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From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: Re: Pronouncing your name in another language
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 23:34:36 GMT
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In article <3faend$ck7@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Marek1@ix.netcom.com (Marek Konski) writes:

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>Tacitus in his "The Germania" alleges that this [German] was the 
> older name of 
>the Tungri, the first Germanic tribe which crossed the Rhine and settled 
>in Gallic territory. According to his account they said that the other 
>people beyond the Rhine bore the same name, to frighten the Gauls. He 
>says also that later all Germans adopted this name and called 
>_themselves_ by it.

However, there is no evidence for this from the Germanic languages 
themselves
>
>Allemagne from Allamann (Alla + Man -- all people) the generic name for 
>the Suebian tribes inhabiting south German territories. This area was 
>called Allemania (or Allamania) in the times of the Carolingian Empire. 

Actually, 'ala' + 'mann'.  The double-l is a French innovation.  The
source for the adjective 'allemand' is MHG 'alemant'.

>Lengyel, Lengyelorszag -- a Pole and Poland in Hungarian.
>Ledanin -- a Pole in Lithuanian.
>Lach -- a Pole in Ukrainian
>Lechistan -- Poland in Turkish

What is the source of these names?

>Wloch, Wlochy -- an Italian, Italy in Polish

Is this from the same root, originally meaning "foreign," that
gives German 'welsch' (originally applied to all Romance-speakers,
now generally limited to French-speakers in Switzerland) and 
English 'Welsh' (referring to the Cymric-speaking inhabitants of
Wales)?  The older designation for "Rumanian," 'Vlach,' is believed
to have the same origin.
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