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>From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Intelligence Testing
Message-ID: <1992Jan28.152311.30787@mp.cs.niu.edu>
Date: 28 Jan 92 15:23:11 GMT
References: <11980@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Northern Illinois University
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In article <11980@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
>In article  <1992Jan27.225454.1257@mp.cs.niu.edu> Neil Rickert writes:
>] I agree this falls far short of a validation of the Turing Test.  But it
>]is somewhat premature to call it "failed and groundless".  Unless, of course,
>]you have a totally closed mind.
>
>Yes, I guess I do.  What open-minded person would be so contentiously
>unwilling to accept appearence as substance?  And how can I be so

 I guess you still don't understand.

 Closed minded: "Machines can't be intelligent, because they can't understand,
		 because syntax can't produce semantics, etc, etc,
		 and the Turing Test is therefore failed and groundless."

 Open minded but skeptical:   "I am highly doubtful that machines can ever
		 be truly intelligent.  But show me a machine that passes
		 the Turing Test, and I will review my judgement at that
		 time.  Be warned, I will not accept a machine as intelligent
		 if it uses some method I would consider cheating.  And the
		 methods used by Eliza, by current day expert systems, and
		 by brute force exhaustive search approaches are all cheating
		 as far as I am concerned."


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  Neil W. Rickert, Computer Science               <rickert@cs.niu.edu>
  Northern Illinois Univ.
  DeKalb, IL 60115                                   +1-815-753-6940


