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From: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: Transliteration [was: Re: Pinyin
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In article <19970110053700.AAA03208@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Feiscreen <feiscreen@aol.com> wrote:
> whuang@ugcs.caltech.edu (Wei-Hwa Huang) writes:
>
>> Personally, I feel more resentful of the term "Mandarin."  Probably
>>because I have yet to remove the conditioning an education in Taiwan
>>gave me (The Manchus were a decadent group of leaders which were
>>responsible for the near-fall of China to Europe).
>
>   Would history have been different had some "incorruptible" Han
>   aristocrats been in charge? I very much doubt it.  In any case,
>Mandarin
>   wasn't the Manchus' native language.

Which Manchus?  What you say is true of those who founded the Qing, but Pu
Yi didn't speak a word of Manchu.  I don't think anyone in his court did.

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