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From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Subject: Re: Split c.r? What are the facts?
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 15:06:10 GMT
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In article <Cw3s6E.JFL@news.cis.umn.edu>,
Dean Hougen <hougen@milli.cs.umn.edu> wrote:
>In article <3547s7$md9@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@lager.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
>>   Right there is the reason many news.groupies don't buy the "if
>>you build it, they will come" philosophy.  The reasoning goes that
>>if there are all these people here right now saying there should
>>be a research group which they would post to, why aren't they
>>posting?  The argument that they won't get responses may indicate
>>lack of interest then, rather than lack of researchers (since we
>>know they're there), 
>
>The response, however, is that a lack of posting does *not* reflect
>a lack of interest.  It reflects the fact that the potential posters
>have examined the group and determined that it does not cover the
>area that they are interesting in seeing covered.  I don't post my
>robotics questions to sci.bio.herp, because I know the people there
>are unlikely to have the answers or be interested in my questions.
>That is the same reason I don't post my questions here.  Nonetheless,
>I *am* interested in having a robotics group to which I could post
>questions and have a reasonable chance of getting a response, its
>just that I've determined that this group isn't it.
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If you sign up for a class on reptiles, I wouldn't wonder at being asked to
check out sci.bio.herp, ok? If you have anything to say about robotics and
computers as related to them, then I would imagine you go to c.r ! And the
reason you claim you can't post a question and get a response is that all
the other weenies like you have done what YOU'VE done!!! In other words,
you represent a group of people who generally have their head up their
asses about this and who are indulging in self-fulfilling prophesy!!! Do
you REALLY imagine that many of us won't see you over on some c.r.weenie
group and ask some questions, in fact maybe a HELL of a lot of questions
that you will simply have to sort through over there!??? THINK ABOUT IT!!!
WE WILL BE THERE TOO!!! And then you'll have to go stick your head back in
your asshole again!
-Steve Walz

>>in which case a research group isn't justified.
>
>Of course, the old justification argument, which completely misses
>the point that an additional newsgroup isn't really a problem for
>anyone, so no justification is needed.
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No, I don't mind another newsgroup. But leave c.r. the fuck alone, as it is
the base group as sci.electronics is their base group. But just remember,
no matter what you call your group, if there are things that are
interesting there, somebody is liable to want to ask something of the
hot-shit weenies fresh out of their own assholes about this stuff!! YOUR
problem is that you only wish to BE informed and not to help inform OTHERS!
People like you wind up in smaller and smaller groups till they are alone!
That's because you want to take and take and not give! People who have not
figured out that the world is a MUTUAL hallucination haven't really grasped
hold of the purpose for such a thing as the net!!! We know that you would
like a world that would simply educate you ever more in vacuo off of CD-ROM
libraries in caverns unmapped by man. But just remember, shithead, that
somebody has to want to write and compose all that data, and if they are
all like you, they wouldn't go out of their way!!!!
-Steve Walz 

>>In my view, a lot of the complaints of the
>>researchers would go away if the not-specifically-robotics-related
>>electronics postings would go elsewhere.  
>
>Perhaps, but short of moderation I don't know how you'd accomplish
>this.
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And that will be true of any new group formed that is interesting. So
either you had better make sure it's NOT interesting to anyone, or be
prepared to face the same thing as in c.r !!!!
-Steve Walz

>>Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
>
>Dean Hougen
>--
>"The news groups are not concerned with what there is to be learned."
>    - the Clash
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On the contrary to your quote; the newsgroups are begging for people
willing to teach effectively and inhabited at the upper eschelons by grad
students/PhuD's who couldn't be bothered with real teaching! Those who
gather and organize information for the many are few among the capable!
These are the snobs who each want a newsgroup of their own to learn from
and never teach.
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

