Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:06:22 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA04369 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:03:42 -0400 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA23904; Wed, 1 Jun 94 15:03:31 +0200 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA01858; Wed, 1 Jun 94 15:03:26 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 15:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4hv8QP614C7BQ5lUsh@cs.chalmers.se> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 15:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 267+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Configuring colors for both mono and color screens Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 05:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 05:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wilma.cs.city.ac.uk (wilma.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.9]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA21325; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 05:31:13 -0400 Received: by wilma.cs.city.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0q996h-00001VC; Thu, 2 Jun 94 10:30 BST Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.wilma.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.wilma.cs.city.ac.uk.sun4_41; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 10:30:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <8hvOOv2__5g9EltBNy@cs.city.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 10:30:35 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Williams Summary: How about adding "Save as..." to the Andrew system? To: rr2b@andrew.cmu.edu, wjh@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Different save file formats & the Andrew Toolkit CC: Nick Williams It's got to the point where most of my htmltext widget is working and I've been thinking about how to get to the next stage in development: HTML+. From the WWW conference, it became evident that HTML+ has been designed for ATK :-). The fit is remarkable w.r.t. tables and equations and just about everything. However, the inline images I've placed into htmltext so far are more or less a hack. Before going any further and creating new objects to fit into the HTML model, it's time to look at the way things work. I believe the "correct" way would be to allow any object to write itself out as HTML. Or not. Currently, objects know how to write themselves out as ATK datastreams and that's it. Oh and there's printing. IMHO these should be the same thing. The one being the write method using as its output stream an open file, and the other using as its output stream a command pipeline. The problem here is only one of formats: what language should be written? postscript, ATK stream or HTML or something else. I feel that it would be good to say to a text window "Save as..." and select RTF. Or select "Load as..." and read in HTML. This would also gain immense popularity from the word processing market. Are there any plans to move in this direction from the consortium? My ideas are that objects should register (or have registered upon them by other utility objects) a mapping between input/output format (e.g. "html" or "rtf" or "atk") and a routine. Then when the user selects save as RTF, the "system" can check to see if there is a mapping and call the correct function (or error) (or call a fallback function for that markup language or object). If the user selects just "load" or "save", then the self->defaultOutputFunction() or self->defaultInputFunction() should be called, which could be changed to be a different method when using different formats. Then htmltext would become an object which attaches itself to the text object by registering a read and a write method for HTML, and when used, sets the text object's defaultInput and defaultOutputFunction to be the HTML versions. All of the other bogosity I have in the htmltext object could then be moved into utility objects working on any old text object, rather than special cases. This provides a good route for expansion into different markup languages, as you can build a new object (say SGML) which registers with all objects it can grok that it can perform read or write for them. And when it works wonderfully and everyone likes it, you could move it into the objects themselves (if desired). It allows arbitrary objects to be written out. Currently the mail object understands writing out subviews as "An ATK view was here but you can't cope with it", instead it should call the "text/plain" write method of the object in consideration, which if not defined by an object will use a fallback which writes out "sorry, cannot write out in this format". I would really really like this way of doing things, because I could then just make html.c object which can take a table and write it out /read it in, or text and do likewise and it would just work wonderfully. Users would be able to use all of the currently working ATK objects in the normal way (i.e. Meta-tab to insert an object) without me having to subclass everything and force users to use a particular set of objects. Comments? Is somebody else thinking/doing this? Should I go ahead and do this? Should I really not do this for some good reason and carry on with my htmlbogosity object? Nick Williams, Systems Architecture Research Centre, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. UK. Web: http://web.cs.city.ac.uk/finger?njw E-mail: njw@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME and ATK) Work Telephone: +44 71 477 8551 Work Fax: +44 71 477 8587 Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Nick Williams Subject: Re: Different save file formats & the Andrew Toolkit In-Reply-To: <8hvOOv2__5g9EltBNy@cs.city.ac.uk> References: <8hvOOv2__5g9EltBNy@cs.city.ac.uk> Excerpts from mail: 2-Jun-94 Different save file formats.. Nick Williams@cs.city.ac (3789) > My ideas are that objects should register (or have registered upon them > by other utility objects) a mapping between input/output format (e.g. > "html" or "rtf" or "atk") and a routine. One thing to consider is whether the current "Read/WriteOtherFormat" could suffice. Currently it is hardcoded to produce mime though, and the interface reflects that. Excerpts from mail: 2-Jun-94 Different save file formats.. Nick Williams@cs.city.ac (3789) > Comments? Is somebody else thinking/doing this? Should I go ahead and > do this? Should I really not do this for some good reason and carry on > with my htmlbogosity object? I like the notion of registering converters for various classes to various output formats. With the current architecture I would expect it to be quite painful to write the converters for text though. (witness the htmlbogosity :-) There is also the issue that if you don't use the htmlbogosity you may need to deal somehow with constructs which just don't fit the html mold, or in general the mold of any given format. A format which doesn't do style nesting might be an example. The main reason not to work on this presently is that development of the C version of AUIS is frozen here. We're moving on to the C++ version, depending on the degree of change called for by your work in the base toolkit integrating your changes into the C++ version could be painful. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-Message-ID: ReSent-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Robert Andrew Ryan ReSent-To: Info-Andrew X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew Path: andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!rr2b+ From: Robert Andrew Ryan Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Re: Configuring colors for both mono and color screens Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 10:10:51 -0400 Organization: Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4hv8QP614C7BQ5lUsh@cs.chalmers.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <4hv8QP614C7BQ5lUsh@cs.chalmers.se> Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 1-Jun-94 Configuring colors for both.. Christer Bernerus@CS.CHA (355) > How do I set up a default configuration for all my users so that the > color setup (backgrounds etc) is different on color and monochrome > displays ? You'll have to have some environment variable set indicating whether to use color or mono. See the preferences help file for info on conditional preferences. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr13/wjh/dlists/mts.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr13/wjh/dlists/mts.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan X-Andrew-Message-Size: 347+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: alter To: +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr13/wjh/dlists/mts.dl@andrew.cmu.edu, tinglett@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: Input Focus In-Reply-To: References: Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VNET.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [192.239.48.4]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA28851 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:30:56 -0400 Received: from RCHLAND by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0894; Thu, 02 Jun 94 16:30:24 EDT Reply-To: "Todd Inglett" Received: by po1 (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.7) id for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:09 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from q.rchland.ibm.com via qmail ID ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs.aix32 via MS.5.6.q.rchland.ibm.com.rs_aix32; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:59:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Inglett X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2340+0 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 If-Type-Unsupported: send To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Different save file formats & the Andrew Toolkit In-Reply-To: <8hvOOv2__5g9EltBNy@cs.city.ac.uk> References: <8hvOOv2__5g9EltBNy@cs.city.ac.uk> Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:53:06 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA03330; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:49:19 -0400 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA23210; Fri, 3 Jun 94 14:49:15 +0200 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA01452; Fri, 3 Jun 94 14:49:11 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:49:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:49:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 2800+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Info-Andrew , Gary Keim Subject: Re: Batmail/Ezmail/MacMail In-Reply-To: References: Distribution: world I'll try to bring up an old subject here: AMS Mail clients (other than messages). In November-93 I asked about the AMS mailers EzMail and batmail. I got the following answer. Excerpts from info-andrew: 1-Dec-93 Re: Batmail/Ezmail Gary Keim@andrew.cmu.edu (705+0) We had started an effort to build and test Ezail and Macmail, which comes from the CMU campus computing group, but I think that it got temporarily shelved. That's too bad, IMHO, because it would make AMS much more viable to large organizations. Of course, VUI comes with the standard AUIS release and that's what I happen to use. -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium Since then, almost nothing has happened. At least, I haven't seen or heard anything. I eventually sent a letter to advisor+@andrew.cmu.edu asking about the availability, and indeed, I actually got an answer saying he had forwarded my request to the people in charge. Since then, nothing happened again. (The answer from advisor took about a week, then another week has passed -- but maybe I'm too impatient :-) I strongly agree with Gary that AMS (and AUIS with it ) would be a lot more viable with these tools, but since they doesn't seem to be available outside of CMU at all, I think we won't see AMS (or AUIS) usage grow here, which I think is too bad since the system have a lot to offer compared to the standard Unix sendmail/ucbmail/elm/news etc. based systems. These two systems are however mutually incompatible so that a user must decide which system to use in the future. The way back is quite a rough one. You cannot use messages at work, and elm at home. Since a lot of our teachers and researceers do a lot of work at home (where they don't have an X based workstation with high bandwidth network access) people tend to stay using elm, ucbmail, or whatever, and the usage base never reach the critical limit where the value of multimedia mail or bboards becomes visible. I know that there is work going on at CMU to create a completely new Mail&Messages system, and maybe this could be interesting in the future. At the present, though, I wouldn't be prepared to market (testing maybe) such a change here since the code must be quite fresh yet. AMS however has been in production use for quite a long time and seems to be quite reliable. If the necessary code and relevant documentation are made available, I'm prepared to do quite a bit of work to get these tools built, test them on our system (which is non-AFS and non-AMDS) and report any necessary changes back. This is also to say that you don't have to bother too much with the code, just decide whether it can be made available. Sincerely Christer Bern=E9rus UNIX systems manager Dept. of Computing Science Chalmers University of Technology / University of G=F6teborg Gothenburg / Sweden Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:59:56 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tigger.jvnc.net (tigger.jvnc.net [128.121.50.145]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA11553 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from nsb.fv.com (guppy.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA09024 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu); Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:56:11 -0400 Received: by nsb.fv.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12242; Mon, 6 Jun 94 10:56:25 EDT Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.nsb.fv.com.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.nsb.fv.com.sun4_41; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4hwnYKX0Eyt5JiGEQY@nsb.fv.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein X-Andrew-Message-Size: 675+0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Configuring colors for both mono and color screens In-Reply-To: References: <4hv8QP614C7BQ5lUsh@cs.chalmers.se> Distribution: world Excerpts from info-andrew: 1-Jun-94 Re: Configuring colors for .. Robert Andrew Ryan@andre (459) > How do I set up a default configuration for all my users so that the > color setup (backgrounds etc) is different on color and monochrome > displays ? You'll have to have some environment variable set indicating whether to use color or mono. See the preferences help file for info on conditional preferences. An additional note on how to do this: if you have a default .login that you can also configure, you can probably use the output of "xset q" to determine how to set the environment variable that will be later used for your conditional preferences. -- Nathaniel Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:59:33 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01035 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:56:21 -0400 Received: from hatti4.cs.chalmers.se by animal.cs.chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA04609; Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:56:16 +0200 Received: by hatti4 (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA00608; Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:56:12 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hatti4.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.hatti4.pmax_ul4; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:56:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:56:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer Bernerus X-Andrew-Message-Size: 1005+1 Content-Type: X-BE2; 12 To: Info-Andrew Subject: Re: problems with incoming mail -- Linux In-Reply-To: <2t2im2$7ou@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <2t2im2$7ou@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Distribution: inet Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CSMain (jima.slip.netcom.com [192.187.158.13]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28883 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 17:40:25 -0400 Received: by CSMain (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0qBb8z-0001kGC; Wed, 8 Jun 94 20:51 PDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 20:51 PDT From: jima@netcom.com (Jim Avera) To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: doload_FileExist missing in auis-6.3 (telmat_svr4) Reply-To: jima@netcom.com Hello, I am trying to port andrew 6.3 to i386 SVR4 (ESIX 4.04, to be precise), and am using code from the "telmat_svr4" machine-dependent parts. There appears to be a missing file or function definition: ./overhead/class/machdep/telmat_svr4/doload.c refers to "doload_FileExist()", which is not defined *anywere* (I grepped every file in the distribution). It appears intended to locate a file in one of the directories specified by the CLASSPATH env variable and return its pathname. As yet I know almost nothing about Andrew, so I'm stumped. Question: Is there a missing file? How did telmat_svr4 ever build? Thanks for any help any of you can give. -Jim Avera (jima@netcom.com) Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CSMain (jima.slip.netcom.com [192.187.158.13]) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA24609 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:52:24 -0400 Received: by CSMain (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0qE1ub-0001k6C; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:50 PDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:50 PDT From: jima@netcom.com (Jim Avera) To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: makedepent: warn: im.h includes view.ih more than once: OK? Reply-To: jima@netcom.com When building auis-6.3 on SVR4 with XFree86 (X11R5), I get many warnings like the following. Do they indicate a real problem? Are they normal? Thanks for any help. -Jim Avera (jima@netcom.com) /usr/X386/bin/makedepend: warning: im.ih includes view.ih more than once! Already have /usr/include/stdio.h view.ih /usr/X386/bin/makedepend: warning: im.eh includes view.ih more than once! Already have /usr/include/stdio.h view.ih /usr/X386/bin/makedepend: warning: init.c includes environ.ih more than once! Already have /usr/andrew/include/andrewos.h /usr/andrew/include/class.h /usr/include/sys/param.h /usr/include/ctype.h /usr/include/sys/stat.h environ.ih filetype.ih proctbl.ih keymap.ih keystate.ih menulist.ih path.ih Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , jima@netcom.com Subject: Re: makedepent: warn: im.h includes view.ih more than once: OK? CC: Bulletin Board Administration In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 15-Jun-94 makedepent: warn: im.h incl.. Jim Avera@netcom.com (745) > When building auis-6.3 on SVR4 with XFree86 (X11R5), I get many warnings > like the following. Do they indicate a real problem? Are they normal? > Thanks for any help. > -Jim Avera (jima@netcom.com) > /usr/X386/bin/makedepend: warning: im.ih includes view.ih more than once! > Already have > /usr/include/stdio.h > view.ih > /usr/X386/bin/makedepend: warning: im.eh includes view.ih more than once! > Already have > /usr/include/stdio.h > view.ih These warnings are normal, as I recall I couldn't find any way to avoid them. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 19:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 19:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.lut.ac.uk (bgate.lut.ac.uk [131.231.16.7]) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA14604 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 19:34:01 -0400 Received: from cgust.lut.ac.uk by cgneiss.lut.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28264; Tue, 21 Jun 94 00:35:12 BST Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 00:35:12 BST From: James Hawtin Message-Id: <9406202335.AA28264@cgneiss.lut.ac.uk> To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: auis 6.3 I have just converted auis 6.3 to work with Solaris for Intel 2.1 if anyone is interested, I will contribute the diffs. Just tell me where to send them as I do not want to spam everyones mailboxes. James --------------------------------------------------------------------------- So all I wanted in the end, was world domination, and a whole lot of money to spend. - New Model Army. Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:51:35 -0400 (EDT) If-Type-Unsupported: send Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA15023 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:50:11 -0400 Received: from urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-5) id AA27518; Mon, 27 Jun 94 18:49:39 +0200 Received: from picasso (picasso.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-16) id AA02975; Mon, 27 Jun 94 18:49:33 +0200 Received: from klee.INFO5 by picasso (4.1/I5.4) id AA19678; Mon, 27 Jun 94 18:52:48 +0200 Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.klee.INFO5.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.klee.INFO5.sun4_41; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 18:52:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 18:52:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Claudia Welter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: libclass.a on SunOS 4.1.3 Cc: Claudia Welter Hello, how can I generate a libclass.a on SunOS 4.1.3. When compiling in overhead/class/lib, its always missing globals.o in ../machdep/sun_sparc_41. (I undefined HAVE_SHARED_LIBRARIES, LIBDL_ENV and NO_SHARED_DIR) Thanks for answering Claudia Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 5904;andrew.cmu.edu;Robert Andrew Ryan Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/ak99/dists/info-andrew-nostrip.dl) ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atk.itc.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.atk.itc.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Andrew Ryan To: Info-Andrew , Claudia Welter Subject: Re: libclass.a on SunOS 4.1.3 CC: Claudia Welter In-Reply-To: References: Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 27-Jun-94 libclass.a on SunOS 4.1.3 Claudia Welter@picasso.i (247*) > how can I generate a libclass.a on SunOS 4.1.3. When compiling in > overhead/class/lib, its always missing globals.o in > ../machdep/sun_sparc_41. > (I undefined HAVE_SHARED_LIBRARIES, LIBDL_ENV and NO_SHARED_DIR) If you have the latest version, AUIS 6.3, there should be no problem building under SunOS 4.1.3. globals.o shouldn't be referenced if LIBDL_ENV is defined. If you have this problem with the latest release please send me copies of your site.h, site.mcr and a copy of the make logs for class/lib and class/machdep/sun_sparc_41. -Rob Ryan Andrew Consortium