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From: Martyn=Jones%Suppliers%HQIM=Mun@bangate.compaq.com
Subject: Re: Re: Roger Penrose's new book
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Hi,

Look Penrose just wants to sell books i.e. make loadsa money from writing.
When his first book came out with all the hype in the quality press I thought
then that it had a lot in common with the books about the Charles and Diana
affair, or many articles in the Hello magazine.

Penrose has jumped on a bandwagon at rather a strange moment,
my only suprise is that his books have been given so much attention,
considering what he has written about has been said before. He is exploiting
borrowed themes to fatten his bank account - this is the single, most glaring
theme running through the whole darn thing.

Martyn - Munich
ex. Unisys European Centre for AI

p.s. If I didn't know any better I would say that Penrose is a pen name of
Sir Clive Sinclair or er .. Mr Feigenbaum.


>In article <38no1o$121@nic.scruz.net>, will@news.scruz.net. (will) writes:
>|> I'm surprised that a group with so many doctorates, grad students and
>|> scientist could be so liberal in bashing a peer without substantiation.
>|> I've yet to see one comprehensive review of the book which outline why
>|> Penrose's book is
>|> 
>|> "a load of unsubstantiated crap".
>|> 
>|> "the chump's new book is called "Shadows of the Mind"
>|> 
>|> Other mindless comments have been ample. 
>|> 
>|> If you know of a good review (postive or negative) please let me know.
>|> 
>|> Thank you.
>
>Hi Will
>
>Hmmmmm. Well scientific journals have a peer review procedure. 
>I have yet to see a paper by Penrose in a reputable AI journal on 
>the subjects he is so supposedly expert that he publishes 2 books 
>on. Have you ? Has anyone ? I'd sure appreciate a pointer to 
>such papers to broaden my horizons since I would certainly not 
>like to be considered unfair to a person through not having read 
>their seminal works on AI in reputable journals. Please post again 
>and tell me of his journal papers on the subject and I will eat 
>my words - "a load of unsubstantiated crap". For some reason
>"Cold Fusion" comes to mind :-) but they did publish in Nature.
>I also did post here and point out exactly why I thought his earlier
>book was "a load of unsubstantiated crap" having also talked to my
>colleagues in the Mathematics dept. to clarify various points.
>So please, please post the bibliography I am missing or I suggest 
>it would be wise for you to be less abusive in your own comments 
>such as "mindless comments", Penrose as peer >>shudders<<.
>
>	adios
>		Ata <(|)>.
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