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From: jqb@netcom.com (Jim Balter)
Subject: Re: Thought Question
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In article <1995Jan19.060823.19335@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
Greg Stevens <stevens@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> wrote:
>In <3fcp55$2if@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> prem@ix.netcom.com (Prem Sobel) writes:
>>In <1995Jan15.225423.23577@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
>>stevens@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Greg Stevens) writes: 
>>>In <3fbdcb$44t@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> prem@ix.netcom.com (Prem Sobel) 
>
>>>>All who have taken the time and care to learn about consciousness, to
>>>>study it through the means appropriate to it have discovered, or 
>>>>rather verified, that there are sources of knowing beyond the physical.
>>>>
>>>>Creativity itself is one example. 
>
>>>Well, it's physical, just not experiential -- innate heuristic 
>>>knowledge.
>
>>Mozart's musical creativity is innate huh? 
>
>Are you saying it is learned?  I would guess that when it comes to musical
>talent, and other talents, tequnique is learned and ability is inborn,
>though the two are often confused because of the presence of over-learned
>people with no talent surpassing under-practiced people with great amounts
>of talent.

What is your basis for making this guess?

>>The ability to
>>dream the future is innate (yup :) but not physically).
>
>This leaps into a whole other bed of contraversy.  I do not disbelieve
>such things, but I do not try to fit them into my personal theoretical
>structure because I am woefully inexperienced in such matters and couldn't
>make an informed conclusion.  It would be like a physicist trying to
>predict economics.  

Actually, there is a big market for physicists on Wall Street these days.
Wall Street figured out that they wanted talented analysts familiar with
complex systems, particularly chaotic ones, and physicists figured out that
they wanted money.  Ron Unz (ran recently against Pete Wilson in the California
Republican gubernatorial primary) is a particularly well-known example.
-- 
<J Q B>
