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>From: zirdum@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Antun Zirdum)
Subject: Re: Grounding: Real vs. Virtual (formerly "on meaning")
Message-ID: <1992May21.060347.20455@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Keywords: symbol, analog, Turing Test, robotics
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
References: <1992May19.003821.9450@Princeton.EDU>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 06:03:47 GMT
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In article <1992May19.003821.9450@Princeton.EDU> harnad@shine.Princeton.EDU (Stevan Harnad) writes:
>In article <1992May18.200313.23575@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>
>>it seems to me
>>that your position is subject to what can be termed "SHRDLU's Dilemma".
>
>
>A computer simulation of an analog object or state is not the same
>as that object/state despite the fact that it is computationally
>equivalent to it: A simulated plane does not really fly, a simulated
>furnace does not really burn, there is no real motion in a simulated
>solar system; by the same token, there is no real thinking in a 
>simulated nervous system. Computational equivalence is not the same
>as identity.
>
A simulated computation computes, a simulated thought...
	I believe that a fundamental mistake is being
commited by both Searle and you here. There is no reason
to group thought in the set of real objects.
(I would really like to talk about this but this will be
my last day of posting for a few months, I am moving - 
but please continue to post replies as I will still get
them sent to me)
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