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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:44:13 -0800
From: Bill Felton <bfelton@pop1.ibm.net>
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JDenmark wrote:
> 
> Hey Jan,
> Are you serious!!!!!
> I have never spoken to you or have had anything to do with your firm
> before....

My, my, just a tad defensive aren't we?
Jan didn't specify which of the two outfits he had had a bad
experience with -- how odd that you automatically assume it
was you/yours.

>Why would a placement/consulting firm deal with Bytesmiths? I
> would hope that you can give me and the readers of this group some details
> on the "very bad" experience you refer to.

I for one believe that it would be a very bad idea to do so --
at the least, it would be in poor taste.
At the worst, it would lead to attempts to bring those
other grand parasites of the economy, the lawyers, into the fray.
Hardly profitable, for those who actually produce.
 
> Vicon does one thing and one thing only...

Act as a parasite sucking revenue away from actual producers
into its own pockets, to the benefit of no one else.
Recruiters/headhunters are lowlife scum, at least insofar
as their job activities go.
A plague on all of you -- you DO NOT add value!

[snip]

> All this talk of "bad experiences" or "conspiracies with other recruiters"
> is ludicrous.

Hardly.  You are the only one who seems to think so, and there
is more than a slight whiff of self-interest and sanctimony about
it.

> Once again, I'll state that our reputation is one of the best in the
> industry. 

How nice.  But irrelevent.

>We have staffed candidates at Every Major Smalltalk Project
> (either directly or third party) in the US.

Unless you define "major smalltalk project" as those you have
provided staffing for, you lie.
Flat out, you lie.

> 
> I find it truly unprofessional on your part that you would attempt to
> malign another firm publically in this newsgroup. I suggest that you
> concentrate more on your own business and take less time trying to answer
> anonymous posts concerning mine.

Why bother?  It is no more possible to insult a headhunter/recruiter
than it is to insult a used car salesman or a politician.
You need us far more than we need you.
 
Bill Felton
consultant/trainer/developer

> --
> Jan Steinman at Bytesmiths wrote:
> 
> I can say that I have had a very bad experience with one of the two
> mentioned recruiters, so knowing there is a relationship is helpful to me,
> as I can now avoid the other!
> 
> : Jan Steinman <mailto:Jan@Bytesmiths.com>
> : Bytesmiths <http://www.bytesmiths.com>
> : Java, the elegant simplicity of C++ and the blazing speed of Smalltalk.
