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>From: zirdum@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Antun Zirdum)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Mean thoughts on what meaning means
Message-ID: <1992May21.054451.19341@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Date: 21 May 92 05:44:51 GMT
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In article <1992May18.184800.13049@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>>It seems to me that a dictionary lookup intelligence
>>will not be able to refer to much except words, but
>>that does not mean that it cannot refer to ANYTHING.
>
>The "reference" you've got here is terribly impoverished, if all it can 
>do is refer to things that refer...
>
Just as a person without senses could not refer to
anything but symbols they already know.

>>>notion of what the symbols *really* mean.  Under the demand for
>>>transducer grounding, SHRDLU can have no semantics.
>>>
>>SHRDLU is actually two systems, one is the reality, the
>>other is the intelligence. The SHRDLU intelligence
>>is connected to the outside world by the computer
>>controls of its operators, thru the simulated reality.
>
>But it's *not* connected to the outside world - *all* of its world is
>*inside* the computer.  In addition, I'm not so sure that it is easy
>to make a principled distinction in this case of what is the intelligence,
>and what is the entity.  What criteria are you using?
>
But it is connected to the outside world, or how would
we know anything about its world? Since we (the outside)
can also manipulate its world, it is connected. The
virtual world is distinguished from SHRDLU itself using
the same human criteria, we decide! (decide most likely
on the bases of what we see on the computer as the
virtual world, and what we see as SHRDLU)
>- michael
>


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