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>From: pindor@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor)
Subject: Re: The Systems Reply I
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.222538.7694@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Keywords: syntax vs. semantics
Organization: UTCS Public Access
References: <44765@dime.cs.umass.edu> <6422@skye.ed.ac.uk> <45020@dime.cs.umass.edu> <6430@skye.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 22:25:38 GMT

In article <6430@skye.ed.ac.uk> jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes:
>In article <45020@dime.cs.umass.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
.........
>
>>	If you feel such discrimination is not a type of primitive
>>meaning, perhaps you should sketch the key requirements of what constitutes
>>a meaningful symbol in your theory of meaning.
>
>I don't have a theory of meaning and, as always, I reject the
>suggestion that the burden of proof should be on the "anti-AI"
>side to provide definitions.
>
>On the other hand, if you can show that there is a widely accepted
>theory of meaning according to which such discrimination counts as
>meaning, I'd be interested in knowing more about it.
>
If you can show that there is a widely accepted theory of meaning according to
which such discrimination does NOT count as meaning, I'd be interested in 
knowing more about it.
>
...........
>Consider two cases.  1. You understand geometry.  2. You don't,
>but someone has given you a set if rules for answering geometry
>questions.  Now in 2 some one of the people involve understands
>geometry, but it's not you.
>
>There's a difference between being taught geometry and being taught
>some way to fake it.  If you want to say they're the same, you should
>at least produce an argument.
>
If in both cases the same questions would be answered the same way, this might
constitute an argument that they are the same. Now, can you produce an
argument that they are not?

>-- jd


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