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>From: dlh@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Dominik Lukes)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: penrose
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Date: 22 May 92 09:54:57 GMT
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In article <1992May19.154746.20944@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:
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>One might wonder (at least I have) why Hilbert's program failed...
>Why did it fail?  Did it really fail?  Why did he propose his program in
>the first place, if he did not suspect that it could work?  Then Godel
>showed it to be wrong.  What was wrong with it?  It could not escape itself.
>You don't need magic or oracles or anything else to escape yourself.  You
>do need to have powers greater than a Turing machine.
>
>So now here is a partial solution through questions:
>
>What was it Hilbert *really* wanted to achieve?
>Why did he set up this impossible goal, surely he would have realized it
>was impossible, for he was a smart dude, unless there was something else
>nagging him....

I think that it must have been something like seeking hidden order.
Quite unconsciously I mean. Just look,"unified" mathematics with one
general algorithm( if it is what you had in mind) is really more
ordered than the incomplete one, and therefore more pleasing to many.
But there are some(thousands of ? maybe), Penrose perhaps, who do think
that even the incomplete one is nice enough, and maybe more natural.
Who knows?
Yours sincere & faithfull,
Dominik.
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