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From: jhgreve@epx.cis.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Time is a human concept (was Re: Reality as a Hologram (Was Re: Discriminative Wisdom))
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 05:37:27 GMT
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In article <dougt-131094120404@obiwan.ccsm.uiuc.edu>,
Doug Turnbull <dougt@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>In article <CxMFAq.FKn@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
>dl8x@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dirk  Lind) wrote:
>
>> Let's look together at this idea of linear and cyclical. No,
>> one is not necessarily "deeper" or "closer to reality." If we
>> are relating this thread to the idea that time is or is not a
>> human concept (rather, a biological concept?), I was trying to
>> demonstrate that time is indeed a concept, as it were. 

concept of time
concept of red
concept of pitch
concept of hunger
-----------------
perceptions

>> In fact everything we know about the universe does NOT point
>> anywhere near the concept that time and/or the universe exist
>> in a linear sense only. Perhaps in high school science class...

fine - whats an example that needs nonlinear time to explain it?
>...deleted very cogent summary of entropy...
>       So, the universe also never returns to a previous state. Hence, any
>moment can be distinguished from any previous moment, if you know enough
>about both of them. Certainly, there can be local, apparently cyclical
>processes, for example, the Earth rotating around the sun.
...etc...
>interesting, but I don't think such processes justify a leap to the
>assertion that time itself is cyclical.
yes! and, current estimates are that the earth has gone around the sun about
4.5 billion times... not the _same_ circuit, not just once.
but _that_many_times_.

besides: if time _was_ cyclical r.e. earth's orbit, we would be able to buy
a single calender and just reuse it because every year would be the same...

*deep breath*
*sigh*
.serious_mode := off;


anyway, your point about multiple newsgroups is right...
who started this thread, anyway?
and do you suppose it is doomed to repeat the same nonsense over and
over again because time might be cyclical? :-)
oh my god - what if this is the thousandth time i've made this posting?

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	talk.religion.newage

linear time, cyclical time.
right.
maybe i should have asked for a definition of linear :-)

