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From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Subject: Re: Software Leasing
Organization: The Armory
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 14:07:04 GMT
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In article <3gbrke$k0a@knot.queensu.ca>, Steve Gillen <steve@phy-server> wrote:
>Bert Robbins (brobbins@newbridge.com) wrote:
>: Richard Steven Walz (rstevew@armory.com) wrote:
>: : In article <3fjk9b$1q8@booz.bah.com>,  <pole@sartre.ads.com> wrote:
>: : >
>: : >In article <D2Lv28.JsB@armory.com>, <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
>: : >> Naw! This post above is just a commercialization of the net! He should have
>: : >> his butt kicked. If *I* need some software for a short time, *I* just STEAL
>: : >> it, and I recommend that others do too!!! You can just about find anything
>: : >> among my circle of friends!!!
>: : >> -Steve Walz  rstevew@armory.com
>: : >> 
>: : >
>: : >I find it amazing that you consider "commercialization of the net"
>: : >to be evil, and the person should be punished, but you recommend
>: : >robbery as a morally superior activity. When you steal software
>: : >you are not ripping off some mythical money manager, you are 
>: : >stealing the jobs of the engineers who should be paid for their
>: : >labors. Most of the cost of commercial software (that's stuff you're
>: : >..excuse me one is supposed to pay for) is in labor. Labor means
>: : >money paid to people.
>
>     <Huge amount Deleted>  too much bandwidth
>
>   I too find your argument (as well as many of your words) vulgar.  
>If you believe your viewpoint (and didn't just feel attacked) you
>should have no need for your flaming/swearing comments.  
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Any means in the battle for the right is Sacred. Speech of any kind is not
something any GOD worth worshipping would object to if it's for the right!!
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

>   While I agree that software should have some evaluation mechanism
>to guarantee its worth (I test drive a car before I buy) it does not
>justify theft.  The software writer/company has a right to charge as
>much as they please because they own it.  If priced too high they
>invite no sales or competition from other companies.  Are you 
>suggesting that if a product is priced too high you have the right to
>steal it?  Maybe if it was oxygen for survival I might entertain you.
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How about food? Then after that, how about the right to a job? Then after
that a right to a living wage! Then...  In other words, one man's luxury in
a pretechnical society is another man's necessity in the current world
order. Yes, I AM not only suggsting but DECLARING that it is right and even
HOLY and GOD BLESSED to steal things that are needed for equal opportunity
to life as others know it!!!
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

>   Your argument about the "Real World" sounds like you think that
>your not getting your fair share compared to someone who is dishonestly
>grabbing something.  It's juvenile to claim that you should do 
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Whether I was disadvantaged or not, I would help those who are to steal
what they need!
-Steve Walz  rstevew@armory.com

>something because everyone else does.  I tried that one with my parents
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I only claim that people have the right to the same opportunity that
everyone else does. The morality of an act is based on the result, nothing
more! A genuine good act has a genuinely good outcome. And therefore, the
genuine ends REALLY *DO* justify the GENUINE means!
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

>when I was 14.  Thank goodness they didn't fall for that one.
>   I await your intellegent, morally (sp?) founded, objectively 
>considered, rebuttal.
>
>    Steve Gillen (No where near perfect, but unwilling to sink any lower)     
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Those who obtain what they need for their equal opportunity do not sink low
and do not steal. What they do is protected by God in Heaven! And all of
them answer only to GOD, and so do the bastards who hinder them!
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

