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Hello there, 
I'm interested in Andrew styles. In the files style.ch and style.c there
are a lot of style attributes defined. When I make my own styles with
the command "edit styles" in the ez editor, only part of those
attributes become visible. 
Now my specific questions: 1. In style.c there is the following structure: 
        static char *MarginValueAlias[] = {     		"ConstantMargin",   
		 "LeftMargin", 		 "LeftEdge",    		 "RightMargin",   		 "RightEdge",  
 		 "TopMargin",    		 "TopEdge",    		 "BottomMargin",    		
"BottomEdge",    		 "PreviousIndentation",    		 NULL 	}; 	 	I've never
seen values like "LeftEdge", "RightEdge", "TopMargin",  	"TopEdge",
"BottomMargin", "BottomEdge". Is it possible to 	set any of those values
for a normal user? 
2. In style.c there is the following structure: 
	static char *FlagAlias[] = {    		 "Underline",    		 "Hidden",    		
"ReadOnly",    		 "PassThru",    		 "Icon",             /* unused */   
		 "ContinueIndent",   		 "Hinge",   		 "NewPage",   		 "ChangeBar",  
		 "OverBar",    		 "NoWrap",    		 "NoFill",   		 "KeepPriorNL",   		
"KeepNextNL",   		 "TabsCharacters",   		 NULL 	}; 
	I've never seen Flags like "Hidden", "NewPage" and "ReadOnly". 	Is it
possible to set any of those flags for a normal user? 
3. There is another interesting structure in style.c: 
	static char *FaceStyleAlias[] = {     		"Bold",     		"Italic",    
		"Shadow",    		"FixedFace",    		"Outline",    		"Thin",    
		"Black",     		"Medium",     		"Heavy",     		"Condense",    		NULL
		}; 
	I've never seen Flags like  "Shadow", "Outline", "Thin", "Black",    
	"Medium","Heavy" and "Condense". Is it possible to set any of those
	flags for a normal user? 	If yes, what's the meaning of "Thin",
"Black", "Medium","Heavy" and 	"Condense"? 
Thanks for your taking your time. That's not my first question. Maybe
you remember I'm working on a ATK - RTF converter. The base of my work
is the converter that was started at MIT. 
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(Nathan D. Lane) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Printing not
working w/Andrew on AIX Summary: Print jobs idsappear out of queue
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I am running atk version 5.1 on AIX 3.2 and am having problems printing.
Here is my .preferences file: 
formatcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | lp -dsacker; rm
/tmp/%s.n previewcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn | psroff -t | gs -; rm
/tmp/%s.n printcommand: cat /tmp/%s.n | eqn -Tpsc | troff -Tpsc | psc |
lp -dsacker 
I see the print jobs appear in the queue sacker, but they are almost
always 12 blocks long - just a blank postscript document and it usually
prints one blank page.  I have seen some errors from troff, but they
never really show up anywhere.  Sometimes it's "Point size too big for
font CO" or "Invalid input character (.)".  I guess I can't put periods
in my documents?  Is this an IBM troff problem or is this an Andrew
problem?' 
Thanks for any assistance. 
-Nathan Lane Triicon Systems, Inc., Santa Barbara, CA
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Subject: Andrew, particularly Flames 
Andrew information and/or Fred Hansen, 
You can please see from the attached dialogues that our HP system does
not support Flames because of some incompatibility with low level HP
code.  Is this the Andrew Consortium official position?  At the Univ. of
Liverpool, there are several important features of Andrew which do not
work, and I continue to wonder whether this is true at other HP sites or
not. 
Thank you, Roy 
From R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb  3 11:30:16 1993 Date: Wed,
27 Jan 93 12:34:24 GMT From: R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci To:
M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, info-andrew+@edu.cmu.andrew Cc:
chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,        
perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,        
daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci
In-Reply-To: Martin Beer's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000
(GMT) <0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> Subject: AMS, FLAMES 
How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is supposed
to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? 
Roy 
   Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:12:58 +0000 (GMT)    From: Martin Beer
<M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci>    Mime-Version: 1.0    Content-Type:
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<9301262018.AA10170@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> 
   Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (635) 
   > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and more    >
significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, and so on without   
> any further programming, might we please establish what are the pros  
 > and cons of this so that we can write a well-argued letter to the   
> experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why
   > we would like this software of Andrew available.  Among other
things,    > some of our M.Phil. students, such as Perena, could then
pursue her    > M.Phil. work more effectively.  Perhaps the
Aide-de-Campe project    > would be interested in collaboration in this
work on email filtering    > and such as well.    > Roy 
   Dave and myself have looked at flames several times. 
   If it is to work on our machines, a significant development effort is
   required, that neither Dave nor myself have time to undertake.  I
have    been in contact with CMU several times, and they have no better
idea    than we have as to what is wrong. 
   Aide-de-Camp has a much more sophisticated mailing filter which has
been    developed here.  I am told that their only interest would be to
look at    FLAMES as an example of how someone else approached a similar
problem. 
   I hopw this helps, 
   Martin 


   Dr. Martin Beer,    Department of Computer Science,		Telephone
051-794-3672    University of Liverpool,		Fax: 051-794-3715    Chadwick
Tower, P.O. Box 147,           EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci   
LIVERPOOL.  L69 3BX. United Kingdom. 


From D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb  3 11:30:47 1993 From:
D.T.Shield@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Subject: Re: AMS, FLAMES To:
mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Martin Beer),        
rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Prof. Roy Rada) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993
12:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Mr. C. Chen),   
     perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Miss. P.I. Gouma),        
wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Weigang Wang),        
frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci (Dr. F.P. Coenen) In-Reply-To:
<0fNasu0000000ofoI0@indus> from "Martin Beer" at Jan 27, 93 11:12:58 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:
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Content-Length: 1616      
 > Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c
(635) > > > Given that you feel we could do significantly faster and
more > > significant, thorough experiments with FLAMES, AMS, 
> >                          we can write a well-argued letter to the >
> experimental officer staff (Dave Shield) as soon as possible as to why
> > we would like this software of Andrew available. > 
Martin,         thank you for drawing this discussion to my attention. 
> How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is >
supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? 
    I am well aware that flames is an outstanding area of the Andrew
system that does not perform as expected.  I do not understand *why*
this is the case, but it undoubtedly is.   The problem appears to be
closely linked with a dialect of Lisp, a language with which I am
completely unfamiliar. 
    I have spent a significant amount of time recently investigating
problems with Andrew, concentrating on those matters that showed a high
likelihood of progress.  The flames matter, though I would indeed like
to have been able to clear it up, was therefore at a disadvantage as I
don't have the necessary expertise to investigate it properly. 
    In more recent times, I have transferred the bulk of my attention to
matters relating directly to networking - which is the primary
responsibility of my post and is what I am meant to be doing. 
  I reiterate my original position that Andrew messages is provided on
an _unsupported_ basis.  I cannot commit myself to a fix for this
problem in any definite timescale. 

From M.D.Beer@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci Wed Feb  3 11:30:56 1993 Date:
Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:52:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Beer
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Re: AMS, FLAMES Cc: chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,
R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,         perena@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,
wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,         daves@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,
frans@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci In-Reply-To:
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<9301271234.AA12829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> 
Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-93 AMS, FLAMES R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.c (1935) 
> How can it not work here if we have a standard system and it is >
supposed to run on standard Hewlett-Packard systems? 
> Roy 

Very simply - there vis a bug in the low-level HP code that interprets
lisp instructions. 
We have tracked it a long way down, but it goes much further.  Now if
someone wants to do some REAL programming (in undocumented HP PA-RISC
assembler) there is a chance to really get stuck in.  Unfortunately
there is noone here or at CMU who knows enough, or has the time to do
anything about it. 
Martin 
Dr. Martin Beer, Department of Computer Science,		Telephone 051-794-3672
University of Liverpool,		Fax: 051-794-3715 Chadwick Tower, P.O. Box
147,           EMail mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci LIVERPOOL.  L69 3BX.
United Kingdom. 

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R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames
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The addition of HP as an AUIS supported platform is enticing, but
unfortunately, in addition to Flames not working, console, tm and
typescript also have bugs that render AUIS crippled as a usable user
interface. 
(If Consortium members could benefit by having remote access on an HP
machine to look at these problems, we'd be happy to accommodate.  Same
goes for the SGI, for that matter, which has similar problems--we'd
benefit greatly from having a fully working AUIS on all supported
architectures). 
Thanks, 
Bob 
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Solaris 2.0 
Much to my delight and surprise, the basic ATK binaries that I compiled
on SunOS 4.1 seem to work fine on Solaris 2.0 without recompilation.  In
particular, typescript and ez run pretty well.  However, NO dynamically
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From: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Message-Id:
<9302032017.AA13829@cal.csc.liv.ac.uk> To: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu,
bobg@zindigo.z-code.com, rdew@alw.nih.gov Cc:
R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,        
info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu, mdb@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk,        
advisory@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, wang@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk,        
chen1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk, zhm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk In-Reply-To:
Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs's message of Wed,  3 Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500
(EST) <ofPxDh200gpm4N5pcl@cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Andrew, particularly
Flames 
Fred Hansen, Bob Glickstein, and Bob Dew, 
I am honored at the rapid and useful feedback.  As I am a low-level
manager with vanishing technical know-how, I ask my technical colleagues
at Liverpool to answer the questions about the details of our technical
problem -- questions which Fred Hansen and Bob Glickstein have posed. 
Bob Dew evidently has a similar HP Andrew Flames problem. 
Thanks, Roy Rada 
Appended the email to which I am now responding: 
  From Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs Wed Feb  3 19:58:08 1993  Date: Wed,  3
Feb 1993 09:17:17 -0500 (EST)  From: Wilfred.Hansen@edu.cmu.cs  To:
R.Rada@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci  Subject: Re: Andrew, particularly Flames
 Cc: mdb@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, ebc@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,         
advisory@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci, wang@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci,         
chen1@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci  In-Reply-To:
<9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk>  References:
<9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk>   Thank you for your response
stating that there is a bug in FLAMES on  the HP.  Could you please send
some indication of the behavior that  indicates there is a bug?  It
would be very helpful to know:   	What flames file are you using which
causes the error?  	What is the flames file supposed to do?  	What goes
wrong?  	What are the contents of your site.h, site.mcr, and
AndrewSetup?  	What mail delivery mechanism (AMDS or some other)?  	What
distributed file system (AFS, NFS, other, or none)?  	What hardware you
are using?  	What network technology?  	What operating system?  	What C
compiler?   It is difficult to fix something when we don't have these
sorts of  details.  It may be that we do not need all the above
information, but  I don't have enough facts about the offending
behaviour to know what  we do need.   We appreciate your attempting to
fix the bug yourselves.  It is very  valuable to have help from people
like yourselves all over the world.  We are willing, however, to try to
fix bugs ourselves as well.   Fred Hansen    From
bobg@com.z-code.zindigo Wed Feb  3 20:02:52 1993  From:
bobg@com.z-code.zindigo (Bob Glickstein)  Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 08:31:40
-0800  In-Reply-To: R.Rada@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk          "Andrew,
particularly Flames" (Feb  3, 11:38am)  References:
<9302031138.AA14003@esk.csc.liv.ac.uk>  Organization: Z-Code Software
Corp., Marin County, CA  Reply-To: Bob Glickstein
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