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>From: sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Soren Harder)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Grounding: Virtual vs. Real
Message-ID: <9625@scott.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 1 Jun 92 18:10:53 GMT
References: <9597@scott.ed.ac.uk> <1992Jun1.014731.28528@mp.cs.niu.edu> <614@trwacs.fp.trw.com> <1992Jun1.120457.28281@mp.cs.niu.edu>
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rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:

>In article <614@trwacs.fp.trw.com> erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes:
>>>the intelligence is not in the transducers, so it must be in what is
>>left.
>>
>>I don't think this has been demonstrated. If the sensory organs do
>>sufficiently complex processing, the possibility remains that intelligence
>>is distributed between them and the brain.

>  I would argue that once you add "sufficiently complex processing" to
>the transducer, it is no longer a transducer.  I didn't see anything
>in Harnad's postings that would suggest he was doing this.  Otherwise I
>would have said he was begging the question.

I think he does (suggest this, that is). But it is an analog
processing. I believe this makes it a transducer. It takes in analog
'data' and produces 'data' of another form (i.e. it needs not be
digital) and all of the processing is analog. At least when he says
'I am a transducer'; this is definitely 'sufficient complex processing'.

I had understood your earlier posts not as denying that transduction
had to take place, but saying that this transduction was trivial. I
don't think you can get around transduction in the trivial sense; that
the data from the world 'outside' has to be put 'inside' the
intelligence in a form that it can process.

Soren

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Soren Harder, (MSc student)
Centre for Cognitive Science, 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh
E-mail: sharder@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
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