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From: hubey@pegasus.montclair.edu (H. M. Hubey)
Subject: Re: Turkish and other Altaic languages
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aeulenbe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Alex Eulenberg) writes:

>In <rharmsen.305.00158DDC@knoware.nl> rharmsen@knoware.nl (Ruud Harmsen) writes:

>>Can anyone explain about Turkish and other Altaic languages, like those in 
>>Turkmenistan, Kazachstan, Azerbaidjan, Uzbekistan, etc.?

>EXTERNAL RELATIONS: While all the languages you refer to (Turkish, Turkmen,
>Kazakh, Azeri, Uzbek) are members of the Altaic family, they also are all
>members of the Turkic subgroup. Non-Turkic Altaic languages include
>Mongolian and some languages of Siberia (called Tungus). Some people 
>class Korean and Japanese as Altaic languages; this is still a matter of 
>debate among linguists.

>INTERNAL RELATIONS: Azeri is mutually intelligible with Turkish. In fact,
>Turks and Azeris consider themselves to be of the same nation, just under
>different states. Kazakh and Uzbek are also very close. 
	          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you sure about this?  Uzbek might be closer to Turkmen than
Kazakh. And Kazakh might be closer to Kirghiz than Uzbek.


There are some
>dialects of Kazakh that are very close to some dialects of Uzbek; 

Do you mean Uzbeks living in Kazakhstan?


>The Kazakhstan dialects are the most "Turkic" of the Turkic languages,
>meaning they have the fewest borrowings from Arabic and Persian, and
>retain a lot of the Proto-Turkic phonology, such as full vowel harmony and
>back consonants (q, gh, ng). 

Doesn't Uzbek have a lot of Farsi in it?

--

Regards, Mark

hubey@amiga.montclair.edu
