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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,sci.philosophy.tech
Subject: Re: jibing, dedekind cuts, and "noumenalia"
Message-ID: <1992Feb5.005652.8488@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: 5 Feb 92 05:56:51 GMT
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In article <kou7j3INNaqa@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> 
silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes:

>In article <1992Feb4.163434.8471@husc3.harvard.edu> 
>zeleny@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

BB:
> What are your sources of knowledge besides experience and introspection?

MZ:
> Noumenal perception of the universals.

ES:
> Having dispensed with not only the reduction of thought and reference,
> but also with even a tangible approach to thought and reference, it would seem
> that MZ has proved an anti-cogito and left us confined within a domain
> populated only by refutation and soupcons.  "Noumenal perception of
> the universals" conjures up some kind of spiritualism .

Your "it would seem" certainly doesn't make it so.  In particular, Bertrand
Russell, who most of the time maintained that we have direct acquaintance
with the universals, would most certainly disagree.  Read him, if you don't
want to read Plato.

ES:
>							  If everything
> that MZ maintains is .true. , what discursive and/or analytical path
> is left vis a vis "thought, consciousness, and reference"?  Is there
> only exegesis and transcendental mimesis, then?

Attention: il light of your being a hell of a lot funnier than Carlson, the
fact that your witty remarks aren't making any more sense than his turgid
excogitations is most disappointing.  You have but two choices: either go
completely gaga dada, or try to make a cursory effort to understand the
subject of this discussion before you write again...


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