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From: Tom Crockett <tom@icase.edu>
To: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ark1!ophiuchi!dsill@think.com
    (Dave Sill)
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> *Excerpts from xpert: 31-Jan-90 R4 contrib problems Dave Sill@think.com*
> *(2435)*

> (SPARCstation 1, unpatched R4)

> I've had trouble with several things under R4's contrib:

> 1. Andrew

>     After following the configuration instructions in README and
> running imake, I type `make World'.  It blows up with:

> ../.././config/depend.csh   //usr/include/X11 \
> "cc" /usr/andrew/bin/class "-I.  -I/usr/andrew/include/atk
> -I/usr/andrew/include
>  -I//usr/include/X11"
> usage: depends ${DEPEND} ${BASEDIR} ${XINCDIR} ${CC} ${CLASS}
> ${INCLUDES} [${AFS
> BASEDIR}]
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `depend'
> Current working directory /wk/tape-4/contrib/toolkits/andrew/overhead/sys

> Examing the Makefile in overhead/sys, I find:

> depend::
>       $(DEPENDSCRIPT) $(/usr/bin/X11/makedepend) $(/wk/andy) $(XINCDIR) \
>       "$(CC)" $(CLASS) "-I. $(LOCALINCLUDES) $(INCLUDES)"

> The problem is apparently the superfluous $() around $XMAKEDEPEND and
> $BASEDIR.  I've been unable to locate the Imakefile or template
> responsible for this line.  Any ideas?


Well, I'm trying to build the same thing on my SPARCstation, and I haven't seen
that problem at all.  You might want to doublecheck your "site.h" and
"site.mcr" files.  I had a different problem when I omitted a trailing newline
from the last line of my "site.mcr" file.

My current problem is that "make World" always dies in atk/ness/doc where
"nessrun" aborts with an illegal instruction exception.  I've tried lots of
combinations of compiler options, patched vs. unpatched sources, etc., and
nothing seems to help.  Has anyone seen anything similar?  The problem does not
seem to be specific to "nessrun", because if I pick up and continue building
everything else with "make dependInstall", most of the other apps die with the
same error.  The only thing I've changed at all in the source distribution from
the R4 tape is adding "site.h" and "site.mcr" files.  (I'm quite sure of this,
I even restored everything from tape to be sure I had clean sources -- unless
the tape is mucked up.)  My "site.h" and "site.mcr" files follow.  I'm using
Sun's cc compiler with no optimization, although I get the same behavior
whether or not I use -O.

--- site.mcr ---

/* site.mcr file for ICASE Sun 4's */

XBASEDIR = /usr/icase/X11R4
CDEBUGFLAGS = -pipe
XUTILDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/bin
XINCDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/include/X11
XMKFONTDIR = $(XUTILDIR)/mkfontdir
XLIBDIR = $(XBASEDIR)/lib
XFC = $(XUTILDIR)/bdftosnf
RESOLVLIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

#define ConstructMFLAGS


--- site.h ---

/* site.h file for ICASE Sun 4's */

#define MK_BLD_BLKS             1
#define MK_BASIC_UTILS          1
#define MK_BASIC_INSETS         1
#define MK_HELP                 1
#define MK_TEXT_EXT             1
#define MK_AUTHORING            1
#define MK_AUX_UTILS            1
#define MK_AUX_INSETS           1
#define MK_EXAMPLES             1

#undef LINKINSTALL_ENV

/* Change this if we ever get ditroff! */
#undef  DITROFF_ENV

#undef  DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV
#define DEFAULT_ANDREWDIR_ENV   /usr/icase/X11R4/andrew

#undef  DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV
#define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV    /usr/icase/X11R4/andrew/local


Tom Crockett

ICASE
Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering
M.S. 132C                               e-mail:  tom@icase.edu
NASA Langley Research Center            phone:  (804) 864-2182
Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

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>There is now a toez command which converts Scribe or troff/nroff to ez.

Yes, but it appears to just be another application wrapper around the
"rofftext" object, just as "rofftext" itself is.  However, while

	toez -ms <your input file>

worked OK (<your input file> being the slice of the input file you
provided), "rofftext -t -ms <your input file>" didn't.  Furthermore,
neither "rofftext" *nor* "toez" did anything with the following:

-------------------------------Cut Here----------------------------------------
.LP
The Xmu Library is a collection of miscellaneous (some might say random)
utility functions that have been useful in building various applications
and widgets.  This library is required by the Athena Widgets.
-------------------------------Cut Here----------------------------------------

where "rofftext" was run with "-ms" ("-t" or not "-t" didn't matter),
and "toez" was run with "-ms" as well ("-troff" or not "-troff" didn't
matter).

"nroff -ms <that file>" did work, however.  The "-ms" macro package here
is the standard SunOS 4.0.3 one; differences between the various "-ms"
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>The "-ms" macro package here is the standard SunOS 4.0.3 one;
>differences between the various "-ms" packages may account for these
>problems.

In fact, it probably *does* account for it, in combination with a
"rofftext" bug.  The document

	.de XX
	.de YY
	\\..
	..
	.XX
	Hello, world

when run with "rofftext" with no extra arguments (i.e., no "-ms")
produces an empty document, with "Hello, world" nowhere in it.  I think
"rofftext" can't cope with macros that define macros, as "XX" does
there, and as do several macros in the SunOS 4.0.3 "-ms" macro package
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To: Mark Sherman <mss+@andrew.cmu.edu>, sean@dsl.pitt.edu (Sean McLinden)
Subject: Re: Andrew on DECStation 3100 (getting -g 0 libraries)
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Mark Sherman <mss+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Did you check with Zalman Stern here? (zs01+) As an IBM project, we certainly
> don`t get any special treatment from DEC, but I think we managed to get the
> -g 0 libraries (at least Zalman got it working here when he did the port).
>              -Mark


The ITC doesn't get any special treatment from DEC, but Academic Computing
may have when they made it clear that they weren't buying very many 3100s
if ATK didn't run on them. Anyway, DEC gave them the sources to libc and
Sohan and I managed to get them compiled so everything worked. Basiaclly,
you need to compile all of libc with the -G 0 switch. You also need a -G 0
libm.a. I used sources off of uunet to do that.

Sincerely,
Zalman Stern
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Cc: To.sean@dsl.pitt.edu;

In theory, there should be no problem in placing the binaries for the
libraries in a public directory for FTP. Sun does that all of the
time since their libraries are, typically, out of date with respect to
standard ARPA services.

The problem with compiling Berkeley sources is that there is assembly
language code for some of the most commonly used routines. Once *could*
simply extract those from the distributed archive and compile the rest
with -G 0.

I dunno if the problem would not occur if the GNU C compiler were used.

Is it possible that the compiled libraries could be posted, somewhere?

Sean
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I have set \italic{suborder} in my \italic{~/.preferences }file as follows:


	suborder:mail:pcs*:SUN*:*andrew*:*


and yet when AMS displays my list of subscribed folders it always displays 
them in the order:


SUN.managers

mail

info-andrew

sun-spots

andrew.ams

pcs.misc

pcs.test


Shouldn't the suborder specification cause the order to be


mail

pcs.misc

pcs.test

SUN.managers

info-andrew

andrew.ams

sun-spots


What gives?


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

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No problem.  You misspelled the preference.  Instead of

	suborder:mail:pcs*:SUN*:*andrew*:*

use

	*.subsorder: mail:pcs*:SUN*:*andrew*:*


Note both the suborder -> subsorder change and the leading ``*.'' on the 
preference name.  The first change is necessary; I'm unsure about the second.


		Craig

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Is it possible to edit a mail message while reading it under messages?
When I try to edit it in the bottom window, it says that the message
is read only.


barry
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[This is a PS to an answer I sent to Barry alone; however, I thought of
a more useful answer, which I'm now sending to the whole list.)

Although the general answer is "no", you can hack around this by
treating the message as a "draft" -- use "restore draft" to get it into
the sending window, edit it there, and then use "file into folder" to
put it back.  That will do the trick, albeit somewhat cruftily.

I always intended to make messages really editable, but never got around
to it.  -- Nathaniel
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From: Steve Rohall <slr@thumper.bellcore.com>
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Subject: problem linking ATK with Oracle...

My guess is that my problem is an oracle bug, but nsb said that he
remembered seeing something similar on the net at one time, so here
goes...

I have an application that uses the Oracle relational database system
and also uses ATK for a front end.  Recently we upgraded from V5 Oracle
to V6.  At the same time we upgraded to the latest release of X and
Andrew.  Now when I try to link everything together (either by making
multiple calls to ld and then calling makedo or by calling makedo with
my object and all the necessary libraries) I get an error of an
undefined symbol "uname".  I called Oracle and they told me that Oracle
V6 is System5 cc-compatible and that I should include a System5 libc.a
at the end of my list of libraries.  I make the change and then dofix
gives me an undefined symbol of "end".  Using the System5 c compiler
produces the same result.  Does this sound vaguely familiar to anyone? 
Is it possible that the problem lies in the Oracle libs which were
undoubtedly compiled with Sys5 cc?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.

			-Steve.

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Why does query replace's default substitution string go away on the third 
query replace?  I often do query replace on several files and find myself 
retyping the same string every third time.


Thanks,


Mike Palmquist



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We have been having serious problems dealing with the dynamically loadable
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Any pointers would be appreciated.

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Subject: System wide AMS alias file

We are running AMS on our system but since only a limited number of
users have any sort of workstation running X only a few are actually
using the messages program. Because of this I have set the
AMS_UsersHandleFormatting to 'no', meaning that whenever anyone sends a
message with formatting to someone in the local domain they are asked if
they wish to send with formatting etc. Now I can make things better by
using the $forceformat option in individuals .AMS_aliases files so that
if they do send formatted mail to Andrew users then they don't get asked
about formatting etc. The problem with this is that each person has
their own list of who is currently using Andrew, meaning that if someone
else starts using Andrew it has to be added to each individuals aliases
file. My question is, can I have a system wide AMS aliases file which I
can put $forceformat lines in for each user using Andrew, and then have
this included in individuals aliases files using and include statement
or for messages to check it directly. I have looked in various help
files but didn't find anything which helped to answer this.

Also we are having trouble getting people to use AMS, currently they use
the MH mail system and a number of users are worried about the fact that
once mail is read into AMS its name gets munged and its not easy to get
it back out into MH. I know about cui and that it could be used as a
replacement for MH on tty terminals but it is no where near as easier to
use as MH or vmail which runs on top of MH. Is there a way which AMS can
look at the same files as MH, not munge names and use its files for
keeping track of which items have been read etc. 

Graham Dumpleton (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)
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Congratulations on getting AMS installed to the point where this is even an 
issue!


About the $forceformat and global AMS-aliases thing.


No, there's no current provision for a global .AMS_aliases file, or for any 
other global (per-recipient) information about whether a recipient is 
interested in accepting ATK-formatted messages.  It's not a bad idea, though; 
certainly it's not a bad idea to have a centrally-located file describing the 
formatting preferences of addresses within a community.  (Now, you could do it 
by having a global name that was always checked, or building an ``include'' 
file mechanism into the .AMS_aliases reader.  If the former were done, so that 
all users always used the contents of the globally-named file, I'd recommend 
against using it to define name aliases, in favor of using it only for global 
$forceXXX information.  There's already a /usr/lib/aliases to handle name 
aliases, and that's what sendmail will use, as well.)


There are other problems with your current approach--for instance, if you send 
mail to two recipients, one of whom is listed as format-OK and one not listed 
(and thus in format-not-OK mode), the sender still has to decide whether both 
recipients get a formatted version or both get non-formatted mail.


Did you know that if you use CUI or VUI to read mail, that formatting in 
messages is stripped out before the mail is displayed?  You might experiment 
with setting AMS_UsersHandleFormatting to ``yes,'' and letting users use CUI 
or VUI to de-format messages before showing them on screens (or printing 
terminals, for that matter).  Admittedly, CUI and VUI are kinda clumsy, and MH 
doesn't know a thing about ATK-formatted messages.  Maybe it won't matter.


There is some MH-compatibility stuff in AMS (the message server library) that 
was just getting a bit of polish last November.  It allows AMS to use 
something of a native-MH set of messages, but it was originally designed more 
for public folders than for personal mail folders.  I'm sure that Nathaniel 
will chime in here.  Back to you, Nathaniel.  (Cut here.)


		Craig Everhart

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> *Excerpts from info-andrew: 8-Feb-90 System wide AMS alias file Graham*
> *Dumpleton@uunet.u (1709)*

> My question is, can I have a system wide AMS aliases file which I
> can put $forceformat lines in for each user using Andrew, and then have
> this included in individuals aliases files using and include statement
> or for messages to check it directly.

Our environment sounds a lot like yours.  We would also be interested in a
site-wide .AMS_aliases file which would be scanned along with that of
individual users.

_Tom Crockett_

*ICASE*
Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering

M.S. 132C                               e-mail:  tom@icase.edu
NASA Langley Research Center            phone:  (804) 864-2182
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There's not currently a system-wide alias file, but I too have come to
realize (since leaving the more homogeneous CMU environment) that it
would be a very useful thing to have, for precisely the reason you
mentioned.  It should be pretty easy; at some point, I might even do it
and send CMU a patch.

As for the MH compatibility question -- there is a feature in AMS (the
"alien tree" feature) that was designed for AMS/MH/Netnews
interoperability, but it has not been heavily used, and probably can be
counted on to be a little buggy.  I'm not sure if it is documented at
all, but I know a few people have tried it.  Perhaps one of them can
comment on whether it works, and how well.  -- Nathaniel
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From: Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>
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To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>, Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
Subject: Re: System wide AMS alias file
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For those of us who have users with GNU Emacs "rmail" bound to their
brains, here's an elisp function to display an ATK mail message from
rmail:


---- Enclosure ----
(defun rmail-show-message-as-andrew-object ()
  "View andrew mail message from RMAIL"
  (interactive)
  (if (or (eq window-system 'x)
	  (getenv "DISPLAY"))
      (let (from to date subject body body-begin msg-end)
	(save-excursion
	  (save-restriction
	    (setq msg-end (rmail-msgend rmail-current-message))
	    (widen)
	    (goto-char (rmail-msgbeg rmail-current-message))
	    (forward-line 1)
	    (narrow-to-region
	     (if (= (following-char) ?0)
		 (progn (search-forward "\n\n" (rmail-msgend rmail-current-message)
					'move)
			(point))
	       (progn (search-forward "\n*** EOOH ***\n" (rmail-msgend
rmail-current-message)) (point)))
	     (rmail-msgend rmail-current-message))
	    (setq to (mail-fetch-field "to" t))
	    (setq from (mail-fetch-field "from" t))
	    (setq date (mail-fetch-field "date" t))
	    (setq subject (mail-fetch-field "subject" t))
	    (goto-char (rmail-msgbeg rmail-current-message))
	    (search-forward "\\begindata" msg-end 'move)
	    (if (= msg-end (point))
		(setq header nil)
	      (progn
		(forward-line 0)
		(setq begin (point))
		(forward-line 2)
		(setq header (buffer-substring begin (point)))))
	    (if header
		(setq body-begin (point))
	      (progn
		(goto-char (rmail-msgbeg rmail-current-message))
		(search-forward "\n\n" (rmail-msgend rmail-current-message) 'move)
		(setq body-begin (point))
		))
	    (setq body (buffer-substring body-begin msg-end))
	    )
	  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*Display Mail As Andrew*")))
	    (set-buffer buffer)
	    (erase-buffer)
	    (insert-string (or header "\\begindata{text, 1}\n\\textdsversion{12}\n"))
	    (insert-string "\\template{messages}\n")
	    (insert-string (format "\\bold{Date:}  %s\n\n" date))
	    (insert-string (format "\\bold{From:}  %s\n\n" from))
	    (insert-string (format "\\bold{To:}  %s\n\n" to))
	    (insert-string (format "\\bold{Subject:}  %s\n\n\n" subject))
	    (insert-string body)
	    (insert-string "\\enddata{text,1}\n")
	    (write-file "/usr/tmp/mail-message-as-andrew")
	    (setq buffer-file-name nil)
	    (shell-command "ez -d /usr/tmp/mail-message-as-andrew; rm
/usr/tmp/mail-message-as-andrew")
	    )))
    ))

---- Enclosure ----
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\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 5-Feb-90 Annotating a 
mail message u.. Barry Lustig@ames.arc.na (163)}



\quotation{Is it possible to edit a mail message while reading it under 
messages?  }\quotation{When I try to edit it in the bottom window, it says 
that the message }\quotation{is read only.

}
\quotation{barry

}

Trivial: Click in the message body and type ESC-~.  The message body will 
become read-write.  


(Before I fixed it late last year, even when it was read-write messages would 
still interpret keystrokes according to its notions if you had set to use the 
expert keystrokes.  This is no longer a problem.)


FredH


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To: Info-Andrew <info-andrew+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: System wide AMS alias file
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Another thing that would be *really* useful in this regard would be for
some MH hacker to modify MH so that it could properly display ATK-format
mail.  This would be remarkably easy -- the "unscribe" module of Andrew
is very small and self-contained, and could be linked into MH and
applied to any mail with an appropriate "Content-Type" header before
displaying it.  Any interested MH hackers out there?  (Actually, this
could apply to any non-Andrew mailer.  It would probably add about 40K
to the mailer, and would make it display ATK-format mail nicely.)

The mode in AMS for MH/netnews compatibility is
not-ready-for-prime-time.  I keep intending to beat on it in my copious
spare time, but frankly I'm having too much fun here at Bellcore
(experimenting with extended models for email functionality) to spend a
lot of time worrying about this sort of stuff.  I repeat, however, my
long-standing offer of advice and assistance to anyone who wants to work
seriously on making these compatibility modes work well.  (They're
currently something like 90% solutions, but there are a few missing
details.)  I do wish I had found a few extra weeks to work on the
compatibility before I left CMU, but it just didn't work out that way. 
-- Nathaniel
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\begindata{text,987040}
\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
I got fed up with inadvertently quitting from Messages after selecting quit on 
the org from "Expose Tree", so I fixed it.


I moved the subroutine "frame_Exit" in atk/frame/framecmd.c to 
"frame_ReallyExit", and then wrote a new "frame_Exit" which is the following:


\example{
void frame_Exit(self)

    struct frame *self;

\{

    long count = 0;

    extern struct frame * frame__Enumerate(); /* BOGUS!!! */


    frame_Enumerate(countFrames, &count);

    if (count > 1) \{

	im_Destroy(frame_GetIM( self));

	frame_Destroy(self);

    \}

    else 

	frame_ReallyExit(self);

\}

}

"frame_ReallyExit" is not exported as a procedure.  I modified 
"frame_DeleteWindow" to call "frame_ReallyExit" where it used to call 
"frame_Exit", but that's not really necessary.  I then rebuilt the atk/frame, 
atk/ez, and atk/apps directories, and sure enough, it's fixed.


Bill

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When I built the R4 release of Andrew with the first two patches
(Sun 3, SunOS 4.0.3), the wormhole not only showed up in Messages
menus by default but worked (hot damn)!  Now, when I rebuilt with
the third patch, the wormhole doesn't show up at all.

From the cmenu help page:

  Here are some entries you can put into a .Xdefaults file in your home
  directory to change the way that Andrew menus look.  The default value
  for each entry is shown. 

  ...

  In fact, setting some entries to their default values in your
  .Xdefaults file can cause unexpected results, ....

  ...

  cmenu.WormHole: 1
  ...  (Note: this preference is not working dependably in the current
  release of Andrew.)


Putting "cmenu.WormHole: 1" in my .Xdefaults file has no effect (yes, I
did xrdb).  Putting "cmenu.WormHole: 1" in my preferences file also has
no effect.  Putting "messages.WormHole: 1" in .Xdefaults turns it on,
though.  I've seen the same behavior with "cmenu/messages.SelectionFont",
for example.

I get some strange behavior with the "Read Mail" menu selection, also.
If I choose "Read Mail" from the first menu, the wormhole disappears from
subsequent menus, until I choose something from one of them, say "Check New
Messages".  When I do, the wormhole reappears, but warps me to "Read Mail"
instead of "Check New Messages".  The worst part is that this behavior seems
to come and go.
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\textdsversion{12}
\template{messages}
\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 10-Feb-90 Re: Andrew Patch.003 Availa.. 
Raleigh F. Romine@expres (360)}


\quotation{Susan,

}\quotation{	One other minor thing. If one forgets a directory name or

}\quotation{thinks files are in pub and does a DIR, one eventually gets an 
error

}\quotation{message about alpha-patches being unreadable. This seems to throw 
FTP

}\quotation{out of sync and I, at least, end up logging out and back in to get

}\quotation{things. You might just want to zap that directory if it's of no

}\quotation{remaining use.

}
\quotation{Raleigh

}
Raleigh, 


Thanks for pointing this out to me.  Since we still use alpha-patches 
internally, I'll have change a few things before deleting the directory but it 
will be on my things-to-do list.  


Thanks again, 


Susan  

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Okay,

	I've heard the complaints from andrew users. I've heard what
comp.windows.x has to say about this one.
	NOW WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT !!!!

	- I don't have time to dig into the MIT sample server to 
		try and fix the bug there ( I'd be starting from
		scratch )

	- I get the feeling that there is no way zip can be changed,

	- I have no access to any other server other than
		the MIT Sample server compiled on a Sun3/50.


	- I really need to be able to work with zip.

	So folks, what is the solution ? Is there a bug fix I haven't
heard about ?

-- 
Tim Hansell
hansell@cis.ohio-state.edu
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I finally got Andrew Release 3 up and running -- seems the Imakefiles 
neglected to put in some "-Bstatic" options in the right places in the 
Makefiles.  The places I know about are \bold{atk/apps} (for \italic{runapp}) 
and \italic{atk/ness/objects} (for \italic{nessrun}).  Are there any others I 
may have missed?


My next problem is with \italic{messages}.  It refuses to read my new mail and 
complains about


\example{Error: 'set hold' in .mailrc or Mail.rc prevents consuming mail (in 
internal parameter check in ConvertOldStyleIncomingMail)


}Well, sure enough, "set hold" was in both of those files, but it never used 
to cause problems in the last version of AMS.  So I changed my \bold{~/.mailrc} 
file to say "set nohold", but I still have the problem.  So it appears that 
messages is insisting on not reading my mail because of the "set hold" in 
\bold{/usr/lib/Mail.rc}.  I hesitate to modify \bold{Mail.rc}, because it will 
likely confuse lots of other folks around here who still use plain old UNIX 
mail or Sun's \italic{mailtool}.  It seems to me that the "set nohold" in my 
personal \bold{.mailrc} file should override whatever is in \bold{Mail.rc}, 
but such seems not to be the case.  Are there any simple solutions to this 
besides hacking the source code?


If it makes any difference, this is on a SPARCstation 1 running SunOS 4.0.3c, 
X11R4 + fix1, Andrew 3 w/ patches 001-003 + vui patches, compiled with "cc 
-O1".


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


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NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

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Excerpts from andrew: 12-Feb-90 Trouble with 'set hold' Tom 
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\quotation{So I changed my \bold{~/.mailrc} file to say "set nohold", but I 
still have the problem.

}
The correct syntax is "unset hold".


I actually like this feature, as it tends to keep people from accidentally 
eating their spool file, but the error message is terribly cryptic.


Bill

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\quotation{I actually like this feature, as it tends to keep people from 
accidentally eating their spool file, but the error message is terribly 
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\quotation{Bill

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I notice that the line beginning "Excerpts from andrew:" is no longer boldened 
and italicized, as it was in Messages 6.??.  Is that a good change?


Bill



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\quotation{I notice that the line beginning "Excerpts from andrew:" is no 
longer boldened and italicized, as it was in Messages 6.??.  Is that a good 
change?

}
It is still bold for me (see above), though yours wasn't.  I know Bob made 
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due to your somehow using an old template file instead of the latest one. 
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\quotation{I notice that the line beginning "Excerpts from andrew:" is no 
longer boldened and italicized, as it was in Messages 6.??.  Is that a good 
change?

}
Yes, I noticed the same thing -- it's bold italics when I compose the message, 
but it's plain text when the message gets delivered, although the body of the 
excerpt is still italicized.


I liked the old way better.


I've also noticed that ^X^S  in sendmessage doesn't Send/Post the message 
anymore.  I have to use the menu entry instead.  I suppose I can fix that if I 
read enough documentation?


-Tom

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Tom's excerpt had the appropriate bold font when it came through to me! 
I still suspect the problem is in someone somewhere sometimes using an
old version of the Messages template.

I have no idea why the sending keystroke should have changed.  However,
the following line in an init file should fix things:

addkey sendmessage-send-message ^X^S

Which init file?  Depends on how you set things up!  I personally have a
.messagesinit and a .sendmessageinit, each of which includes a common
file .amsinit with a line:

include /u/nsb/.amsinit

and I put the addkey line in there; this makes it take effect for both
messages-sending window and sendmessage.  -- Nathaniel
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I believe the send/post message binding was changed to ^Xs because many people 
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-Rob Ryan

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 13-Feb-90 Suggestion for future 
releases Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (2546)}


\quotation{dynamic loading, though} \quotation{wonderful, is a severe 
portability problem.  This problem is alleviated} \quotation{for most of us 
who use Andrew by the fact that the ITC has ported the

}\quotation{dynamic loader to lots of architectures.  However, it is a 
significant} \quotation{road block for three situations:

}
\quotation{1.  People running on non-ITC-supported machines.

}
\quotation{2.  People currently running on supported machines who expect to

}\quotation{upgrade, in the future, to the hottest hardware whenever it comes 
out

}\quotation{(recall how long it took to get Sun-4 support!)

}
\quotation{3.  People who want to base products on Andrew and are scared by 
the

}\quotation{*future* portability problems the dynamic loader might entail.

}
I agree. These have been our major concerns here, and we came very close to 
giving up on Andrew altogether when we decided to move to Sun 4s. 


It seems to me that either it should be easy to build a non-dynamically loded 
version of Andrew with a selection of modules loaded into static load, or the 
\italic{Art of Porting the Dynamic Loader} to new architectures should be 
better documented, so that someone outside \italic{ITC} can take a reasonable 
crack at it. Moreover, even if the latter is done, the former may still be 
desirable for reasons of use in timeshared machines etc. that Nathaniel has 
mentioned further on in his message.


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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ZIP crashes the X11R4 MIT sample server (on Suns, at least) when you
first select "SYM" from lower right of the main window, then select
"months" from the menu that appears.

X11R4 patch 2, now available from expo.lcs.mit.edu, fixes this
problem.
									++sja
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Here is david's reply, note that someone else  (Sakari Jalovaara) has noted on 
info.andrew that this X server  patch is available on expo.

	Tom


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Have you picked up fix #2 for X11R4 from MIT? I think that the server patches 
I'm attaching here are included in fix #2. But if not, and since you sound so 
desperate, here are a couple of interim fixes that were supplied to consortium 
members. I'm not certain that these are pertinent to the problems you've 
experienced, but pass them along in hopes of being helpful.


--david


(seq: 703) close XBUG #2531:  R4 server crash with wide short filled arcs


### bug number:   2531

### area:         server

### severity:     very high

### comments:     


*** /tmp/,RCSt1a01807	Fri Feb  9 10:14:21 1990

--- server/ddx/mi/mifillarc.c	Fri Feb  9 10:12:44 1990

***************

*** 17,23 ****

  

  ********************************************************/

  

! /* $XConsortium: mifillarc.c,v 5.9 89/11/05 13:03:44 rws Exp $ */

  

  #include <math.h>

  #include "X.h"

--- 17,23 ----

  

  ********************************************************/

  

! /* $XConsortium: mifillarc.c,v 5.10 90/02/09 10:12:04 rws Exp $ */

  

  #include <math.h>

  #include "X.h"

***************

*** 203,208 ****

--- 203,209 ----

  

      if ((angle == 0) || (angle == HALFCIRCLE))

      \{

+     horz:

  	edge->x = left ? -65536 : 65536;

  	edge->stepx = 0;

  	edge->e = 0;

***************

*** 211,216 ****

--- 212,218 ----

      \}

      if ((angle == QUADRANT) || (angle == QUADRANT3))

      \{

+     vert:

  	edge->x = arc->x + (arc->width >> 1);

  	if (left && (arc->width & 1))

  	    edge->x++;

***************

*** 239,245 ****

--- 241,249 ----

  	signdx = 1;

      scale = (dx > dy) ? dx : dy;

      edge->dx = floor((dx * 32768) / scale + .5);

+     if (!edge->dx) goto vert; /* gross */

      edge->dy = floor((dy * 32768) / scale + .5);

+     if (!edge->dy) goto horz; /* gross */

      if (signdx < 0)

  	edge->dx = -edge->dx;

      if (signdy < 0)



(seq: 708) Close XBUG #2535: floating point exception in miPolyBuildEdge


### bug number:   2535

### area:         server

### severity:     very high

### comments:     


*** /tmp/,RCSt1a01657	Fri Feb  9 14:17:54 1990

--- server/ddx/mi/miwideline.c	Fri Feb  9 14:17:36 1990

***************

*** 1,5 ****

  /*

!  * $XConsortium: miwideline.c,v 1.27 90/01/23 15:36:25 keith Exp $

   *

   * Copyright 1988 Massachusetts Institute of Technology

   *

--- 1,5 ----

  /*

!  * $XConsortium: miwideline.c,v 1.28 90/02/09 14:17:14 keith Exp $

   *

   * Copyright 1988 Massachusetts Institute of Technology

   *

***************

*** 1666,1676 ****

--- 1666,1678 ----

  	    \{

  		lcapFace.xa = -vertices[V_LEFT].x;

  		lcapFace.ya = -vertices[V_LEFT].y;

+ 		lcapFace.k = slopes[V_LEFT].k;

  	    \}

  	    else

  	    \{

  		lcapFace.xa = vertices[V_TOP].x;

  		lcapFace.ya = vertices[V_TOP].y;

+ 		lcapFace.k = -slopes[V_LEFT].k;

  	    \}

  	    miLineArc (pDrawable, pGC, pixel, spanData,

  		       &lcapFace, (LineFacePtr) NULL,

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Yes, when I clear my template path, it does come out bolded.   I guess the 
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I'm giving flames a go for the first time, and I'm running into a snag
or two.  Here's what I've got:

Sun 4/SunOS 4.0.1 System (Actually, a Solbourne 602 running their OS4.0B)
with oodles of memory.

When ~/.AMS.flames exists, Messages or CUI will loop when checking new
mail.  If I try to load flib.flames from bglisp, bglisp will loop.
And when I piece apart flib.flames, when I try to defun
standard-mapping, or some of the restriction routines, bglisp loops.

Anybody got any ideas?

Thanks for any and all help,

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>I finally got Andrew Release 3 up and running -- seems the Imakefiles
>neglected to put in some "-Bstatic" options in the right places in the
>Makefiles.  The places I know about are atk/apps (for runapp) and
>atk/ness/objects (for nessrun).  Are there any others I may have
>missed?

Err, umm, why do you want to build "runapp" statically?  I modified the
Imakefile too, but I did it to link with "-lX11" rather than
"/usr/lib/libX11.a", so that it would pick up the *shared* "libX11";
heck, even if I run *no* non-Andrew X11 applications other than the
window manager, I still get some sharing, and there will be other
non-Andrew X11 applications that I'd run, I suspect....
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Hmmm.  It all works for me on a real SPARCstation, with SunOS 4.0.3c. 
My guess is that it is some oddity in the Solbourne environment.  Have
you tried running a debugger on bglisp (which does not use dynamic
loading, and is thus very easy to debug) to find out where it is looping?
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\quotation{Err, umm, why do you want to build "runapp" statically?  I modified 
the

}\quotation{Imakefile too, but I did it to link with "-lX11" rather than

}\quotation{"/usr/lib/libX11.a", so that it would pick up the *shared* 
"libX11"}


Because without "-Bstatic" nearly all of the apps would core dump with an 
"illegal instruction" exception.  I remembered something about needing 
"-Bstatic" when the last release was first ported to the SPARCs, so I went 
back and found that and just did the same thing.  And presto, everything 
suddenly started working just fine!  Maybe I'm missing something here -- I'm 
still a little hazy on exactly what static vs. dynamic linking implies in the 
Andrew environment, what with dynamic loading and all that.  And, yes, I would 
like to use the shared X libraries, since we typically have a pretty good mix 
of Andrew and other X clients running.  Perhaps someone who knows a lot more 
about this subject than I do could enlighten me?


-Tom\
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[ X11R4 version, patchlevel 003, Sun4, 4.0.3 ]

In overhead/pobbconf, I get the following error:

mpp pobb-install.pobb > pobb-install.mpp
sh: mpp: not found
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pobb-install.msh'

I was doing a "make World" ... any guesses?

/jordan
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Is it possible to get the tm application to respond to geometry
preferences or geometry command line options?  I've had no luck, but I
might be mising something...

And yes, I realize that tm is not supported, I was just hoping that
someone knew a good answer anyway.  -- Nathaniel
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Mike, 


 I received this bug report re: pobb-install-pobb which a user found after 
installing patch.003.  Also, I checked back through my mail and found that you 
installed a fix provided by Craig that dealt with this file.  Can you give me 
any info about this?  


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\quotation{[ X11R4 version, patchlevel 003, Sun4, 4.0.3 ]

}
\quotation{In overhead/pobbconf, I get the following error:

}
\quotation{mpp pobb-install.pobb > pobb-install.mpp

}\quotation{sh: mpp: not found

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pobb-install.msh'

}
\quotation{I was doing a "make World" ... any guesses?

}
\quotation{/jordan

}

\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 29-Jan-90 Fwd: ValidateFwdAddr is dif.. 
Michael J. McInerny (2399+0)}


\quotation{I'm going to make these fixes to our RCS tree and wash them into 
/usr/andy.  They should be picked up in the next patch, where Sohan/campus can 
pick them up (again).

}
\quotation{-Michael

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\quotation{OK, so there's a bug in fwdvalid.c.  A corrected version can be 
found in /afs/transarc.com/usr/cfe/amsfixes/fwdvalid.c.  The porting to the 
cross-cell case was never complete.  It worked for CS only because they also 
happen to define a NameSep character, so that canonical names are 
First.Last@cs.cmu.edu rather than fml@cs.cmu.edu.

}
\quotation{There's another bug fix in disambig.c in the same directory; that 
came from andrew/ams/libs/ms/disambig.c.  The problem there was that the 
mapping of periods to slashes in the bboard name ``andrew.ms@andrew.cmu.edu'' 
was resulting in ``andrew/ms@andrew/cmu/edu'', and thus the text after the 
``@'' was almost never a cell name.  The fix just maps slashes back to dots in 
that part of the name.

}
\quotation{\bold{There's a third bug fix in pobb-install.pobb in the same dir, 
which should get installed in andrew/overhead/pobbconf.  The problem there was 
that the variable CUIDJBoxes was referred to even if pobb_DowJonesIn wasn't 
defined.}

}
\quotation{Astonishingly enough, the second two of these bug fixes are tested!

}
\quotation{Hi yourself!

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\quotation{[ X11R4 version, patchlevel 003, Sun4, 4.0.3 ]

}
\quotation{In overhead/pobbconf, I get the following error:

}
\quotation{mpp pobb-install.pobb > pobb-install.mpp

}\quotation{sh: mpp: not found

}\quotation{*** Error code 1

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `pobb-install.msh'

}
\quotation{I was doing a "make World" ... any guesses?

}
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}

It turns out that mpp is a piece of software written here at CMU and supported 
by our computation center.  It does a form of macro expansion.  (An unverified 
rumor calims that mpp is on the distribution of AFS from Transarc.)


I'll include mpp.c below.


The real problem is that you should not be making pobbconf, anyway.  To do 
this, you should \bold{not} define the variable AMS_DELIVERY_ENV in your 
site.h file.  (I believe this variable only makes sense if you have AFS 
installed.)  Or you can edit the Imakefile for andrew/overhead to ensure that 
POBB is not given the value pobbconf.


---------Makefile --------------------------

#

#	Makefile for build mpp by Russell J. Yount

#

#	(C) Copyright 10/17/86 by Carnegie Mellon University

#

DESTDIR=/usr/local/

CFLAGS=-O


PROGRAM=mpp

MANUAL=mpp.1


system: install


all: $\{PROGRAM\}


install: $\{PROGRAM\}

	install -c -s -m 755 $\{PROGRAM\} $\{DESTDIR\}bin/$\{PROGRAM\}


installdoc: $\{MANUAL\}

	install -c $\{MANUAL\} $\{DESTDIR\}man/man1/$\{MANUAL\}


clean:

	-rm -f core a.out *.o *.out $\{PROGRAM\}


$\{PROGRAM\}:

	$\{CC\} $\{CFLAGS\} $@.c -o $@


mpp: mpp.c



-----------mpp.1-------------------------

.TH MPP 1 "October 18, 1986"

.UC 4

.SH NAME

mpp \\- macro preproccessor

.SH SYNOPSIS

.B mpp

[

.B \\-sp

]

[

.B \\-cCHAR

]

[

.B \\-Dname=value

]

[

.B \\-Uname

]

files

.SH DESCRIPTION

.I Mpp

is a generic macropreproccessor.

The directives %ifdef, %else, %endif, %define, %undef, and %include are

understood by

.I mpp.

The concationated output of all input files is send to stdout.

.PP

.I Mpp

understands the following switches:

.TP

.B \\-cC

Changed special charactor to C. (Percent sign is the default.)

.TP

.B \\-s

Strip out all comments beginning with a pound sign.

.TP

.B \\-p

Read stdin as if it were an input file.

.TP

.B \\-Dname=value

Define macro with name to be value.

.TP

.B \\-Uname

Remove current definition of name.

.SH AUTHOR

Russell J. Yount



-------------mpp.c------------------------

/*

 *	mpp by Russel J. Yount

 *	(C) Copyright 10/17/86 by Carnegie Mellon University

 */

#include <stdio.h>


extern char *malloc();

extern char *rindex();


#define	maxinputdepth	16

#define	maxlinesize	1024

#define	macrohashsize	1023

#define	macronamesize	32

#define	maxnestdepth	128


struct nest

\{

	int	status;

\};


struct file

\{

	char	*name;

	FILE	*stream;

	int	lineno;

\};


struct macro

\{

	struct macro	*next;

	enum macromode \{ rdwr, rdonly \} mode;

	char		*name;

	char		*value;

\};


static stripcomments = 0;

static specialchar = '%';

static struct nest nests[maxnestdepth];

static struct nest *nestp = &nests[0];

static struct nest *lastnestp = &nests[maxnestdepth-1];


static struct file files[maxinputdepth];

static struct file *lastfilep = &files[maxinputdepth-1];

static struct file *filep = &files[0];


static char inline[maxlinesize];

static char outline[maxlinesize];

static struct macro *macrohashtable[macrohashsize];


static error(a0,a1)

	char	*a0,*a1;

\{

	fprintf(stderr,a0,a1);

	putc('\\n',stderr);

	exit(1);

\}

static fileerror(a0,a1)

	char	*a0,*a1;

\{

	fprintf(stderr,"%s; line %d: ",filep->name,filep->lineno);

	error(a0,a1);

\}


static char *strsav(s)

	char	*s;

\{

	char	*p;


	if ((p = malloc(strlen(s)+1)) == NULL)

		error("Out of Memory");

	strcpy(p,s);

	return p;

\}


static struct macro **macrolookup(name)

	char	*name;

\{

	register struct macro **mpp, *mp;

	register char *cp;

	register unsigned hv;


	for (cp = name, hv = 0; *cp; hv += *cp++)

		;

	mpp = &macrohashtable[hv % macrohashsize];

	while ((mp = *mpp) && strcmp(mp->name,name))

		mpp = &mp->next;

	return mpp;

\}


static macroundefine(name)

	char	*name;

\{

	register struct macro **mpp, *mp;


	mpp = macrolookup(name);

	if (mp = *mpp)

	\{

		*mpp = mp->next;

		free(mp->value);

		free(mp->name);

		free(mp);

	\}

\}


static macrodefine(name,value,mode)

	char	*name;

	char	*value;

	enum macromode mode;

\{

	register struct macro **mpp, *mp;


	mpp = macrolookup(name);

	if (mp = *mpp)

	\{

		if (mp->mode == rdonly)

			return;

		free(mp->value);

	\}

	else

	\{

		if ((mp = (struct macro *)malloc(sizeof(struct macro))) == 0)

			error("Out of memory");

		mp->name = strsav(name);

		mp->next = 0;

		*mpp = mp;

	\}

	mp->mode = mode;

	mp->value = strsav(value);

\}



static char *macroexpand(dst,src)

	register char *dst, *src;

\{

	char	name[macronamesize];

	register char *np;

	register struct macro *mp;


	while (*src)

	\{

		if (*src != '$')

		\{

			*dst++ = *src++;

			continue;

		\}

		src++;

		if (*src == '$')

		\{

			*dst++ = '$';

			src++;

			continue;

		\}

		np = name;

		if (*src == '\{' || *src == '(')

		\{

			src++;

			while (*src)

			\{

				if (*src == '\}' || *src == ')')

				\{

					src++;

					break;

				\}

				if (np >= &name[macronamesize])

					src++;

				else

					*np++ =	*src++;

			\}

		\}

		else

		\{

			*np++ = *src++;

		\}

		*np = 0;

		if (mp = *macrolookup(name))

			dst = macroexpand(dst,mp->value);

	\}

	*dst = 0;

	return dst;

\}




static readline(line)

	char	*line;

\{

	while (filep >= &files[0])

	\{

		filep->lineno++;

		if (fgets(line,maxlinesize,filep->stream) != NULL)

			return -1;

		if (fclose(filep->stream) == EOF)

			error("Error closing %s",filep->name);

		free(filep->name);

		if (filep == &files[0])

			return 0;

		filep--;

	\}

	return 0;

\}


static writeline(line)

	char	*line;

\{

	fputs(line,stdout);

\}



static directive(what)

	char	*what;

\{

	char	*arg[ 3 ], *cp;

	int	n;


	if (*what++ != specialchar)

		return nestp->status;

	if (cp = rindex(what,'\\n'))

		*cp = 0;

	for (n = 0; n <	2; n++)

	\{

		while (*what == ' ' || *what == '\\t')

			what++;

		arg[n] = what;

		while (*what != ' ' && *what != '\\t' && *what != 0)

			what++;

		if (*what)

			*what++ = 0;

	\}

	while (*what == ' ' || *what == '\\t')

		what++;

	arg[2] = what;

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"ifdef") == 0)

	\{

		if (nestp == lastnestp)

			fileerror("If Depth overflow");

		if (nestp->status == 2 || nestp->status == 1)

		\{

			nestp++;

			nestp->status = 2;

			return 1;

		\}

		nestp++;

		nestp->status = (*macrolookup(arg[1])) ? 0 : 1;

		return 1;

	\}

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"ifndef") == 0)

	\{

		if (nestp == lastnestp)

			fileerror("If Depth overflow");

		if (nestp->status == 2 || nestp->status == 1)

		\{

			nestp++;

			nestp->status = 2;

			return 1;

		\}

		nestp++;

		nestp->status = (*macrolookup(arg[1])) ? 1 : 0;

		return 1;

	\}

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"else") == 0)

	\{

		if (nestp->status == 2)

			return 1;

		if (nestp == &nests[0])

			fileerror("If less else");

		nestp->status = nestp->status ? 0 : 1;

		return 1;

	\}

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"endif") == 0)

	\{

		if (nestp == &nests[0])

			fileerror("If less endif");

		nestp--;

		return 1;

	\}

	if (nestp->status)

		return 1;

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"include") == 0)

	\{

		if (filep == lastfilep)

			fileerror("Include file overflow");

		filep++;

		if ((filep->stream = fopen(arg[1],"r")) == NULL)

		\{

			filep--;

			fileerror("Can't open %s",arg[1]);

		\}

		filep->name = strsav(arg[1]);

		filep->lineno = 0;

		return 1;

	\}

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"define") == 0)

	\{

		macrodefine(arg[1],arg[2],rdwr);

		return 1;

	\}

	if (strcmp(arg[0],"undef") == 0)

	\{

		macroundefine(arg[1]);

		return 1;

	\}

	fileerror("Unknown directive %s",arg[0]);

\}


expandfile(name)

	char	*name;

\{

	if (strcmp(name,"-") == 0)

	\{

		filep->stream = stdin;

		filep->name = strsav("(stdin)");

	\}

	else

	\{

		if ((filep->stream = fopen(name,"r")) == NULL)

		\{

			fileerror("Can't open %s",name);

			exit(1);

		\}

		filep->name = strsav(name);

	\}

	filep->lineno = 0;

	while (readline(inline))

	\{

		if (stripcomments)

		\{

			char	*cp;

			for (cp = inline; *cp != 0 && *cp != '#'; cp++)

				continue;

			*cp = 0;

			if (cp == inline)

				continue;

		\}

		(void)macroexpand(outline,inline);

		if (directive(outline))

			continue;

		writeline(outline);

	\}

\}


static usage()

\{

	fprintf(stderr,

		"Usage: mpp [-cC][-s][-Dname=value][-Uname][-][files]\\n");

	exit(1);

\}


main( argc, argv )

	int	argc;

	char	**argv;

\{

	argv++, argc--;

	if (argc == 0)

		usage();

	while (argc > 0)

	\{

		if (**argv == '-')

		\{

			if (strcmp(*argv,"-s") == 0)

			\{

				stripcomments++;

				argv++, argc--;

				continue;

			\}

			if (strncmp(*argv,"-c",sizeof("-c")-1) == 0)

			\{

				specialchar = argv[0][sizeof("-c")];

				argv++, argc--;

				continue;

			\}

			if (strncmp(*argv,"-U",sizeof("-U")-1) == 0)

			\{

				macroundefine(&argv[0][sizeof("-U")]);

				argv++, argc--;

				continue;

			\}

			if (strncmp(*argv,"-D",sizeof("-D")-1) == 0)

			\{

				char	*cp, *cp2;


				cp = &argv[0][sizeof("-D")-1];

				if (cp2 = rindex(cp,'='))

					*cp2++ = 0;

				if (cp2 == 0)

					cp2 = "";

				macrodefine(cp,cp2,rdonly);

				argv++, argc--;

				continue;

			\}

			if (strcmp(*argv,"-"))

				usage();

		\}

		expandfile(*argv);

		argv++, argc--;

	\}

	exit(0);

\}


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I'll agree that porting the dynamic loader is probably a pain.  With any
luck, System V Release 4.0 and, I suspect, OSF/1 should make some of the
problems considerably less of a pain, since the S5R4.0 dynamic linking
mechanism and the OSF/1 one will come standard with the OS, so the
effort of porting Andrew to a new machine running those OSes should be
reduced.  (I presume you'd still need to make the assembler-language
stubs for the ClassEntry stuff.)

In addition, the S5R4.0 one and, I hope, the OSF/1 one allow multiple
processes to share the text of dynamically-loaded objects, so that even
in the timesharing environment dynamic loading might not be a lose.

The S5R4.0 mechanism's procedural interface should be compatible with
the one in SunOS 4.1; I don't know which of the two OSes is more likely
to appear first at ITC, but a port to said mechanism would be nice.

(Insert a plea here for OSF/1 to consider offering an S5R4.0-compatible
way of getting at the dynamic linker functionality, even if they decide
to improve or just "improve" the interface and offer some different
"native" interface.  Also insert a plea for Berkeley to consider
offering an S5R4.0-compatible mechanism of that sort in 4.4BSD, if they
end up offering dynamically-linked shared libraries; who knows, maybe
we'll break a long-standing UNIX tradition and not have to cope with N
possibly-uselessly-different interfaces to the same basic functionality
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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I certainly agree that the dynamic loading stuff can be a pain.  With
any luck, System V Release 4.0 and, I suspect, OSF/1 should make some of
the problems considerably less of a pain, since the S5R4.0 dynamic
linking mechanism and the OSF/1 one will come standard with the OS, so
the effort of porting Andrew to a new machine running those OSes should
be reduced.  (I presume you'd still need to make the assembler-language
stubs for the ClassEntry stuff.)

In addition, the S5R4.0 one and, I hope, the OSF/1 one allow multiple
processes to share the text of dynamically-loaded objects, so that even
in the timesharing environment dynamic loading might not be a lose.

The S5R4.0 mechanism's procedural interface should be compatible with
the one in SunOS 4.1; I don't know which of the two OSes is more likely
to appear first at ITC, but a port to said mechanism would be nice.

(Insert a plea here for OSF/1 to consider offering an S5R4.0-compatible
way of getting at the dynamic linker functionality, even if they decide
to improve or just "improve" the interface and offer some different
"native" interface.)
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I was wondering if anyone has noticed the following misfeature in the 
\bold{Visit file} popup in \italic{ez}:


When the \bold{Visit file} popup comes up, it comes up with the name of the 
current directory filled in in the query line.  Now, if you type  a \bold{?}, 
 as expected a second popup window comes up with a list of \bold{Possible 
completions for...}. At this point if you click on a line in the 
 \bold{Possible completions for...} popup, the name in the selected line 
\bold{\italic{replaces}} the current content of the query line in the 
\bold{Visit file} popup, rather than getting \bold{\italic{appended}} to it as 
one would expect.


The consequence of this misbehavior is that it is impossible to use the 
combination of \bold{Visit file} and \bold{Possible completions} popups to 
search down a path using just \bold{\italic{Point and Click}}. One is forced 
to type in the name that one wants to select into the \bold{Visit file} popup 
for each directory.


Now, is the way in which this currently works supposed to be the correct way, 
or is it a bug that needs to be fixed? From a user's perspective the way it 
works now seems to be somewhat inconvenient, to say the least. What would it 
take to fix this? I would be willing to fix it and submit a bugfix if someone 
gives me a helpful pointer to where I should look for the code that does this.


Thanks.

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Please ignore the previous message on this subject from me. I jsut discovered 
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am duly embarassed.... 
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Has anyone ported andrew to the new IBM RISC System/6000?
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From: auspex!guy@uunet.uu.net  (Guy Harris)
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Subject: Re: Statically linking "runapp"
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>Because without "-Bstatic" nearly all of the apps would core dump with
>an "illegal instruction" exception.

Which applications are those, and what did you do inside them? I've
gotten dynamically-linked (and compiled with "-O", to boot), "ez",
"zip", and "bush" to run, at least in some simple tests, to run on a
4/280 under 4.0.3.

>Maybe I'm missing something here -- I'm still a little hazy on exactly
>what static vs. dynamic linking implies in the Andrew environment,
>what with dynamic loading and all that.

Well, in SunOS 4.1 and System V Release 4, one could make dynamic
linking and dynamic loading share the same mechanism, which should let
them work together with no problems.  In 4.0, there's no programmatic
interface to the dynamic linker, though, so the old dynamic loader is
still necessary.  ".do" files may not be able to grab onto
dynamically-linked routines, but I don't think they can even grab onto
*statically*-linked routines in "runapp", either; is that what the
"getlist.awk" stuff handles?
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I'm quite a newcomer to this list, and have got more letters than ever before.

I really would like to go through all messages, mark those that belong to 
info-andrew

and then in ONE operation file all of them into my folder "info-andrew" can 
this be done in some way I havent discovered yet or is it a yet unimplemented 
feature ?

Not that I don't want it to be done automatically since:


\description{1. I'm illisperate (No FLAMES please)

2. I want to go through my mailbox deleting dup and uninteresting articles 
first.


Second question:


}Just like the news articles they arrive in random order so the usually show 
up with the answers first and the questions last. Is there any sorting options 
like those in Elm which allows me to sort the letters after the time sent and 
not time arrived ?.




Christer Bernerus (SM6FBQ)			! E-mail:

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1a.  FLAMES really is the best solution for your first problem -- if you
sort them as they come in, your life will be a lot easier.  You don't
really have to know LISP, either -- the FLAMES help file contains sample
programs that are just about exactly what you want, and you can copy
them verbatim, changing only the key words and folder names to suit your
needs.  If you subscribe to all the folders that FLAMES puts things in,
then it you can go through deleting the uninteresting stuff just as
easily as you do if it all gets dumped into a single mail folder.

1b.  Unfortunately, the search and mark operation ("Find All Captions")
only works on the captions, and there's probably no way to tell from the
captions which mesages are for info-andrew.  However, you could do
something like "Find All Captions" looking for "Borenstein", then "Find
All Captions" looking for "Guy Harris", and so on, and in about six such
operations you'd probably cover 95% of info-andrew messages.  Once they
were all marked this way, you could file them all at once into a single
folder.  (Yes, someone should write a function that searches all the
bodies; it wouldn't be terribly fast, but it wouldn't be terribly hard
to write, either, and it would be great in situatons like this one.  I
think that at CMU, there's a tendency to avoid anything that will
degrade performance, even though there are times when you'll settle for
slow performance to get the feature you want.  Frankly, I think this is
an outgrowth of using a campus-wide central file system, which is by
definition never fast enough.)

2.  Try running "cui" and typing "reconstruct <folder-name>".  It will
ask you how you want to sort the messages, and you should choose option
2 -- by the actual "Date:" header.  I think this will do what you want,
though you'll have to click on the folder name in Messages again to see
the reordered list.

Cheers.  -- Nathaniel
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\quotation{Which applications are those, and what did you do inside them? I've

}\quotation{gotten dynamically-linked (and compiled with "-O", to boot), "ez",

}\quotation{"zip", and "bush" to run, at least in some simple tests, to run on 
a

}\quotation{4/280 under 4.0.3.

}
\italic{console, } \italic{messages},  and \italic{nessrun}, among others. 
 \italic{ez} did seem to run O.K. without \typewriter{-Bstatic}.  I didn't get 
a chance to do anything in them -- they died before ever displaying a window 
on the screen, or at least if the window did come up it didn't live long 
enough to do anything in it.


I may play around with it a bit more, to see if I can at least get the shared 
X libraries to link with \typewriter{-Bdynamic}.


-Tom

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\quotation{\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 18-Feb-90 Re: 
Statically linking "run.. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (1020)}

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\quotation{\quotation{Which applications are those, and what did you do inside 
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}
\quotation{\italic{console, } \italic{messages},  and \italic{nessrun}, among 
others.  \italic{ez} did seem to run O.K. without \typewriter{-Bstatic}.  I 
didn't get a chance to do anything in them -- they died before ever displaying 
a window on the screen, or at least if the window did come up it didn't live 
long enough to do anything in it.

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the shared X libraries to link with \typewriter{-Bdynamic}.

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\quotation{-Tom

}
I'm using dynamically linked \italic{messages} and \italic{console}, on many 
Sun-4's and SparcStations, without any problems other than the normal ones. 
 None of the Andrew libraries are shared, just the X libs.


Bill

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When I rlogin to another system from typescript, it stops echoing my
input.  The same thing happens when I run gdb from a typescript.  As
soon as I log off the remote system, or exit from gdb, it starts echoing
again.  This is X11R4 Andrew, patched through patch003, on a Sun-4,
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Where do I get the official fixes to ATK?

And are there any tools to convert Andrew-format rasters to and from
other formats?

Bill Wisner <wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
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I notice that the panel object now frees the user "tag" when
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Andrew, and a seemingly very unfriendly one.  Since tag is really the
user "rock", it would seem almost always a bad idea to free it.  Any
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I will let someone else answer about official patches to Andrew.


I have implemented extensions to convertraster to read and write X window dump 
format (xy format only, right now) and X bitmap format.  I have also 
implemented a lot of other useful stuff, that would be of general interest to 
the community.  Someone should set up a clearinghouse mechanism so that we can 
all take advantage of each other's extensions.  I have tried giving things 
back to ITC, but they are understandably reluctant to take back anything more 
significant than very small fixes to bugs.


\bold{\bigger{Charles Hayden  cch@mtgzx.att.com}}

Bell Labs   MT 3G-408

200 Laurel Ave, Middletown, NJ 07748

(201) 957-5558

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\quotation{it stops echoing my input.  The same thing happens when I run gdb 
from a typescript.}


With GDB 3.x - if you really want to run it in typescript, and see what you're 
typing - I think you have to turn off 'edit mode'.


I don't remember the exact command - as I've tended to use xterm's for running 
gdb in.


--fish

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Gary,

	This is a long standing bug, but I think I know how it might be dealt with. 
Don't bother doing anything about it until you here from me. 


	Tom


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From: Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com>

To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu, info-andrew-bugs@andrew.cmu.edu

Subject: noecho bug on rlogin from typescript


When I rlogin to another system from typescript, it stops echoing my

input.  The same thing happens when I run gdb from a typescript.  As

soon as I log off the remote system, or exit from gdb, it starts echoing

again.  This is X11R4 Andrew, patched through patch003, on a Sun-4,

SunOS 4.0.3.


Bill


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From: cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes!wisner@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Bill 
Wisner)

Subject: fixes and raster conversion

To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu



> Where do I get the official fixes to ATK?


I'll let someone else answer this one.


> And are there any tools to convert Andrew-format rasters to and from

> other formats?


The Andrew contribution to the X tape includes a Raster Graphics Toolkit, 
which was done as part of the NSF-funded EXPRES project.  The RG Toolkit 
provides support for converting among a number of raster formats:


\indent{Amiga Interchange File Format (IFF)

Andrew (ATK) Raster Format

CompuServe's Graphics Interchange Format (GIF)

Group 3 Facsimile Encoding (CCITT Recommendation T.4)

Group 4 Facsimile Encoding (CCITT Recommendation T.6) 

MacPaint Document Format

ODA Bitmap Format

Portable BitMap Format (PBM)

Postscript (Output format only)

Sun Raster Format

X Bitmap Format}


The RG Tool Kit can be found under the Andrew Toolkit contribution directory 
in "oda/raster".  The installation directions are in "oda/doc/install.txt" 
(maybe "install.doc", I forget).  Complete documentation for the RG Toolkit is 
available (for a small charge to cover costs)  from the ITC by sending mail:


ODA Tool Kit

ITC

Carnegie Mellon University

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> Bill Wisner <wisner@hayes.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775


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Actually, this is a VERY easy bug to reproduce.  In addition to rlogin
or gdb, you also get this behavior all the time if your shell is the
Korn shell!  Basically, I think it happens to anything that opens the
terminal in raw mode.  Very icky, indeed.  I hadn't reported the bug
because I was so used to it I took it for granted, but it is so bad that
I have not recommended typescript to any one at Bellcore; my standard
line is "if you're happy with xterm, stick with it."  Of course, most
people here use the Korn shell, so this is reasonable advice.

I suspect this will be a VERY hard bug to fix, knowing a little about
how typescript works, but it is certainly a major bug.
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The ITC (Information Technology Center in the School of Computer

Science at Carnegie Mellon University) has several summer student

(full time, temporary) positions open.  A variety of projects are

proposed for:

				 

    building automated email message filtering using XFLAMES

    on the Andrew Message System (C/Lisp programmer)


    human factors project investigating principles involved in the

    creation process (English student, psychology student,

    architecture student)


    graphic design/analysis of color usage in computer systems

    (graphics/design student, English student, psychology student or

    architecture student)


    writing technical documentation on and for the Andrew multi-media

    systems (English student, technical writing student),


    adding national language support in the Andrew multi-media system

    (C programmer)


    developing additional media for the Andrew

    multi-media system (C programmer)


    expanding a raster graphics tool kit (C programmer)


    porting the Postgres object-oriented database

    system onto new platforms (C programmer)


    porting the ISODE OSI network development system to new

    platforms (C programmer)


    integrating video into the Andrew multi-media system (C

    programmer, X expertise)


    constructing a video-device toolkit (C programmer,

    Unix device drivers)


    bringing full-text journals on-line from typesetter tapes (C

    programmer)


All positions require writeups at the end of the summer.  A more

detailed description of projects is available on request.  We hire

both graduate and undergraduate students, mostly from CMU, but will

consider exceptional students from anywhere (however, we do not have

relocation funds).  To be considered for a position, you should

submit a resume, a phone number where you can be reached, the names

of three references with phone numbers (at least one technical

reference), a writing sample (English -- all positions) and a

programming sample (for those interesting in programming positions --

one page of C routine will do).  Send materials to:


	Mark Sherman

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	4910 Forbes Avenue

	Pittsburgh, PA 15213

	phone (412) 268-6727

	fax (412) 268-6787

	mss+@andrew.cmu.edu


Non-CMU students must also send me a completed CMU employment

application.  These forms are available from:


	Carnegie Mellon University

	Employment Office

	Building B

	Pittsburgh, PA 15213

	(412) 268-2046


We will immediately acknowledge all materials received.  We expect to

review materials and start interviewing by March 19.  We plan to make

offers starting April 2.  We will continue to make offers until we

exhaust the project pool, the applicant pool or internal resources. 


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This probably isn't all that useful to those of you living on Unix boxes,
but I've implemented a bunch of Lisp code for the TI Explorer that can
read and write Andrew rasters, and can read simple multi-font documents
with embedded rasters.  There's also a 70%-implemented Andrew BBoard 
reader.  This stuff is anonymously-FTPable from spice.cs.cmu.edu in the
file /usr/jwz/public/andrew-datastream.lisp (see also _readme.text).

		-- Jamie
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\quotation{Where do I get the official fixes to ATK?

}
\quotation{And are there any tools to convert Andrew-format rasters to and 
from

}\quotation{other formats?

}
try `help convertraster`


FredH


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\quotation{I complained about this several times, but the reply was the panel 
had not been documented one way or the other.  I agree it is a major 
inconvenience, as I usually store marks in panels, and now I have to malloc 4 
bytes and store a pointer to the mark.  It is ABSOLUTELY wrong to free 
something you did not malloc in the first place.

}
\quotation{\bold{\bigger{Charles Hayden  cch@mtgzx.att.com}}

}
I just copied the code to a very similar inset called \italic{jpanel}, that 
doesn't free the rock.  I'm tempted just to fix the release code, but I'm 
wondering if \bold{messages} or \bold{help} depend on the `feature' to prevent 
memory leaks.


Bill

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\quotation{I don't remember the exact command - as I've tended to use xterm's 
for running gdb in.

}

\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew: 21-Feb-90 Re: noecho bug on rlogin 
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\quotation{...I have not recommended typescript to any one at Bellcore; my 
standard

line is "if you're happy with xterm, stick with it."  Of course, most

people here use the Korn shell, so this is reasonable advice.

}
\quotation{I suspect this will be a VERY hard bug to fix, knowing a little 
about

}\quotation{how typescript works, but it is certainly a major bug.

}
Oh ye of little faith!  \typewriter{xterm} -- bah, humbug.  I want an 
\bold{ALL-ANDREW} environment.


Actually, \italic{tm} works just fine with gdb and rlogin, and I've switched 
to using that instead.  It also makes me believe that the fix to typescript 
cannot be all that hard.


Bill



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The first time I heard about ADEW I thought it was going to 
distributed with the Andrew stuff that was contributed with X ?

Is this not true ? 

I can't find it anywhere in the X stuff.
So tell me, what is the deal with ADEW ? Is it something that must be
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I don't think the "noecho bug" in typescript is a bug.  I think
typescript is *supposed* to work that way.  Using a typescript is
basically the equivalent of telnetting in line mode instead of
character mode.  For some applications, this is the most useful way it
could be  implemented.
-- 
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I'm bit confused.  Are we extenral sites supposed to interpret Fred's
mail as an ITC-approved patch or not?  Will it be appearing in a future
ITC patch?  I'm trying hard to keep my sources in line with the ITC
distribution as much as possible, and a patch that comes from Fred but
not Susan seems anomalous to me.  Should I expect it in a future
official patch and wait for that?

Mind you, I really appreciate the fixes, I just want to know what their
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from mail: 22-Feb-90 Re: string speedups Tom 
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\quotation{I presume these (and other patches that have been proposed on 
info-andrew) will eventually be distributed as official patch updates?  I hate 
to go mucking with my sources, only to have \italic{patch} reject various 
fixes in the future.

}
My two patches (to dataobj.c and smpltext.c) were entirely unofficial.  I 
apologize for posting them.


You should wait for the official patch from the ATK group.


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\quotation{The patches below fix two problems.}


I presume these (and other patches that have been proposed on info-andrew) 
will eventually be distributed as official patch updates?  I hate to go 
mucking with my sources, only to have \italic{patch} reject various fixes in 
the future.


-Tom

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\quotation{I presume these (and other patches that have been proposed on 
info-andrew) will eventually be distributed as official patch updates?  I hate 
to go mucking with my sources, only to have \italic{patch} reject various 
fixes in the future.

}
My two patches (to dataobj.c and smpltext.c) were entirely unofficial.  I 
apologize for posting them.


You should wait for the official patch from the ATK group.


Fred Hansen\
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	Adew is all on the tape, but for historical reasons there is no Adew 
directory. The source for the buttons, switches, string-entry objects and the 
like are in atk/value. The other sources and documentation are in atk/lset. 
The demo controllers are in atk/controllers and the documentation is installed 
in $DESTDIR/doc/adew.


	Tom N.

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Tm does indeed work better than typescript for this sort of thing, but it has 
other bugs.  I would switch to tm and report all the other bugs, except that 
tm is officially not supported by the ITC.  (If I had my druthers, it would be 
the other way 'round -- tm is the one to support, albeit with several 
improvements!)


I think that the basic typescript model for input-processing is sufficiently 
different from tm's that fixing typescript would be a lot harder than you 
think, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.


Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that the "standout" 
mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and currently an \italic{italic} 
style in tm, were made something more noticable (e.g. even for SPACE 
characters in standout mode), like maybe an \underline{underline} style? 
 That's just one of about twenty tm suggestions that I'd make if it were a 
"supported" program...


I have to say, though, that it isn't clear to me that there's a lot of mileage 
to be gotten out of improving typescript OR tm.  I mean, does the world really 
need a better xterm-type program all that badly?  Andrew really shines for 
applications like ez and messages.  Typescript and tm have some neat features, 
but I'm not convinced they're worth a major support effort when resources at 
CMU are known to be quite limited.


(Now, on the other hand, a real multimedia shell \italic{replacement} program 
would be a very spiffy thing.  To put the example in UNIX-command-line-terms, 
I'd like to be able to type (with apologies to everyone reading this on 
netnews or otherwise with non-Andrew readers):


% grep 
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and get the output:


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Now, try doing \italic{that} in typescript or tm!  And yes, I recognize that 
the whole idea of sticking with UNIX command lines and the "grep" command is 
kind of absurd, but this should at least point you in the direction that a 
real Andrew-based shell would go!  -- Nathaniel

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Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:
> Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that the
> "standout" mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and currently
> an italic style in tm, were made something more noticable (e.g. even for
> SPACE characters in standout mode), like maybe an underline style? 

Tm uses a template ("tm.<whatever-the-braindead-extension-for-templates-is>")
to get its styles from, so just copy the default one into your own template
directory and modify it to your pleasure.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from andrew: 21-Feb-90 Re: noecho bug on rlogin 
fr.. Nathaniel Borenstein@thu (1908+3)}


\quotation{ (If I had my druthers, it would be the other way 'round -- tm is 
the one to support, albeit with several improvements!)


}I agree!


\quotation{I mean, does the world really need a better xterm-type program all 
that badly?}


The nice thing about \bold{typescript} is that it supports the same interface 
model -- same text, same brain-dead menus, same line editing, etc.  There are 
fewer breakdowns in switching between \bold{ez} and \bold{typescript} than 
between \bold{ez} and \bold{xterm}, for example.  I'd like something more like 
\bold{tm}, in that it should handle \italic{curses} programs.  And of course, 
the main attribute of \bold{xterm} is that it emulates a character terminal. 
 \bold{Typescript} does not, and thus is not really an \bold{xterm}-type 
program.


And, as you say, it is ridiculous that \bold{typescript} and \bold{tm} do not 
properly present ATK objects.  If I cat a file with a \italic{zip} in it, I 
should see that object come out, not some text representation.  We should have 
to run a \italic{program} to see the text representation, something called 
\bold{ezrawcat} or some such.  But enough about how the world should be...


Bill

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	I am very interested in getting patches and new code from other sites. Such 
contributions are important to the future of ATK. We are currently involved in 
discussing how we could handle such contributions. There are several issues 
involved.


\leftindent{1. There are legal concerns (is the contributed code owned by some 
company ? Can we legally redistribute it?) .  At a minimum, the code should 
contain copyrights along the lines of those on X tape software.


2. There are concerns regarding how people might get themselves in trouble 
using code we ship.  Because of the nature of the system, there are certain 
extensions that could be very useful in some environments, but major security 
holes in others. We have to think carefully about such features before we 
redistribute them. 


3.  Will the contributed code function outside of the computing environment in 
which it was created? Who will test the code in other environments?  Who ends 
up supporting the code? 


4. It is important that the documentation stay up to date. We are also trying 
to avoid sending out patches of changes that will cause the receivers to have 
to recompile the world. 

}
	I hope that soon we will be in a position to deal with these questions. 
Meanwhile,  bug-fix patches should continue to be sent to info-andrew-bugs. 
 We welcome patches that provide new features, but we will need time to 
evaluate them. 


	If you have new insets, you might consider putting them in the contrib/andrew 
directory on expo.lcs.mit.edu, and make a post here regarding availability.


	Thanks to all to who have made contributions to the Andrew system.  I always 
look forward to seeing what new things people come up with.


	Regards,

		Tom Neuendorffer

		Manager, ATK group

		ITC / CMU

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 13-Feb-90 Statically linking 
"runapp".. Guy Harris@uunet.uu.net (679)}


\quotation{>I finally got Andrew Release 3 up and running -- seems the 
Imakefiles

}\quotation{>neglected to put in some "-Bstatic" options in the right places 
in the

}\quotation{>Makefiles.  The places I know about are atk/apps (for runapp) and

}\quotation{>atk/ness/objects (for nessrun).  Are there any others I may have

}\quotation{>missed?

}
\quotation{Err, umm, why do you want to build "runapp" statically?  I modified 
the

}\quotation{Imakefile too, but I did it to link with "-lX11" rather than

}\quotation{"/usr/lib/libX11.a", so that it would pick up the *shared* 
"libX11";

}\quotation{heck, even if I run *no* non-Andrew X11 applications other than 
the

}\quotation{window manager, I still get some sharing, and there will be other

}\quotation{non-Andrew X11 applications that I'd run, I suspect....

}

Well, I've been running some further experiments with my static vs. dynamic 
linking problem on SPARCstations.  It turns out that the only library I 
\italic{have} to link in statically to \italic{\bold{runapp}} is -lm.  With 
-lm dynamically linked, many of my Andrew apps core dump before ever 
displaying a window.  With it statically linked, everything seems to run just 
fine.  Beats the heck out of me -- maybe I have a damaged version of the 
shared math library.


I also looked at the relative sizes of some things when using dynamic vs. 
static linking.  For my test case, I had the following X clients active, which 
is reasonably representative of my usual working environment:


\example{\smaller{twm

xterm (2)

xman

xload (2) running on remote machines

console

bush

ez (2)

messages

}}
For purposes of comparison, everything was iconified except 
\italic{\bold{console}} and the two \bold{\italic{xterm}}s.


I made the modification Guy suggested, substituting -lX11 for 
/usr/lib/libX11.a in the Makefile.  I then built two versions of 
\italic{\bold{runapp}}, one using -Bstatic for all of the libraries, and one 
using it only for the troublesome -lm.  Much to my surprise, the completely 
static version used about 900K less swap space, as reported by "pstat -T". 
 \bold{\italic{messages}} itself was well over 600K smaller (SZ field from "ps 
aux") in the static version.


Does anybody have a good explanation for this?  I rebuilt \italic{\bold{runapp}} 
a couple of times each way, just to be sure I hadn't made any mistakes about 
which version was which.


-Tom

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Well, I've finally gotten around to applying patch 3 to my version of Andrew, 
and it dies consistently in the build process on the Sun4.  It is the usual 
kind of thing -- you type "make Install" in the \bold{atk/ness} directory, and 
it comes back with the following:


Checking Destination Directories....

touch install.time

touch install.doc

sh: 6141 Memory fault - core dumped

*** Error code 139

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Install'


All of the actual code seems to be compiling OK, and right now I've got the 
compilation moving along nicely by using "make -k Install".  However, I hadn't 
seen this bug reported for patch 3 (though I had seen similar ones for earlier 
releases) and it never happened to me before, so I thought I should report it. 
 -- Nathaniel

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I have recently installed the Andrew Toolkit on a SUN workstation, but I
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Well, I've finally gotten around to applying patch 3 to my version of Andrew, 
and it dies consistently in the build process on the Sun4.  It is the usual 
kind of thing -- you type "make Install" in the \bold{atk/ness} directory, and 
it comes back with the following:


Checking Destination Directories....

touch install.time

touch install.doc

sh: 6141 Memory fault - core dumped

*** Error code 139

make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Install'


All of the actual code seems to be compiling OK, and right now I've got the 
compilation moving along nicely by using "make -k Install".  However, I hadn't 
seen this bug reported for patch 3 (though I had seen similar ones for earlier 
releases) and it never happened to me before, so I thought I should report it. 
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Andrew , as shipped on the X11-R4 tape, should have no trouble running under 
X11- R3. Andrew is not  available for Macs or PCs (except 386 PS-2s running 
AIX).


	Tom N.


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}\quotation{touch install.doc

}\quotation{sh: 6141 Memory fault - core dumped

}\quotation{*** Error code 139

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Install'

}
Notice that the failure is in sh and not in ATK code.  Jim Fulton and I spent 
two days during the integration process rearranging andrew.rls to get rid of 
these problems, but as the system changes, they reemerge.  Generally the 
work-around is to simplify the instructions to sh found in andrew.rls.  Since 
we haven't a SUN4 to play with here, maybe someone who has can post a fix.


FredH


PS.  It would help to know exactly which directory the failure occurred in. 
 Checking patches.003, however, I can find nothing that should have affected 
the sh commands generated in the Makefile.  Sometimes the SUN4 sh failure is 
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}\quotation{touch install.time

}\quotation{touch install.doc

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}\quotation{*** Error code 139

}\quotation{make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Install'

}
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these problems, but as the system changes, they reemerge.  Generally the 
work-around is to simplify the instructions to sh found in andrew.rls.  Since 
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FredH


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the sh commands generated in the Makefile.  Sometimes the SUN4 sh failure is 
non-repeatable.


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I tried building Andrew on a DECstation 3100 and the build stopped because
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Thanks
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	We are working on the IBM RISC System/6000 port. We hope to have it done by 
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\quotation{Sometimes the SUN4 sh failure is non-repeatable.

}
Yep, I compiled just fine with patch003 installed (Sun-4/260, SunOS 4.0.3, 
 CDEBUGFLAGS = -g).


Bill

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>>>>> On Fri, 23 Feb 90 13:44:11 -0800 (PST), Bill Janssen <janssen@parc.xerox.com> said:
> Sometimes the SUN4 sh failure is non-repeatable.

janssen> Yep, I compiled just fine with patch003 installed (Sun-4/260, SunOS 4.0.3, 
janssen>  CDEBUGFLAGS = -g).

When I compiled andrew with cc -O on the Sun-4, I too got what at first seemed
like a crash in sh. The problem turned out to lie in /bin/as rather than sh.
Sun is apparently aware of this problem.

I had no such troubles when I compiled andrew with gcc-1.37:
	gcc -O -traditional -fstrength-reduce -fwritable-strings
(I used the gnu assembler gas-1.34).

We have been running a gcc compiled version of andrew on our Sun-3's
and SPARCstation's now for about a month without any apparent problems.

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>I suspect this will be a VERY hard bug to fix, knowing a little about
>how typescript works, but it is certainly a major bug.

Bill, was your intended fix "replace 'typescript' with 'tm'"?
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I wish to build Andrew R3 with AFS_ENV and AFS30_ENV defined.
The documentation says I will need some files, four of which don't
seem to be on the AFS 3.0 beta distribution kit:

	include/afs/prserver.h
	include/afs/print.h
	lib/afs/libcont.a
	lib/afs/librauth.a

It looks like prserver.h and print.h may just be old names for ptserver.h
and ptint.h.  Anyone know anything about the libraries?  Thanks.

-- 
	Keith Gorlen			phone: (301) 496-1111
	Building 12A, Room 2033		uucp: uunet!nih-csl!kgorlen
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For those of us running AFS 3.0, is the Andrew distribution area
(on emsworth) reachable via an AFS path?  Thanks.


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Date: 24 Feb 90 20:43:07 GMT
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 >> Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that the
 >> "standout" mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and currently
 >> an italic style in tm, were made something more noticable (e.g. even for
 >> SPACE characters in standout mode), like maybe an underline style? 
 >
 >Tm uses a template ("tm.<whatever-the-braindead-extension-for-templates-is>")
 >to get its styles from, so just copy the default one into your own template
 >directory and modify it to your pleasure.

Unfortunately, there's no "inverse video" text style in Andrew yet, as
far as I know.... 
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\quotation{>I suspect this will be a VERY hard bug to fix, knowing a little 
about

}\quotation{>how typescript works, but it is certainly a major bug.

}
\quotation{Bill, was your intended fix "replace 'typescript' with 'tm'"?

}
It seems the best bet.


Bill

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\quotation{	include/afs/prserver.h

}\quotation{	include/afs/print.h

}\quotation{	lib/afs/libcont.a

}\quotation{	lib/afs/librauth.a

}
\quotation{It looks like prserver.h and print.h may just be old names for 
ptserver.h

}\quotation{and ptint.h.  

}
Correct.


\quotation{Anyone know anything about the libraries?  Thanks.

}
libcont.a and librauth.a are part of a much older AFS version (2.x?) - and are 
no longer supported (to the best of my knowledge). 


I believe this affects:


'vopcon' [andrew/atk/console/cmd] which you should not need if you have AFS3.0 
(I believe Transarc distributes a program called 'scout'?)


snap2 - several of the programs under andrew/overhead/snap2 are geared to the 
old-style authentication code - I have absolutely no idea what to do about 
this execpt try to skip the affected directories.



--fish

(PS: I offer these comments *un-officialy* )

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attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
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attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
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attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
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attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
I have noticed a few instances of strange behavior when using \italic{Org 
Charts}. I was wondering if they are generic problems or am I doing something 
wrong.


(1) I started with an \italic{Org Chart} that is created by \italic{messages} 
using \bold{Expose Tree}. I saved this \italic{Org Chart} in a file 
\bold{test.org}. Then I did a


	\bold{ez test.org}


\italic{Ez} came up fine and I could do everything with the \italic{Org Chart} 
that I expected to be able to do. However when I tried to kill the buffer 
(\italic{Delete buffer} \bold{^Xk}) containing \bold{test.org }\italic{runapp} 
silently dumped core and \italic{ez} disappeared.


(2) I started up \italic{sendmessage}, and I included \bold{test.org} in the 
message using \bold{^X^I}. It got included fine. But when I tried to do 
anything with the \italic{Org Chart} in the \italic{sendmessage} window, 
\italic{sendmessage} froze, and then \italic{\bold{it managed to crash the X 
server!!!}}


(3) If I carefully include an \italic{Org Chart} in a message and just mail it 
without touching it at all then it does indeed go through and get received by 
the recipient. But \bold{\italic{it is a real time bomb.}} When the recipient 
tries to view this message, s/he can view it, but more often than not, that is 
the last message that s/he will view with that pariticular incarnation of 
\italic{messages}, because soon thereafter it will hang with some 
\italic{segmentation violation} message displayed on the \italic{console}.


Has anyone observed these strangenesses? If so, is someone working on fixing 
them?

I believe we have patch level 3 installed here. I am not quite sure but 
\italic{Charlie Hayden <cch@mtgzx.att.com> }can confirm or deny that.


\center{\bold{Jishnu Mukerji},  

\smaller{\italic{jis@mtgzx.att.com}, 

\italic{+1 201 957 5986},  }

\smaller{\italic{\smaller{\bold{AT&T Bell Laboratories}, 

MT 3K-423, 200 Laurel Ave., 

Middletown NJ 07748}}}

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\quotation{ >> Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that 
the

}\quotation{ >> "standout" mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and 
currently

}\quotation{ >> an italic style in tm, were made something more noticable 
(e.g. even for

}\quotation{ >> SPACE characters in standout mode), like maybe an underline 
style? 

}\quotation{ >

}\quotation{ >Tm uses a template 
("tm.<whatever-the-braindead-extension-for-templates-is>")

}\quotation{ >to get its styles from, so just copy the default one into your 
own template

}\quotation{ >directory and modify it to your pleasure.

}
\quotation{Unfortunately, there's no "inverse video" text style in Andrew yet, 
as

}\quotation{far as I know.... 

}

Yes, but changing the word "Italic" to "Underline" in my copy of the 
appropriate template really did the trick -- it makes a MUCH better, if not 
perfect, mode line.  Now that underlining works, shouldn't this really be the 
default?


Yes, yes, tm is not supported, I know, but how hard is it to change Italic to 
Underline?

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\quotation{For those of us running AFS 3.0, is the Andrew distribution area

}\quotation{(on emsworth) reachable via an AFS path?  Thanks.

}
Yes, the path is

/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/itc/sm/releases/X.V11R4


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\quotation{I have noticed a few instances of strange behavior when using 
\italic{Org Charts}. I was wondering if they are generic problems or am I 
doing something wrong.

}
\quotation{Has anyone observed these strangenesses? If so, is someone working 
on fixing them?

}\quotation{I believe we have patch level 3 installed here. 

}
Your are not doing anything wrong.  Do not adjust your set.


There have been reports received concering Org but not any that can be 
reproduced with the hardware prevelent here (rt, 4.3bsd).  What machine/os are 
you using?


There is a problem saving org charts on sun3/50s w/ SunOS 4.01.  


Gary Keim

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\quotation{I have noticed a few instances of strange behavior when using 
\italic{Org Charts}. I was wondering if they are generic problems or am I 
doing something wrong.

}

It is (unfortunately) the case that a bug in any inset can be a time bomb for 
a program like ez or messages.  Messages is particularly vulnerable because 
when you go on to the next message, it actually \italic{destroys} the objects 
in the old message (ez tends to keep them around in a buffer unless you use 
^X^K, which is how you got your ez bug).  Often the developer of an inset 
tests how it runs quite carefully, but doesn't so carefully test how it dies, 
 which yields an inset that works fine for demo purposes but causes particular 
problems when sent through the mail.


I conjecture that one of three things is happening in the xxx_FinalizeObject 
class procedure (where xxx is some one of the many objects in the family of 
objects that make up the org inset and its apt superclasses).  Either 
something is being freed that shouldn't be, or something is being written past 
its allocated area, or an enqueued timer event is not being cancelled.  I make 
this conjecture not based on the code (because I don't know the org code, and 
don't particularly care to) but based on considerably past experience with 
this type of bug report.


I suspect that this hypothesis explains your bugs #1 and #3.  As to #2 -- 
where an org inset in the sendmessage window caused the X server to dump core 
-- this is obviously harder to diagnose.  Clearly there is a bug in the X 
server, but (if this is reproducible) undoubtedly some ATK/org bug triggers 
it.  Conceivably the symptom will go away when the other bug is fixed, but i 
wouldn't count on it.  -- Nathaniel

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	Does anyone know where some info on Andrew and the associated
File system could be found other than from the atk distribution. IS
there any place where a PS version of the docs are kept ?

	Thanks
	Arun

-- 
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I'm having problems installing Andrew R3 (patch level 3) on a SPARCstation-1 running SUNOS 4.0.3c, X11R4 (fixes 1 and 2 installed), and the beta test release of AFS 3.0.  Copies of my site.mcr and site.h files are attached.  When built in this environment, few things work.  ez brings up a window and can do primitive editing operations, and I could insert an eq object, but it crashes if I try to insert a zip object.  Most other applications (e.g. help, console, ezprint, ness) just dump core after printing o





ut the "Starting ..." message but before bringing up a window.

I had in my notes from previous experiences with building andrew the following problems that have apparently not been corrected yet, so I made these changes:

ams/ms/Imakefile shouldn't explicitly use libplumber.a:

LIBS_PART_B= \
	${BASEDIR}/lib/libmail.a \
	${BASEDIR}/lib/liberrors.a \
	${UTILLIB} ${PRSLIB} \
	${MALLOCLIB} \
	${BASEDIR}/lib/libgasp.a \
	${RESOLVLIB}

Correct the modes on the following files (I don't own the files in the andrew source tree I'm using):

chmod 0444 atk/chart/chart.ch
chmod +r atk/supportviews/{strtbl.c,strtbl.ch,strtblv.c,strtblv.ch}
chmod +r atk/apt/apt/{apt.ch,aptv.ch}
chmod +r atk/apt/tree/{tree.ch,treev.ch}
chmod +r atk/calc.ch calcv.ch
chmod +r atk/eq/eqv.c
chmod +r atk/lookz/{lookz.c,lookz.ch,lookzt.c,lookzv.c,lookzv.ch,lookzvt.c}
chmod +r overhead/class/machdep/aix_i386/{dofix.c,doload.c,entry.spp,getlist.awk}

First, I tried building andrew with AFS_ENV and AFS30_ENV enabled, but this apparently hasn't been tested because expected files are missing from the AFS 3.0 distribution.  Four of the missing files looked like their names had been changed due to the change from "pr" to "pt" for the protection server.  As a workaround, I turned off SNAP_ENV, disabled making vopcon, and made these links in /usr/afs/include/afs:

	ln ptclient.h prclient.h
	ln pterror.h prerror.h
	ln ptint.h print.h
	ln ptserver.h prserver.h

But I gave up when compiling overhead/util/lib/alquery.c failed with undefined symbols.

Next, I tried making a non-AFS version of andrew.  I discovered that the version of install supplied with AFS 3.0 doesn't work.  The command

	install -c -m 0555 makedo.csh /usr/andrew/bin/makedo

creates the directory /usr/andrew/bin/makedo and places makedo.csh in it instead of copying makedo.csh to /usr/andrew/bin/makedo.

After switching to /usr/bin/install, building andrew seemed to work except that (1) I had to recover several times from the infamous Sun-4 "sh" problem, (2) I couldn't get the ness documentation installed because ness would dump core, and (3) I couldn't build parts of amsatk and contrib/wpedit because dofix failed with unresolved symbols.

Problem (2) is probably caused by whatever is causing most of the other andrew applications to die.  I recall reading that there were problems with the andrew version of malloc on the Sun-4, and also something about needing to statically link some libraries somehow, but I don't recall the details.  Were these fixed in patch 3, or could they be the source of my difficulties?

I suspect problem (3) is due to the way I was trying to link in a version of libc containing the DNS resolver routines, since the unresolved symbols looked like they were from the resolver.  I had set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to substitute the resolver version of libc.so.1.3 we had obtained from uunet instead of the libc.so supplied with SunOS 4.0.3.  It looks like the problem may be that dofix and doload get their symbol tables from libc.a, not libc.so, so they don't know about the resolver routines.  Unfortunatel





y, I don't have a resolver version of libc.a.  I tried modifying sun_sparc/Makefile to generate the globals from the resolver libc.so instead of libc.a, but then the testmain program couldn't seem to find even things like _print.

Any help or advice on these problems would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

	Keith Gorlen			phone: (301) 496-1111
	Building 12A, Room 2033		uucp: uunet!nih-csl!kgorlen
	National Institutes of Health	Internet: kgorlen@alw.nih.gov
	Bethesda, MD 20892

-----
site.mcr:
	AFSBASEDIR = /usr/afs
	XUTILDIR = /usr/bin/X11
	IMAKE = $(XUTILDIR)/imake
	XMAKEDEPEND = $(XUTILDIR)/makedepend

/* Don't use /usr/afs/bin/install */
	INSTALL = /usr/bin/install

/* -O doesn't work */
	CDEBUGFLAGS =

site.h:
#undef	AMS_DELIVERY_ENV
#define	AMS_DELIVERY_ENV 1

#undef	WHITEPAGES_ENV
#define	WHITEPAGES_ENV 1

#undef	ODA_ENV
#define	ODA_ENV 1

#undef	CONTRIB_ENV
#define	CONTRIB_ENV 1

#undef	MK_BASIC_UTILS
#define	MK_BASIC_UTILS 1

#undef	MK_AUTHORING
#define	MK_AUTHORING 1

#undef	MK_AUX_UTILS
#define	MK_AUX_UTILS 1

#undef	MK_EXAMPLES
#define	MK_EXAMPLES 1

#undef	LINKINSTALL_ENV

#undef	AFS_ENV
/* #define	AFS_ENV 1 */
#undef	AFS30_ENV
/* #define	AFS30_ENV 1 */

/* Can't build snap with AFS until we find lib/afs/librauth.a */
#undef	SNAP_ENV
#ifndef	AFS_ENV
#define	SNAP_ENV 1
#endif

#undef	RUN_AMDS_ENV
#define	RUN_AMDS_ENV 1

#undef	DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV
#define DEFAULT_LOCALDIR_ENV /usr/andrew/local
-- 
	Keith Gorlen			phone: (301) 496-1111
	Building 12A, Room 2033		uucp: uunet!nih-csl!kgorlen
	National Institutes of Health	Internet: kgorlen@alw.nih.gov
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\quotation{I conjecture that one of three things is happening in the 
xxx_FinalizeObject class procedure (where xxx is some one of the many objects 
in the family of objects that make up the org inset and its apt superclasses). 
 Either something is being freed that shouldn't be, or something is being 
written past its allocated area, or an enqueued timer event is not being 
cancelled.}


In particular, the \typewriter{suite_FinalizeObject} method core-dumps on 
Sun-4's when called from \italic{bushv}.  (ever wonder why \bold{bush} takes 
so long to quit?  Busy core-dumping.).  And since \italic{suite} and 
\italic{orgv} are both sub-classes of \italic{aptv}, I'd suspect something in 
the \italic{aptv} code.  But it's too simple.  Looking at 
\typewriter{orgv_FinalizeObject}, we find that it calls 
\typewriter{treev_Destroy} and \typewriter{suite_Destroy}.  Looking at 
\typewriter{suite_Destroy}, we find it does a number of frees and destroys 
(but all seem to work when called from \typewriter{orgv_FinalizeObject}!). 
 I'll post a note if I find anything.


Bill

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\quotation{Yup, if you're using mswp.c's recipient validation, you'll have to 
get

}\quotation{it to know about the valid aliases that the icase.edu mail server 
knows

}\quotation{about.  Is there any sensible way of doing that?  How would you go 
about

}\quotation{to write a YP client to do that?  Is it simply a matter of calling 
the

}\quotation{native getpwnam() routine?  (Probably not, or else 
AMS_PasswdValidation

}\quotation{would be doing the right thing for you.)

}
\quotation{If you can answer this, maybe we can extend mswp.c to do the right 
thing

}\quotation{for your case, either extending CheckGlobalAlias() (which, as you 
noted,

}\quotation{checks only /usr/lib/aliases), or extending the 
LookupInLocalDatabase

}\quotation{case for you.

}

Well, I worked on the code for \italic{CheckGlobalAlias()} in 
\bold{ams/libs/ms/mswp.c} and here is what I came up with.  It's pretty 
straightforward, so it should be easy to adapt as needed.  The strategy is:


\description{(1)  If \typewriter{AMS_AliasesValidation} is true, then validate 
the address against any globally-defined aliases by calling 
\italic{CheckGlobalAlias()}.  (No change here -- this is the way it currently 
works.)}


\description{(2)  \italic{CheckGlobalAliases()} first looks for the alias in 
\bold{/usr/lib/aliases}.  If it can't find it there, then if 
\typewriter{YELLOWPAGES_ENV} is defined, it will look in the "mail.aliases" 
database of the default local YP domain.

}
I've tested this on our system (SunOS 4.0.3) and it seems to do what we want. 
 I've enclosed the patches to \bold{mswp.c}. 


There are a few things which you may want to consider before incorporating my 
code as is:


\leftindent{Should we look in both the \bold{/usr/lib/aliases} file and the YP 
database, or only one or the other?  If both, then which should take 
precedence, the file or the YP database?  Finer control over this could be 
achieved by adding some more variables to the \bold{AndrewSetup} file (at the 
expense of ever more complexity -- ugh.)


I've done nothing when encountering YP errors, except to say that the alias 
was not found.  By checking the error codes returned by 
\italic{yp_get_default_domain()} and \italic{yp_match()}, you could be a bit 
more intelligent and helpful to the user when things go wrong.


There's been some discussion on \bold{\italic{i\italic{\bold{nfo-andrew}}}} 
lately about looking for aliases in a global  (sitewide) \bold{.AMS_aliases} 
file.  It seems to me that it might be fairly easy to incorporate this feature 
into \italic{CheckGlobalAlias()}, as long as you're mucking with this piece of 
code anyway.  Maybe just steal some code from \italic{CheckPersonalAlias()} 
 and incorporate it into \italic{CheckGlobalAlias()}, then parameterize 
\italic{RefreshAliasFile()} to accept different pathnames for the local vs. 
global \italic{.AMS_alias} files.  Maybe.  I haven't really looked at the guts 
of \italic{RefreshAliasFile()}.


This is my first foray ever into programming with the \italic{yp_} routines. 
 You might want to run this past someone who has a little more experience to 
be sure I haven't overlooked anything important.

}
I hope this will be helpful to others at non-WP sites who are running Yellow 
Pages.



\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

} 
\smaller{ }}\smaller{ } 
                                                                       




---- Enclosure ----


*** ams/libs/ms/mswp.c.save	Wed Nov 22 11:34:10 1989

--- ams/libs/ms/mswp.c	Mon Feb 26 14:41:22 1990

***************

*** 2297,2303 ****

--- 2297,2305 ----

  \{

      char LineBuf[1000], *s;

      FILE *fp;

+     int found = FALSE;

  

+     /* Look in /usr/lib/aliases	first */

      errno = 0;

      fp = fopen("/usr/lib/aliases", "r");

      if (!fp) \{

***************

*** 2313,2324 ****

  	*s = '\\0';

  	s = StripWhiteEnds(LineBuf);

  	if (!ULstrcmp(s, name)) \{

! 	    *code = (CheckAMSFmtOK(Domain) <= 0 ? MSWP_GOODNETMAIL : 
MSWP_GOODUSER);

! 	    debug(16, ("CheckGlobalAlias: given %s/%s, returning %d\\n", name, 
Domain, *code));

! 	    break;

! 	\}

      \}

      fclose(fp);

      return(0);

  \}

  

--- 2315,2371 ----

  	*s = '\\0';

  	s = StripWhiteEnds(LineBuf);

  	if (!ULstrcmp(s, name)) \{

! 	   found = TRUE;

! 	   break;

!         \}

      \}

      fclose(fp);

+ 

+ #ifdef	YELLOWPAGES_ENV

+ 

+     /* If not found in the aliases file, look in the YP database */

+ 

+     /* This code needs to be improved to do something intelligent

+        about errors based on the return values from the yp_ routines. */

+ 

+     if (!found) \{

+ 

+        static char *LocalYPDomain = NULL;

+        char *alias;

+        int len;

+ 

+        if (name != NULL) \{  /* Possibly unnecessary bullet-proofing */

+ 	  if (LocalYPDomain == NULL) \{  /* just call this once! */

+ 	     if (yp_get_default_domain(&LocalYPDomain)) \{

+ 		return(0);  /* couldn't get YP domain name */

+ 		\}

+ 	     \}

+ 

+ 	  if (LocalYPDomain != NULL) \{

+ 	     alias = NULL;

+ 	     if (!yp_match(LocalYPDomain, "mail.aliases", name,

+ 			   strlen(name)+1, &alias, &len)) \{

+ 		found = TRUE;

+ 		if (len >= sizeof(LineBuf)) \{

+ 		   len = sizeof(LineBuf)-1;  /* more bullet-proofing */

+ 		   \}

+ 		*(alias+len) = '\\0';

+ 		strcpy(LineBuf, alias);

+ 		s = StripWhiteEnds(LineBuf);

+ 		\}

+ 	     if (alias != NULL) free(alias);

+ 	     \}

+ 	  \}

+        \}

+ 

+ #endif  /* YELLOWPAGES_ENV */

+ 

+     if (found)

+        \{

+        *code = (CheckAMSFmtOK(Domain) <= 0 ? MSWP_GOODNETMAIL : 
MSWP_GOODUSER);

+        debug(16, ("CheckGlobalAlias: given %s/%s, returning %d\\n", name, 
Domain, *code));

+        \}

+ 

      return(0);

  \}

  


---- Enclosure ----

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chump and chomp fail to read my events.champ file on a Sparcstation-1
running SunOS 4.0.3c.  I've created the calendar file using chimp via
ez and veried it is correct. chump and chomp simply don't read the file.
I've tried setting the champpath explicitly and  have had no luck with it.
Anyone have any patches/info on this problem? Has anyone even seen this
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Thanks,
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Which version of Andrew are you running?  It seems to me I had that
problem with a poorly configured beta-version, but Champ runs fine for
me now -- I've had no problems with the R3 release (except for a
screen-redisplay glitch in CHOMP, which I've diagnosed and reported to
the ITC.)

I use the following preference to get at my champ files:

*.champpath:
~/lib/champ/dapper.champ:~/lib/champ/events.champ:~/lib/champ/hebrew.cham
p

I run in the same hardware and OS environment that you do, so I suspect
the problem is somewhere either in your preferences or conceivably the
ANDREWDIR variable or something in the in your AndrewSetup file.

One possibility is that you've got the system configured wrong vis-a-vis
the white pages, yellow pages, and /etc/passwd.  In this case, the
software might not be properly resolving tildes in your preferences. 
You can test this hypothesis by running the CUI program and giving the
command "cat ~/preferences" (i.e. asking it to cat a file in your home
directory).  If that doesn't work, that is probably CHAMP's problem,
too, and you should look at the configuration values that tell the
system what to use for a password/wp/yp database.

If you're really stuck, bear in mind that "chump" is a non-ATK program,
and therefore easy to debug with any debugger.  Look particularly at the
piece of code where it reads your champ path (atk/champ/read.c).  Good
luck.  -- Nathaniel
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In trying to compile AMS with the resolver library I ran
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All of the AMS source that uses the resolver wants to find the
include as <resolv.h>. On my system the include is actully in
<arpa/resolv.h>. I get a makedepend error because of this one.
	Is there a fix or have I done something wrong ?

in my site.mcr file I have the line
	RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

Do I need something else ?

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Subject: Printing bugs with insets.

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There are some serious bugs with printing and insets... 


When embedded rasters are incuded in a document, ezprint ends up

sticking `\\` at the end of each postscript command. That is a serious 
problem.


psdit from Transcript,  recognizes all code between a '%' and a '.' on 

a line by itself to be embedded postscript.  However, since ezprint generates

a '\\' at the end of each line of the postscript code,  it ends with a `.\\'. 

This causes psdit to assume the following ditroff output code to be 
postscript.

That really is a bug with ezprint - not psdit. Those '\\'s shouldn't be added

unless it is part of the valid postscript code.



The other problem is seen when embedding other insets into a zip object.


For example:


\begindata{zip,2577320}
%ViewWidth 652
%ViewHeight 459
%ObjectWidth 563
%ObjectHeight 429
*D;-7769,7397
N8.5X11
>-7769,7397
*A;-4078,93806
Fandy40bi
TSome people don't like fire breathing dragons....
MCM
*I;-150498,79940
>111344,-166404
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bits 3470160 321 294
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j08aa20gafdfG	e0i01ee6008i01	g0e1e80g31e355	120422a30fecb0
 i |
i040155hdff2G	80jGc0j022001	03e0g1ffag9201	883fee0960i |
j40bf068037ef	Gj01G8008i8d01	41e7f8g0ffa80	g0625Gbf89c0i |
k6017206fGfek	fb8004i22g503f	1e07c40ch0282	dbfb24e8i |
k8601g0fGfela0	1f80g0455a124	g031ffcia8aadf	e062c8i |
k9249g113fc0l	c07ae0h600168	h8c08h0820a6G	f01aa9i |
kc0100855Gf8l	caGf0h600162h	48i018236Gc61b	a2i |
j08a9!409fef10	k01fb8550h24h	01g70i4812df2f	010b8880h |
j02e0400563a8	80g10i01G86f8	h3011g29g30h28	4006a55f4057f2
 i |
j05800422d088	mG82d7h201124	88j2040142aGb8	4fb080h |
j04h01j22j0185	fe80i84a8j28g	682bf0148f5040	h |
j!021020j11j03	e7c740h4005m8a	f77e0506a0i |
k010820i0a0280	i087f5880h40g	80k0153Gc1c0ae	b0i |
k10k0a5150i10	f27em07i0149f5	8034bfa0i |
q0c4050i11f7fd	80h05h078d80h	01567eg185ea0	i |
l0440i0d48j0f	3fbc80h0440g70	7f80i289c108c	fc40i |
m80i4e08j1c1f	cfi04g0180cc30	h1c7160g01f9j |
l05i204440j0c	0f64le3c040h3f	e1c01804fej |
l04oa0g0938l7e	g40g07Ga7"03e0	j |
m40j80h0250g05	80n07e1fe6dfc	07e30fk |
q0290h0240g03	obfGc00fc001e0	0fk |
q0490i50p1f07	fd9ffcg03e038	k |
u02p01Jc1g31c0	70k |
zl7f4fe0h0780	g01e0k |
zk0ff010g90g07	h07c0k |
zj01f841129011	j1fl |
zj039284g0840	jfcl |
zj3c80aeh10i3f	fcl |
zj6409f1Ie0g0b	dfm |
zi01c02fI57Ie0	m |
zi0322Gfed847	H7fd4n |
zi0607f773Gs |
zi0c9dfebft |
zi1dGfeu |
zi33fdv |
zi3f80v |
zi3ew |
zi3cw |
zi78w |
zi70w |
zi70w |
zic0w |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
zzg |
\enddata{raster, 3470160}

\enddata{zip,2577320}
\view{zipview,2577320,0,654,461}


Results in the following code from ezprint (ezprint -t) :


.so /usr/local/andrew/lib/tmac/tmac.atk

.IZ

.nr IN 36p

.nr LT 432p

.nr PO 54p

.br

.ad b

'ft R

.nr PS 12

.ps \\n(PS

.nr VS 14p

.vs \\n(VSu

.nr EN 8n

.sp 0.5i

.nr DP 0

.ds Fn \\fR

.ds HF R

.nr HS \\n(.s

.ds FF R

.nr FS \\n(.s

.RS

.nh

.OC

'PB 586 413

'if  \\n(zT  \\\{\\

\\!    586 troffadjust 413 neg translate


\\!%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2

\\!% Begin Zip PostScript Prelude  Version 0.0

\\!gsave  % Save Environment Around Zip Drawing

\\!1 -1 scale

\\!1 setlinewidth  2 setlinejoin

\\!

\\!/zip_Rectangle \{

\\!	gsave newpath

\\!	0 setgray  /LW exch def  /shade exch def

\\!	/B exch def  /R exch def  /T exch def  /L exch def

\\!	L T moveto  R T lineto  R B lineto  L B lineto  L T lineto

\\!	shade 0 gt \{gsave shade setgray fill grestore\} if

\\!	closepath LW 0 gt \{LW setlinewidth stroke\} if  grestore

\\!	\}def

\\!/zip_Round_Rectangle \{

\\!	gsave newpath

\\!	0 setgray  /LW exch def  /shade exch def

\\!	/YR exch def

\\!	/XR exch def

\\!	/B exch def  /R exch def  /T exch def  /L exch def

\\!	L XR add   T moveto

\\!	R T  R B XR arcto  4 \{pop\} repeat

\\!	R B  L B XR arcto  4 \{pop\} repeat

\\!	L B  L T XR arcto  4 \{pop\} repeat

\\!	L T  R T XR arcto  4 \{pop\} repeat

\\!	shade 0 gt \{gsave shade setgray fill grestore\} if

\\!	closepath LW 0 gt \{LW setlinewidth stroke\}if  grestore

\\!	\}def

\\!/zip_Line \{

\\!	0 setgray /LW exch def  moveto lineto LW setlinewidth stroke

\\!	\}def

\\!/zip_Poly_Line \{

\\!	newpath 0 setgray

\\!	2 sub /npoints exch def

\\!	moveto currentpoint

\\!	/lastY exch def   /lastX exch def

\\!	0 1 npoints \{pop lineto\} for

\\!	lastx lasty lineto

\\!	/lastx lastX def  /lasty lastY def

\\!	shade 0 gt \{gsave shade setgray fill grestore\} if

\\!	LW 0 gt \{LW setlinewidth stroke\} if

\\!	\}def

\\!/zip_Trapezoid \{

\\!    setgray

\\!    moveto  3 \{lineto\} repeat

\\!    fill  0 setgray

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Ellipse \{

\\!    moveto  /R exch def

\\!    gsave scale

\\!    currentpoint newpath

\\!    R 0 360 arc  closepath stroke grestore

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Fill_Ellipse \{

\\!    moveto  /R exch def

\\!    gsave scale

\\!    currentpoint newpath

\\!    R 0 360 arc  closepath setgray fill  grestore

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Center_X \{

\\!    stringwidth pop  2 div sx exch sub /sx exch def

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Right_X \{

\\!    stringwidth pop  sx exch sub /sx exch def

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Middle_Y \{

\\!    2 div sy exch sub /sy exch def

\\!    \}def

\\!/zip_Bottom_Y \{

\\!    sy exch sub /sy exch def

\\!    \}def

\\!% End Zip PostScript Prelude

\\!

\\!% Begin Zip Drawing

\\! 0 -396 translate  % Portrait Mode

\\! /width 586 def /height 413 def  % Set Clip Rectangle

\\! newpath 0 0 moveto

\\! 0 height lineto width height lineto

\\! width 0 lineto 0 0 lineto clip  newpath

\\! /lastx 278.24 def /lasty 192.12 def /shade 0.00 def /LW 1 def

\\!  278.24 192.12

\\! 1 zip_Poly_Line

\\! /Times-BoldItalic findfont 40 scalefont setfont

\\! gsave 1 -1 scale

\\! /sx 285.43 def  /sy 23.67 neg def

\\! (Some people don't like fire breathing dragons....) zip_Center_X

\\! 40 zip_Middle_Y

\\! sx sy moveto (Some people don't like fire breathing dragons....) show 
grestore

\\! gsave   % Save Zip Environment Surrounding Imbedded Object

\\! 0 530 translate 1 -1 scale  % Set Zip Imbedded Object Environment

  /width -1 def  /height -1 def /xScale 0.4800 def /yScale 0.4800 def

     width xScale mul height yScale mul scale

     /picstr width 7 add 8 idiv string def

        width height 1

        [width    0    0    height neg    0    height]

        \{currentfile picstr readhexstring pop\}

     image

\\! grestore  % Restore Zip Environment Surrounding Imbedded Object

\\! grestore  % Restore Environment Around Zip Drawing

\\! % End Zip Drawing

\\\}

'PE 586 413

.TA





Notice that the embedded raster's postscript is not quoted with '\\!',

and that the raster's data for the image operator is non-existent.

When feeding this code through ditroff, we end up with the non-

quoted postsrcipt being translated as ditroff code of course....


This is a serious mess. I'm surprised no one has bothered to even mention

these problems or attempted to fix them.  Note that I have been happy

with the new release since the folks at CMU (and friends) have put 
considerable

effort in to de-CMUize the release. I just wish we could print the stuff now. 
 :-(


I have to set up my format command to strip the extraneous '\\'s added 

after each postscript line, so that  normal rasters can print. This problem

with insets is a serious mess. I haven't decided yet whether to dive in there 
and see

if I can fix the problem.  Has anyone fixed these problems, or taken a good

look at them?


Rakesh Patel.


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\begindata{text,3179456}
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from info-andrew: 26-Feb-90 Problems with Andrew on 
Sun.. Keith Gorlen@uunet.uu.ne (5216)}


\quotation{ ez brings up a window and can do primitive editing operations, and 
I could insert an eq object, but it crashes if I try to insert a zip object. 
 Most other applications (e.g. help, console, ezprint, ness) just dump core 
after printing o}\quotation{ut the "Starting ..." message but before bringing 
up a window.

}
\quotation{ (1) I had to recover several times from the infamous Sun-4 "sh" 
problem, (2) I couldn't get the ness documentation installed because ness 
would dump core

}
Finally, somebody has run into the same problems I had!!!  I was beginning to 
think our system was just corrupted or something.  I had exactly the same 
behavior you describe for these three cases.  I didn't see the \italic{dofix} 
problems, though.  (I don't have AFS and didn't try to build WP.)  


Here's what I did.  For the core dump problems (most of the apps and 
\italic{nessrun}), I modified two Makefiles after running "make Makefiles" but 
before running "make dependInstall".


\leftindent{The following \bold{Makefile}s need to be edited manually to add a 
\typewriter{-Bstatic }option for linking:


\bold{AS/atk/apps/Makefile}


\example{\smaller{runapp:  runapp.o statload.o  $\{ATKLIBS\} $\{OTHERLIBS\}

	$(RM) $@

$(CC) $(CFLAGS) \italic{\bold{-Bstatic}} -o $@  runapp.o statload.o 
$\{ATKLIBS\} $\{OTHERLIBS\}  $\{SYSLIBS\}}}


\bold{AS/atk/ness/objects/Makefile}


\example{\smaller{nessrun:  nessrun.o $\{NESSOBJS\} nessmark.o  nesssym.o 
  ../tokens/libtokens.a $\{LIBS\}

	$(RM) $@

	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) \italic{\bold{-Bstatic}} -o $@  nessrun.o $\{NESSOBJS\} 
nessmark.o  nesssym.o   ../tokens/libtokens.a $\{LIBS\}  -lm}}


\leftindent{
}}Everything ran fine after that.  It turns out that it's sufficient to link 
just \example{-lm}  statically, but I did some experimentation, and found that 
my typical desktop used about 900K \italic{less} memory if I linked all of the 
libraries  statically for \italic{runapp}!  I posted my experiences with this 
to \italic{\bold{info-andrew}} a couple of days ago;  I'll forward you a copy 
of that.


As for the problem with sh dumping core, I slashed my environment variables 
back to the bare (and I do mean bare) minimum before starting "make 
dependInstall".  I \italic{unsetenv} everything except \typewriter{USER}, 
\typewriter{HOME}, \typewriter{SHELL}, and then do \typewriter{set path=( 
/usr/ucb /usr/bin )}.  I have yet to see \italic{sh} dump core with this bare 
bones environment.  I've also found it helpful to do the build on a lightly 
loaded machine to prevent occasional failures of \italic{as} and 
\italic{ccom}.


\italic{Tom Crockett}


\smaller{\bold{ICASE}

Institute for Computer Applications in Science and Engineering


\smaller{M.S. 132C				e-mail:  tom@icase.edu

NASA Langley Research Center		phone:  (804) 864-2182

Hampton,  VA  23665-5225

} 
\smaller{ }}\smaller{ } 
                                                                       

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with insets. Rocky - Rakesh Patel@khn (5259+1)}




\quotation{There are some serious bugs with printing and insets... 

}
\quotation{When embedded rasters are incuded in a document, ezprint ends up

}\quotation{sticking `\\` at the end of each postscript command. That is a 
serious problem.

}
\quotation{
}
Well, it is not a problem of ezprint. It is a problem what pops up in newer 
versions of troff (As far as I've have seen, in ditroff release 2.0). This 
newer version of troff has a bug fix which cause this new one introduce a bug, 
the classical example of ``there is always one last bug''. For historical 
reasons ditroff has its own version of the stdio library. It has been decided 
that [fs]printf will always stick a backslash before non-printable characters, 
although this code actually never got executed in the original ditroff 
version. This bug is fixed and now another one pops up: accidently '\\n' is 
also considered non-printable.


The problem can easy be demonstrated with something along the line of:


troff

\\!this string will appear in the ouput with a backslash attached

\\!it shouldn't

.ex


There should now be some output with the two strings clearly visible and with 
a backslash before the CR following these strings.


If you have the source, it is easy to fix. Look at the file n1.c and look at 
the scaled down version of C library printf. You will see twice code in the 
style of:


	else if (c == 'c') \{

		c = *astr & 0377;

		if (c > 0177 || c < 040)

			putchar('\\\\');

		putchar(*astr & 0177);

	etc.


It is obvious that one should not print the backslash for certain chars < 040, 
so the code need to look along the lines of:


	else if (c == 'c') \{

		c = *astr & 0377;

		switch(c) \{

		    case '\\n':

		    case '\\t':

		    case '\\f':

		    case '\\b':

			putchar(c); break;

		    default:

			if (c > 0177 || c < 040)

			    putchar('\\\\');

			putchar(*astr & 0177);

		\}

	etc.



Note that I'm doing this from memory, so you mileage might vary how the code 
actually looks like. Of course, if you don't have the source yell to your 
supplier.


\quotation{The other problem is seen when embedding other insets into a zip 
object.

}
[Example deleted]


\quotation{This is a serious mess. I'm surprised no one has bothered to even 
mention

}\quotation{these problems or attempted to fix them.  Note that I have been 
happy

}\quotation{with the new release since the folks at CMU (and friends) have put 
considerable

}\quotation{effort in to de-CMUize the release. I just wish we could print the 
stuff now.  :-(

}
Yep, it is a serious mess. Printing is not ATK strongest point. It is of 
course difficult to put this infinite embedding of objects on paper. It is 
amazing how much does work and yes, I'm afraid embedding insets in zip looses 
when it gets printed.


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with Andrew on.. Tom Crockett@icase.edu (2599+0)}


\quotation{The [..] \bold{Makefile}s need to be edited manually to add a 
\typewriter{-Bstatic }option for linking:

}

Have you tried something of the form:


make dependInstall DEFINES=-Bstatic


I'm not absolutely positive that it works - but I believe the make variable 
'DEFINES' is included in CFLAGS, and hence you wouldn't need to edit the 
Makefiles.


If this is true - then either:

(a) the specific system.mcr file should be changed [here] to include -Bstatic 
as part of STD_DEFINES, or

(b) you should add the DEFINES=-Bstatic to your site's site.mcr


--fish

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[ Keith Gorlen sends a nicely detailed bug report... ]

On a SparcStation-1, I'd suggest building without AFS, using
`CCDEBUGFLAGS = -g' or `-O1' (the default on a SparcStation is -O2,
which is known to be broken), and statically linking `-lm' (a la Tom
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Subject: Re: AMS <-> resolver problems with compile
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 27-Feb-90 AMS <-> 
resolver problems w.. Timothy Hansell@cis.ohio (509)}


\quotation{All of the AMS source that uses the resolver wants to find the 
include as <resolv.h>. On my system the include is actully in <arpa/resolv.h>.}


I can think of 3 solutions - each one probably has weak and strong points:


(1) either get resolv.h installed along the "main" include path, or linked 
into it.

(2) change your configuration files so that the standard list of include paths 
(i.e. INCLUDES= or whatever it is) includes -I/...../apra

(3) have the offending code patched so that it get's ifdef'd - along the lines 
of:

	#ifdef SOME_SYSTEM_FLAG??

	#include <arpa/resolv.h>

	#else

	#include <resolv.h>

	#endif


As I said - all of these may have problems in any given environment - (1) 
involves changes to your system tree, (2) involves changes to your site.mcr 
file, (3) involves changes here, but once done other sites won't have to run 
into the same problem again -- if the situation is actaully "standard" for 
that system-type as opposed to caused by how your site installed the bind 
package.


--fish


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Vote-Choices: I just trusted and ran it.,  "I checked it quickly, then ran it.", "I checked it carefully, then ran it.", I checked it and didn't run it., I didn't run it at all because I fear Ness programs in my mail., *
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Vote-Request: ness-mail-query-vote, What did you do with my Ness - including message?
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Subject: Did you run it?

As I think I've mentioned in previous notes on these topics, I'm
currently doing research on an Active Mail language that will permit
some (but by no means all) of the neat things you can do with Ness but
will not have any of the security holes.  Given that this is what I'm
working on, I started to feel guilty after sending out my latest message
to the Andrew mailing lists -- am I contributing to making people run
Ness unthinkingly, by sending them these harmless Ness programs?  This
led me to the question you are now being asked to vote on.  What I'd
like to know is, how did you respond to my Ness programs?  Did you run
them?  Did you check them first?  Please tell the truth, I'd really like
to know something about the psychology of these things.  (I'm afraid I
would have been sorely tempted to run it without checking it myself!) 
Thanks for your participation.  -- Nathaniel

PS -- If you didn't run it because you don't have a SparcStation, please
don't bother voting -- that's not an answer I'll find terribly
interesting.  -- Nathaniel
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Subject: Getting stuck in ~/Mailbox?
Cc: wolf@howdy.att.com


I am at the end of my limited wisdom.  I have successfully built Andrew from
the X11R4 tape and applied some patches.  Everything seems to work except
the reading of messages.  I can post messages.  The mail gets placed into
/usr/spool/mail/<mylogin>.  However when I try to read my mail, "messages"
gets stuck!
It successfully copies the newly arrived mail from /usr/spool/mail
into ~/Mailbox but then never returns.
	"Looking for new mail in ~/Mailbox"
remains at the bottom of the "messages" window  and the cursor is stuck
in the "hour-glass" form.

Help!  Has anyone encountered this problem before?  I'm a rank amateur when
it comes to either Andrew or the mail delivery procedure.

Thanks in advance for ANY help,

Tom
(e-mail:  wolf@howdy.att.com	   or		twolf@homxa.att.com)


P.S.  I'm running on a Sun SparcStation-1 running SunOS4.03


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Subject: StringSize bug

Here's a bug that has always been in ATK since it first ran on X but that
I keep forgetting about.


fontdesc__StringSize(self, graphic, string, XWidth, YWidth)

When used with X, this method always returns a height (YWidth) of zero.
A better approximation would be to set the height to the maximum height
of a character in the font.

greg rogers
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Subject: letter-bomb with tm!

It is possible to embed a tm object in a message, with an attached
command.  When the message is read, the command will be executed. 
Luckily, it often seems to core-dump.

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Enclosure: ---- Enclosure ----
To: Steve Rohall <slr@thumper.bellcore.com>,
        Kurt Gluck <kurt@thumper.bellcore.com>,
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Subject: Time to get a new clock.

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attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
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menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
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menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
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attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
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Here is an \italic{\bold{incredibly cool}} Andrew/Ness/SPARC demo that will 
only work on a \bold{SparcStation One} (requires /dev/audio).  


\bigger{Instructions:  }


1.  When the "enclosure" dialog box comes up, store the enclosure in a file 
named\bold{ /tmp/clock.demo}, choosing the "\bold{Unformat it}" option if 
offered.


2.  Click on the Ness program, scroll to the end, "\bold{empower}" it by 
clicking on the "empower" button, and then select "\bold{Do Main}" from the 
"Ness" menu card.


3.  Say "\italic{Oh, wow!}"  out loud, and then delete the no-longer-needed 
/tmp/clock.demo file.

\begindata{ness,4189472}
\origin{01\\26 Feb 1990 at 12:30:58 EST\\nsb:  Nathaniel Borenstein,MRE 2A-274,4270,9938586,21462\\00}
\template{default}
\define{sans
menu:[Font,Sans]
attr:[FontFamily AndySans Int 0]}
function main()

	system("uudecode < /tmp/clock.demo > /dev/audio")

end function

\enddata{ness,4189472}
\view{nessview,4189472,65,0,121}


Incidentally, this took me about fifteen minutes to put together, and it 
wouldn't have taken that long except that I'd never written a Ness program 
before and needed to read a little documentation.  


Also incidentally, if you trusted me enough to run the Ness program without 
reading it, you are gullible and naive -- someone else could have easily 
forged this mail from me, and it could have deleted all your files.  My 
current research, incidentally, focuses on a language for sending things 
through the mail that will not trust you not to be so gullible.


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\italic{Member of Technical Staff,  Bell Communications Research}

\smaller{\smaller{Office: Bellcore Room MRE 2A-274, 445 South Street, 
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Home: 25 Washington Ave., Morristown, NJ 07960, (201) 993-8586}}


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It is critcal that this bug be fixed. I don't want to think about the kinds of 
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Susan, if possible, hold off on the current patch until we have a solution.


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It is possible to embed a tm object in a message, with an attached

command.  When the message is read, the command will be executed. 

Luckily, it often seems to core-dump.


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\quotation{It is possible to embed a tm object in a message, with an attached

}\quotation{command.  When the message is read, the command will be executed. 

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If this is true -- and I'm not sure how to reproduce it -- it is sufficiently 
serious that I think it should be patched, even if tm isn't a supported 
program.  This is aTrojan horse you could drive a truck through!  But how can 
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}}}
The recent post by Bill Janssen indicates a major security hole that calls for 
immediate action by all Andrew administrators.


The tm.do objects should be removed from all installed dlibs until such time 
as the following fix is made.


The fix is to remove the following lines from the  termulator__Read method in 
tm.c


    if(termulator_StartProcess(self,args)!=0)

	return dataobject_OBJECTCREATIONFAILED;


A patch to do this will be included in the soon-to-be released patch004. 
Meanwhile you should either fix tm by hand or remove tm.do entirely. 
Installing this patch will not affect the normal operation of termulator.


Sorry for the inconvenience. This is the kind of problem that contributed 
software in this system can lead to.


	Tom Neuendorffer

	Manager , ATK group, ITC/CMU

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(It's not a bug, it's a feature.)


I think the implementation is correct. I don't have the manual in front of me, 
but I think the values returned by

\quotation{fontdesc_StringSize(self, graphic, string, XWidth, YWidth)}

are supposed to be how much the current location moves in the XWidth distance 
and and YWidth distance if that string were imaged. Because most people use 
Latin alphabets that are horizontal, there is no vertical movement for imaging 
a string, hence YWidth of 0. I think you want the font height if you want to 
know how tall characters are.

		-Mark


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Perhaps you can help me.  I installed ATK4 from the X11 release tape and 
everything worked fine.  I applied patches 1 and 2 and things were still 
honky-dorry.  Then, I applied the latest patch (we're at 3 now, right?) and 
now \bold{Messages} doesn't recognize that our system uses the Name Resolver 
for mail address.


I have verified that NAME_RESOLVER in the ./config directory IS defined and 
never undefined.


Perhaps a clue:  before this problem arose, I discovered an error in the 
compile whereby the symbol dn_skip() came up undefined.  I back-tracked this 
problem to a file in the ./overhead/mail/lib directory whereby I needed to 
force DN_SKIP to be dn_skipname() rather than dn_skip().


Why I think the NAME_RESOLVER is the problem:  When I send a message to a 
foreign host, even one that ends in .edu, I must verify that that hosts 
exists.  I \italic{definitely} did not have to do this before.  Local hosts 
that I know are in our /etc/hosts file never cause problems.


Any ideas?  Can I give you more info?


   - Anthony

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From: Graham Dumpleton <munnari!otc.otca.oz.au!grahamd@uunet.UU.NET>
To: info-andrew@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Problem with posting to bulletin boards.

I have setup a private bulletin board in my account but I am having
problem when is comes to giving post permissions to particular folders.
The problems are that messages isn't recognising when it cannot post to
a bulletin board and is also not getting the address to send the item to
correct; ie. it doesn't seem to be getting the information out of the
.MS.DirectPost file.

I will explain everything I did; it may even help someone who wishes to
do something similar.

The main reason for creating a private bulletin board was to make all
the mail which I get from the Andrew mailing list readable to other
users at out site. So I followed the procedure detailed in the help
document 'privatebb', namely:

1.  Create a directory for the bboard

I called this .MESSAGES_PUBLIC and put it in my home directory.

2.  Add the directory to your mspath

Added mspath: $MAIL:~/.MESSAGES_PUBLIC

3.  Set the access rights for the directory

Didn't apply as we don't have AFS

4. Create the actual bboard folder

Did this and called it info-andrew

5.  Enable direct posting to the bboard

Didn't do this quite yet

6.  Let people know that you have created a new bboard

Mailed everyone with an invitation to subscribe

I now wanted to have any mail coming from the Andrew mailing list
automatically go into this folder so I created a .AMS.flames file
containing

(defun grahamd-mail-hook	(msg)
  (post-by-keyword
   msg
   "mail"
   '(
     (("to")("info-andrew")("/u/sysdev/grahamd/.MESSAGES_PUBLIC/info-andrew"))
     )))

(load "flib") ; The standard flames library

This all worked fine so I decided to go whole hog with the bulletin
board stuff and set it all up properly. This generally means having an
.AMS.flames file with something like the following:

(defun grahamd-mail-hook (msg)
  (process-mapped-mailbox
   msg
  "/u/sysdev/grahamd/.MESSAGES_PUBLIC/"
   "grahamd\\+"
   '("to" "cc" "resent-to" "resent-cc" "received" "x-bb")
   "mail"
   (ReplyAddr msg "s")
   "grahamd@otc"
   "Message rejected:  could not write to bboard"
  )
)
(load "flib")

Note that we don't have the Andrew delivery system running so
grahamd+info-andrew is not valid, instead we have to have
"grahamd+info-andrew" <grahamd> on the To: line.

The problem is that I couldn't work out how to make both this scripts
work together directly so I ended up with the following; if someone has
a better way then please tell me.

(defun grahamd-mail-hook (msg)
  (progn
   (cond
    ((a-pat-in-any-str "info-andrew" (getheadercontents msg "to"))
     (addheader msg "X-bb: grahamd+info-andrew"))
    (T NIL)
   )
   (process-mapped-mailbox 
    msg 
    "/u/sysdev/grahamd/.MESSAGES_PUBLIC/"
    "grahamd\\+"
    '("to" "cc" "resent-to" "resent-cc" "received" "x-bb")
    "mail" 
    (ReplyAddr msg "s")
    "grahamd@otc" 
    "Message rejected:  could not write to bboard"
    )
   )
  )

(load "flib") ; The standard flames library

This all worked fine, info-andrew mail went into the correct folder as
did anything which was sent to grahamd+*. I now went to set up
.MS.DirectPost files and I started getting problems.

I created a new folder called 'test' and placed in it an .MS.DirectPost
file containing the following:

0
"grahamd+*" <grahamd>

as described in the privatebb help file.  When I went to post something
though it did not get the address correct, it would put up To:
test@otc.otca.oz, I tried making the second line just "grahamd+test" and
it sill wouldn't work. I then tried other things such as putting some of
the 'post nopost createsub nocreatesub' options on the first line also
but couldn't make anything work. It just wouldn't get the address nor
would it stop me from posting to a bulletin board which I couldn't.

Does anyone have any ideas about what I have missed. I have up to patch
level 3 applied using Version 3 of Andrew.

Graham Dumpleton (grahamd@otc.otca.oz.au)
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This is a tough one.  My guess is that you have something mis-configured
in the site.mcr or site.h file.  I'd be particularly suspicious about
your use of the resolver (domain name) system.  It might help if you
post your site.h, site.mcr, and AndrewSetup (if you have one) file.  --
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I found that the bboard address insertion worked OK until I turned off all 
validation (we have odd-looking XNS addresses mixed in that just can't be 
validated).  Then I just get the name of the bboard on the \bold{To:} line 
when posting.


Incidentally, to turn off all posting, I put the following into 
$ANDREWDIR/etc/AndrewSetup:


\example{AMS_ValidateDestHosts:	No

AMS_PasswdValidation:	0

AMS_LocalDatabaseValidation:	0

}
Is there a better way?


By the way, is there any way to post a message on the bboard other than 
clicking on the symbol of the folder, thereby bringing up the `What do you 
want to do with `foo'' menu, and selecting `Post a message on it'?  It would 
be nice to have a menu command for posting.


Bill

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It turns out that I \italic{do} have the resolver turned ON.  Somehow, I 
seemed to have removed a line from the AndrewSetup file:

	AMS_ValidDomainSuffixes: .edu, .com, .bitnet

which supresses the warning message about hosts not existing if the host name 
had one of these suffixes.


I played with the test program that Craig suggested I compile and run.  It 
mostly gave me the results that a host was "indeterminate" which on the 
program's yes-maybe-no answer scale is a maybe.  I thought name resolution was 
more accurate than that, but I guess not.


For those interested in seeing the ouput from the \bold{valhost.test} program, 
here it is:


Test your favorite destination mail domain names.  One at a time, please.

domain: \bold{transarc.com}

Input: ``transarc.com''; output: ``'' (indeterminate)

domain: \bold{hinman}

Input: ``hinman''; output: ``'' (indeterminate)

domain: \bold{ecs.umass.edu}

Input: ``ecs.umass.edu''; output: ``umass.edu'' (indeterminate)

domain: \bold{dartmouth.edu}

Input: ``dartmouth.edu''; output: ``'' (indeterminate)

domain: \bold{andrew.cmu.edu}

Input: ``andrew.cmu.edu''; output: ``andrew.cmu.edu'' (good)

domain: \bold{northstar}

Input: ``northstar''; output: ``northstar.dartmouth.edu'' (good)

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Subject: AMS <-> resolver problems with compile
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In trying to compile AMS with the resolver library I ran
into the following problem

All of the AMS source that uses the resolver wants to find the
include as <resolv.h>. On my system the include is actully in
<arpa/resolv.h>. I get a makedepend error because of this one.
	Is there a fix or have I done something wrong ?

in my site.mcr file I have the line
	RESOLVELIB = /usr/lib/libresolv.a

Do I need something else ?

-- 
Tim Hansell
hansell@cis.ohio-state.edu
P.O. Box 687 South Charleston, Ohio, 45268

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\bold{tm} saves the command it runs in its sub-process.  When you 
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Thanks.  I fixed my ditroff, and now printing of rasters and zips works
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There are still a couple of problems that spring to mind with table and
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How can I add footers to my docs in ez???  Any help appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Gary Faulkner
National Center for Supercomputing Applications - University of Illinois
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Subject: Synchronized speaking clock

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\template{default}
\define{global

attr:[FontSize ConstantFontSize Point 12]}
\define{itemize
menu:[Region~4,Itemize~31]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{enumerate
menu:[Region~4,Enumerate~30]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]}
\define{programexample
menu:[Region~4,ProgramExample~13]
attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[Justification LeftJustified Point 0]
attr:[FontFace FixedFace Int Set]
attr:[FontFamily AndyType Int 0]}
\define{excerptedcaption

attr:[LeftMargin LeftMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[RightMargin RightMargin Inch 32768]
attr:[FontFace Bold Int Set]
attr:[FontFace Italic Int Set]}
\define{notetotypesetter
menu:[Region~4,NoteToTypesetter~61]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
\define{literal
menu:[Region~4,Literal~62]
attr:[Flags PassThru Int Set]}
If you use a SparcStation 1, you should Empower the Ness found below, and then 
run the clock animation.  First, however, you should make sure you trust the 
Ness program, as you don't really know that this is me sending the  mail to 
you, and naivete could be fatal. 

		\
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$T 30
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$F
$A 40,33 -1,76
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$S 112,26
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$A 40,33 -1,76
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$A 40,33 -1,76
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$F
$A 40,33 -1,76
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$S 112,26
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$F
$A 40,33 -1,76
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$F
$A 40,33 -1,76
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$S 112,26
12
$S 145,52
3
$S 116,81
6
$S 83,52
9
$V 121,48 132,56
$V 121,48 116,21
$$
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>OBJ< fad
>VIEW< fadview
>REF< fad
>LINK< ss
\enddata{cel,4778848}
\view{celview,4778848,67,174,110}

\begindata{cel,4906264}
\V 2
\begindata{ness,4758424}
\origin{01\\27 Feb 1990 at 16:47:51 EST\\nsb:  Nathaniel Borenstein,MRE 2A-274,4270,9938586,21462\\00}
\template{default}
\define{sans
menu:[Font,Sans]
attr:[FontFamily AndySans Int 0]}
extend "fad"

	on mouse "any"

		if mouseaction = mouseleftdown then

			main()

		end if

		dohit(currentinset, mouseaction, mousex, mousey)

	end mouse

end extend

function main()

	writefile("/tmp/speaktmp.xyzxyz", 

//

begin 0666 /dev/stdout

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	system("uudecode < /tmp/speaktmp.xyzxyz > /dev/audio & ");

	system("rm /tmp/speaktmp.xyzxyz");

	

end function

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By the way, I recommend the following preference for Ness sophisticates:


*.NessUseDialogBoxInsteadOfWarning: on


-- Nathaniel

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