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From: ilyal@world.std.com (Ilya R Lapshin)
Subject: Re: The logic of "and" and "but"
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Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
References: <600434857wnr@shappski.demon.co.uk> <D4H6vo.JIK@world.std.com> <570510846wnr@shappski.demon.co.uk> <D4Msqr.2rG@actrix.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:22:20 GMT
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In article <D4Msqr.2rG@actrix.gen.nz>,
Paul J. Kriha <kriha_p@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>andre@shappski.demon.co.uk (Andre Shapps) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Russian has other exmples of redundancy/overlapping words with subtley
>>different shades. One that springs to mind is "tozhe"/"takzhe", meaining
>>also. The difference between these took me a while to grasp, but it
>>doesn't really matter if you are a beginner, because you'll never be
>>wrong using "tozhe".
>>
>>Examples: Ja anglichanin. On tozhe anglichanin
>>          I'm English. He's also English.
>>          Ja chitayu knigi. Ja takzhe chitayu gazeti.
>>          I read books. I also read newspapers.
>>
>>The second, while translating the same way, embodies an implication of
>>"and furthermore ...". I'm sure you could put this more formally for
>>me Joseph. Sounds like you know what you're talking about.
>
>I am trying to think of an example to show even more strongly
>the difference between "takzhe" and "tozhe".  Russian is not
>my native language and I learned it many years ago, takzhe
>I hope it's more or less correct:
>
>"Segonya u menya xoroshaya rabota. Takzhe u menya djengi."
>Today I have a good job. So, I have money.
>
>"Segonya u menya xoroshaya rabota. U menya tozhe djengi."
>Today I have a good job. Also, I have money.
>
>Paul JK

As a Native Speaker(tm) I state that the above two sentences are
not appropriate. More or less acceptable trnaslations would be:
Segodnya u menya xoroshaya rabota. Tak chto u menya yest' dyen'gi.
---------------------------------. I den'gi tozhe yest'.

IRL

