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From: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton)
Subject: Re: Penrose and Searle (was Re: Roger Penrose's fixed ideas)
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In article <Czzrvs.A1u@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> pindor@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor) writes:
>In article <3b5d05$d2o@news-rocq.inria.fr>,
>Mikal Ziane (Univ. Paris 5 and INRIA)  <ziane@monica.inria.fr> wrote:
>......
>>
>>My point was precisely that I do not think TT is a very good definition
>>of intelligence and I think that this is what CR suggests albeit clumsily.
>
>It probably is not, but Turing thought that it was the best we could do and 
>not much chaged since then. Or perhaps you have a better definition?
>I can't see how CR suggests anything of the sorts. In fact, being methodolo-
>gically wrong, it does not suggest anything.

Andrzej -- can I tell Ozan Yigit that you defend the TT?  From this,
but more from other articles, it seems to me that you do.

I used to think the TT was right, BTW.  I even wrote a paper defending
it when I was a student.  Although I think Searle's arguments are
flawed, I nonetheless find that they help suggest that the TT is
flawed as well.  If you want to show that "the system understands",
you need more than "it passes the TT, therefore it understands".

It may be that we will eventually establish that the TT is a
reliable test.  But that's not the only possible outcome.

-- jeff


