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From: jqb@netcom.com (Jim Balter)
Subject: Re: FIRST order?
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In article <3ul7s7$je7@saba.info.ucla.edu>,
Michael Zeleny <zeleny@oak.math.ucla.edu> wrote:
>jqb@netcom.com (Jim Balter) writes:
>>Aaron Sloman <A.Sloman@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>I should add that I am surprised that so sophisticated a thinker as
>>>Michael believes that introspection can be a reliable source of
>>>generalisations about the nature of our minds. It's just another
>>>form of perception, and no more trustworthy as a source of
>>>generalisations than any other form of perception: i.e. tomorrow a
>>>counter-example may appear.
>
>>Yes, it is puzzling that ideology can have such a powerful grip, isn't it?
>>But unlike Zeleny and Wiener, neither you nor I make the mistake of thinking
>>that those who appear to believe things contrary to the most trivial
>>observations and logic are thereby stupid, retarded, or morons.
>
>Before you get carried away by a paroxysm of unwarranted self-congratulation,
>allow me to point out that the key difference between you and Aaron is that
>he makes an honest effort to develop a substantive, if often erroneous point,
>instead of getting permanently mired in the bog of sordid self-pity.

Ad hominem, non sequitur, and false.

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<J Q B>

