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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
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Subject: Re: Robotic Follies (was re: Strong AI and Panpsy
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Date: 5 Feb 92 13:36:34 GMT
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In article <OZ.92Feb4111913@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> 
oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:

>In-Reply-To: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu's 
>message of 2 Feb 92 22: 30:13 GMT

>   In article <OZ.92Feb2130854@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> 
>   oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:

OY:
>   >Summarize Church's latest theory instead of merely dropping his name,
>   >and show why this theory should be taken more seriously than any other
>   >possible theory advanced by, say Minsky. While you are at it, make sure
>   >to summarize those other philosophers' views as well, and do spare us
>   >more of your pedantic appeals to authority by name dropping and proof
>   >by vituperative rambling.

MZ:
>   Had you been capable of finding your ass without a flashlight, you might
>   have been able to look things up, thankful that you had been given a
>   reference;

OY:
>Your nastiness fails to impress me, much like your pretentious name
>dropping and pseudo-philosophical gossip you substitute for a meaningful
>discussion fails. So far as Church references go, my decision to look up
>or ignore any reference has no bearing whatsoever on your predicament;
>If you indeed have sufficient enough an understanding of those references
>contained in your tirades to construct a meaningful argument or a summary
>thereof, instead of a regurgitation of slogans, you are invited to do so.
>I will assume that you may even be able to add some substance to your
>attack on Minsky, given enough time. Feel free to use a flashlight.
>
>You are of course welcome to ignore this invitation, at the expense of
>having your further dismissals recognized once again as utter flatus
>vocis[1], if nothing worse. 

No Thanks, Mr Y: my articles are not written for mostpeople, but only for
those capable of understanding.  You and your ilk have less in common with
the latter than the squarerootofminusone; consequently your invitations,
like your limitations, concern me not in the least.  Feel free to sink back
into the latest and closest approximation to singular prenatal passivity
which Artificial Intelligence, in its finite but unbounded wisdom, has
successfully impressed on your robotic mind.

On the other hand, those members of the esteemed audience who haven't been
handicapped by the curse of Mr Y's ossified wits, will find their clues below.

MZ:
>          ... but then, were your cognitive faculties operating at more than
>   their present pilot light capability, you might have realized in a dazzling
>   paroxysm of spontaneous recollection that I have been presenting and
>   discussing Churchian semantics for the past three months.

OY:
>You will be pleased to learn that the last three months' worth of
>zelenyana that consists mostly of sophism covered in pedantic verbiage,
>ad-hominem attacks, and incoherent argumentation is captured as a part of
>a complete archive of comp.ai.philosophy between Nov. 19 and Feb 1. Amongst
>other interesting discussions, this archive also contains your tour-de-farce
>attack on Dennett, which arguably has about the same intellectual weight
>as a random selection of graffiti from a public washroom.
>
>I will make the archive available through ftp for interested parties
>as soon as some free disk space can be found for it.

Interested parties will be in articles:

<1991Nov10.004631.5292@husc3.harvard.edu>  
<1991Nov22.154821.5774@husc3.harvard.edu>  
<1991Nov27.115032.5957@husc3.harvard.edu>
<1991Dec20.134023.6825@husc3.harvard.edu>
<1991Dec21.015234.6837@husc3.harvard.edu>    

A selection of my expository writings on Churchian semantics will be
reposted on request.

MZ:
>							...  As the matter
>   stands, you are too dull to even understand that Minsky's sorry excuse for
>   a polemical stance consists not in advancing any possible theory of belief
>   semantics, but in rejecting on alleged a priori grounds of the very
>   possibility thereof.

OY:
>The issue at hand is not whether I misunderstand Minsky, but whether you
>understand him at all; His position may indeed resolve into a theory or a
>metatheory of belief attribution, given rational discussion, but you seem
>quite incapable of providing anything more than contemptuous rhetoric and
>vigorous appeals to Church and those "other philosophers". That, I think,
>is "dull".

Mr Y, you must have mistaken me for someone who concerns himself with what
you think.  Your excursion into maledicta may be amusing to a grade school
audience; however you lack the verve needed to compete with true masters of
this art.  

MZ:
>			...  So long, halfwit.

OY:
>So long? Why, are you finally leaving us for a well-deserved rest in
>your local asylum? Do write to us, when you get a chance. :-)

You and your tapeworm are always invited to this performance; perchance
your next challenge will meet with more success.

>oz
>---
>[1] flatus vocis: mouthfart for those unaccustomed to zelenyana.

May a deviant demiurge predicate your pulsating promontories with his
plenipotentiary peacemaker.  Sayonara, turkey.

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