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I'm not sure why you're asking about the .SubscriptionMap file; as Craig
said, it should be totally automatic.  If you suspect that it is
corrupted, however, you can type "rebuild" in the cui program to rebuild
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have questions) Date: 2 Jul 90 20:24:32 GMT From:
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(Pat Wilson) Organization: Project NORTHSTAR, Dartmouth College Subject:
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info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu 
I'm contemplating converting our mail system to AMS in the hopes that
that would stop our constant mail (mainly flock) problems. We've got
about 100 workstations on 3 AFS servers.  I'd like to hear pros and cons
of AMS - I've heard it's *big*, and a pain to administer, but I'm
willing to put up with some amount of hassle if it'll solve our mail
problems in a _robust_ way. 
If you've faced a similar decision, I'd be interested in knowing what
you did about it and why. 
Thanks. 
Pat Wilson Operations Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
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have questions) Date: 2 Jul 90 11:14:03 GMT From:
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CSMVAX, Liverpool University Subject: Andrew on HP workstations
Message-Id: <1990Jul2.121404.10693@mva.cs.liv.ac.uk> Sender:
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Some time ago, I remember seeing a message that the patches to allow
Andrew to be complied under Hewlett-Packard's version of Unix, hpux 7.0,
would be made available with Patch 6 in the current series. Is this
true?  If so, have you any idea when patch 6 will be released please? 
Thanks, 
Martin Beer, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Liverpool. 
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...from the home office in PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA: 
		   Top 10 Reasons to Convert to AMS 
10.  Multimedia 9.  Enthusiastic support from ITC and other AMS users 8.
 Bitmapped, glass tty, dumb tty, and emacs interfaces 7.  That "Le Car"
is just the jauntiest thing around...  Oh, sorry, 	that's a reason to
convert to *AMC* 6.  Mail filtering with FLAMES 5.  Active message
features:  Votes, return-receipts, subscription 	invitations,
auto-redistribution, etc. 4.  Most up-to-date popular mail system 3. 
Bugs:  You find 'em, we fix 'em 2.  Seamless interface with ATK 
	   ...and the number one reason to convert to AMS: 
1.  Annoy your colleagues all over the world with those nasty 	"An
Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but 	 could not
be displayed" messages! 
[An Andrew ToolKit view (a ThrillCam ride) was included here, but could
not be displayed.] 
______________                  _____________________________ Bob
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Ummm, Craig, I think you meant 10^4 users, not 10^5.  I can think of a
lot of people who'd be just a little surprised to find 100,000 users at
this cell. 
We've currently got a little over 9000 users at then andrew.cmu.edu
cell. I have to admit to being pretty happy with the way our local mail
is handled. My only complaint is with "messages" which bogs down and IBM
RT and a Sun 3/50. (I have a Sun 3/50 on my desk.)  Fortunately, CMU is
in the process of installing DECstation 3100's all over campus, and
"messages" runs wonderfully on those. 
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Jul 90 11:26:04 -0700 From: Martin Fong <fong@itstd.sri.com> To:
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Editor? 
     I would like to create new, and extend existing, Andrew fonts. Does
Andrew have a font editor to support this, and if so, how may I obtain
it?  (From my perusal of the X11R4 distribution, it's not apparent where
such an editor resides, although I have encountered wm font utilities in
overhead/fonts/cmd/.) 
     Thanks, 
     Martin Fong			fong@itstd.sri.com      Senior Software
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To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: oun@clbull.cl.bull.fr Subject:
private Bboards 

   I'd like to use the ATK private bboard as private meeting tool in a
multi-machine environment. If anyone has experienced this before, I'd be
interested in having some opinion about the following points: 
  -The bboards.ins file that describes how to install the AMS BBoards   
system says that in order to run the Bboard , "Every BB machine must be 
  a workstation type that supports AFS". 
   What about UNIX machines which are not workstations (I mean machines 
  which you can connect X terminals or dumb terminals )? Is it possible
to    run AMS with private Bboards in a secure way on that machines with
(or    without ) AFS . If AFS is mandatory, could some kind soul give me
some    information about it (available on what kind of machines,
copyright for    the US and in the rest of the world, ease of porting,
etc.) 
  -what do you think about the reliability of the security and   
authentification mechanism (compare to the MIT Kerberos system for   
instance). 
   thanks for your help. 


  -- Jean-Luc Oun, Bull			----------------------------------   Software
Development Methodology	email: oun@cl.bull.fr   Les-Clayes(Paris),
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-0400 (EDT) From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> To:
info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: How to Create an AMS Bboard System
Cc: oun@clbull.cl.bull.fr In-Reply-To: <9007041410.AA19641@mdl.bull.fr>
References: <9007041410.AA19641@mdl.bull.fr> 
First of all, the instructions are out of date.  I'm running a bboard
system happily without AFS, as are several other sites that I know of.
So don't worry about AFS in this case. 
As for security, AMS bboards are as secure as the file system they use.
They're much more secure if  you use AFS, because AFS authentication and
protection are so good. 
Basically, to set up a bboard system you need to do a few things, which
I'll outline here in not-too much detail; I encourage you to ask more
specific questions as needed.  I'll describe how you create ONE bboard,
and then talk about how you can generalize the process.  My take on it
is that if you don't know anything about AMS bboards it should still
only take you an hour or two to set up one bboard as described below.
Beyond that, you can probably put in an arbitrary amount of time making
your bboard system more complex and fancy.  Anyway, the instructions
follow.  (CMU PEOPLE:  MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO POLISH THIS UP FOR A HELP
FILE?) 
1.  Set up a bboard account, which I'll assume below is called "bboard". 
2.  Logged in as "bboard", run the cui program and type "create bb" to
create a bboard called "bb". 
3.  Ensure that any mail that comes to "bboard" gets posted on this
bboard by creating the file ~bboard/.AMS.flames, with contents much like
the following single line: 
(defun bb-hook (msg) (appendmsgtodir msg (findfolder "bb" "w"))) 
4.  Create the file ~bboard/.MESSAGES/bb/.MS.DirectPost and put the
following two lines, more or less, in it: 
0 "bb" <bboard@local-host> 
Note that due to a BUG in AMS, you should use some name OTHER THAN your
"ThisDomain" configuration to refer to  your local host.  (For example,
my ThisDomain is "thumper.bellcore.com", and my DirectPost files say
"blah" <foo@thumper> instead of "blah" <foo@thumper.bellcore.com>.)  The
reason you have to go through this is that if "local-host" is identical
to ThisDomain, currently the "bb" portion of this address is sometimes
dropped by the address rewriter.  THIS SHOULD BE FIXED and, indeed,
might already have been fixed for the next patch release -- I just don't
know. 
5.  Set up one or more daemons to process the bboards.  This can be done
in several different ways.  Using SunOS 4.0.X, I do it using the
extended crontab facility.  Typing "crontab -l" as the bboard account, I
see that I currently have 4 daemons set up: 
0 * * * * /u/andrew/bin/processmsgs 5 1 * * * /u/andrew/bin/collectlogs
5 0 * * * /u/andrew/bin/dailypurge 15 0 * * 0 /u/andrew/bin/weeklypurge 
The first one posts the notices.  The second runs nightly to collect the
logs from the other daemons.  The last two purge different bboards at
daily and weekly intervals.  Note that these daemons all run as "bboard"
(or, in my case, as "andrew").    The shell scripts used will be
appended below. 
That's it!  I think that's all you really have to do.  Once you're set
up like this, you can use any AMS interface to send mail to "bb" and it
will get routed to the bboard.  To generalize beyond this to a rich set
of zillions of bboards, you need to learn a little more about
.MS.DirectPost files, and potentially a lot more about .AMS.flames
files.  (FLAMES is a LISP-like language that you can use to route
incoming messages to the correct bboards.)  I believe that both are
documented in the help system, but feel free to ask if you have any more
questions.  Good luck.  -- Nathaniel 
________________________________ The four crontab scripts referred to
above follow below.  You'll probably need to change some path names, bb
names, etc. -- think of these as just suggestions regarding how to set
up such daemons, because I make no guarantees that they'll work for
anyone else.    Bear in mind, they're intended to be running for the
"andrew" account here at Bellcore.  Also, the "arch" program is a local
hack that returns the cpu type of the machine, e.g. sun3, sun4, etc.  --
it is used below to find the right path names for some binaries.
________________________________ processmsgs
________________________________ #!/bin/csh -f 
echo $$ > /tmp/cronlock.processmsgs sleep 5 if ($$ !=  `cat
/tmp/cronlock.processmsgs`) exit set CUIPS = `ps ux | grep cui  | grep
andrew | grep -v grep` set LOGFILE = ~/bb.log if ("" == "$CUIPS") then  
  echo "Starting CUI now" >>&	 $LOGFILE    /u/andrew/`arch`/bin/cui set