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>From: zeleny@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Robotic Follies
Message-ID: <1992Feb26.195930.9202@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: 27 Feb 92 00:59:24 GMT
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In article <92Feb26.124420edt.287@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> 
oz@cs.toronto.edu (Ozan Yigit) writes:

>zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny), in his response to
>minsky, *edits* a part of the posting minsky has included in his
>response, and accuses Minsky of censorship:

Is this the best pro-AI argument you can make?

>>In article <1992Feb25.210336.5676@news.media.mit.edu>
>>minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) writes:

>>>In article <1992Feb25.003248.10765@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>>>vishal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Vishal I. Sikka) writes:

>>>>In article <1992Feb21.192207.9035@husc3.harvard.edu>
>>>>zeleny@boucher.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>>>>[Censored by Minsky]

OY:
>No, you obnoxious fool, Minsky censored nothing. It was Vishal [1] who
>elided part of your ramblings, and marked it ".... Stuff Deleted" which
>you have changed to "Censored by Minsky".

Indeed this is so. I retract my claim.

OY:
>					    Alas, once again your blind
>hostility gets the best of you, and further erodes whatever little
>credibility you may have left.

Whatever little credibility I may have is in no way eroded by your
postings, since you never bothered to include a substantive criticism of my
views in-between various dull attempts at personal attack.  Nor has Minsky.

MZ:
>>>>>left as an exercise for the reader.  (Hint: one point of difference is that
>>>>>Minsky's ass is long dead, but he still keeps asking the NSF for more money!

MM:
>>>I don't read messages from the above, but the text quoted in Sikka's
>>>message appears to suggest that Zeleny believes I ask NSF for money.

MZ:
>>Don't answer messages that you haven't read.

MM:
>>>Not true.  Many years ago, Papert's project had some NSF support, and
>>>I contributed some time (w/o reimbursement) to that, but otherwise
>>>I've never asked them for anything.

MZ:
>>It's not you that did the asking, but your talking ass.

MM:
>>>I hope others will ask Zeleny to cease his obsessive and ill-informed
>>>accusations.

And here's a good example.  Minsky, who has loudly proclaimed that he keeps
me in his Kill file, has hypocritically chosen to respond to a fragment of
my message taken out of context by another poster, refuting a claim that I
never made.

Is anyone in here going to claim that a substantial part of the failed
natural language understanding research was *not* funded by the NSF?

MZ:
>>Hope springs eternal, Professor...

OY:
>Oh, do grow up.

If you don't have anything to say, don't say it.

>oz
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>[1] Article ref  <1992Feb25.003248.10765@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

A complete collection of Mr Yigit's vacuous maledicta will be made
available on request.

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