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I am having problems installing andrew (patchlevel 10) on our Apollos
(DN 2500/3000/3500) under DomainOS SR10.3, mainly because of the
dynamic loading stuff in overhead/class/util/lib/machdep: entry.o which
implements the class method entries is generated from assembler. Now,
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asembler uses a different syntax. Any ideas? Any general comments on
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Hi there, I'm not sure if this will be relevant to you but from what
information i have as yet, you might be able to help me -- if not please
disregard this mail. I'm looking for information on the Andrew File 
System, a disributed file system developed i believe at Carnegie-Mellon
Uni., and got this(your) address from an article in netnews.
I'm an honours student in computer science at Queensland Uni. in 
Australia and need the information for a seminar i have to present.
The topic is simply AFS, so its pretty broad, but its for a distributed
computing subject. I'm looking for articles here but the library does not
seem to offer much! Thus if you are the 'right' people, i was wondering
if you could send me any infor. that could be useful. It can be emailed
to me : rajiv@cs.uq.oz.au or mailed to:
					Rajiv Ram,
					Computer Science Dept.,
					University of Queensland,
					St. Lucia,
					Brisbane 4072,
					Australia.
Any information would be of use and much appreciated. Thanks.
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The following message appeared on the mmm-people mailing list 
(mmm-people@ISI.EDU).  It is in response to a message on the same list from 
Glenn Reid.  I haven't included Reid's message here (because it's too long), 
but here's the gist of it:


\quotation{The Revolution is HERE!  I've been waiting for this for several 
years.  I can't believe Jayson Adams at  NeXT has pulled it off. ...


Most of you can't see this, ... but this message is being typed on a NeXT in 
Times-Roman 18 point, while the headline is 64-point Helvetica Bold.  Not only 
that, I could have included  an EPS file (my signature) at the end, ...


Basically, it's a new version of the NeXT newsreader that supports multi-media 
  postings containing Microsoft's Rich Text (you can change fonts, basically) 
and imbedded TIFF or EPS files.


This is absolutely brilliant, and although everybody is going to complain at  

first, it is so completely revolutionary that nay-sayers will be quickly  

forgotten somewhere in history.  It's much more dramatic a difference than  

color TV over black-and-white TV.  It's more like the difference between radio 
and TV.  Suddenly you can see (that was in italics, but you probably can't see 
that).}


It's hard for me to resist posting a sarcastic response to this message.  But, 
the attached response from Ed Gould helps.


JR


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Date: 1 Jul 91 06:57:53 GMT

From: mtxinu!ed@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Gould)

Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley

Subject: Re: The revolution is HERE!

To: mmm-people@ISI.EDU


The revolution has been here for years.  It's on the X11R4 tape.

Or, at least an implementation (the Andrew Message System), that

does everything you're so excited about, plus more.  Does this

thing, in addition to graphics and multi-font text, do animations,

sound, or spreadsheets, in a way that preserves those items as

separate objects in the message?  AMS does.  Does it run on any

number of platforms (anything running X11R4)?  AMS does.


Yes, there are reasons why the "revolution" didn't catch on before.

But lack of implementation isn't it.


I wish people would get out of their own closets and look around

at what else is available (even just the stuff that's publicly

known - AMS was described in part of a half-day session at the

USENIX in Dallas a few years back, before X11R4 was released) before

jumping up and down that they'd just invented the wheel.  It may not

be anything all that wonderful (or it may be), but it did everything

described here years ago.


-- 

Ed Gould			No longer formally affiliated with,

ed@mtxinu.COM			and certainly not speaking for, mt Xinu.


"I'll fight them as a woman, not a lady.  I'll fight them as an engineer."

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AFS was developed here at the Information Technology Center, but is now a 
product of Transarc, Inc. Contact them at afs-info@transarc.com for more 
information.


--david

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Some of you AMS users (or potential users) may find this of interest. The
units are number of mail messages in each category. Data for the first 6
months of 1991


Bob

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\majorheading{Summary of bboard posting for the Year}


\typewriter{ \smaller{

               bboard  11394		(local bboards)

               confer 404217		(ibmpc,ibmvm,netforum,etc)

           confer(in)   5286		(ibmpc,ibmvm,netforum,etc)

               midway   3907		(cross posts to midway)

              netnews 516158		(netnews.*)

          netnews(in)    620		(netnews.*)

              outnews     77		(outgoing netnews)

              postman   1969		(postmans's mail)

      ~/wd00/Mailbox.     58		(white pages updates)

------------------------

      \bold{Total processed 943686}


Number of months = 6

Average per month = 157281

Number of weeks = 26

Average per week = 36156

Average per day = 5166


Average per hour = 215

\bold{Seconds per message = 16}	


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Not to be outdone, here are the CMU AMS stats for the past 5 months:


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}}\majorheading{Summary of bboard posting for the Year

}\typewriter{\smaller{
                  acs   3361	(Academic Computing Services)

              advisor   8743	(user consultants)

                 ak99    623	(Andrew Toolkit)

           andrew-svc    233	(ITC mail-based services)

                 as55   2696	(Academic Services)

                   bb  32608

                 dc0m   3067	(data communicatons)

               deptbb    313

             dowjones  90618

               gsiabb    207	(business school)

               helpbb     56

                hssbb    355	(Humanities & Social Sciences)

 internet(digests-in)  20365

   internet(lists-in)  97282

                itcbb   1505	(ITC internal bboards)

                libbb    475

                 ma55    112	(Mac advisor)

                 mNot      1

          netnews(in) 952877

         netnews(out)  13031

                outbb      7

                  pcs   2667	(PC services)

              postman  11420	(postman's mail)

           restrictbb    856

                scsbb    220

                tcpip   1349

            unique-bb   7483

                 us0s   7267	(User Services Students)

                 wd00   1722	(white pages updates)

------------------------

      Total processed 1261519


Number of months = 5

Average per month = 252303

Number of weeks = 21

Average per week = 58000

Average per day = 8288


Average per hour = 345

Seconds per message = 10

}}\center{
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 1-Jul-91 Re: Andrew file 
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\quotation{Contact them at afs-info@transarc.com for more information.

}
Well, we had several in-addresses for the AFS marketing department (all 
@transarc.com):

\leftindent{afs-sales

afsinfo

information

info}

and even

\leftindent{info-afs-request}

but we didn't have:

\leftindent{afs-info}


I've now added it.  Hope this helps.


		Craig

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Here's the corresponding message (unannotated, just as posted by automated 
software, formatting included) from AMS/AMDS at andrew.cmu.edu for the same 
period, the first six months of 1991.  The statistics-gathering facilities are 
not enormously relable, but they're a good sketch.  The individual lines are 
too numerous to explain in detail, but the summary is interesting.


\majorheading{Summary of bboard posting for the Year}


\typewriter{ \smaller{

                  acs   3361

              advisor   8743

                 ak99    623

           andrew-svc    233

                 as55   2696

                   bb  32608

                 dc0m   3067

               deptbb    313

             dowjones  90618

               gsiabb    207

               helpbb     56

                hssbb    355

 internet(digests-in)  20365

   internet(lists-in)  97282

                itcbb   1505

                libbb    475

                 ma55    112

                 mNot      1

          netnews(in) 952877

         netnews(out)  13031

                outbb      7

                  pcs   2667

              postman  11420

           restrictbb    856

                scsbb    220

                tcpip   1349

            unique-bb   7483

                 us0s   7267

                 wd00   1722

------------------------

      Total processed 1261519


Number of months = 5

Average per month = 252303

Number of weeks = 21

Average per week = 58000

Average per day = 8288


Average per hour = 345

Seconds per message = 10}}



FYI, for the the same period for transarc.com, the summary was:


\typewriter{\smaller{Number of months = 6

Average per month = 2236

Number of weeks = 26

Average per week = 514

Average per day = 73


Average per hour = 3

Seconds per message = 1176

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}}Impressive, Bob!  The original Andrew site at CMU is processing over twice 
as many messages per unit time: only 6 seconds per message (if memory serves). 
 I received a copy of the latest statistics this morning, but I deleted the 
message.  Can someone from the ITC repost the latest statistics to the list?


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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>Last problem (for today):  typescript doesn't work.  It didn't
>work before patch 10, but patch 10 at work (4.1 on a SPARCstation 1)
>does work.  The symptoms are the same as before patch 10:  The
>child process (usually /bin/csh) dies immediately (sometimes after
>printing the prompt.

That one may be caused by the same problem that caused the first one -
the wrong "system.h" file is being installed.  4.1[.x] has a POSIX-style
job-control mechanism, and that requires that ATK applications that use
pseudo-ttys (given their tendency to fork themselves off early) to
proceed differently in dealing with controlling ttys.  Patch 10 includes
changes to do that, but they only get compiled in if POSIX_ENV is
defined; if a 4.0[.x] "system.h" is installed, POSIX_ENV won't be defined.

(Yes, this means you can't share binaries between SunOS 4.0[.x] machines
and SunOS 4.1[.x] machines; "typescript" and "tm" of the former won't
work on 4.1[.x] because they aren't doing the right POSIX-compliant
stuff, and the latter won't work on 4.0[.x] because it uses the run-time
dynamic linker which isn't present in 4.0[.x].  So it goes....)
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>> doindex: indexing tabs.do ...ld.so: map heap error (9) for /dev/zero
>
>	I had exactly the same problem and spent about 12 hours
>banging my head against a wall until I realized that the top level
>Makefile hadn't been generated on a Sparc.

It's less that it wasn't generated on a SPARC than that it wasn't
generated on a SunOS 4.1[.x] machine.  The stuff using the 4.1[.x]
run-time loader works on Sun-3s as well as SPARC-based machines.

There's code in "doindex" and "runapp" that compensates for a bug in the
SunOS 4.1 run-time loader; if "sun_68k_41" or "sun_sparc_41" isn't
defined as a non-zero value, that code won't be included and the bug in
question will cause the message in question (the run-time loader doesn't
end up re-opening "/dev/zero" even though it should, and tries using the
now-closed file descriptor that it had opened when it loaded the shared
libraries; the workaround is to open "/dev/zero" in "main()" and shuffle
it to the right descriptor). 
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From: mojo.eng.umd.edu!eng.umd.edu!cross@mimsy.umd.edu  (Chris P. Ross)
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In article <YcP_DvC00VsWIGAl9n@andrew.cmu.edu>, gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim) writes:
> Excerpts from misc: 29-Jun-91 Re: Strange problem, anyone.. Chris P.
> Ross@mimsy.umd. (1806)
> 
> >  Well, as much as this seems reasonable, I don't think it's the problem.
> >  I believe I *did* compile with RESOLVER_ENV set, but RESOLVLIB was set
> > to nil, so it didn't use libresolv.a...  It used the Nameservice stuff
> > in our libc.
> 
> If you define RESOLVER_ENV on SunOS4.x plaforms, and you set RESOLVLIB
> to nil, you still end up using the resolver.  It may not have been
> necessary to do this but, we create our own shared resolver library and
> install it in ${BASEDIR}/lib.  With dynamic loading, we can't have
> multiple copies of the resolver getting into a single process (runapp). 
> Using the shared library informs the run-time linker that the resolver
> is needed, and it is then up to ld.so to do things right.
> 
> If you look in andrew/atk/apps/Imakefile you'll see that we link against
> -lresolv to get the shared resolver for the SunOS4.x platform.  There
> are a few other places that link against the shared resolver, as well. 
> Unfortunately, we also link regular programs with the non-shared
> resolver.
> 
> I think that you want to #undef RESOLVER_ENV in site.h and rebuild for
> the Sun4.

  Ok, I'll go ahead and do this.  I'll let you know if I have anymore 
problems.  :-)

> If the Sun3 you referred to is not a SunOS4.x box, that explains why the
> current configuration works on that machine-- no native dynamic loader,
> or shared resolver, getting in the way.

  Well, the sun3 I was using was a SunOS 4.1 machine, so I don't know why
there was no problem created there.  I'll recompile with RESOLVER_ENV undefined
anyway, to avoid possible problems later.

> Gary Keim
> ATK Group

--
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I've just finished compiling PL10 (I grabbed the complete tar image) on a 
DECstation 3100 running Ultrix 4.1.  Two remaining problems I have are:


1) The easy problem: Dialog boxes show up with black text on a black 
background.  I can read the buttons, but not test text.  Am I missig some 
color for DEC's oh so small rgb database?  I'm running under the DECwindows 
server and the mwm window manager if that helps...


2) The hard problem: Table exits if I select a column of cells.  It seems to 
work fine if I select rows.  I don't find a core image left around.  Is this 
something I botched in the compilation or configuration?  If not, where should 
I look for the cause?


--Dwight D. McKay, \smaller{Purdue University, Department of Biological 
Sciences}

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\quotation{1) The easy problem: Dialog boxes show up with black text on a 
black background.  I can read the buttons, but not test text.  Am I missig 
some color for DEC's oh so small rgb database?  I'm running under the 
DECwindows server and the mwm window manager if that helps...

}
I believe that the color that it's looking for is blue.  Is that in your rgb 
database?


Try setting this preference:


ez.foregroundcolor: blue

ez.backgroundcolor: white


If the text shows up blue, this is a bug of some, unknown, sort.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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The new \italic{add-dlopened-files} command for gdb for finding and adding the 
symbol tables of all dynamically loaded objects to gdb under SunOS 4.1 makes 
debuging a lot easier.  My congratulations to all involved.


Also, where can I find the \bold{source }to the add-dlopened-files patch for 
gdb?

All I could find on emsworth was the binary (under misc).


On a semi-related note, the new imake rules for PL10 compile each 

*.c file twice, once with -pic and once without.  The -pic object files go

into ./shared and then don't seem to be referenced again.  I assume

I'm missing something here?


Thanks,

	\blue{Bill Schell}

	AT&T Bell Labs

	Murray Hill, NJ


	bill@allegra.att.com	

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\quotation{Also, where can I find the \bold{source }to the add-dlopened-files 
patch for gdb?

}\quotation{All I could find on emsworth was the binary (under misc).

}

I've just a place a file, GDB.README, in the ftp directory ./misc.  Here is 
its contents:


The file gdb-3.5.sparc.Z is a compressed, executable version of (gdb3.5 + 
additions) to allow the reading of symbol tables from dynamically loaded 
modules under SunOS4.x.  There is also a patch, gdb.patch, that when applied 
to vanilla gdb3.5 will bring your sources to this level of understanding.


NOTE: When compiling gdb on the Sparc, don't forget to set the macro 

	TARGET_ARCH=sun4 

in the top-level Makefile.


This patch, as well as the ATK support for SunOS4.x dynamic loading, was 
contributed by Guy Harris (guy@auspex.com).

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  Well, I don't know how much of this will be comprehendable, but I'll
try to make it clear.  I have a lab full of VAXstation 2000's, running
as diskless Xterminals off of SPARCstation servers.  These VAXen get
their boot info from a DECstation, but after that, get root, swap,
and everything else (including fonts) from one of the SPARCs.  Now, I've
not yet gotten Andrew (pl10) to install on the DECstation, so I'd like
to be able to use the ATK programs from a sun, displaying on one of the
VAXen, but don't know what I need to do to get the fonts on them.  Any
help would be appriciated.  Thanks.

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I'm having problems compiling andrew on my sun 4/280, running sunos 4.1
Here's the death message when doing a make World:

DIR=/X11R4.Sun4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/basics/common

[lots of rm'ing and symlinking deleted to make space]

+ rm -f /usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk/pixelimg.do
+ ln -s /f/u2/X11R4.Sun4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/basics/common/pixelimg.do /
usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk
/usr/local/andrew/bin/doindex -d /usr/local/andrew/dlib/atk app.do atom.do atoml
ist.do bind.do cursor.do dataobj.do describe.do  environ.do event.do filetype.do
 fontdesc.do init.do keymap.do  keyrec.do keystate.do menulist.do message.do msg
hndlr.do  namespc.do observe.do path.do proctbl.do profile.do region.do rm.do  u
pdlist.do view.do winsys.do graphic.do pixelimg.do
doindex: indexing app.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed
*** Abort
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install.time'
Current working directory /X11R4.Sun4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/atk/basics/common

[ Cascaded make error messages deleted ]

Does anyone have any ideas about what's going on, or what I'm doing wrong?

Ben
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Hey all, 

Well, I got andrew working for the first time yesterday, and now I have some 
questions. First of all, durring the installations in the xmkfond directory
I had a problem with openwin.csh not being executable. I changed that and
things built ok. 

The set up was this:
machine: sparc 1+
operating system: 4.1.1
both openwindows and X11r4 are available on this machine.
In site.h the following are set:
	#define OPENWINDOWS_ENV 1
	#undef RESOLVER_ENV
	#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /home/xwin/andrew
	#define ODA_ENV 1
	#define ISO80_FONTS_ENV 1
	#undef AMS_ENV
In site.mcr:
	BASEDIR=/home/xwin/andrew
	IMAKE=/home/X11src/R4/mit/config/imake
	XMAKEDEPEND=/home/X11src/R4/mit/util/makedepend/makedepend
	RESOLVELIB=/usr/liblibresolv.a (which I realize I don't need, but the
			  	        build worked)

Now, I finished the build, and tried to play a little. I can edit things 
using ez, but switching to italics doesn't seem to work, and doing a
preview doesn't work. I then tried to convert the document to post script,
and it seems that there is a bunch of stuff missing for doing this. I 
also don't know how to set up printing to work, but as we have an a-typical
printer set up, I doubt if this will work anyway. 

Does anyone know what I have to build in to get the ez to ps to work? (and 
note that the introductory help page tells you to look at the ez-ps help 
page, but this doesn't exist. The real help page is ezps)

Also any more info on just what is available here, and how to do things like 
switching fonts etc. would be welcome.

Thanks.
eric
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       Trying hard to install ATK patch 10 on HP9000/425t under hpux 7.05
       ---------------------------------------------------

    I'am currently trying to install Andrew tools on my HP workstations and have several
problems. I don't know if i am special or if nobody tried yet to do this but it is not that easy.
(I tried several months ago with an older version but gave up after a few days)

    First of all, some Imakefile contain #ifdef statements between shell commands, cpp
generates blank lines for these statements and make hates this. I remember it was the same
at the first try. So, is my cpp or make different from others or is there a hidden flag to change
this ? The obvious solution is to enclose the whole target+statements inside the #ifdef.

    Second, in the file config/hp300/system.mcr, there is a line :

      STD_DEFINES = +Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W2,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES
                                                                                               ------
    and my compiler (actually, the HP one) has never heard about an option like -W2,-x. I suppose
that the purpose is to give the -x option to ld, i change this to

      STD_DEFINES = +Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W l,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES

    makedepend doesn't like very much this kind of flags, for example :

        ../../../.././config/depend.csh /sic/X11/bin/makedepend /sic/andrew/bin/class \
        "-I.  -I/sic/andrew/include/atk -I/sic/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11" "+Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W l,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES "
*.ch not found
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  ignoring option -W
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  ignoring option -W
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Nd4000"
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Ns3000"
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "p,-H500000"
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "l,-x"
/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  doload.c includes /sic/andrew/include/andrewos.h morethan once!

   but it can go on.

  until... :

        cc -c -I. -I../lib -I../machdep/machine -I. +O1 -I/sic/andrew/include/atk -I/sic/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11 +Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W l,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES  testobj.c
        /sic/andrew/bin/makedo -g -b ../cmd -d /sic/andrew/lib -o testobj.do \
        testobj.o
doindex: indexing testobj.do ...Bus error (core dumped)
*** Error code 138

Stop.
*** Error code 1
etc....

  Just adding a little printf ("hello\n"); somewhere in the routine ProcessEntry(), correct the
symptomes (not the problem), but it crashes later (testobj2)

    Thanks for any hints.


                    Claude Lecommandeur
                    Service Informatique Central
                    Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
                    1015 LAUSANNE (SWITZERLAND)
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\quotation{    First of all, some Imakefile contain #ifdef statements between 
shell commands, cpp

}\quotation{generates blank lines for these statements and make hates this. I 
remember it was the same

}\quotation{at the first try. So, is my cpp or make different from others or 
is there a hidden flag to change

}\quotation{this ? The obvious solution is to enclose the whole 
target+statements inside the #ifdef.

}
There's a problem with the imake from the R4 tape on HP machines. Make this 
change to imakemdep.h and rebuild imake:


*** /afs/cs/archive/X/V11R4-source/mit/config/imakemdep.h	Mon Dec 18 16:56:39 
1989

--- imakemdep.h	Wed Jul  3 17:56:57 1991

***************

*** 66,72 ****

   *     all colons).  One way to tell if you need this is to see whether or 
not

   *     your Makefiles have no tabs in them and lots of @@ strings.

   */

! #if defined(sun) || defined(SYSV)

  #define FIXUP_CPP_WHITESPACE

  #endif

  

--- 66,72 ----

   *     all colons).  One way to tell if you need this is to see whether or 
not

   *     your Makefiles have no tabs in them and lots of @@ strings.

   */

! #if defined(sun) || defined(SYSV) || defined(hpux)

  #define FIXUP_CPP_WHITESPACE

  #endif

  

***************

*** 125,130 ****

--- 125,133 ----

  #endif

  #ifdef ibm

  	"-Dibm",	/* IBM PS/2 and RT under both AOS and AIX */

+ #endif

+ #ifdef hpux

+ 	"-P",

  #endif

  \};

  #else /* else MAKEDEPEND */


\quotation{    Second, in the file config/hp300/system.mcr, there is a line :

}
\quotation{      STD_DEFINES = +Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W2,-x 
-D_CLASSIC_TYPES

}
I think the -W2,-x is needed for HP-UX 8.0, but I'm not sure what it's for.


\quotation{makedepend doesn't like very much this kind of flags, for example :

}
\quotation{        ../../../.././config/depend.csh /sic/X11/bin/makedepend 
/sic/andrew/bin/class \\

}\quotation{        "-I.  -I/sic/andrew/include/atk -I/sic/andrew/include 
-I//usr/include/X11" "+Nd4000 +Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W l,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES 
"

}\quotation{*.ch not found

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  ignoring option -W

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  ignoring option -W

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Nd4000"

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "+Ns3000"

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "p,-H500000"

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  cannot open "l,-x"

}\quotation{/sic/X11/bin/makedepend:  doload.c includes 
/sic/andrew/include/andrewos.h morethan once!

}
Makedepend isn't very smart, but I haven't found that this gets me into any 
particular trouble.


\quotation{cc -c -I. -I../lib -I../machdep/machine -I. +O1 
-I/sic/andrew/include/atk -I/sic/andrew/include -I//usr/include/X11 +Nd4000 
+Ns3000 -W p,-H500000  -W l,-x -D_CLASSIC_TYPES  testobj.c

}\quotation{        /sic/andrew/bin/makedo -g -b ../cmd -d /sic/andrew/lib -o 
testobj.do \\

}\quotation{        testobj.o

}\quotation{doindex: indexing testobj.do ...Bus error (core dumped)

}\quotation{*** Error code 138

}
This is because you're running on an '040, and we haven't released a fix for 
400 series machines yet (largely because we don't have any way of testing it). 
The problem occurs because the '040 has more better caching, and gets us into 
trouble with dynamically code -- it loads the dynamically loaded code into the 
data cache, and then ATK tries to execute it before the data cache has been 
flushed, and ends up executing garbage. You can solve this by using the 
chatr(1) command to specify write-back caching for the data segment. A better 
approach would be to add code of this flavor to 
overhead/class/machdep/hp_68k/doload.c:


\leftindent{#include <sys/cache.h>


...


/*

 * just before doload returns, flush the data cache and purge any

 * stale instruction cache entries

 */


if (cachectl(CC_IPURGE, 0, 0) != 0) \{

	fprintf(stderr, "doload:  failed to purge caches\\n");

\}

}
If this works, then we could try worrying about selectively flushing only the 
pages involved, etc.


--david

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>On a semi-related note, the new imake rules for PL10 compile each 
>*.c file twice, once with -pic and once without.  The -pic object files go
>into ./shared and then don't seem to be referenced again.  I assume
>I'm missing something here?

It's a little subtle; the "makedo" for SunOS 4.1 has a "-s" flag that
tells it to put "shared/" in front of the last component of the pathname
of any ".o" file it's linking into the ".do" file, and the Makefiles
pass that flag to "makedo".  This turned out to be the easiest way to
make it work.

The reason each ".c" file is built twice is that you do *not* want PIC
versions in the ".a" archives (well, except for "libclass.a", but -
despite the ".a" at the end of the name - that's not an archive, it's a
shareable image, so that its symbols are available to ".do" files), but
*do* want them in the ".do" files.  Putting PIC versions into the ".a"
files means that just about every object file linked into a program is
PIC; that causes the Global Offset Table to get very large (as all
external references from position-independent code goes through the
GOT), which would force stuff to be compiled with "-PIC" (large-model
PIC) rather than "-pic" (small-model PIC), at least on SPARC.
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>The new add-dlopened-files command for gdb for finding and adding the
>symbol tables of all dynamically loaded objects to gdb under SunOS 4.1
>makes debuging a lot easier.

Note that the patches to "gdb" also make it handle binaries linked with
SunOS 4.x shared libraries, so they're useful even if you aren't running
stuff that loads up code at run time.

(GDB 4.0 will allegedly also have support for SunOS 4.x shared libraries
and, as I read the documentation that I saw, support for handling stuff
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>NOTE: When compiling gdb on the Sparc, don't forget to set the macro 
>	TARGET_ARCH=sun4 
>in the top-level Makefile.

And, of course, set the same macro to "sun3" if compiling on a Sun-3;
the patches include support for 68K-based as well as SPARC-based
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Hi, everybody

   Many thanks to david for the advices on building ATK on HP425. The compilation completed with
only a few warning messages of incompatibles types and *hundreds* of warnings like :

 WARNING:zipv.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine

Is it serious doctor ?

  And then came the time of printing : eqn, troff ? what is this said Mr HP.

     Does anybody knows if i can find a public version of these, running (or compilable) on HP.
I suppose that previewing also call such filters because the "Preview window should appear
soon", but I'm still waiting.

   Thanks for your future answers.


                    Claude Lecommandeur
                    Service Informatique Central
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Subject: messages composing behavior

Is there a way to change the behavior of messages with
regard to having two or more composing windows at once?
Right now, if I'm composing a message and I get some new
mail and want to reply to it, hitting 'r' will ask me via
a dialog box 'Do you want to erase the mail you have not yet sent?'.
I would like it just to pop up another compose window and not
try reuse the first one. 

I know you can hit ^X-2 in the first compose window and get
another blank one, but this doesn't seem like an intuitive way
of doing things.

Thanks,

Bill Schell
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\quotation{The compilation completed with

}\quotation{only a few warning messages of incompatibles types and *hundreds*
of warnings like :

}
\quotation{ WARNING:zipv.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no
InitializeObject routine

}
\quotation{Is it serious doctor ?

}

I've seen this on AIX on a PS/2 and RT.  It appears to come from a bug in lex.
 If you have the source for lex from BSD you can build a new, non-broken lex,
then recompile the class preprocessor.


Perhaps the class preprocessor relies on a bug in BSD lex?  I haven't
investigated further since it seems to be harmless.


-todd inglett

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Date: 8 Jul 91 20:35:17 GMT
From: agate!darkstar!cats.ucsc.edu!shandon@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Timothy Daniel Kolar)
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Is there a way to get line numbering in ez?  I've been fiddling with it all
morning with no success.  If it's in the docs, it's buried pretty deep....

-Tim Kolar
University of California, Santa Cruz   (Hackin' in the redwoods)
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I found a comparatively simple test case that tickled an apparent bug in
PS/2 lex.  I did this when I noticed that the PS/2 would fail to
generate an InitializeObject method under certain circumstances.

If the Sun fails in this way, the fault _IS_ harmful.  Certain objects
will not be running an InitializeObject method.  I experienced random
core dumps depending upon what order I did things.  I spent a LONG time
trying to find bugs in correct code in the compose character facility.

This test case is available for anonymous ftp from oglala.mit.edu (18.72.1.7).
/pub/cass.tar.

The problem was that rule 22 (I think that's the number) was being ignored.

I recommend that this test case be run on the Sun, and that someone who
knows the insides of lex comment on why it succeeds or fails.

-wdc
The Bug Magnate (magnet?) of MIT.
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In the process of checking out the help files for the AMS, I discovered
that several files weren't installed.  There may be more, but the ones that
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For the record, I'm using an alpha release of patch10.  I still haven't
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\quotation{Is there a way to get line numbering in ez?  I've been fiddling 
with it all

}\quotation{morning with no success.  If it's in the docs, it's buried pretty 
deep....

}
What exactly do you want: numbers on the screen, on printout, or both; numbers 
for every visible line break on the screen or for each newline in the 
document?  Or just numbers for the lines on the screen?  I suppose these are 
silly questions since you can't really get any of these.  


One could write a Ness function to put numbers on each paragraph, but it would 
have to be rerun every time a paragraph was added or deleted.  (There is 
already a Ness function to numerate section titles.)


Fred Hansen

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Well, since I didn't receive any responses to this the first time around, 
I'll repost it to see if anyone has any suggestions. I would appreciate
responses sent back to my e-mail address, but this is not absolutely 
necessary.


Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1991 14:48:38 GMT

Hey all, 

Well, I got andrew working for the first time yesterday, and now I have some 
questions. First of all, durring the installations in the xmkfond directory
I had a problem with openwin.csh not being executable. I changed that and
things built ok. 

The set up was this:
machine: sparc 1+
operating system: 4.1.1
both openwindows and X11r4 are available on this machine.
In site.h the following are set:
	#define OPENWINDOWS_ENV 1
	#undef RESOLVER_ENV
	#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /home/xwin/andrew
	#define ODA_ENV 1
	#define ISO80_FONTS_ENV 1
	#undef AMS_ENV
In site.mcr:
	BASEDIR=/home/xwin/andrew
	IMAKE=/home/X11src/R4/mit/config/imake
	XMAKEDEPEND=/home/X11src/R4/mit/util/makedepend/makedepend
	RESOLVELIB=/usr/liblibresolv.a (which I realize I don't need, but the
			  	        build worked)

Now, I finished the build, and tried to play a little. I can edit things 
using ez, but switching to italics doesn't seem to work, and doing a
preview doesn't work. I then tried to convert the document to post script,
and it seems that there is a bunch of stuff missing for doing this. I 
also don't know how to set up printing to work, but as we have an a-typical
printer set up, I doubt if this will work anyway. 

Does anyone know what I have to build in to get the ez to ps to work? (and 
note that the introductory help page tells you to look at the ez-ps help 
page, but this doesn't exist. The real help page is ezps)

Also any more info on just what is available here, and how to do things like 
switching fonts etc. would be welcome.

Thanks.
eric
vampyre@milton.u.washington.edu
ehwd@uorpas.bitnet
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As I recall, I once tried to compile class using flex rather than old-style lex.
Unfortunately, evil magic like yylineno and its ilk made this impossible,
although I think it would definitely be worth the effort for somebody to
re-work all the scanners to run under flex (it's faster, for one
thing, and it is *the* New Berkeley Lex).  For the most part, yylineno
and input/output/unput are the only major differences, and it can all
be conditionalized on defined(FLEX_SCANNER).

As I recall, doing parsers with Bison (GNU Yacc) worked just fine.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Jul-91 Need help getting fonts set.. 
Chris P. Ross@eng.umd.ed (966)}


\quotation{Now, I've

}\quotation{not yet gotten Andrew (pl10) to install on the DECstation, so I'd 
like

}\quotation{to be able to use the ATK programs from a sun, displaying on one 
of the

}\quotation{VAXen, but don't know what I need to do to get the fonts on them. 
 Any

}\quotation{help would be appriciated.  Thanks.

}
My only suggestion is to get the fonts from someone who has successfully 
installed ATK on the VAX.  If anyone out there has done this, could you please 
send them to Chris?


I also must ask, what problems are you having building ATK pl10 on the 
VAXstation?  I may have some fixes you could use.


Gary Keim

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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>doindex: indexing app.do ...dlopen: stub interception failed

The way "-ldl" works - at least in SunOS 4.1[.x] - is satanic.  There's
really no other way to put it. 

The actual code that implements "dlopen()" and company is *NOT* in the
file "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0".  It's in the file "/usr/lib/ld.so", i.e.
the run-time loader itself.

The routines in "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" are stubs; the run-time loader
will handle a shared library whose name is exactly
"/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" - *EXACTLY* that, not one extra "/" is allowed!
- specially.  Calls to routines in that library will be redirected to
the run-time loader.

The routines in "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" just print the "stub
interception failed" message and call "abort()".  They do so because,
well, "you're not supposed to get there from here"; if you do get there,
the interception of calls to the stub routine failed.

The problem is most likely that you set up the system somehow so that a
"-L" flag appeared before the "-ldl" flag when linking "doindex"; check
the error log to see *precisely* what command was used to produce the
binary of "doindex".

The "-L" flag may well have been "-L/usr/lib/"; while one might normally
think such a flag would be harmless - after all, it just tells the
linker to look in "/usr/lib", and it's already looking there - it is,
alas, *not* harmless in this context.  You see, it'll cause the linker
to link with "/usr/lib//libdl.so.1.0" - *NOT* with
"/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0" - and, as I said above, the run-time loader
looks for a library whose path name is *EXACTLY* "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0"
(it quite literally does a "strcmp()" of the library's path name against
the string "/usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0").

Yes, I know, that violates the Principle of Least Surprise, and probably
several other principles, most severely.  I *did* say "satanic" above,
right?  Now you know why....

(Methinks this may end up being one of many questions that should appear
in a Frequently Asked Questions list or something like that.)
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This has probably been covered before, but alas I've not seen it.
Does there exist a version of getstats which will monitor the virtual
memory on a SUN running 4.1.1 OS.  


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Doing a make clean after an aborted Make World, the make clean failed when
a 'rm tmac.m' command failed (tmac.m was not present).
The relavent Imakefile:

atk/rofftext/Imakefile: rm tmac.m

I believe this should be a $(RM) rather than a 'rm'

(or at least make it a 'rm -f')atk/rofftext/Imakefile: rm tmac.m


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Is it possible to print the mail captions list?  (The middle region in
'messages' window)

Thanks,
Chandra Venkatraman

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The error about the stub interception failing is from the sunos
dynamic loader... I got caught by this when I had the env variable
LD_LIBRARY_PATH set incorrectly.  Someone on the list gave the answer
to that problem which is changing the order of this env variable such
that /usr/lib is before /lib (Or the other way around :-)

It's all to do with which version of -ldl it picks up...

Nick.


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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 10-Jul-91 Printing AMS mail captions 
Chandra Venkatraman@iag. (515)}


\quotation{Is it possible to print the mail captions list?  (The middle region 
in

}\quotation{'messages' window)

}
I don't know of any way to do this.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 10-Jul-91 Printing AMS mail captions 
Chandra Venkatraman@iag. (515)}


\quotation{Thanks,

}\quotation{Chandra Venkatraman

}

Sorry.


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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The two ways that currently exist to do this (both hacks, IMHO) are:


1) [the neat-o way] use any of the available programs to capture a portion of 
the screen and turn it into a raster, which you can then [possibly] print as a 
raster (postscript?)


2) [old-reliable] use \bold{cui} to get a list of headers for a folder since a 
particular date - Cut/Paste into a file - and print.


--fish

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Torben, 


I've enclosed two information articles (which will also be included in the FAQ 
list being prepared):  


1.  \bold{Andrew Toolkit Release 4} explains what Andrew is as released on the 
XV11R4 tape and how to get additional information; 


2. \bold{ Andrew Toolkit Patch 10 Instructions} explains what is available in 
the

latest release (patchlevel 10) and how you can obtain it. The easiest and 
least painful way to get up to speed is to grab the entire andrew.010.tar.Z 
file from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) via anonymous ftp.   


Please let me know if you need additional information, 


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>

(412) 268-6787 FAX


\description{\majorheading{Andrew Toolkit Release Information}}



The Information Technology Center at Carnegie Mellon is pleased to announce 
the release of new versions of the Andrew Toolkit, the Andrew Message System 
and the ODA Tool Kit as part of the January 1990 release of the X Window 
System (X.V11R4).  


\leftindent{The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that 
runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment 
wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could use our 
'generic-object' editor (ez) to edit text that, in addition to containing 
multiple fonts, contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing 
editors, equations, simple animations, etc.. These embedded objects could 
themselves contain other objects, including text. With the toolkit, 
programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those 
that come with the system. Many objects, including those mentioned above, 
along with a help system, a system monitoring tool (console), an editor based 
shell interface (typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents, 
are included in the release, making it useful to programmers and 
non-programmers alike. 


The Andrew Message System(AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and 
bulletin-boards.  AMS contains many advanced  features including 
authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection 
and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription 
management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and 
low-function personal computers in addition to the high-function workstations. 



The ODA Tool Kit provides low level support for multi-media documents 
represented using the standard: ISO 8613 "Office Document Architecture".

}
This release of Andrew contains hundreds of bug fixes, updates and 
improvements in both code and documentation. They also contains a variety of 
new facilities. The major differences are:

\leftindent{
- File names and code have been reworked to support System V Unix.


- The class system has been reorganized to allow easier porting to new 
systems.


(Programs for updating old ATK source code to use the new file names and class 
conventions are included)

}
New additions include:


\leftindent{- A full release of ADEW, a direct-manipulation application 
builder.


- A new embedded language for controlling insets, Ness.


- A collection of data visualization insets, such as chart and bush.


- Footnotes, tables of contents, indexing and page breaks within text.


- A "hyperlink" inset for connecting together files.


- Example files from Nathaniel Borenstein's book (see below) on the Andrew 
Tool Kit.


- An improved collection of specialized text editors for C, Modula 2, Modula 
3, Pascal and Lisp .


- The entire Andrew Message System including the remote message server, a 
delivery system supporting multiple post office machines, and white pages 
lookup.


- Support for IBM 3117 scanners.


- ODA support, including sample translators between ODA and Andrew, from ODA 
to Interleaf and troff, and general tool kits for ODA and raster applications.

}
This release contains Andrew materials developed elsewhere, including 
materials from HP, Apollo, IBM, McDonnell Douglas, Interleaf, Northrop, 
Wollongong and NYSER. If you have materials you would like us to distribute 
with ATK, please let us know.


We routinely use this software at CMU. As a result, there are numerous places 
in the system construction process where we assume that various files, 
programs and machines are available. We attempted to remove all of these 
dependencies in this release. If you find some CMU dependency that we missed, 
please let us know. This release has been built on Sun-3s, Sun-4s, Vaxes, 
PMaxes and HP's AUX. As of when we froze the source for MIT there was a minor 
bug that interrupted the compile and build on IBM RTs running AOS (BSD Unix) 
or AIX.  This and subsequent patches are currently available as outlined 
below.


This release can be obtained in several ways.  The entire X distribution is 
available via anonymous ftp from the Internet host, export.lcs.mit.edu 
(Internet: 18.30.0.238).  The sources for ATK, AMS and ODA are located in the 
"andrew" tree,  one of the contributed tool kits. Just the "andrew" tree from 
the X distribution,  as well as the latest patches,  is available via 
anonymous ftp from the Internet host, emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu 
(Internet:128.2.30.62).


Copies of the entire X distribution software can also be obtained, for the 
nominal X11 distribution charge, by contacting:

\leftindent{
MIT Software Distribution Center

Technology Licensing Office

Room E32-300

77 Massachusetts Avenue

Cambridge, MA  02139

USA

+1-617-258-8330


}We also distribute the following related materials:


\leftindent{Hardcopies of the documentation for ATK and AMS (available now).

Nathaniel S. Borenstein's book: \italic{Multimedia Applications Development 
with the Andrew Toolkit }(Prentice-Hall, available now).

ODA Project Book: \italic{Multi-media Document Interchange: ODA and the EXPRES 
Project }(Springer Verlag, available soon).

Introductory video tape: \italic{Welcome to Andrew: An Overview of the Andrew 
System}\italic{ }(available now).

Technical video tape: \italic{The Andrew Project: A Session at the Winter 1988 
Usenix Conference}\italic{ }(available now).


}More information about these materials is available from:


\leftindent{Information Requests

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

4910 Forbes Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

USA

phone: +1-412-268-6700

fax: +1-412-268-6787

info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

}

We are providing updates to the Andrew software as necessary. These are being 
distributed as patches (for use with the patch program distributed as part of 
the X tape). These patches are being put on both expo (in 
/contrib/andrew/patches) and emsworth (in /patches). In addition, emsworth 
contains three complete distributions: a compressed tar file of the sources on 
the X.V11R4 tape, a compressed tar file of the sources with all patches 
applied, and a complete source tree with all patches applied. Therefore, one 
can retrieve the desired patch files, the latest version of the software, or 
the latest version of any specific file. These files can be retrieved by 
anonymous FTP or by mail.  For more information on mail retrieval of 
information, send a (blank) piece of mail to andrew-service@andrew.cmu.edu


The info-andrew unmoderated distribution list contains informal conversations 
between Andrew users and developers. Send mail to 
info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu to be added to the Andrew mailing list (or 
to request any other service that we provide, like hard copy documentation or 
redistribution of contributed materials). The info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu 
address provides an easy method for reporting bugs in the software to members 
of the ITC (it is not a public distribution list).


There is also a netnews distribution list, called comp.soft-sys.andrew, which 
is identical to the info-andrew distribution list except that it does not 
support the multi-media capabilities of info-andrew.


Finally, there is an andrew-demos mailing list to which interesting 
ATK/Messages demos are sometimes posted (you must have AMS running to see the 
demos).  To subscribe, send mail to andrew-demos-request@andrew.cmu.edu.


\majorheading{Andrew Toolkit 

Patch 10 Instructions}


You can pick up a copy of the entire tree from the file andrew.010.tar.Z via 

anonymous ftp from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62) in the top level 

directory. 
\footnote{\
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The tar file should be read back with the following command:  uncompress < 
andrew.010.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - .\
\enddata{fnote,271277184}
\view{fnotev,271277184,2,0,0}} Or, you may want to pick up the patches which 
are split in the ./patches directory as patch.010aa, patch.010ab, patch.010ac 
and patch.010ad. You should apply them individually, starting with aa through 
ad. 
\footnote{\
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directories overhead, atk, ams,  exist.  Use the -c and -p flags to patch. \
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Here's an overview of what's new in patch 10:


\bold{Contributed code:}


\leftindent{Contributed code from MIT, including transient window 

support and header & footer object

Contributed (untested) code from SCO w/ port to SCO Unix

Port to HP RISC machine (HP-UX 7.0), contributed by BellSouth and HP

Improved SunOS4.x support, including contributed code to use 

SunOS4.x native dynamic loading

Contributed code from Bell Labs including vi-style editing}


\bold{New ITC work:}


\leftindent{Motif style menu emulation, with optional pop-up 

menus

Motif style scroll bar option

Motif style dialog box option

Motif style buttons}


\bold{Changes to existing components:}


\leftindent{Improved Animation object that doesn't block while 

animating

Improved Adew application builder w/ ability to create true insets (some of 
the new Adew features are not yet documented; contact Tom Neuendorffer 
(tpn+@andrew.cmu.edu) for more information)

Improved text scrolling code that allows partial scrolling of insets

Improved typescript completion code

Improved tabs support (from MIT with some modification)

Better support for handling ~ in file names (esp. w/ AFS)

Improved RS6000 support, including working typescript

Color text support, including support for setting color styles in lookz

Improved style editor, including ability to bring up lookz in a separate 

window}

\leftindent{Interline/Interparagraph spacing in text (and lookz)

Improved style model, including ability to control styles with keystrokes

Improved hyperlink, including 2 new button styles

Raw mode reading of files and templates

^U handling now in interaction manager

AFS 3.1 support

Support for running under Sun OpenWindows

*Lots* of small improvements}


\bold{Important note: }The change to tabs requires a change to ctext 

templates. The default ctext template has been changed accordingly; if you 

have your own, add the line


	attr:[Flags TabsCharacters Int Set]


as an attribute of the global style.


Your bug reports are welcome; send them to info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu and 

we will periodically post a status report to info-andrew.


--David Anderson, ATK manager

Information Technology Center

Carnegie Mellon University

+1 412-268-5791 // 412-268-6787 (fax)




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There's not currently a way to change it, but it is a relatively neat
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I am on a Sun4/110 runing SunOS 4.0.1 at Patch level 7 (we'll be at 10 soon; 
we just not there yet).


I do the following and it crashes (core dumps) zip:


1)  start it all up with

	%  ez  self.ez

2)  press ESC-Tab and type zip to get the zip inset

3)  click on the multiple line segment symbol (just below the / or single line 
segment symbol)

4)  click around the window maybe 4 times to make something

5)  select "Selection, Delete" from the menu options

6) click in the window again => crash


I suspect the draw items are being kept in a master list and "Selection, 
Delete" isn't taking into consideration that the last visible item might be 
deleted and therefore the "beginning of list" pointer is not being assigned 
NULL to signal the (later) creation of a new list.  This is strictly 
conjecture, though, because I have not looked at the source code.


   - \underline{Anthony}

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.cmu.info-andrew: 9-Jul-91 Re: ez line
numbering Fred Hansen@RCHGATE.rchl (751+0)}


\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 8-Jul-91 ez
line numbering Timothy Daniel Kolar@ucb (229)}

}
\quotation{\quotation{Is there a way to get line numbering in ez?  I've been
fiddling with it all morning with no success.  If it's in the docs, it's
buried pretty deep....

}}
\quotation{What exactly do you want: numbers on the screen, on printout, or
both; numbers for every visible line break on the screen or for each newline
in the document?  Or just numbers for the lines on the screen?  I suppose
these are silly questions since you can't really get any of these.

}
\quotation{One could write a Ness function to put numbers on each paragraph,
but it would have to be rerun every time a paragraph was added or deleted.
 (There is already a Ness function to numerate section titles.)

}
\quotation{Fred Hansen

}

I would want numbers (on the screen) just like the ones \italic{cat} uses with
the \bold{-n} switch, namely, one for each newline.  That would be a great
help when dbxing.


Wayne Richardson

wdr@ibm.com

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Anyone ever thought about writing a GIF view?

Now that would be neat! Insert a GIF file into your ATK document!

How difficult would this be? We can already display GIF's using
xloadimage or xv, perhaps you could steal the guts of the code from
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\quotation{Anyone ever thought about writing a GIF view?

}
I've already implemented a very preliminary version of color raster that has a 
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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex.com!datri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Anthony A. Datri)
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Rather than play patch games, I ftp'd the pl10 distribution from emsworth.
I built on a Sun 4/75 with SunOS 4.1.1, with OPENWINDOWS_ENV defined to make
the fonts for the brain-damaged xnews server.  The make bombed:

console12       con12
andrew120       times120
/hpl/atk/xmkfontd
rm -f /usr/andrew/xnwsfnts/Synonyms.list
rm -f /usr/andrew/xnwsfnts/Families.list
./openwin.csh /usr/andrew/xnwsfnts /usr/openwin/bin/bldfamily
make: Fatal error: Cannot load command `./openwin.csh': Permission denied
Current working directory /hpl/atk/xmkfontd
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

I chmoded the script, and the make ran to completion.

I fired up messages, and it complained "Cannot read surrogate help file (0)".
I had "messages.SurrogateHelpFile: /dev/null" in preferences, which worked
find with pl9.

After removing that preference, I fired up messages again.  The keyboard
commands didn't work -- hitting "d" complained that the message was read-only,
or some such.  Message bodies showed up in console10.  I had to remove
my messages.BinaryOptions preferences and start from scratch.


The menubar help page gives the following example:

  *.CardOrder: "Card1Name~Card1Priority", "Card2Name~Card2Priority"

It certainly wasn't clear to me that 'Card1Priority' was supposed to be
replaced with an integer -- it looked to me like the string CardnPriority was
to be used.

I can't find any references to a way to turn off the @#$ Motif-style dialog
boxes.
--


Use your wheels: that is what they are for.
datri@convex.com
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\quotation{I would want numbers (on the screen) just like the ones \italic{cat} 
uses with the \bold{-n} switch, namely, one for each newline.  That would be a 
great help when dbxing.

}
a) The command ESC-n prompts for a line number and moves the caret to that 
line.  This is of use when dbx'ing, though of course you can't see the line 
numbers.  ESC-N prints the line number of the current line, which is also of 
use.


b) Line numbers could be added in the image of the code as an option in ctext, 
the package generally used for reading code with ez.  Many people find this 
package is the best way to read code;  it has a lot of nice formatting 
features.  (Personally, I prefer the variable width fonts of raw ez text 
mode.)


Fred Hansen\
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We are currently trying to upgrade some applications that use a Andrew Toolkit front end, and are encountering major problems with this Patch. (Patch 10 for Sun4 Sun0S 4.1)

We have SunOS 4.1.1 running on a sparc sun4 machine.  The code we have written is in C++ and using RPC to communicate to device controller servers (laser discs, digital audio, and analogue video mixers) across a network.  The code interfaces into Andrew using 'extern "C"' function declarations in C++.  This all worked in Patch 6. (Not sure of patch number)

I understand that the method of dynamic linking is changed for Andrew to use the SunOS 4.1.1 method of dynamic linking/shared libararies, and our old libraries a incompatible with this.
(Our C++ compiler (or even Sun's ) can't produce correct lib.so AND lib.sa libaries).

So far we can't make our applications run and they all crash.  


We are faced at rewritting all our applications.  Can someone suggest some ideas before we start.  I'm going to test if that RPC calls can successfull be linked into our applications
- it is very important that RPC calls work.



    Alex Kowalenko                 ACSnet: alexk@otc.otca.oz
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System: Sun4
OS: SunOS 4.1.1

The gendemo csh script breaks with the message "variable syntax"
in this code fragment:

if (! $(Me)) then
	set Me = `who am i`
	if(! $(Me)) then
		set Me = $USER
	endif
endif

Taking this out makes it work.

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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youki@newmars.ics.osaka-u.ac.jp (Youki Kadobayashi) writes:

>Question: How can I instruct "messages" to use /usr/spool/mail for
>mail drop?
>
>Although I wrote following lines in /usr/andrew/etc/AndrewSetup:
>
>AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes
>AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/spool/mail
>
>Messages says, "/home/hanako/youki/Mailbox" could not be properly read
>and delivered (0 success, 0 failure)".

Same problem here (Sun4 under SunOS 4.1.1).  Did anybody post an
answer to that query?  I also got a message mumbling about a "hold"
option in my .mailrc, which file I don't even have...

On a general note (I'll try not to flame):

It's very frustrating to try and find out why something in AMS doesn't
work if you've just built it.  Most docs seem to be intended to
first-time users of the system, assuming it has been installed
correctly, but that's not at all my situation...

In other cases, I'd go to the source and find out where things go
wrong, but AMS is so big that finding my way in the source is out of
the question right now...

Frustrated,

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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Date: 12 Jul 91 14:01:49 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
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The "Preferences and System Defaults" help page explains at length
what options you can set in a preferences file and warns novice users
against a zillion things that you might do wrong when editing your
preferences.  However, it does not tell WHICH FILE TO EDIT.  Which is
it?

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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\quotation{Same problem here (Sun4 under SunOS 4.1.1).  Did anybody post an

}\quotation{answer to that query?  I also got a message mumbling about a 
"hold"

}\quotation{option in my .mailrc, which file I don't even have...

}
Create a file $HOME/.mailrc and put int this line:


unset hold


\italic{\smaller{Susan, this question & answer should go in the FAQ.}}


Gary Keim

ATK Group

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Date: 12 Jul 91 17:47:57 GMT
From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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>The error about the stub interception failing is from the sunos
>dynamic loader... I got caught by this when I had the env variable
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH set incorrectly.  Someone on the list gave the answer
>to that problem which is changing the order of this env variable such
>that /usr/lib is before /lib (Or the other way around :-)

	bootme% cat /etc/motd
	SunOS Release 4.1.1 (GENERIC_SMALL) #1: Thu Oct 11 10:48:40 PDT 1990
	bootme% ls -l /lib
	lrwxrwxrwx  1 root            7 Jan 15 21:26 /lib -> usr/lib

Any particular reason why you're putting "/lib" in LD_LIBRARY_PATH at
all?  It doesn't seem to contain anything that "/usr/lib" doesn't also
contain.... :-)
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Date: 12 Jul 91 19:55:04 GMT
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In article <3866@charon.cwi.nl>, guido@cwi.nl (Guido van Rossum) writes:
|> The "Preferences and System Defaults" help page explains at length
|> what options you can set in a preferences file and warns novice users
|> against a zillion things that you might do wrong when editing your
|> preferences.  However, it does not tell WHICH FILE TO EDIT.  Which is
|> it?
|> 

As far as I can tell, it's a file called "preferences" in your home directory.
I couldn't find that in the docs either...someone else locally found it by
digging through the code.

-Tim Kolar
University of California at Santa Cruz  (Hackin' in the redwoods)
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\quotation{As far as I can tell, it's a file called "preferences" in your home 
directory.

}
Correct.  I guess we should document this a little better.  


From the README.ez file: 


\leftindent{\chapter{3	Setting up the Environment to Run Applications}


To run our software you must be running X11, and have your DISPLAY environment 
variable set appropriately.  Our applications support the -fg, -bg, -display 
and -geometry switches.


In addition, most ATK applications also reference the file ~/preferences or 
~/.Xdefaults for lines of the form:


appname.foregroundcolor: colorspec

appname.backgroundcolor: colorspec

appname.geometry: geometryspec


where appname is the name of the application (i.e. console, ez, etc.).

}

\leftindent{(in Section 4) 


...You should run 


\leftindent{help preferences}


once you have brought up the system to see how to change your preferences.

}

Hope this helps, 


Susan  Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>

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In article <3865@charon.cwi.nl> guido@cwi.nl (Guido van Rossum) writes:

>   Same problem here (Sun4 under SunOS 4.1.1).  Did anybody post an
>   answer to that query?  I also got a message mumbling about a "hold"
>   option in my .mailrc, which file I don't even have...

It would be set in your system-default RC file, like this:

	% more /usr/lib/Mail.rc
	set append dot ask hold Replyall

>   It's very frustrating to try and find out why something in AMS doesn't
>   work if you've just built it.  Most docs seem to be intended to
>   first-time users of the system, assuming it has been installed
>   correctly, but that's not at all my situation...
>
>   In other cases, I'd go to the source and find out where things go
>   wrong, but AMS is so big that finding my way in the source is out of
>   the question right now...

Agreed.

One more question to Andrew guru: Can I set up AMS so that I can
read/post netnews without AFS? We have NNTP but we don't have AFS and
Kerberos.

Thanks in advance,
--
Youki Kadobayashi
Information Network Architecture Lab.
Dept. of Info. and Comp. Sci, Osaka University, Japan
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\quotation{System: Sun4

}\quotation{OS: SunOS 4.1.1

}
\quotation{The gendemo csh script breaks with the message "variable syntax"

}\quotation{in this code fragment:

}
\quotation{if (! $(Me)) then

}\quotation{	set Me = `who am i`

}\quotation{	if(! $(Me)) then

}\quotation{		set Me = $USER

}\quotation{	endif

}\quotation{endif

}
\quotation{Taking this out makes it work.

}
\quotation{--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>

}\quotation{"You're so *digital*, girl!" -- Neneh Cherry

}


Same problem on:


System: DECstation 5000

OS: Ultrix V4.[12]


System: VAXstation 3500

OS: Ultrix V4.2


J\^{|}rgen


_________________________________________________________________________

Juergen Henke, e-mail juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de, PSI-mail PSI%4505016002::JUH_IPA

Fraunhofer-Institut f. Produktionstechnik u. Automatisierung

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From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
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I have now managed to get AMS to read my system mailbox, and I know
where my preferences file lives.  Thanks for the quick help!

Next problem: when I start up messages, after about a minute it
displays the string "Checkpointing message server state..." and then
accepts no further input.  Sometimes it dumps core (maybe always if
you wait long enough), but I haven't been able to look at the core
file yet (dbx runs out of memory and I haven't gotten the fixed gdb
yet).

Strangely enough, this didn't happen three days ago -- then I could
browse folders for as long as I liked.  All I changed since then was
put "unset hold" in my ".mailrc" file and create an AndrewSetup file
to override two print-related settings (our ditroff installation is
non-standard).

Clues about where the messages comes from (in the form of source file
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--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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Juergen, 


We are aware of this bug in the distribution.  The fix is to change the two 
occurances of ! $(Me) to ! $?Me, as follows: \quotation{

}\leftindent{\typewriter{
if (! $(Me)) then

	set Me = `who am i`

	if(! $(Me)) then

		set Me = $USER

	endif

endif}}\quotation{


}should be changed to: \quotation{


}\leftindent{\typewriter{if (! $?Me) then

	set Me = `who am i`

	if(! $?Me) then

		set Me = $USER

	endif

endif


}}The other known bug that will cause a build to fail is in 
atk/rofftext/Imakefile.  A make Clean will fail because the removal of tmac.m, 
which may not exist, is not forced.   Thus, the Imakefile should be changed 
from: 


\leftindent{\typewriter{rm tmac.m }}

to 

\leftindent{\typewriter{rm -f tmac.m


}}This is by no stretch of anyone's imagination a list of all bugs ... just 
those that can cause a build to fail.  We are preparing a list of bugs that 
have been reported, as well as Frequently Asked Questions,  and will post it 
soon.  


Thanks for taking the time to submit the problem report, 


Susan Straub

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Subject: Exiting from applications...


I am working on an Andrew application that starts up an external process. 
Since Andrew usually forks the application at startup, this external process
does not die when my application does.  It continues to run.

Whenever a Quit is selected or a Control X Control C is hit, or when the
process receives a signal, I would like to kill the external process and then
quit...wrapping things up nicely...

Is this an easy thing to do?

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Jul-91 Exiting from applications... 
Scott Hassan@informatics (501)}


\quotation{Whenever a Quit is selected or a Control X Control C is hit, or 
when the

}\quotation{process receives a signal, I would like to kill the external 
process and then

}\quotation{quit...wrapping things up nicely...

}
The view that forks the external process should save the child process id. 
 When that view's FinalizeObject method is called, it should execute 
kill(childPid, SIGQUIT).


This is the easy way but doesn't handle the signals to your parent process and 
it also kills the child during the destruction of the parent application, not 
before.  You may want to use the Unix sigvec call.

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Subject: Question about a Makefile in Path 10

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menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
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Hi,


In the \typewriter{Imakefile} in \typewriter{overhead/snap2/gardian/cmd}, 
there is a segment that says:


\example{#ifdef AFS_ENV

/* librauth.a is part of an old distribution of AFS.  It's not included in 
AFS3.0, but it's still AFS-related. */

#ifndef AFS30_ENV

LIBRAUTH = $\{AFSBASEDIR\}/lib/afs/librauth.a

#endif /* AFS30_ENV */

}
The comment says it is in an old version of AFS, but it is not clear as to 
whether it will be included if you are using AFS 3.0 or not.  The 
\typewriter{ifndef}, however does not include it if you are using AFS 3.0, but 
it \bold{DOES} include it if you are using AFS 3.1.


Should it include it for 3.1?




	jeff




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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 15-Jul-91 Question about a Makefile i.. 
Jeffrey Carpenter@cis.pi (800+1)}


\quotation{The comment says it is in an old version of AFS, but it is not 
clear as to whether it will be included if you are using AFS 3.0 or not.  The 
\typewriter{ifndef}, however does not include it if you are using AFS 3.0, but 
it \bold{DOES} include it if you are using AFS 3.1.

}
This is a problem with the distribution that needs to be resolved.  The 
AFS#_ENV-related cpp declarations need to be updated to include 3.1.  Right 
now, if you are using 3.1 you should also define 3.0.  Bogus, I know. 
 Basically, the code you sited should be:


\example{#ifdef AFS_ENV

/* librauth.a is part of an old distribution of AFS.  It's not included in 
AFS3.0, but it's still AFS-related. */

#if !defined(AFS30_ENV) && !defined(AFS31_ENV)

LIBRAUTH = $\{AFSBASEDIR\}/lib/afs/librauth.a

#endif /* AFS30 || AFS31 */

}
Gary Keim

ATK Group

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\quotation{The view that forks the external process should save the child 
process id.  When that view's FinalizeObject method is called, it should 
execute kill(childPid, SIGQUIT).

}
Actually, you should probably use SIGHUP or SIGTERM in place of SIGQUIT, the 
default action for SIGQUIT on some systems is to dump core :-(


-Rob

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>I can't find any references to a way to turn off the @#$ Motif-style dialog
>boxes.

Gee, I can't find any references *OR* code to turn them *ON*.  How did
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Anthony A. Datri@ucbvax. (1567)}


\quotation{./openwin.csh /usr/andrew/xnwsfnts /usr/openwin/bin/bldfamily

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Cannot load command `./openwin.csh': Permission 
denied

}\quotation{Current working directory /hpl/atk/xmkfontd

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `dependInstall'

}
\quotation{I chmoded the script ...

}
Thanks for pointing this out to us.  I fixed our source tree and the 
distribution tree.  Other users may want to do the same.  


Susan Straub

Andrew Toolkit Group

<susan+@andrew.cmu.edu>


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Is there a way to get the messages program to not look in 
~/.MESSAGES first, but to look in a file by another name?
I tried moving my .MESSAGES file to ~/.MESSAGES.magic, and then 
set mspath to ~/.MESSAGES.magic, but messages didn't like it at all.

The problem is that in our installation, if files don't have a magic 
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forever.  I didn't want this treatment for my mail.

Thanks,

Bill Schell
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The help files in ams/delivery/trymail aren't installed unless you have 
AMS_DELIVERY_ENV defined in your site.h file.  They aren't relevant to 
installations that don't run AMDS.  Sorry that it's so hard to get the 
cross-references right.


		Craig

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The help files in ams/delivery/trymail aren't installed unless you have 
AMS_DELIVERY_ENV defined in your site.h file.  They aren't relevant to 
installations that don't run AMDS.  Sorry that it's so hard to get the 
cross-references right.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 13-Jul-91 Re: 
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\quotation{>   It's very frustrating to try and find out why something in AMS 
doesn't

}\quotation{>   work if you've just built it.  Most docs seem to be intended 
to

}\quotation{>   first-time users of the system, assuming it has been installed

}\quotation{>   correctly, but that's not at all my situation...

}
\quotation{Agreed.

}
One way to make things lots simpler is to try to reproduce any problems with a 
non-ATK program, like CUI.  Except for displaying fancy stuff, you can do 
pretty much anything with CUI that you can do with Messages.


Interesting point you make about the document point-of-view.  You've captured 
the truth, of course: the documents were originally written for the Andrew 
users at CMU, where things have been installed as correctly as they get.


\quotation{One more question to Andrew guru: Can I set up AMS so that I can

}\quotation{read/post netnews without AFS? We have NNTP but we don't have AFS 
and

}\quotation{Kerberos.

}
Other folks can comment on this more authoritatively.  Certainly you don't 
need AFS or Kerberos to do netnews; you just need a good-sized disk and a 
netnews feed.


		Craig

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 13-Jul-91 Re: 
AMS_NonAMSDelivery Youki Kadobayashi@ucbvax (1120)}


\quotation{>   It's very frustrating to try and find out why something in AMS 
doesn't

}\quotation{>   work if you've just built it.  Most docs seem to be intended 
to

}\quotation{>   first-time users of the system, assuming it has been installed

}\quotation{>   correctly, but that's not at all my situation...

}
\quotation{Agreed.

}
One way to make things lots simpler is to try to reproduce any problems with a 
non-ATK program, like CUI.  Except for displaying fancy stuff, you can do 
pretty much anything with CUI that you can do with Messages.


Interesting point you make about the document point-of-view.  You've captured 
the truth, of course: the documents were originally written for the Andrew 
users at CMU, where things have been installed as correctly as they get.


\quotation{One more question to Andrew guru: Can I set up AMS so that I can

}\quotation{read/post netnews without AFS? We have NNTP but we don't have AFS 
and

}\quotation{Kerberos.

}
Other folks can comment on this more authoritatively.  Certainly you don't 
need AFS or Kerberos to do netnews; you just need a good-sized disk and a 
netnews feed.


		Craig

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The ``Checkpointing server state'' message comes from some file in 
atkams/messages/lib as it invokes a message server procedure to save the state 
of what's written.  This will in general close some message server directory 
files (the .MS_MsgDir files) and write your $\{home\}/.AMS.prof file. 
 Actually, it will also call the PrintPendingRequests() routine, located in 
ams/libs/ms/msprint.c, invoking ezprint.  This suggests that your 
printing-related preferences are indeed causing the core dump at checkpoint 
time.  (Are you running out of VM for all the execs?)


The message server procedures MS_UpdateState() and MS_FastUpdateState() are in 
file ams/libs/ms/update.c.


		Craig

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I think you can change your .MESSAGES directory to .MESSAGES.magic, by setting 
your mspath.  Problem is, you then have to write your own Flames file 
(.AMS.flames) so AMS will know where to file your incoming mail.


		Craig

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I think you can change your .MESSAGES directory to .MESSAGES.magic, by setting 
your mspath.  Problem is, you then have to write your own Flames file 
(.AMS.flames) so AMS will know where to file your incoming mail.


		Craig

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Jeff, Here's how someone else dealt with this DECism.  Walter Wong could 
probably point you to a libc that already has sys_errlist since he built 
Andrew on this platform a while ago.


-Gary

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Date: Tue,  7 May 91 08:23:19 -0400 (EDT)

From: Jeff Putsch <putsch@chillon.uicc.com>

To: G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au

Subject: Re: problems with sys_errlist on DS5000/200

Cc: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu


> Howdy,


Excerpts from mail: 7-May-91 problems with sys_errlist o..

G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au (982)


> atk/basics/common/region.do complains that sys_errlist is undefined.


> in Ultrix 4.1 /lib/libc.a there is a static for this object, but in

> the libc_G0 there are only "U" references.


> there doesn't appear to be an instance in any of the (so far) created

> libs under andrew/lib. Man pages say its a char *sys_errlist[] which is

> the array of errormessages errno indexes into. -tempted to make some

> garbage out of the qotd database,stuff into a Cprog and see what happens...



I ran into the same problem, and ended up making my own:


1 - I created and compiled a file (errlst.c included below), using the

-G0 switch of course. I got the error messages from the man pages.


2 - Using ar I stuck errlst.o into libc_G0.a in the same position as in

libc.a (use nm -go to find position)


3 - Rebuild Andrew.


That approach worked for me.

    


Jeff.


-----------------Cut here for errlst.c----------------------------

/*

 * Errorlist file created to compensate for DEC's problem with

 * libc_G0.a

 *

 * Modification History:

 *

 * Jeff Putsch		  Fri Feb  1 14:08:22 1991

 *      Initial version created.

 */


char *sys_errlist[] = \{

  "Unused",

  "Not owner",

  "No such file or directory",

  "No such process",

  "Interrupted system call",

  "I/O error",

  "No such device or address",

  "Arg list too long",

  "Exec format error",

  "Bad file number",

  "No children",

  "No more processes",

  "Not enough core",

  "Permission denied",

  "Bad address",

  "Block device required",

  "Mount device busy",

  "File exists",

  "Cross-device link",

  "No such device",

  "Not a directory",

  "Is a directory",

  "Invalid argument",

  "File table overflow",

  "Too many open files",

  "Not a typewriter",

  "Text file busy",

  "File too large",

  "No space left on device",

  "Illegal seek",

  "Restricted operation on a file system",

  "Too many links",

  "Broken pipe",

  "Argument too large",

  "Result too large",

  "Operation would block",

  "Operation now in progress",

  "Operation already in progress",

  "Socket operation on non-socket",

  "Destination address required",

  "Message too long",

  "Protocol wrong type for socket",

  "Protocol not available",

  "Protocol not supported",

  "Socket type not supported",

  "Error-operation not supported",

  "Protocol family not supported",

  "Address family not supported by protocol family",

  "Address already in use",

  "Cannot assign requested address",

  "Network is down",

  "Network is unreachable",

  "Network dropped connection on reset",

  "Software caused connection abort",

  "Connection reset by peer",

  "No buffer space available",

  "Socket is already connected",

  "Socket is not connected",

  "Cannot send after socket shutdown",

  "Too many references: cannot splice",

  "Connection timed out",

  "Connection refused",

  "Too many levels of symbolic links",

  "File name too long",

  "Host is down",

  "No route to host",

  "Directory not empty",

  "Too many processes",

  "Too many users",

  "Disk quota exceeded",

  "Stale NFS file handle",

  "Too many levels of remote in path",

  "No message of desired type",

  "Identifier removed",

  "Alignment error",

  "No locks available",

  "Function not implemented"

  \};


int sys_nerr = 77;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 15-Jul-91 messages 
program looking in.. Bill Schell@allegra.att. (529)}


\quotation{Is there a way to get the messages program to not look in 

}\quotation{~/.MESSAGES first, but to look in a file by another name?

}\quotation{I tried moving my .MESSAGES file to ~/.MESSAGES.magic, and then 

}\quotation{set mspath to ~/.MESSAGES.magic, but messages didn't like it at 
all.

}
If you set the mspath preference and re-started the AMS application, this 
should have worked.  What you want is something like:


*.mspath: ~/.MESSAGES.magic:$OFFICIAL:$LOCAL:$EXTERNAL


Is that anything like what you tried?

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Subject: Neat CUI script trick
Cc: 

I've found a neat (and probably painfully obvious to the rest of you) trick
for CUI scripts.  I started out with a script called `bbpurge', which
did epoching of bboards (obviously), which went something like this:

#!/bin/sh
cui 2>&1 <<'EOF'
<insert script here>
EOF

I just realized that there is an easier way to do this (although you
don't get the benefits of the 2>&1 redirection):

#1/usr/andrew/bin/cui source
<insert script here>
quit

Obviously, this depends on having #! interpretation, but since All Good
Kernels provide it, this allows you to save One WHOLE process ( :-) )
while doing a CUI script...

-GAWollman
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Date: 18 Jul 91 08:10:22 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
Subject: Does ATK expect infinite virtual memory?
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I noticed that the return value from malloc() is generally not checked
in ATK source code (at least not in the small sample I took).  Does
ATK have a special version of malloc that aborts when it runs out of
memory, or are core dumps are mysterious places the only symptom of
running out of memory?  I'd hate spending time debugging a program
only to find out that it ran out of memory, so before I even fire up
gdb...

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
Subject: Re: AMS_NonAMSDelivery
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youki@neptune.ics.osaka-u.ac.jp (Youki Kadobayashi) writes:

>One more question to Andrew guru: Can I set up AMS so that I can
>read/post netnews without AFS? We have NNTP but we don't have AFS and
>Kerberos.

I can't find it right now, but I seem to recall a reply to this saying
"no, you don't need AFS or Kerberos to interface to netnews".  Can
anyone shed some more constructive light on this matter, such as a
pointer to a help file (oh dear! how optimistic) with instructions?

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
"PS I have never kissed the editor of the Radio Times"
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Subject: Re: Does ATK expect infinite virtual memory?
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Yes, the ATK malloc will print out an error message and exit when it
runs out of memory.  This was the subject of much debate, as you can
imagine...
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The netwews situation is kind of complicated.  You can use a set of
programs (nntppoll, nns) to set up daemons that take netnews and feed it
into an AMS database, but of course this creates a second copy of
netnews for most sites (i.e. those that want some people to read news
with AMS and some with standard news readers).  There is some code that
is intended to make AMS able to read the native news database format,
but it doesn't really work very well.  I may try to fix it up this fall,
but until then, there are two alternatives, neither of them good...

If you have a fair amount of disk space, I can provide details on how to
feed netnews into an AMS database...  -- Nathaniel
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To convert Andrew fonts to a .fb format (for use with OpenWindows) from their 
Bitmap Distribution Format (.bdf), we first build Andrew with FONTS_TO_BDF_ENV 
defined.  Defining this symbol should result in all of the Andrew fonts being 
installed into $\{DESTDIR\}/X11fonts in .bdf format.


Defining FONTS_TO_BDF_ENV correctly installs fonts in .bdf format, but 
incorrectly builds the corresponding  fonts.alias file. 
 $\{AFSBASEDIR\}/xmkfontd/Imakefile doesn't check for FONTS_TO_BDF_ENV, but 
rather forces the xmkfntdir.csh script to build fonts.alias expecting .snf 
extensions.  The result is a (nearly) empty fonts.alias file at the conclusion 
of an Andrew build.


Bob Dew

National Institutes of Health

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rdew@alw.nih.gov


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Date: 18 Jul 91 13:53:27 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
Subject: Re: messages hangs/dies with "Checkpointing message server state..."
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Earlier, I wrote:

>when I start up messages, after about a minute it
>displays the string "Checkpointing message server state..." and then
>accepts no further input.

I have applied gdb to a core dump of the process in its hanging state
(created by sending it a QUIT signal), but can't make heads or tails
out of it.  It seems to be hung in a select with ~infinite timeout
(perhaps waiting for X events, which I carefully chose not to send it?)

Here's the backtrace:

(gdb) frame
#0  0xf76f6310 in select ()
(gdb) up
#1  0x67260 in xws__HandleFiles (self=(struct xws *) 0x111a40, WaitTime=2000000000, beCheap=0) (xws.c line 72)
72              return xim_HandleFiles(WaitTime, beCheap);
(gdb) up
#2  0x9102c in im__Interact (classID=(struct classheader *) 0x0, mayBlock=1) (im.c line 2005)
2005                                    windowsystem_HandleFiles(currentWS, WaitTime, FALSE);
(gdb) up
#3  0x91328 in im__KeyboardProcessor (classID=(struct classheader *) 0xf9378) (im.c line 2113)
2113            im_Interact(TRUE);
(gdb) up
#4  0x832d8 in application__Run (self=(struct application *) 0x111a58) (app.c line 309)
309         im_KeyboardProcessor();
(gdb) up
#5  0x2b24 in main (argc=1, argv=(char **) 0xf7fffb04) (runapp.c line 218)
218                 exitCode=application_Run(app);
(gdb) up
Initial frame selected; you cannot go up.
(gdb) quit

I mentioned I added something to AndrewSetup;  Craig asked details.
These two lines are my entire AndrewSetup file:

FormatCommand: dieqn -Tpsc /tmp/%s.n | ditroff -Tpsc - |
PrintCommand: psdit | lpr -P${PRINTER-oce}

But I repeated the experiment with this file removed, and got the same
results.

Craig also asks:

>(Are you running out of VM for all the execs?)

I don't know what you mean here.  I can print documents from ez just
fine, it that helps.

When I send some keyclicks to messages while it appears hung, it
starts consuming all the available CPU time.  A core dump from it in
this state reveals the following:

(gdb) frame
#0  0xf76d2cd0 in ioctl ()
(gdb) up
#1  0xb5b2c in XNextEvent ()
(gdb) up
#2  0x6dc08 in HandleWindowEvent (display=(struct _XDisplay *) 0x121cb8) (xim.c line 2422)
2422            XNextEvent(display, &event);
(gdb) up
#3  0x6eb88 in xim__HandleFiles (ClassID=(struct classheader *) 0xf694c, twait=15557, beCheap=0) (xim.c line 2827)
2827                        HandleWindowEvent(windowList[i].display);
(gdb) up
#4  0x67260 in xws__HandleFiles (self=(struct xws *) 0x111af8, WaitTime=234307, beCheap=0) (xws.c line 72)
72              return xim_HandleFiles(WaitTime, beCheap);
(gdb) up
#5  0x9102c in im__Interact (classID=(struct classheader *) 0x0, mayBlock=1) (im.c line 2005)
2005                                    windowsystem_HandleFiles(currentWS, WaitTime, FALSE);
(gdb) up
#6  0x91328 in im__KeyboardProcessor (classID=(struct classheader *) 0xf9378) (im.c line 2113)
2113            im_Interact(TRUE);
(gdb) up
#7  0x832d8 in application__Run (self=(struct application *) 0x111b10) (app.c line 309)
309         im_KeyboardProcessor();
(gdb) up
#8  0x2b24 in main (argc=1, argv=(char **) 0xf7fffb04) (runapp.c line 218)
218                 exitCode=application_Run(app);
(gdb) up
Initial frame selected; you cannot go up.
(gdb)

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
"The life of a Repo Man is always intense"
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Date: 18 Jul 91 17:41:02 GMT
From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara
Subject: Re: Does ATK expect infinite virtual memory?
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>I noticed that the return value from malloc() is generally not checked
>in ATK source code (at least not in the small sample I took).

Probably for much the same reason it's not checked in a lot of UNIX
source code - nobody bothered putting in code to check.  (ATK does seem,
at least in the case of I/O calls, to be a bit more robust, in that it
does seem to check more carefully for errors than many UNIX programs do,
though.)

>Does ATK have a special version of malloc

Yes, but...

>that aborts when it runs out of memory

...no, it appears to return NULL if it runs out of memory, or if other
problems occur.  Check out "overhead/malloc" - "malloc()" itself is in
"malloc.ci", and is defined with:

	char *
	procdef(malloc)(nbytes)
	unsigned nbytes;

(i.e., don't look for "^malloc" nor "malloc(" to find the definition).
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Date: 18 Jul 91 16:47:45 GMT
From: borg!currituck!menges@mcnc.org  (John Menges)
Subject: Compilation problem, DECstation 5000, Ultrix 4.2
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I'm trying to compile andrew (PL10) from the complete distribution on
a DECstation 5000 running 4.2.  I've taken libm.a and libX11.a from
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/G0 and copied /lib/libc.a to
$(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0, and added errlst.c as someone suggested
earlier.  I've also added patches posted by Henke.  Included below are
my site.mcr and site.h files, and the error message.
Has anybody seen this?  Any ideas on how to fix it?

(By the way, I had to set XLIBDIR in order to get it to work this far.)

/* Empty site.mcr file.  Use this file to hold all */
/* your site's changes to allsys.mcr and system.mcr. */
XUTILDIR = /usr/local/bin/X11
XMKFONTDIR = $(XUTILDIR)/mkfontdir
XFC = $(XUTILDIR)/bdftosnf
#ifdef sys_pmax_3
MIPSLIBC_G0 = $(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0/libc
XLIBDIR = $(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0
#endif

/* Empty site.h file.  Use this file to hold all */
/* your site's changes to allsys.h and system.h. */

#undef DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV
#ifdef sys_sun3_41
#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/sun3_41
#endif
#ifdef sys_rs_aix3
#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/rs_aix31
#endif
#ifdef sys_pmax_3
#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3
#endif

#undef DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV
#define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV DEFAULT_ANDREW_ENV/local

#undef LINKINSTALL_ENV

#define CONTRIB_ENV	1
#define MK_BASIC_UTILS	1
#define MK_AUTHORING	1
#define MK_EXAMPLES	1

Error:

building (dependInstall) (/omicron/jeffayW/andrew/cmu/src/atk/lset)

...

cc -Dvoid=int -O -I/unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3/include/atk -I/unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3/include -I//usr/include/X11 -G 0 "-Wl,-D,1000000"  -o createcon  mkcon.o  /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3/lib/libutil.a /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3/lib/libafs.a  /unc/menges/andrew/cmu/pmax_3/lib/libclass.a  
i_errno: a large common placed in gp area because of a small undefined reference (possible gp relocation errors may result)
ld:
/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 4 for symbol: svc_lastlookup
/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 5 for symbol: svc_lastlookup
/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or
.sbss symbol

...

/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 57 for symbol: svc_lastlookup
/lib/libc.a(gethostent.o): above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating createcon with is 2376
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
          73069 in the positive direction,
              0 in the negative direction.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

...
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\template{messages}
See if you can get Messages to hang after doing this:

	(0) quit Messages entirely

	(1) remove your ~/.MS.ToPrint file (or whatever)

	(2) remove your ~/preferences file that contains the FormatCommand and 
PrintCommand

	[This could be ~/preferences, ~/.preferences, or ~/.Xdefaults]

	(3) restart Messages from scratch, but don't ask to print anything.


Do you then still get this hanging behavior?


If so, there's some unusual problem.  If not, I have to suspect that Messages 
had loaded your preferences file before you removed it.


		Craig

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The itc malloc package offers the entry point SetM0Handler() to specify a 
function to be called when insufficient memory is found.  ATK itself uses the 
default behavior which is to 


	a)  write out a message

	b)  return 0


Most malloc calls in ATK have been modified in recent months to check for a 
zero return.


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  I'm trying to compile andrew (PL10) from the complete distribution on
  a DECstation 5000 running 4.2.  I've taken libm.a and libX11.a from
  emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/G0 and copied /lib/libc.a to
  $(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0, and added errlst.c as someone suggested
  earlier.  I've also added patches posted by Henke.  Included below are
  my site.mcr and site.h files, and the error message.
  Has anybody seen this?  Any ideas on how to fix it?

  (By the way, I had to set XLIBDIR in order to get it to work this far.)

[site.h and .mcr deleted]

i think  i can  help with this  one...  you didn't define RESOLVLIB in
your mcr  file   because  the resolver  routines   are in libc.    the
imakefile in  the  directory where   your compile  blew up links  with
$(RESOLVLIB) or something  like that.  since  the resolver stuff isn't
there the linker happily trys /lib/libc.a (the G 8) one that is.

a  fix  using your site.mcr would be  to just  define RESOLVLIB to  be
$(BASEDIR)/lib/mips_G0/libc.a

-jay
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There are a whole RAFT of little niggling changes that one has to make
to get ATK to compile on Ultrix4.2.

The problem you are having with the relocation references is probably
due to errlst.c not having been compiled -G 0.

Or it may be that the magic constant NUM_RELOC_SECTS in
overhead/class/machdep/dec_mips is too low.  I change the line to read:

#define NUM_RELOC_SECTS (R_SN_LIT4 + 1)

Or it may be that the mips compiler is being nasty, and that the
ProgramTarget rule in config/andrew.rls needs to be changed so that the
final link is NOT -G 0.

If you care to try these, go ahead.

I am in the process of packaging a new DECMIPS integration to hand off
to CMU which deals with Ultrix4.2, and does NOT need -G 0 libraries. 
(Actually Zalman Stern did the hard work, I just integrated and tested.)

If the first two things don't help, I advise waiting for us to get our
act together in producing bonafide support for Ultrix4.2.

-wdc
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> Guido van Rossum wrote:

> >when I start up messages, after about a minute it
> >displays the string "Checkpointing message server state..." and then
> >accepts no further input.

[Stuff deleted]

> When I send some keyclicks to messages while it appears hung, it
> starts consuming all the available CPU time.  A core dump from it in
> this state reveals the following:

[Stuff deleted]

   I get exactly the sames symptoms with messages. It hangs with the same message and
when I click in it, runapp take all the available cpu. If someone has some hints to correct
this, I'm interested in it. I do this on an HP 9000/425t running hpux. 

   I must repeat (I asked for this some weeks ago) that I have still hundreds of the following
warnings when I build ATK. 

WARNING:messages.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObject routine

   Someone points to me that they come from a bug in lex. Flex doesn't work too for some other
reason. Is there a workaround ? Maybe the problem in messages come from the same reason.



                    Claude Lecommandeur
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>See if you can get Messages to hang after doing this:
>        (0) quit Messages entirely
>        (1) remove your ~/.MS.ToPrint file (or whatever)
>        (2) remove your ~/preferences file that contains the FormatCommand and
>PrintCommand
>        [This could be ~/preferences, ~/.preferences, or ~/.Xdefaults]
>        (3) restart Messages from scratch, but don't ask to print anything.
>
>Do you then still get this hanging behavior?
>
>If so, there's some unusual problem.  If not, I have to suspect that
>Messages had loaded your preferences file before you removed it.

Seems I've got a usual problem -- it goes away if I remove .MS.ToPrint.
But this means I can't print at all -- if I attempt to print a
messages it hangs in the same manner.

Any suggestion on what causes the problem and how to fix it?

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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I have being using the Andrew Toolkit for some time
and I have developed an Electronic Document Service
using Andrew modules.
Hovever, info on Andrew arrives to me indirectly.
I assume there is a bb where info can be sent and
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How can I connect to it?
Any help about how to get information on Andrew
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\quotation{Seems I've got a usual problem -- it goes away if I remove 
.MS.ToPrint.

}\quotation{But this means I can't print at all -- if I attempt to print a

}\quotation{messages it hangs in the same manner.

}
What it means is that everything is OK except for your printing setup. 
 Something in it is causing Messages (the message server) to hang up.  I 
suggest you re-investigate your setup.  What you need to do is make sure that 
the ezprint command works in your environment.  (I think I pointed you at the 
source for where the message server tries to exec ezprint.)


		Craig

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From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
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I seem to have fixed my problem.  The cause was that ezprint wasn't
built.  I must say that I am not at all pleased by the way Messages
handled this absence; I've probably invested a whole workday in
tracking it down.

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
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Date: 19 Jul 91 13:52:58 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl!guido@uunet.uu.net  (Guido van Rossum)
Subject: Re: messages hangs/dies with "Checkpointing message server state..."
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I wrote:
>> >when I start up messages, after about a minute it
>> >displays the string "Checkpointing message server state..." and then
>> >accepts no further input.

lecom@SIIHP1.EPFL.CH ("", " Claude Lecommandeur SIC-SII ") writes:
>I get exactly the sames symptoms with messages. It hangs with the
>same message and when I click in it, runapp take all the available
>cpu. If someone has some hints to correct this, I'm interested in it.
>I do this on an HP 9000/425t running hpux.

I got mail that made a bit clear.  Remove a file ~/.MS.ToPrint (or
some such) and don't try to print anything, then Messages won't hang.
I also got a hint that I should make sure that "ezprint" works; it
doesn't even get built in the default configuration, so this may be
the true cause of the problem; I'm still investigating this...

--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
"There are more bugs per line in ATK (esp. Messages) than in any other
package per file." --anon. (not me!)
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>
> I seem to have fixed my problem.  The cause was that ezprint wasn't
> built.  I must say that I am not at all pleased by the way Messages
> handled this absence; I've probably invested a whole workday in
> tracking it down.
>
> --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl>
> "There are hundreds of possible features for abstract data types,
> but only one example: the stack"

Hey, you get what you paid for it... :-)

BTW, we are using messages at our site for years, and got
no problems...

        Juergen

P.S.: i forgot to mention that i like it...


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I have written an attractive document to describe some software I have 
written. I then came to print it, and came unstuck. To illustrate the tree 
structure I had used \italic{org}, since this makes the job easy. However, 
\italic{ezprint} says:


\typewriter{Starting ezprint (Version 7.0, ATK 15.5); please wait...

Malloc arena corruption discovered at - fr}


I am running patch level 9, on a Sun 3/280 server. Has this been fixed in 
patchlevel 10? Also, do I need to apply all patch 10 patches, or can I apply 
each one and build as I get them? It's just that I have only a 1200 baud line 
to download the patch! Eons roll by!


	Regards,

		Mark.


ps. I am sent away for two years from 5th August [on business, not as a guest 
of Her Majesty] so I really need to print it before then. If that means 
removing the org diagrams, then so be it.

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Certainly Messages should behave better in the absence of ezprint.  I
will look into making this the case.  -- NB
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From: Bill Cattey <wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu,
        "(" Claude Lecommandeur SIC-SII ")" <lecom@siihp1.epfl.ch>
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Claude, I sincerely believe you are suffering from a fatal side effect
of lex not quite working on the andrew class rules it is handed.

I explained this in some detail in a previous message.

Is there some way you can obtain Berkeley lex?

-wdc
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Date: 22 Jul 91 19:04:50 GMT
From: borg!menges!menges@mcnc.org  (John Menges)
Subject: DECstation 5000/120 Ultrix 4.2 and fonts, PL10
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I can't get fonts to work right on the DECstation 5000/120 running
Ultrix 4.2.  I get the oft-mentioned problem with the ez cursor
showing up as letters, e.g., 'a'.

I've run mkfontdir in the X11fonts directory.  ez is putting
$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts in the font path.  xlsfonts never shows the andy
fonts.  I've tried the non-andrew.fonts.alias file as well, and I've
tried 'xset fp rehash' and restarting the x server.  The only thing
strange I notice is that the fonts provided by DEC end in .pcf rather
than .snf.  Any ideas?
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from Alexandria.andrew.info-andrew: 22-Jul-91 
DECstation 5000/120 Ultrix .. John Menges@mcnc.org (527)}


\quotation{I can't get fonts to work right on the DECstation 5000/120 running

}\quotation{Ultrix 4.2.  I get the oft-mentioned problem with the ez cursor

}\quotation{showing up as letters, e.g., 'a'.

}
\quotation{I've run mkfontdir in the X11fonts directory.  ez is putting

}\quotation{$ANDREWDIR/X11fonts in the font path.  xlsfonts never shows the 
andy

}\quotation{fonts.  I've tried the non-andrew.fonts.alias file as well, and 
I've

}\quotation{tried 'xset fp rehash' and restarting the x server.  The only 
thing

}\quotation{strange I notice is that the fonts provided by DEC end in .pcf 
rather

}\quotation{than .snf.  Any ideas?

}


We have a similiar problem.  We are trying to get (please don't laugh) the 
fonts to work on VMS's DECwindows.  We converted them from bdf fonts, but it 
will only use some of the text fonts and none of the special symbols.  Has 
anyone else sucessfully done this?



	jeff




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The new DECMIPS integration I sent to CMU adds font rules to do .pcf files.
I expect CMU will make it into a patch eventually.

-wdc
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   The new DECMIPS integration I sent to CMU adds font rules to do .pcf files.
   I expect CMU will make it into a patch eventually.

   -wdc

Can I get this from one of you early, or instructions on how to
generate .pcf files?

Bill, thanks for your earlier help on getting Andrew compiled for Ultrix!
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  Still about the warnings :

WARNING:tscript.ch: - FinalizeObject routine declared with no InitializeObjectroutine

  I was told that it comes from a bug in the lex utility, so I wrote the little script "sunlex" :

#!/bin/sh 
# ----- executing lex on somesun
#
if [ $# != 1 ]; then
    echo "Usage : $0 lexfile"
    exit 1
fi
cat $1 | remsh somesun -l me_on_somesun lex -t > lex.yy.c

    and define "LEX = sunlex" in site.mcr, and the warnings vanished. If this is not distributed
computing, I don't know what it is.

   But I have still some problems :

    1)  messages refuses to see my incoming new mails. I don't use the AMS delivery system
and here is my AndrewSetup file :

staff> cat /sic/andrew/etc/AndrewSetup
AMS_NonAMSDelivery: yes
AMS_MailBoxPrefix: /usr/mail

    But messages never look in /usr/mail. (I have a unset hold in my .mailrc)

    2) help behave strangely : when I start it the program list is very short (20 entries), but if I
expand and then shrink it, it becomes much larger (and useful). And when I request help on
some non andrew topic, I get only garbage : some thing like this :

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I have been trying to compile andrew on a Sun 4/330, SunOS 4.1.1 with
sun cc using the default options except for #define CONTRIB_ENV in
site.h.

However I get the following link errors

ld: Undefined symbol 
   _dn_expand 
   _res_search 
   _res_init 
   __res 
   _dn_skipname 

when trying to compile cuin in andrew/ams/msclients/cui.  These errors
also occur trying to compile other things (nns for example).

I am using the andrew at patch level 10 ftp'd from uunet.uu.net.

Trying to track the problem, I found that dn_skipname is set from the
macro dn_SKIPNAME in andrew/overhead/mail/lib/valhost.c and depends on
whether CQUERYM is defined.  At this point I am lost.  Suggestions?

Thanks.
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I was just looking at the Ness documentation, and of course it refers me to

	/usr/andrew/doc/atk/ness/nessuser.doc

and of course, that's not the right location on my system (it should say

	/import/andrew/doc/atk/ness/nessuser.doc

) and it seemed to me a reasonable idea to do the following:

For all the help files, replace /usr/andrew with %ANDREWDIR (should
be one operation with a good emacs), and then add a sed script to the
installation procedure which replaces %ANDREWDIR with $ANDREWDIR,
so that the documentation is correct.

This is especially annoying because I have a hack that allows me to select
a file name, then bring up a window on that file, and help is strewn through
with filenames, but they're *all* wrong!!!

Bill
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We're phasing out the /usr/andrew directory here at CMU too, so this would be 
good for us (I think /usr/local is going to be the politically correct name 
for %ANDREWDIR here soon, although /usr/andrew will still be a symbolic link 
to /usr/local).


It's funny, in the beginning of the Andrew project, it all lived in 
/usr/local. The creation of a separate /usr/andrew directory was a major 
event. Now we're putting it back into /usr/local as part of a wider scheme of 
software package management.......


Chris Koenigsberg

ckk+@andrew.cmu.edu

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Do you run the internet domain resolver?  If so, you must set the destination 
of your RESOLVLIB in your site.mcr file.  If you send me a copy of your site 
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Thanks, 


Susan Straub

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As you may know, the ITC makes available an archived list of messages posted 
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The archive files have been updated to June, 1991.  You can access the files 
via anonymous ftp in the top-level ia-archive directory on 
emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62).   


Just thought you might want to recycle some of that disk space.  


Susan Straub

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I am trying to install andrew patchlevel 10 on a Dec 5120 running Ultrix 4.2.
There appears to be a problem with the tools to build dynamically loaded
objects.

doindex fails for ./atk/basics/common/region.c viz:

doindex: indexing region.do ...doload:  Undefined symbol: sys_errlist
doload:  Errors while processing
doindex: NULL entrypoint from region.do...program terminated!

I remember seeing an article in this group not so long ago about patches for
Ultrix 4.2 - of course I didn't save it because I had no idea then I 
would be building andrew! Anyway, if the author of that message could get
in touch - or anyone who has got this to work - I would be most
grateful (replies via email).

[I had a look on emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu but could not find any patches or
any recent articles - the july articles aren't there yet !]


Andrew
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Please send us Andrew's changes to the gdb debugger, distributed by GNU, 
and answer the following questions:

- Do you use xgdb, distributed together with gdb ? If so, is it possible
  to install it under X-Windows Release 4, because the source version we 
  obtained uses Release 3 features and the installation fails due to unresolved
  symbols: _XawAsciiSinkCreate, _XShapeQueryExtension, _XShapeCombineMask ?

- Is the new version of documentation for the new ATK release or updates of the
  old one available ? If so, please send us an ordering information.

		Regards,
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