymous ftp from popeye.genie.uottawa.ca. Write
me if you have any problems.

Michael Kedem
michael@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
problems:kedem@aix1.uottawa.ca
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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: package software
Cc: fodatec@tuvie.can.ac.at

In order to compile our pobbconf we need the package softare, mentioned in
"Installing th AMS Delivery System". We don't have it, so make stops with
error not finding mpp.
Where can we obtain th software from?
Thank you for your help.
Christian Sodomka
at KAPSCH Vienna
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