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From: dl8x@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dirk  Lind)
Subject: Re: Time is a human concept (was Re: Reality as a Hologram (Was Re: Discriminative Wisdom))
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jhgreve@epx.cis.umn.edu  writes:
> In article <dougt-131094120404@obiwan.ccsm.uiuc.edu>,
> Doug Turnbull <dougt@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> 
> concept of time
> concept of red
> concept of pitch
> concept of hunger
> -----------------
> perceptions
> 
> >> In fact everything we know about the universe does NOT point
> >> anywhere near the concept that time and/or the universe exist
> >> in a linear sense only. Perhaps in high school science class...
> 
> fine - whats an example that needs nonlinear time to explain it?
> >...deleted very cogent summary of entropy...
> >       So, the universe also never returns to a previous state. Hence, any
> >moment can be distinguished from any previous moment, if you know enough
> >about both of them. Certainly, there can be local, apparently cyclical
> >processes, for example, the Earth rotating around the sun.
> ...etc...
> >interesting, but I don't think such processes justify a leap to the
> >assertion that time itself is cyclical.
> yes! and, current estimates are that the earth has gone around the sun about
> 4.5 billion times... not the _same_ circuit, not just once.
> but _that_many_times_.
> 
> besides: if time _was_ cyclical r.e. earth's orbit, we would be able to buy
> a single calender and just reuse it because every year would be the same...

I think you are misunderstanding my implication of linear and
non-linear, or cyclical. I think you are putting this idea of
cycles into a linear framework...:)
Cylclical time does not have so much to do with physical
phenomenon, like the orbit of the sun, etc. Time is not
circular across a linear pathway. In other words, I do not
imply that tomorrow will repeat today, or that anything repeats
itself exactly. Cyclical time, and the ideas surrounding it,
are connected more to the presence of ryhthms, or patterns in
the phenominal. Woops. I gotta go. I'll try and continue this
later. Sorry for the incomplete post! 

> 
> *deep breath*
> *sigh*
> .serious_mode := off;
> 
> 
> anyway, your point about multiple newsgroups is right...
> who started this thread, anyway?
> and do you suppose it is doomed to repeat the same nonsense over and
> over again because time might be cyclical? :-)
> oh my god - what if this is the thousandth time i've made this posting?
> 
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> 	talk.religion.newage
> 
> linear time, cyclical time.
> right.
> maybe i should have asked for a definition of linear :-)
> 
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