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From: jqb@netcom.com (Jim Balter)
Subject: Re: Penrose Argument Caveats (was Re: Penrose and human math
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In article <3vqgdi$jt7@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Matthew P Wiener <weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu> wrote:
>In article <3vp91q$avp@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, axs@cs (Aaron Sloman) writes:
>>weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>>> So why do AI people bother to even react to Penrose's book?  If he isn't
>>> talking about what they do, what do they care?
>
>>You know the answer very well: because of his stature he is capable
>>of influencing funding agencies, potential students (and their
>>parents). I.e. he is a potential serious threat to anything that he
>>attacks, coherently or otherwise.
>
>Awww.  What goes around, comes around.

I now see the real difference between you and Tal Kubo: he only recognizes
odd-numbered instances of the same proposition as true, while you only
recognize even-numbered instances as true.

Regardless of what has gone around or not, you asked a question and got an
answer.  The validity of the answer does not depend upon the truth of some
innuendo regarding past behavior of "AI people".

_The Elders of Zion_ didn't talk about what it's subjects actually do, yet
they had plenty of reason to care.  Why does propaganda matter, if it isn't
true?  We all know how *you* would characterize such a question.
-- 
<J Q B>

