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>From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Intelligence Testing
Message-ID: <1992Jan27.231359.28438@mp.cs.niu.edu>
Date: 27 Jan 92 23:13:59 GMT
References: <11962@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Northern Illinois University
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In article <11962@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman) writes:
>In article  <1992Jan27.060945.27989@mp.cs.niu.edu> Neil Rickert writes:

>] There is a very big difference between
>]	(a) reading an instrument
>]and 
>]	(b) reading an instrument which is measuring yourself.
>
>I take it that you are not claiming that, for example, measuring my
>own blood pressure is different in principle from measuring someone
>else's.  What can you mean then?  Do you mean that any observation

  I AM claiming that measuring your own blood pressure is different from
measuring someone else's.  I believe that the majority of physicians
would agree with that.  There is a considerable degree of judgement
involved at deciding the exact moment to read the gauge, and the biases
of self measurement can indeed result in bias.

>On the contrary, you are cordially invited to undertake the
>observation on yourself to determine your own consciousness.  If

  Observing myself to determine my own consciousness does not tell me about
your consciousness.  Similarly measuring my blood pressure does not tell
me anything about your blood pressure.

>] I guess you don't understand mathematics!
>
>Well, one of us doesn't understand mathematics.  Or science for that
>matter.

  Aw shucks!  I've been found out.  I guess I'll have to turn in my Ph.D.  Come
to think of it, I will have to recall the Ph.D. of several others for whom I
served as thesis advisor.

>]Either that, or your usage of
>]"introspection" is different from everyone else's.  Mathematics is based
>]on proofs which are independently verifiable by others.
>
>I hate to sound elitist, but you clearly have no idea what you are
>talking about.  And I don't have the time to educate you, especially

 Well, I admit it is a disappointment after all these years to discover
that independently verifiable proofs have nothing to do with mathematics.

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  Neil W. Rickert, Computer Science               <rickert@cs.niu.edu>
  Northern Illinois Univ.
  DeKalb, IL 60115                                   +1-815-753-6940


