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From: hougen@myria.cs.umn.edu (Dean Hougen)
Subject: Poll results - splitting comp.robotics
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Here is the complete set of votes I received in response to the poll I
conducted on the possible splitting of comp.robotics.  (For those who
did not see the poll, but would like a copy, please send me email and
I will send you a copy of the complete poll posting.)

If you participated in the poll you should have received a response
from me via email telling you that your vote had been received and
recorded.  While several responses to participants bounced on the
first try, there was only one person to whom I could not get a reply
through: Doron@doron.demon.co.uk.  Also, one participant voted quite
late (after the official close of the poll, but what the heck, I've
pointed it out and you can discount his votes if you like) and so a
reply to him may not have had time to bounce back to me yet.  He is:
Ben.Brown@IUS4.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU.

All participants should check to see that their vote is recorded
properly below.  All interested parties should double-check my math,
scan the list for bogus users, and read the comments included with the
votes below.  Basic statistics of the votes have been compiled and
posted following this message.

I do not have the time to offer commentary on the results or to take
any actions at this time.  Maybe I'll have time in a week.  Feel free
to take this opportunity not only to check over the data, but to start
commenting on what it may mean for the future of this group.


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From: ali@cat.rpi.edu (Michael Ali)

My vote is: I.B.1

--mike ali

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From: billc@l44c4-2.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Craver)

I.
B.
i.
1.

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From: Brian Yamauchi <yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu>

I.B.i.1

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From: long@robby.caltech.edu (Mark Long)

I.B.i.1

Retain original group for discussions such as "Does automation
take jobs away", etc.......

Mark Long

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From: bonitz@ece.ucdavis.edu (Robert G. Bonitz)

I.A.ii.2

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From: clov@iastate.edu (Chris Clover)

Request: I.B.iii.3

I'm not sure if I follow your notation exactly so I will say in words what I 
think I "encoded".

I think we should have a c.r.research group.  However, whether c.r. 
remains (as more of the "homebrew" group) or becomes c.r.homebrew I 
don't really care.  Probably the best is c.r. and c.r..research, but I wasn't 
sure if this corresponds to I and 3 or not????

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From: mcp@porter (Craig Presnell)

I.B.i.1

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From: Michael Cleary <cleary@ccs.neu.edu>

I.B.iii.1

I don't know if you've seen today's note from wscott@tam2000.tamu.edu (Wesley
Dane Scott) indicating that .research must be a moderated group per the
news.announce.newgroups moderator.  

I'm not volunteering as moderator of c.r.research

Mike

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From: Wesley Dane Scott <wscott@tam2000.tamu.edu>

I.C.iii.3

I believe from watching splits in other groups that if you get
rid of the original group you are required to create a *.misc group.

Also a *.research group must be moderated which I do not believe
the people who were proposing the [.homebrew, .research, .industrial]
split were aware of.  I discovered that by posting a RFD about 2 days
before you posted your poll.  See my post in comp.robotics titled
comp.robotics.research

I am going to leave the rest of this split up to someone else
unless someone jumps and says they want to moderate the research
group and asks me to work on the RFD/CFV.

wesley scott
wds2939@tam2000.tamu.edu
wscott@tam2000.tamu.edu   [temp for RFD purposes only]

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From: Brad_Nelson@IUS5.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU

I.B.i.3

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From: "steve (s.p.) holmes" <sherlock@bnr.ca>

I.B.iii.1

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From: mark.stephens@gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)

II.   The group should not be split.

mark

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From: mgmam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Morrell)

I.A.iii.1

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From: Peter Corke <pic@mlb.dmt.csiro.au>

I.C.iii.1

Comments:

I'm not sure if Comp.* is the place for the proposed group(s).  Since robotics
`theory' spans many disciplines it would perhaps be better to have the theory
in sci.robotics.  The hobby stuff should perhaps be rec.robotics.  I must have
dozed off when people were discussing comp.robotics.industrial, what was that
for?  I don't recall ever seeing anything that would fit in such a category.

I think comp.robotics should be kept for historical reasons.  

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Locked Bag 9, Preston, Australia. 3072 
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From: plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)

II.B.iii.2

   A convention when creating new newsgroups by adding another
hierarchical level to an existing newsgroup is to rename the
original top-level newsgroup to a *.misc name, e.g.
comp.robotics.misc.  Something to think about...

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From: chappy@cis.ksu.edu (Douglas R Chapman)

I.A.i.2

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From: Roger Barry Hertz <rbh@wolverine.utias.utoronto.ca>

I.B.ii.1

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From: Blake Hannaford <blake@isdl.washington.edu>

I.B.i.2

Blake Hannaford
University of Washington

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From: mcclary@alp061.alp.ford.com (Keith McClary)

Vote:

  II.C.ii.1

  (Don't split, split other, don't create c.r.industrial, retain c.r)

Discussion:

The group should not be split.  More emphasis should be placed into the
FAQ(s) and even autoposting a "FAQ Topics" doc (weekly, if necessary), 
containing:

   List of related FAQs
   General robotics FAQ table of contents list,
   "Where/how to get the FAQ(s)" pointers,
      and
   "How to use a kill file to stop seeing this list".

This should drop the bandwidth requirements for this group by about half.
Separate FAQ docs covering things like:
 "Interfacing Hobby Servos to Micros - theory and programming"
 "STAMPS and their Clones"
 "Available Hobby Robot Controller Boards (ie 6270/rug_warrior/68hc11EVB/etc)" 
 "Programming Languages for your Robot"
 "Using Motors - Steppers, AC, DC, and H-Bridges"
 "Sensors for your 'Bot"
 "BEAM, Sumo and other competitive Robot Olympics type events!"
 ...
should be considered as well and added to the FAQ Topics doc, as *most* of 
the discussion seems to center on one of a few main topics anyways.  A *lot*
could be done to reduce bandwidth this way.

If c.r is split anyways:

c.r should be split "some other way".  Namely, by adding c.r.research and 
leaving the rest alone.  

For years (IMHO), hobby robotics seems to be the main focus and major 
traffic item for this group, and killing that subject on the base group 
may be difficult (maybe not, though... who knows?).  Adding just a single
commercial type subgroup will give a single place for industrial/research 
types to be, which may be sufficient.

You may want to consider a homebrew/commercial split, with research and 
industrial topics lumped under commercial.  IMHO, that would be best.
In any case, we only need one research/industrial/commercial type group 
for now.  Don't create c.r.industrial if c.r.research is created, as it 
can be included there or in c.r.commercial until traffic warrants another 
split.

I work with industrial robotics in the automotive and product manufacturing 
industries.  Believe me, industrial robotics is still *very* much a "research" 
item for the most part, as every installation is unique and requires 
engineering for fixturing, gripper designs, etc.  "Drop in" robotics is not 
here, yet, so having both research and industrial doesn't make sense to me.

For a second choice from those offered, I would agree that split B 
(research/homebrew) would be preferrable, as the theory/practical implies 
mutual exclusivity, and would still mix too many people with different 
interests in the same groups.  You did not offer just homebrew/industrial.
I still feel that homebrew/commercial would be closer to reality, though.

In all cases, keep c.r as the main discussion group as there are always 
unique topics like the Dante expeditions that have shown to have a scope 
greater than either subgroup.  Also, it is difficult to really kill a group 
netwide, and it makes more sense to keep it rather than creating a new 
comp.robotics.d general discussion group.  Threads can start in the original
c.r for the unsure among us, then move off as the discussion warrants it.

Thanks for your efforts!

- Keith

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From: Jefferson Coelho <coelho@rabbit.cs.umass.edu>

I.B.iii.2

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From: pkempster@zoology.adelaide.edu.au
    
    II, A, i, 1
    
    
    Thank goodness someone is doing something about the proposal.  Good on 'yer.
    Phil.
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Adelaide.  5005                                         "Real men use EDLIN" 
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From: Sean Graves <sean@cs.tamu.edu>

I.B.i.2

Sean Graves
cs.tamu.edu

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From: Richard Steven Walz <rstevew@armory.com>

II. C. i. 1.      But this is not exact enough.

Your survey had a defect. Splitting is not a correct term. We can add
newsgroups or we can delete newsgroups. Nothing more. You did not offer
that sense of what we are doing as a choice. Mistake. We already HAVE
homebrew!! It's called c.r !! I am also in favor of the creation of
c.r.research. That was not an option by itself. Your methodology leaves
something to be desired, else it is agenda-ridden!
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

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From: michael@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Michael Stevens)

II

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From: AssurTech@aol.com

I.C.i.3.

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I.  We definitely need to split the group.

C.  I suggest:
    comp.robotics.academic (covers both .theory and .research)
    comp.robotics.homebrew
    comp.robotics.industrial

i.  Gotta have .industrial.  That's why I subscribe to comp.robotics.

3.  If we split correctly, there wouldn't be much of a need for
comp.robotics.
    But then again, we may need a place to post FAQs and for general
    discussion--like whether or not to split comp.robotics.

Thanks for conducting the poll,

Dwayne Perry, PE
Assurance Technologies, Inc.

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From: Michael Lang <mla@wolverine.utias.utoronto.ca>

I.A.i.3

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From: "jason almeter" <jla@cs.indiana.edu>

I.B.i.3

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From: tpd6908@yak.ca.boeing.com (Tom Dickens)

I.1

The new-sub-groups and Create comp.robotics.industrial are not don't cares,
  but are not-applicable based on I:don't split the group.

...Tom Dickens   tpd6908@yak.ca.boeing.com

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From: Dave Cooper <dave.cooper@pace.medtronic.com>

II. B. ii. 1.

David K Cooper
dc0001@medtronic.com

The views expressed herein are my own,
and do not represent the views of Medtronic Inc.

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From: Jane Mulligan <mulligan@cs.ubc.ca>

I.A.i.3

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From: Herman Bruyninckx <bruyninc@gobelijn.mech.kuleuven.ac.be>

I.B.iii.2

--
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Dept. Mechanical Engineering, Div. PMA   Tel: (32)-(0)16-286611 (ext. 2480)
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium  Fax: (32)-(0)16-222345
Celestijnenlaan 300B, B-3001 Heverlee

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From: acc@cee.hw.ac.uk (Andrew Clegg)

My response is :-

I.B.i.2

I - the group should be split
B - the group should be split into c.r.research and c.r.homebrew
i - create c.r.industrial
2 - remove comp.robotics

Andy Clegg________________________________________acc@cee.hw.ac.uk___

Ocean Systems Lab, Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering,
Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, EH14 4AS	  Tel : 031 451 3506
http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~acc/acc.html		  Fax : 031 451 3327
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From: simonpe@aifh.edinburgh.ac.uk

I.B.ii.2


Justifications in case you're interested:

I - Too much homebrew noise for good research discussion
B - Seems clearest split to me (and less austere than theory/practical)
ii - Not enough traffic for three groups
2 - Retaining c.r would just dilute the new groups

Cheers,

-- 
Simon Perkins                             simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk

Dept. of AI,
Edinburgh University.
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From: Phill Edwards <pre@Cs.Nott.AC.UK>

My vote:

I.B.iii.2

There is clearly a need to separate the research and
homebrew aspects.  Researchers haven't the time to
sift out articles which are relevent to them an hence
tend not to use the group.  Unless the split occurs
c.r will become purely homebrew and a tragic loss to
the cause of research collaboration.

Phill

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From: jvgorp@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Jurgen Van Gorp)

I.A.ii.1.

Kind Regards.
  Jurgen VAN GORP
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From: kenb@techarts.wa.com (Ken Birdwell)

II.B.ii.3

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From: Steve Blachman <sblachma@aoc.nrao.edu>

II.A.i.2

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From: CONNOLLY@wccf.mit.edu

My vote:  I.B.iii.1

>B.  The group should be split into:
>    comp.robotics.research
>    comp.robotics.homebrew
> 
>The original group:
> 
>1.  Retain comp.robotics

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From: RPC (Electronics Dept) <rpcelec@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>

I.C.i.1

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From: eww@grebble.oau.org (Eric Wampner)

I.B.i.3

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From: JOHANSSON@gemini.ldc.lu.se

Hi Dean,

Here is my $0.02..

II.D.iii.1


/Christer


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From: s9208275@rkw-lan.cs.up.ac.za (DU PREEZ WAJ MNR)

>Subject: POLL: splitting comp.robotics?
III.B.i.3

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From: maris@ifi.unizh.ch (Marinus Maris)

In article <CwGqqy.31r@news.cis.umn.edu>, you write:

about the poll:

Answer:  II.C.i.1

Good luck



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From: CCSU ROBOTICS LAB <AMES_SCA@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>

I.B.iii.3.

Short and sweet!

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From: obs@cs.Technion.AC.IL (Ohad Ben-Shahar)

II.B.ii.3

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From: Michel Pelletier <michel@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca>

I.B.iii.1

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Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec    
Varennes, Quebec, Canada   J3X 1S1
Tel: (514) 652-8940
Fax: (514) 652-1316
email: michel@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca  
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From: k3071e5@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Gerhard Bierleutgeb)

Hello Dean,

I will send you me answers to your questions about the splitting of comp.
robotics.

I.A.iii.1

Many thanks for organizing the poll,

Gerhard


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From: Johan.Forsberg@sm.luth.se

I.B.ii.2

: The poll:


: I.    The group should be split.
: B.  The group should be split into:
:     comp.robotics.research
:     comp.robotics.homebrew
: ii.   Don't create comp.robotics.industrial
: 2.  Remove comp.robotics

: Please send all responses to hougen@cs.umn.edu.  Posted responses
: will not be counted.  

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Johan Forsberg                         EMail: jf@sm.luth.se
Dept. of Robotics & Automation         Phone: +46 (920) 72237
Lulea University of Technology         Fax:   +46 (920) 72082
S-971 87 LULEA, SWEDEN

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From: Nick Jacobs <njacobs@access.digex.net>

II

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From: Ulf Trygve Tollefsen <ulfto@ifi.uio.no>

II. B. iii 3

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From: mike@l44db.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross)

II Don't split.

-- 
******************************** mike@l44db.jsc.nasa.gov ******
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From: rhowe@vantec.com (Rich Howe)

ICiii1

How about just c.r and c.r.research?

Rich Howe           |
VANTEC              |   Design and manufacture of Electronic Systems for  
460 Casa Real Pl.   |     remote control mobile robots and vehicles.
Nipomo, CA  93444   |
(805)929-5055       |

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From: Rungun Ramanathan <ramanath@axe.asel.udel.edu>

Hi,

My responses to the split of comp.robotics is as follows

I.B.i.2

rungun
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From: Video Display Systems Spa <MC5083@mclink.it>

II
A
ii
1

        
Andrea Mannucci

V.D.S.
Via Muzio Clementi 16
50127 Firenze ITALY
mc5083@mclink.it

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From: reeder.29@osu.edu (P. Douglas Reeder)

I.A.2

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From: Manfred Sever <mse@wolverine.utias.utoronto.ca>

I.C.i.2


With regard to option ``C'':
Split comp.robotics into:
comp.robotics.theory
comp.robotics.hardware (this is more descriptive than `practical')
comp.robotics.hobby  (OR comp.robotics.enthusiast)
comp.robotics.industrial

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From: scvalentine@amoco.com (Valentine Steve)

II.B.iii.2

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From: Fred G Martin <fredm@media.mit.edu>

Dean, I vote:

	II.   [no split]

Fred Martin
fredm@media.mit.edu
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From: bfox@liquid.ladc.lockheed.com (Bruce Fox (247210))

II

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From: J.W.H.Tangelder@IO.TUDelft.NL

I.
B.
i.
2.
Hans Tangelder
The Sculpturing Robot Project
Delft University of Technology
j.w.h.tangelder@io.tudelft.nl

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From: "Jonathan W. Mills" <jwmills@cs.indiana.edu>

In article <CwyyEK.GnA@news.cis.umn.edu> you write:
>
>The poll:

my vote is:


I.A.i.1


>
>
>To split or not to split?
>
>I.    The group should be split.
>

>
>The new sub-groups:
>
>A.  The group should be split into:
>    comp.robotics.theory
>    comp.robotics.practical
>        

>   
>Create comp.robotics.industrial?:
>
>i.    Create comp.robotics.industrial
>   

>
>
>The original group:
>
>1.  Retain comp.robotics
>

comment:

hopefully the split will encourage posts of significant problems in
robotics, and approaches to their solution.  a .theory faq including
references to seminal and recent work in the multi-disciplinary topics
that span robotics would be a real service, especially as builders
move on to making their machines -do- something.

-jonathan

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From: roger034@gold.tc.umn.edu

II.

Don't split it!

Anything happening in robots over there these days?

Brynn


-- 
             Brynn Rogers                      roger034@gold.tc.umn.edu
----  Save the internet - keep the toll bridges out               
Autonomous robots get my interest.     Embedded systems pay my mortgage.

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From: Greg Preston <gap@Cybernetics.NET>

I.B.ii.2.

Even though I'm not geared for it, I want to read more theoretical 
articles.  Therefore, comp.robotics.research is what's needed.

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From: Todd Wittman Sharpe <sharpe@mecad.uta.edu>

I.B.iii.1

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From: Doron@doron.demon.co.uk (Doron Helfman)

I.
A.
i.
1.
 
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From: johndavid yoder <jyoder@cslewis.helios.nd.edu>

I think it should not be split , so all other responses are Not
Applicable.

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From: "FRANK MEYER" <MEYER@evax5.gdc.com>

I.B.iii.3

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From: Daniel Rey  <dan@cim.mcgill.ca>

1, A, ii, 2
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Daniel A. Rey 
Centre for Intelligent Machines
McGill University, 3480 University St 
Montreal, PQ, CANADA  H3A 2A7
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From: Ben.Brown@IUS4.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU

The poll:


To split or not to split?

II.   The group should not be split.


(If we split, cross-postings will be high.)

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Dean Hougen
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"Never seem to find the time."  - Pink Floyd
