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From: davis@ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Subject: Re: Lisp considered too hard
In-Reply-To: mw@ipx2.rz.uni-mannheim.de's message of 9 Jul 1995 09:43:19 GMT
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Date: 12 Jul 1995 08:55:06 GMT


In article <3to8bn$1t5@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> mw@ipx2.rz.uni-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz) writes:

   HStearns (hstearns@aol.com) wrote:
   > Many people look
   > at the entire contents of the ANSI standard as being the "core" language. 
   > Can you shed any light on why this perception exists, and what Lisp
   > providers and educators might do to let users just learn the fundamentals
   > and go have fun?

   I think EuLisp provides some good hints about this: Structure the
   language into levels and libraries, such that lower levels and
   non-library aspects, was well as the separate libraries, can be
   learned mostly in isolation, but of course in design consider the
   seamless interaction of those pieces. For more information about
   EuLisp, look at "ftp://ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/eulisp".  (Btw, does
   anyone have information about the progress of EuLisp? Since 93,
   there's version 0.99 of the language definition on that server.)

EuLisp itself has not undergone very much evolution since 93.  (Some,
but not much.)  The EuLisp committee no longer has EEC financing and
so work has slowed down.  The good news is that implementation work
continues.  Julian Padget's group at the University of Bath is still
working on FEEL, the public domain implementation of EuLisp, and Ilog
is, of course, still doing Ilog Talk, our implementation of the
proposed ISO Lisp standard with many EuLisp-based extensions.  For
information on Ilog Talk, please contact info@ilog.com or visit our
Web server at <URL:http://www.ilog.com/>.

-- Harley Davis 
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