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From: rmartin@rcmcon.com (Robert Martin)
Subject: Re: C+@ vs C++ Was C++ Productivity
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djohnson@tartarus.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>In article <1995Jan31.135658.8613@rcmcon.com> rmartin@rcmcon.com (Robert Martin) writes:
>> Yes, I think number 5 is the answer.  I think we could all discuss the
>> languages we like based upon their merits.  I think we could be
>> reasoning adults, and actually communicate about what matters instead
>> of slinging inuendo and insult.  I think we could read about new
>> languages, and try them, and perhaps improve them by our experiences.
>> I think we could vastly improve the quality of both the discussions on
>> the net, and the languages we discuss.  I think............NAHHHHHHH.

>That's sort of my original point.  Most (but not all!) C++ advocates
>I've run across don't like to do this objectively (no pun intended).
>Most of them appear to feel that C++ is the only language for all
>problems, and if they run across someone who isn't equally enamored
>they insist that the someone just hasn't had a close enough look
>at C++...

Most of the C++ users (I won't call them advocates) that I run into,
especially here on the net, are very aware of the limitations and
liabilities of using C++.  Although I am sure that C++ biggots must
exist, and I am sure that they can argue just as unreasonably as
anyone else, I have not found them to be in any larger proportion than
any other kind of biggot.  C++ does not foster biggotry.  Biggotry is
a human attribute.  The more C++ users there are, the more C++ biggots
there will be. 

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