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>From: zirdum@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Antun Zirdum)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Monkey Room
Message-ID: <1992Mar11.233445.28625@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Date: 11 Mar 92 23:34:45 GMT
References: <1992Mar9.175416.8708@psych.toronto.edu> <1992Mar10.014527.16007@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1992Mar11.162413.15188@psych.toronto.edu>
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In article <1992Mar11.162413.15188@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>>The key ($64K) question is does it pass the turing test?
>
>No, the key question is whether or not the Turing Test is an adequate
>test for intelligence.  To *define* intelligence by ability to pass the
>Turing Test leaves the notion of intelligence empty.  Surely you
>believe that there is something called "intelligence" (or "understanding")
>which actually exists, independent of whether or not an entity which
>actually possess such qualities passes the Turing Test? 

Well, I'll have you know I read the above and almost swore.
I seem to be arguing the same things over and over again, as
soon as one person is leave another comes to fill the void.
But I digress, Sorry. If intelligence is not the ability
to solve problems, and act as if understood, and DO INTELLIGENT
THINGS, then what the (explitive deleted) is it????
Further, I do not believe there is something called intelligence,
*it* is a collection of actions, and cannot exist apart from the
entity that creates it!

If you meant to say that the Turing test does not prove consciousness
that is a whole new bowl of worms, and I would aggree up to a point!
(since I cannot prove that you are conscious)
>
>I am willing to grant that the Turing Test is an excellent practical screen
>for finding entities which are intelligent.  However, *no one*, apart from
>yourself, seems to believe that it is infallible.
>
>- michael
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