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From: rfenney@netcom.com (Robert J. Fenney)
Subject: Re: Frameworks (Was: Re: Help: Portin Enfin application to VA)
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 18:03:12 GMT
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A Base level to build from. This is the same as having an ANSII standard
C++. What most people don't realize is that the language is not were the
learning curve is (C++ excepted) it is in the framework, framelets, and
the design tools.

Robert

In article <KAPP-0906961624590001@131.152.61.105>, KAPP@UBACLU.UNIBAS.CH
(Andreas Ch. Kapp) wrote:

> In article <31B97F60.2CC@ccm.hf.intel.com>, Patrick Logan
> <patrick_d_logan@ccm.hf.intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > Andreas Ch. Kapp wrote:
> > > 
> > > So it seems that porting frameworks isn't a good idea. Even if
> > > both VA and Enfin are based on the infromal standard of the blue book.
> > > Can there be a standard between frameworks?
> > 
> > It sounds like Enfin was not based on the blue book as much as the
> > other major Smalltalk dialects are.
> > 
> > And now there is the draft ANSI standard to help.
> 
> If you compare Enfin to 
> 
> 'Smalltalk Portability: A common Base' by Lorimer, Neumann, DeNatale, Shan
> ('The Red Book') IBM International Technical Support Centers, GG24-3903,
> 1992
> 
> (what I did) you will find that about 95% of the 'standard' Blue Book
> methods are supported by Enfin. The Red Book covers the Objects 
>    Object
>    Class
>    Boolean
>    Block
>    Numbers
>    Character
>    Collection (Enfin Arrays can grow)
>    Association
>    Stream (Enfin supports only String, Char and Byte here)
>    Point
>    Rectangle (Enfin ist weak here)
> that is most of the common language data types of VA, VW and VSE.
> 
> So, here is my question again:
> 
> What is it worth having an (ANSI) standard, when the code you want to port
> relies on a particular  Smalltalk-frameworks?
> 
> Andy.
> 
> -- 
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