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From: jordan@cruzio.com (Jordan Bortz)
Subject: Re: Goodbye ParcPlace
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Well, my feeling is that the "other" Smalltalks 
(Digitalk nee Visual Smalltalk), VisualAge, all have their
own problems, apart from the fact that the support native widgets.

For one, I think that the  Parts  paradigm is a joke, because it 
breaks down when you have lots of widgets on the screen, but thats
what WindowBuilder is all about...but the thread was re ParcPlace not
Smalltalk MT et al.

I guess if your thought is that the future of Smalltalk lies outside
of  ParcPlace, I guess that may well be true!

But I don't think that any of the Smalltalks have captured the popular
imagination like PowerBuilder, Visual Basic, or Java have, which is a
damn (and preventable) shame.
	Jordan

PS FWIW, Just because *I* feel that Smalltalk is not growing and may
be shrinking doesnt mean that *I* am not busy nor that I dont get tons
of calls every day from recruiters.  I don't want to brag, but given
my background and length of time doing this, I am very well known and
well sought after.

How much I am sought after is not indicative of the general market,
nor is the fact that consultants are sought after in general
indicative of a growing market... Due to high employee turnover,
companies are frequently looking for consultants to replace employees
(or consultants) who just left... Just because employees or
consultants jump from shop to shop does not mean that the number of
shops is growing...
Just that the players are playing musical chairs.

	Jordan

Dan Goldman <dgoldman@smalltalk.com> wrote:

>Eric Clayberg wrote:
>> 
>> all of the other commercially
>> available Smalltalk dialects (e.g., VisualSmalltalk, VisualAge,
>> Smalltalk MT, Dolphin, Object Studio, etc.) use native widgets (and
>> provide ODBC drivers as well). VisualSmalltalk, for example, is even
>> fully Windows 95 logo certified (as may be some of the other dialects).
>> 

>Right.  I think Jordan may have a certain amount of tunnel vision, being
>exposed solely to VisualWorks.  VisualSmalltalk has been way ahead of
>the curve with providing many of these features (particularly native
>widgets).  The others played catchup, but did get there.

>...dan



