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>From: tim@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Roberts)
Subject: Re: Brain and Mind (quantum consciousness)
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sparky@wixer.cactus.org (Timothy Sheridan) writes:

>In article <tim.719968383@giaeb> tim@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Roberts) write
>s:
>>avl0@cine88.cineca.it writes:
>>
>>>In article <tim.719734846@giaeb> tim@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Roberts) sai
>d:

(lots of stuff omitted)

>>This is clearly nonsense.  The speed only arises out of the assembling of all
>>of the parts together - the individual parts have no speed whatsoever, just as
>>an individual neuron has no consciousness.  It is ridiculous to think you can
>>apply terms relating to high-level concepts to their individual parts.    You
>>just can't.

>Actualy one can look at scaler properties of anything and so say there is a
>certon amount of X in Y but I also think that the meaning of consciousness is
>lost in the scaler form.

>Each atom in the Ferrari must function slightly diferently in its ferrariness
>and so the steering wheel does have a given quantity of F-ness but also has a
>unique systematic F-ness.  These would be expressed in a vector quantity.

>Some of the properties of the parts of a Ferrari will apply to all its
>physical parts and others will representindividual properties.  Perhaps the
>motor oil will lack "swankness" or the tires would lack "sliperyness".
>But each part will have mass/energy.

>It is not the raw mass energy but the synergistic aglomeration of
>interrelations that is thus the thing that we call a ferrari /s

I don't disagree....I must remember your phraseology when I next call in the
car dealer's....I wonder if he'd sell me "a synergistic aglomeration of
interrelations" cheaper than a Ferrari ?  Hmmm, might be worth a try....

Tim



