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From: jordan@cruzio.com (Jordan Bortz)
Subject: Re: ParcPlace dumps OS/2, VSE, AND Jigsaw, and MAC!!!
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Ok Eric some lies from you:
 
{Clayberg Wrote}
I can guaranty you with absolute certainty that PP-D does not plan to
discontinue Smalltalk (it represents a $30-40 million a year business
for the company). For the record, I should point out that PP-D has had
a
Java product on the market for several months now already. Given the
current excitement around the Java language and PP-D's technology
expertise, it would be crazy for the company not to explore additional
Java language opportunities. 
 

Also saying there head been "No Change" in sales when in fact there
had been a 40% drop was also a total falsehood.

Also your tripe about my not paying for the lackluster "WindowBuilder"
Eval, thats because it didn't meet the requirements and I didnt go
forward with any kind of Digitalk based software.  As per not
"returning" the software, thats because I couldnt find every last
piece of paper that were with the package, tho I volunteered at the
time to happily pay for the packaging, so get your facts striaght!

As per not "returning" your calls -- I got bored havingg to justify
what it was that I didnt like about the product -- another bit of
dishonesty -- where you promised an "eval" but when folks have
legitimate complaints, you still don't want to stand up to what you
had agreed to and return their money!!! ...

What a surprise!!
Please...get a life...I gave customers $3500 eval copies of Tigre, and
never called the ones who chose not to purchase a "deadbeat" -- you
are way out of line and have yet to respond to the specific
allegations I have made where I feel you have been completely
untruthful -- instead you try to slander me with random tripe...guess
thats all you have to work with!!!

No wonder you work for PP-D -- a company stocked with arrogant and
mediocre individuals, where most talented people would rue working.
You *must* enjoy the enviornment there eh??

	Jordan


Eric Clayberg <clayberg@parcplace.com> wrote:

>Jordan Bortz wrote:
> 
>> I understand what you folks are saying, however, I have to stand by my
>> previous assertion that he should have said nothing, not someting
>> misleading...But you folks are entitled to your opinions as to whether
>> you felt it was misleading or not.

>Jeez, Jordan, what did I ever say that was intentionally (or even
>unintentionally) misleading? In the one or two cases that it seemed to
>me that someone had misinterpreted something I said, I immediately
>jumped back in to correct the misconception.

>Heck, even the one comment I made about exciting news was as an aside to
>Ron Jeffries (a friend of mine) and in a thread unrelated to ParcPlace.
>It certainly was not misleading in any way. At the time I said that to
>Ron, I was referring to my plans for the future (which are still
>pending, so I still don't have anything to report yet) but I could just
>have easily been referring to the impending birth of my first child. The
>exact quote is reproduced below:

>>I have been unbelievably busy recently and will (hopefully) have some
>>very exciting news to report soon.

>To accuse me of being misleading or even worse of being a liar is quite
>a stretch IMO.

>Ya know, you really had me scratching my head as to what I could ever
>have done to offend you, so I had the folks at ObjectShare run a check
>and look you up. Sure enough, there you were on the ObjectShare
>"deadbeat" list (that was the name of the list and in no way implies
>anything about you). Do you remember that unpaid bill from Aug. 93 for
>$412.53. You said you wanted to return the product, but we never
>received it and you never responded to our calls or letters. Are you
>still mad at me because ObjectShare hounded you to get its money back? I
>also suspect that you're still mad at ParcPlace for building VisualWorks
>and not licensing Tigre from you (something I had nothing to do with, I
>assure you).

>-Eric


