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From: rfenney@netcom.com (Robert J. Fenney)
Subject: Re: Java vs. Smalltalk vs. C++ vs. OO COBOL
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:15:52 GMT
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You don't need to buy a copy of VisualWorks, all you should need is a
dropin  for Netscape that has the VM just like Java. You are still going
to have to buy the development environment, and I do agree that the
Smalltalk development environments are way to expensive.

Robert

In article <DtMKFK.4EJ@world.std.com>, moresys@world.std.com (More Systems
Employee) wrote:

> In article <4qrjrl$e7s@piglet.cc.uic.edu>, jkratz@rummy.aiss.uic.edu says...
> >
> >dave000@ibm.net wrote:
> >>Quite honestly, I'm waiting for VisualAge Java to appear and then all
the C++
> >>and Smalltalk stuff is gone from our company. A java application can
run on any
> >>platform where a java viewer is present. No more "cross platform" coding
> >>concerns, etc. True "data independence" for the developer and user. No more
> >>deciding to work with Mr. Bill, Scott or Lou's environment, just code
and go.
> >
> >>Dave
> >
> >Dave -
> >
> >Quite honestly I think youre nuts :)  Smalltalk is a far superior
> >language to Java.  Unfortunately the only problem is the
> >platform-dependence.  If it were "platform-independent" like Java it
> >would blow java out of the water.
> >
> >Jason
> 
> Quite honestly, I think Smalltalk would also need to be FREE to
> really compete with Java. ParcPlace VisualWorks is the best 
> programming environment I have ever seen, but I don't own a
> copy, and never expect to. Why? It's not because it lacks any 
> features I need. It's not because it doesn't run on my hardware. 
> It's not because I wouldn't love to have it. It's because 
> I CAN'T AFFORD IT. Hell, my COMPANY can't afford it. And as
> for writing applets, not even Bill Gates couldn't afford to
> buy a VisualWorks runtime license for every web browser
> on the internet.
> 
> Java isn't as nifty, but it is free, so it's price/performance 
> ratio is infinitely superior. That is why Java will succeed where
> Smalltalk has failed, not platform independance.
> 
> -Eugene
