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Currently the AUIS install rules depend on the source file and install.time 
-- no the destination file:


\smaller{#define InstallFileToFile(file, mode, destfile)				@@\\

install.time:: file							@@\\

	$(INSTALL) mode file destfile 

}
We propose making the rule depend upon destfile as well:


\smaller{#define InstallFileToFile(file, mode, destfile)				@@\\

install.time:: file destfile							@@\\

	$(INSTALL) mode file destfile 

}
The effect of this change will be that if the destination file has either 
changed or been removed, the source file will be reinstalled.


Does anyone know of a good reason that we should not make this change?


-Gary Keim

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Our nameservers don't know anything outside of att.com.
How can I get messages to stop trying to validate the host 
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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 2-Aug-93 address validation Chip 
Christian@allegra.a (182*)}


\quotation{Our nameservers don't know anything outside of att.com.

}\quotation{How can I get messages to stop trying to validate the host 

}\quotation{when I send mail?  I'm running andrew 5.1 on a sun4, 

}\quotation{sunos4.1.3.

}
From the \italic{setup} help topic:


\section{Address Validation}


\indent{The process of validating mail is site-dependent, and may be 
controlled by the following options.  There are two things that can be 
validated: names of remote hosts and local addresses.  When a user types a 
destination address and sends a message, the messageserver tries to 
"validate" the address to make sure that it is a valid mail address before 
handing it off to the delivery system.  This informs the user immediately 
of some common kinds of address errors. 

}\leftindent{
\bold{Remote Host Name Validation}


\italic{AMS_ValidateDestHosts: boolean

}\leftindent{Default: yes

"Yes" specifies that some form of hostname validation takes place.  "No" 
specifies that all forms of hostname validation are turned off.  If the 
value is set to "no," all other hostname validation options are irrelevant.}

}
Add the following to your site \typewriter{AndrewSetup} file:


AMS_ValidateDestHosts: no


-Gary Keim

Andrew Consortium

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I want to build menuentries which give a certain style to 
- a textportion if one is selected
- to the subsequently typed in text ("Current Insertion Style").
The first point is no problem.
With the second point I did not succeed yet.
You will probalbly ask me why I don't use the build in styles. (styeMenu
and Stylesheet in the textclass)
Answer: I cannot because we have some special stylesheet where some
styles have no meaning for ATK. As well the whole stylesheet changes
dynamically. So I get problems with the updating of the menus which
can't be controlled. For instance if you use the built in Stylesheet
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run everything works fine, all traceoutputs are ok - BUT the menucard is
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So I built up a menu of my own (where I had to recode many things
already there in other classes - which should not occur in a class
system) because menucards don't follow inheritance.

The only thing I didn't get around was the second point from above.
It should be possible to set a current insertion style like it can be
done in ez, when you choose a style without marking a region.
Unfortunaltely these "methods" are not only not inherited but even worse
are full of side effects, so I can't even port them to my code. Beside
that there are no comments and no documentation.

So has anybody some idea how I can code the second feature from above?

Thanks

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Excerpts from mail: 30-Jul-93 Re: hyplink patch Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.ed
(1428+0) 

> I have always wondered why we have both Quit and DeleteWindow;  it seems
> overly didactic and programmerly to insist that users distinguish
> processes from windows, even though the system does.  I propose to
> eliminate the difference and change "Quit" to "Quit Window".  There
> would then be no way to kill an application except to quit all its
> windows.  When Quitting the last window for a process, a dialog box
> appears asking if the user is happy with that.  (Sigh.  I suppose there
> must be a preference that retains the old behavior.) 

So, Dear Members, this leaves us with a question: how do we deal with this? 
Currently, the interface is not quite consistent: the raster toolbox and
figure toolbox have "Quit" menu options which really only delete the
toolbox windows. (My fault -- I wasn't thinking of consistency when I
wrote them.) 

This issue is complicated by the fact that one process may support (or
seem to support) different kinds of applications. A piece of mail may
contain a link which brings up a new buffer; should the buffer act as a
separate ez window, with its own Quit Window option, and possibly
outlive messages? 

Really, it should be possible to run new applications from an
already-running runapp, and have then act the same as if they were
starting from a fresh runapp. I have wanted to do this for a long time,
but there are deeply-buried annoyances which make it hard. 

Thoughts? (None of this would be implemented in the next release in any
case; any changes would be in the C++ version.) 

--Z 

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..." 
 
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I made this change a long time ago here.  I also added a new procedure that 
one could bind to "Kill" in their own init files, if they wanted to, which 
gave the old "Quit" behavior.


Everyone seemed to like it much better.


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from ext.andrew: 3-Aug-93 Windows vs. Processes 
"Andrew C. Plotkin"@andr (1713)}


\quotation{A piece of mail may

}\quotation{contain a link which brings up a new buffer; should the buffer act 
as a

}\quotation{separate ez window, with its own Quit Window option, and possibly

}\quotation{outlive messages? 

}
Yes.


Bill

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 7-Aug-93 "ez 
lite" ? Philip Brown@cats.ucsc.e (914)}


\quotation{So.. I would like to know if there is an "ez-lite" program or 
equivalent

}\quotation{somewhere. Or some method I don't know about that would let me 
compile

}\quotation{and install things using only 20 megs of disk. (ideally, the 
installed

}\quotation{thing would take LESS than 20 megs!!!)

}
Someting like an 
EZLite\footnote{\
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taste great, less filling\
\enddata{fnote,539900616}
\view{fnotev,539900616,18,0,0}} is in the works.  On the build front, you 
can shrink what's installed by #undef'ing these tokens in config/site.h:


#undef AMS_ENV

#undef METAMAIL_ENV

#undef CONTRIB_ENV

#undef MK_HELP

#undef MK_BASIC_INSETS

#undef MK_BLD_BLKS

#undef MK_TEXT_EXT


... and rebuilding into a clean destination directory.  If you do this, let 
me know the final size.


So, you bring over all 60 Meg of sources but you really only want a text 
editor.  What's a guy to do?  After running imake at the top-level of the 
sources, make all the Makefiles and remove everthing under the directories 
that you don't need:


% \bold{imake ...}

%\bold{ make Makefiles}

% \bold{foreach trashit (ams atkams contrib atk/help atk/ness atk/table 
atk/console atk/apt atk/bush atk/value atk/preview atk/org atk/eq 
atk/ezprint atk/chart atk/calc atk/toez)}

> \bold{echo ... trashing $trashit}

> \bold{rm -rf $trashit/*}

> \bold{echo depend world World Install dependInstall:: > $trashit/Makefile}

> \bold{cp $trashit/Makefile $trashit/Imakefile}

> \bold{end}


... then resume the build process.


-Gary Keim

Andrew Consortium

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I recently have run into a problem with v8.5 of Messages running on a 
HP700 system at HP-UX 9.0.

Everything was fine until about a week ago.  Now whenever I select
a message, I get a pop up dialog box that says:

	Could not mark message ## as 'seen'
		[Send automatic bug report]
		[	Continue	]

with a message in the footer area that says:
"Error: No locks available (in flock in OpenMSDirectory)"

All my files are on a Solbourne NFS file server.  I have no problems editing
my files on the HP host, so I don't think this is a kernel limit problem.

I also get a similar message when attempting to change my Setup Options.
Whenever I change some option, I get a popup box:

	Warning: could not rewrite your preferences file (-4, 46)
		[ Send auto... ]
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and a footer message:
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If I use 'vi ~/preferences' I don't have a problem modifying the file.

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\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-93 flock problems on HP-UX 
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\quotation{"Error: No locks available (in flock in OpenMSDirectory)"

}
\quotation{All my files are on a Solbourne NFS file server.  I have no 
problems editing

}\quotation{my files on the HP host, so I don't think this is a kernel 
limit problem.

}

Messages is trying to lock a particular file that it's accessing via NFS. 
 It isn't being granted the lock.  Could be a problem on the NFS server. 
 Are there any other messages users whose files are also on the same NFS 
server?  If so, are they experiencing this problem?


\excerptedcaption{Excerpts from misc: 18-Aug-93 flock problems on HP-UX 
and.. Kris Olander@porter.ncd. (974*)}


\quotation{"Error 46 (No locks available) "may" have been encountered 
internally."

}

On my Snake, errno 46 is "System record lock table was full."  The lock 
table is guaranteed to have at least 50 slots and is managed by the lockd. 
 I'm not sure if it's the local or remote lock table that's full.  That's 
why I asked the above question.  I know this is harsh but, if you reboot 
the Snake, does the problem go away?


-Gary keim

Andrew Consortium

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I tried to install Andrew software and got the following error message:

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elc% cd /usr/local/contrib/lib/andrew
elc% xmkmf -a
mv Makefile Makefile.bak
imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11/config
make Makefiles
make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 314: Unexpected end of line seen
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Have any clue what I might have done wrong??  
Thank you in advance!!

charlie

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This is purely a guess, but certain platforms (eg, the RS6000, I think) 
complain as you've described when tabs are used in imake configuration files. 
 If you've used tabs in site.h or site.mcr, you might try replacing them with 
spaces.


-Bob


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Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 30-Aug-93 Installation
Problem?? a00chc00@nchc.edu.tw (534) 

> elc% cd /usr/local/contrib/lib/andrew 
> elc% xmkmf -a 
> mv Makefile Makefile.bak 
> imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/local/X11R5/lib/X11/config 
> make Makefiles 
> make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 314: Unexpected end of line seen 


Please read at least the Quick Start instructions in the README.  ATK
does not use the X imake configuration files  (hence xmkmf doesn't
generate a working imakefile). 

-Rob Ryan 
Andrew Consortium 
 
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