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From: zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Subject: Re: Penrose's new book
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In article <38c0uo$qq1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> 
mh10006@cl.cam.ac.uk (Mark Humphrys) writes:

>zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>>>>mh10006@cl.cam.ac.uk (Mark Humphrys) writes:

>>>>>Does Penrose deal with genetic algorithms, reinforcement learning,
>>>>>behavior-based AI, etc. in his new book?

>>>>Yes.

><no elaboration>

>>>Read Holland or Goldberg on genetic algorithms, Koza on genetic
>>>programming, and maybe Langton on artificial life.
>>>Then re-read Penrose on 'NATURAL SELECTION OF ALGORITHMS?'.
>>>Embarrassing, isn't it?

>>Not at all. 

><no elaboration>

>Your answers follow a pattern. You are clearly not interested in finding
>out about this AI that you are criticising.

As it happens, I have some professional background in this AI that I
am criticizing.

>I'm not going to defend the symbolic camp, but I will recommend
>that you read about GAs, GP and RL.

I did enough of that some time ago.  Now what?

>You will lose your medieval view of what a machine is.

The long and short of it is that a machine is something that can be
modeled with mathematics.  By all means get back to me if and when
you figure out a way to get around this point.

>It's up to you.

Indeed.

>Bye
>
>Mark Humphrys
>Computer Laboratory
>University of Cambridge

cordially,                                                    don't
mikhail zeleny@math.ucla.edu                                  tread
writing from the disneyland of formal philosophy                 on
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."      me
