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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
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Subject: Re: jibing, dedekind cuts, and "noumenalia"
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Date: 7 Feb 92 05:04:48 GMT
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In article <1992Feb6.142732.28115@uwm.edu> 
hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

>From article <1992Feb5.154626.8512@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
>by zeleny@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny):

MZ
>> You are absolutely right, Mark: I was thinking of G\"odel's assertion that
>> "despite their remoteness from sense experience, we do have something like
>> a perception also of the objects of set theory, as is seen from the fact
>> that the axioms force themselves upon us as being true".  `Noumenal
>> apprehension' is, of course, the correct term to use for designating this
>> faculty; `noumenal intuition' would do for an anti-Kantian.
>[...]

MZ
>> In fact, I wasn't pulling anyone's leg any more than is my wont, --if you
>> wish to follow Kant in rejecting the very possibility of our having a
>> perception-like noumenal faculty, I certainly won't stand in your way;
>> however, in this matter my sympathies lie with the views of Plato, Russell,
>> and G\"odel.

MP:
>Hmm.  It is possible I'm just being picky, but intuition is not the same as
>apprehension, and noumena are not Platonic Forms.

What is intuition, as distinct from direct apprehension of the self and
other universals?  Like I said, this terminology is clearly anti-Kantian;
similarly, eidos is the proper object of nous, isn't it?

>hiho
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