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From: boyle@netcom.com (Joseph Boyle)
Subject: Re: What are Scythians?
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rsavage@netcom.com (Rick Savage) writes:
>Joseph Boyle (boyle@netcom.com) wrote:
>: The Scythians lived on the steppes of present-day Ukraine and neighboring 
>: lands. Linguists agree they spoke an Iranian language, not a Germanic one.
>    Which lingquists?  When did they speak an Iranian language?  In which 
>time periods are we speaking of?  This is easy to say these things 
>without any supporting references or a time reference.

OK, from the 1979 Encyclopedia Brittanica article on "Scythians":

The Scythians were a people who during the 8th-7th centuries BC moved 
from Central Asia to southern Russia, where they founded an empire that 
survived until they were gradually overcome and supplanted by the 
Sarmatians during the 4th century BC -- 2nd century AD. ...

The excavations ... proved that the culture, art, and way of life of the
tribesmen who continued to live in western Siberia and the Altai when the
bulk of the Scythians marched into Iran and southern Russia remained
closely akin to that of the migrants, the entire community being of
Iranian origin and sharing a common language. 

... but it was not until the Chinese ruler Hsuan Wang (827-781 BC) 
decided to send an armed force to curb the fierce Hsiung-nu, who had 
begun to make a practice of raiding China's western boundaries, that the 
Scythian nomads became restless. When the Hsiung-nu were forced back from 
the Chinese frontier and, in retreating, dislodged the Massagetae, who 
occupied the grazing grounds to the north of the Oxus (Amu Darya) River, 
and when the latter in their turn assaulted their immediate neighbours, 
the Scythians, a wide-scale nomadic migration was set in motion.

... when they eventually advanced westward over the Oxus they moved so 
fast that both Herodotus and contemporary Persian sources refer to the 
remarkable suddenness of their appearance on Iran's northeastern border. 
Their advance brought the Scythians into fierce conflict with the 
Cimmerians who had for centuries enjoyed possession of the Caucasus and 
the plain lying to the north of the Black Sea. ...

Meanwhile another Scythian force chased the reast of the Cimmerian Army 
across Urartu (Armenia), while a third entered the Derbent defile and 
reached Lake Urmia some time during the reign of King Sargon of Assyria 
(722-705 BC), linking up there with the second contingent to continue the 
fight against the Cimmerians. Thus strengthened, the Scythian troops were 
able to force the Cimmerians into a steady retreat that lasted for about 
30 years, ending only when both combatants had reached the borders of 
Assyria.

This astonishing series of victories brought great fame to the Scythians. 
Ther chieftain Partatua and his son Madyes were quick to take advangage 
of it by setting themselves up as rulers of west Persian lands stretching 
to the Halys (Kizil Irmak) River ... They invaded Syria and Judaea c. 625 
BC. ...

Meanwhile the Medes had become masters of Persia. ... Their better 
disciplined troops eventually contrived to push the Scythians northward, 
whence they had first appeared.

>      Wrong again.  Where do you get these ideas?  The Germans and Celts 
>were the more civilized cultures my friend and they came from the south 
>to the north.  These people migrated north long before the Romans became 
>any sort of "power".

>      Again, the Sythians sired the Germanic peoples.

>     The Germanic tribes include several groups (Angles, Balts, Brits, Celts,
>Cimmerians, Danes, Franks, Frisians, Gaels, Goths, Jutes, Letts, Lombards,
>Normans, Rus, Saxons, Scots, Scythians, Swedes, Vandals, Walloons, etc.)
>When we talk about the Anglo-Saxon, Indo-German, Indo-Aryan or any other
>European-descended people we are refering to the white race.  It should be
>noted that the 'Germans' are but one of the many branches of the 'Germanic'
>peoples.  The Germanic peoples existed for at least 1000 years before the
>Germans and spread out over all of Europe.
>     The word "German"  comes from the Latin 'Germ nus' which means "Genuine"
>or "authentic" in relation to a family or klan of people.  The peoples 
>living in the land known as Germany today during the Roman Empire were 
>known as Scythians to the Romans.  As their numbers grew and they spread 
>abroad the Romans began to call the Sythians in the Germanic lands the 
>"Genuine Scythians", hence the word "German".  
>      So who were the Scythians?  The Scythians were first mentioned in 
>history around 681-699 B.C. in Assyrian tablets found in Ninevah (now in 
>the British museum).  At this time the Scythians were located among the 
>Medes.



>     We could go on and on.  We could talk about the Germanic languages 
>and their origins from the ancient Hebrew.   

That should be fun to hear about!

>Biblography
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>Tracing Our White Ancestors, by Haberman
>God's Covenant People - Yesterday, Today and Forever, by Ted Weiland
>Origins of Race and Civilization, by Charles Weisman
>Your Inheritance: Best Kept Secret in the World, by Robert Allen
>Our Scythian Ancestors, W.E. Filmer
>Racial Elements of European History, by Dr. Hans Gunther
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