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Subject: Re^2: EuroLang: I was wrong
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 23:00:00 +0000
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*philip* meinte im Brett /SOC/CULTURE/ESPERANTO
am        : *11.04.95* um *15:25*
zum Thema : *Re: EuroLang: I was wrong*
Probably you were very wrong.

p>> I think EuroLang is an improvement over Esperanto in several ways.
p>> (Not that I'm suggesting we all forget Esperanto now and suddenly
p>> convert to every new and improved notion of it. That's not my
No, so why are you writing the things you are writing?

p>> rejects the longstanding male-centricism in language, EuroLang is a
There already exists a plan-language for women from women, LAADAN !
You should write some praise hymns on it, according to your love of
equality in language. Maybe you could even make us believe that actually  
your wife created Eu-lang, and you are only promoting it.

p>> definite step up, since nouns are gender-neutral until you add a
p>> masculine or feminine suffix.

p>> plurality. They could simply use the numberless form.) Anyway, words
p>> like 'patrino' and 'fratino' which are masculine nouns made feminine
p>> by the addition of the suffix 'in' seem somehow less than accomodating
p>> to females - especially since that glaring masculine-looking 'o' is

Oh, so you are a transgender, as you know so well about how women feel  
about the "in" suffix!

p>> engrossed in a particular activity, happiness and sadness don't apply.
p>> Therefore, one ought to be able to express this. With EuroLang, you
p>> can!
So you should first use E-o properly in order to judge whether you cannot  
express something in E-o which you can express in Eurolang-bang-bang-bang.

p>Certainly the correlative table is regular, but I think it is a pity
p>Zamenhof didn't use the same regularities as the rest of the language.
I think you are telling a big lie. :-(  You are quite glad that you can  
criticize E-o and promote your new language.

p>>  Well, I've said my piece. In summary, then, I find the following
p>> innovations to be great improvements on Esperanto:
You should try and make some great improvements on the lack of great  
meetings, rock music, theater, radio broadcastings, books that are not  
allowed to be translated out of your language, a worldwide organisation  
like the UEA, and a book with 902 adresses in 72 countries where you can  
go on a holiday for free, and especially, you should make a great  
improvement on the fact that you are writing in English to Esperanto  
speakers.

I simply cannot let this crap here without answering it. Sorry!
Actually I am not sorry, as I was patient with E-lang-bang-bang in the  
beginning, but now, you are telling lies about E-o in order to make your E- 
lang-bang-bang look good compared to Esperanto!

p>> 1] words can end in any vowel, ie. nouns aren't restricted to 'o' nor
p>> are adjectives restricted to 'i'
p>      ^^^^^^^^^^
p>I think you meant verbs here.
p>
p>> 3] Gender-free nouns remove a large percentage of sexism from
p>> communication.
You should better remove a larger percentage of sexism by getting your  
wife or daughter in front of this computer and let her write a message to  
us. I am really sick of men who speak in the name of women!!!

There were enough of them, untill now in history.

And I bet your affiliation to feminism is only due to the fact that you  
want to promote your new language.

p>> 4] Differentiation between "oppositeness" and negation in nominal or
p>> adjectival prefixes. (I haven't checked, but I assume these work for
p>> verbs and other non-nominals as well.)
p>
p>Yes, in principle they do, but there is less application for opposites
p>of verbs: what's the opposite of 'see'?

Do you know the word "malvizagho" en Esperanto?

p>Phil Hunt....philip@storcomp.demon.co.uk

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